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[profii]

This will be a glorious game.

VOTE: EspressoJet

I dont like covfefe very much.

[profii]

I am familiar with some. I am reluctant to play with one person but I have been jonesing to play so i'll deal with it.

I'd suggest keeping that to yourself at the risk of vaguely trying to pique everyones interest as to the gossipy tidbit of who that might be, thus creating a 'thing' unecessarily.

Unless, of course, you are trying to create 'a thing'

[profii]

For those of you who don't know me, Hello I'm BEF, you will probably scum read me early on and want to lynch me. Please don't.

Scum probably won't NK me (if they know how I am) and will leave me for a mislynch or lylo stuff.

Please just let me do my thing.

Please

I've retyped how I want to deal with this post about 3 times. So I am just going to say it all in an unfiltered fashion

"please dont" = I dont want to die = I'm either scum or a PR
"scum probably wont NK me" = I am scum so obviously HOWEVER I do know you a bit and I know what you are saying is "I am lynchbait" and if I recall your first language isn't English so maybe that's just triggering me here.

I am leaning towards this is a genuine "Hi I'm lynchbait" post but that "scum probably wont NK me" is disturbing my chi man.

[profii]

"please dont" = I dont want to die = I'm either scum or a PR

I don't want to die as any role.

"scum probably wont NK me" = I am scum so obviously HOWEVER I do know you a bit and I know what you are saying is "I am lynchbait" and if I recall your first language isn't English so maybe that's just triggering me here.

Look at my wiki and count the times I have been NKed,

English is my mother tongue but not the main language I speak on a daily basis.

oic

maybe thats just my thing, I have been like 'i dont care if i die' as a VT because as long as the team wins I dont care.

& fair point on the statistical argument

neither of those were viewpoints I'd really considered... you are expanding my mind dude.

I am familiar with some. I am reluctant to play with one person but I have been jonesing to play so i'll deal with it.

I'd suggest keeping that to yourself at the risk of vaguely trying to pique everyones interest as to the gossipy tidbit of who that might be, thus creating a 'thing' unecessarily.

Unless, of course, you are trying to create 'a thing'

no, I don't want to create any things. I am a new man

create some thing beautiful, man.

[profii]

2+1+2+1=6

Explain ?

[profii]

RVS!

VOTE: EspressoJet

Dang, I got myself...

Uh oh we got a trouble maker

[profii]

god I wish flavor never brought up that game. I just read that game. No wonder I hate him so much. He continually plays against his win condition in every game i have ever played with him.

Why say that

[profii]

Can you consider not telling participants of the game you hate them?

[profii]

inb4 sing saw he was mafia and rolled out

I recently vigged someone because they tried to replace out in night state so the thought had crossed my mind but I like ejjis entrance so far

[profii]

When I try and play like Jake does, I get mislynched. When I troll lol, i get obvtown read correctly.

There was something you did in overkill when you were scum which made me think you were scum because it was the opposite to what you do as town

I cant remember exactly which way round it was but I think I kept it to myself in some subsequent games and it went wrong but I'll call it when I see it (if you do it) because when I see it I'll explain it properly (even though it can go wrong it might be useful to those who struggle to read you)

That was convoluted ha ha

[profii]

I shouldn't have posted that. my bad. I am not going to get into the issues I have with you or your playstyle. this isn't the time or place.

/end subject.

If it helps, I think you're entitled to share your opinions

You really did nothing wrong, we're here to chat until we think we find scum

Meh theres clearly an underlying issue between Jake and FL and I dont really want to sit through 10 pages of an argument if we can avoid it

[profii]

Yo Egix

What made you join the glorious society of dog avatar superstars?

[profii]

So basically kill both of us?

That's a good point actually. Aloratom wants everyone dead... must be scums heh

[profii]

EBWOP

I don't know which pings me more. Ejji's question or Espresso's answer.

I'm not sure it means anything but it was weird that covfefe had suddenly had enough after playing along with the first post

[profii]

EBWOP

I don't know which pings me more. Ejji's question or Espresso's answer.

I'm not sure it means anything but it was weird that covfefe had suddenly had enough after playing along with the first post

Who is covfefe exactly?

Covfefe was what trump tweeted for coffee by mistake once so I've decided espresso can be covfefe

[profii]

Yo Egix

What made you join the glorious society of dog avatar superstars?

<-- This is the same breed as my real-life pet dog (black and tan smooth haired miniature dachshund)

Interesting

[profii]

inb4 sing saw he was mafia and rolled out

I recently vigged someone because they tried to replace out in night state so the thought had crossed my mind but I like ejjis entrance so far

In that game i was thinking if he surives till next day he is confirmed scum. He didnt but not because he was a town cop. But that the noble vig shot true

I was going to shoot Frank because he was the counter wagon to Kerset and it made sense that he primarily might be scum or if he flipped town, it would settle the "he was probably a counter wagon so let's lynch him" discussion so that seemed acceptable

Then Nicholai tried to sneak out ha ha

[profii]

I got nothing. No one looks scummy to me yet. I am useless at finding scum day 1 (I am 99% sure that any effort spent trying to decode players votes and posts day 1 is useless, and I am wish I could go into every game with a policy of being on every wagon going just to get this time over with), and it is a weekend so I am barely paying any attention to anything.

Yeah I'm just going to vote you

VOTE: Geraintm

You haven't really attempted to sort anyone either way so.........

[profii]

I didnt even realise it was a wagon

I nearly wrote out a big justification saying that I dont like when people sit on day 1 and complain that they cant find anything scummy as it's usually scum being incapable of faking a read.

I also nearly said voting for this always gets people voting for me

But I couldn't be bothered to write it out

[profii]

So how do you find scum on day 2, if you cant on day 1? (That's not a trick question)

In fact I'll just jump ahead rather than wait for you to say it - on day 2 once you get a flip and a kill then you know a bit more about what's going on - obvious right?

The problem is it's great for those that haven't done much on day 1 - they can look at the players and be like well you pushed so and so and they flipped so you must be whatever

But we cant do that to you if you dont even guess, which makes you harder to read in day 2 as much

[profii]

I think my vote is sort of based on that premise but maybe the evolution of it

A lurk lynch is policy, a player saying they arent getting reads is kinda 1 tier above in terms of trying to appear here but not lynch

[profii]

Bob’s posts... well make sense but also feel kinda lamist at the same time

Why do you think day one is so useless.

Ok you say you dont have any scum reads yet but do you have any town reads.

Is there anything you want to ask in order to question another players?

mostly thinking about that one

I thought he was really lamist the first time I played with him

[profii]

Egix - yes

[profii]

I am a bit uneasy with Una... I feel like his reasons for voting were a bit mechanical BUT this is day 1 and the game is a relatively low paced affair so it could be excused.

Consider Una in my 'hmm suspicious' pile

[profii]

Why do you think day one is so useless.

Ok you say you dont have any scum reads yet but do you have any town reads.

Is there anything you want to ask in order to question another players?

why is day one useless. because it descends into a bunch of above average inteligence people (my general assumption is that mafia attracts a certain type f person) who unfortunately want to make themselves seem cleverer than they really can be, and believe that they can spot scummy behavior in a such a random period, whilst at the same time the scum are doing all they can to appear normal. it is just a waste of effort, if it was easy to spot scum at this point of the gamethen the game would be easy.

has anyone ever done the stats on the % success of day 1 lynches?

Got nothign to ask, what should i be asking? are you scum?

logically this is sound BUT at the moment nearly half the player list have less posts than the game mod.

I dont know the stats per se BUT I would say if everyone comes in and appears normal then sure, it's just pot luck, but I would say day 1 scum catches are usually people who are really reluctant to even participate at all in day 1.

I played a game with someone who just wouldnt humour peoples questions, got lynched and it was a scum flip. Wasn't really confident at the time but looking back, it was a big clue. I've also seen people just try and cruise through on the occasional post but I think that's such an obvious 'tell' most players try and post a bit more as scum now

[profii]

So how do you find scum on day 2, if you cant on day 1? (That's not a trick question)

In fact I'll just jump ahead rather than wait for you to say it - on day 2 once you get a flip and a kill then you know a bit more about what's going on - obvious right?

The problem is it's great for those that haven't done much on day 1 - they can look at the players and be like well you pushed so and so and they flipped so you must be whatever

But we cant do that to you if you dont even guess, which makes you harder to read in day 2 as much

i think this was aimed at me.

yeah, you got me, but instead of me going "those who pushed a lynch look bad because you found town",

i don't blame them usualy. they'll have been manipulated to get to that state

. i'd much rather go after those who have lurked, not posted at all. i've just come out of a game where the scum* was really able to ride a couple of inactive/low quality content players for ages, able to focus the towns attention on themrather than trying to work out who scum was...


* note - i was scum

everyones different i guess I mean - I'd not underestimate towns ability to just be wrong and think they are right in the highlighted situation.


I'd still ask that if I held a gun to your head and said 'who is the most scummy player in this game' that you should answer, even if you answer is "that guy, but it's day 1 so he is only like 5% more scummy than anyone else" - I can accept that totally

[profii]

I'd still ask that if I held a gun to your head and said 'who is the most scummy player in this game' that you should answer, even if you answer is "that guy, but it's day 1 so he is only like 5% more scummy than anyone else" - I can accept that totally

Person i currently most want to lynch, which is as good as you are going to get from me today instead of "most scummy"

emperorflippynips - because 2 posts aint enough
mavs fan - 3 posts and the last is not joining the wagon on me, but instead

voting for someone who is pushing a wagon on a townie

. just too easy to have so few posts and trying to appear good in the future

ha ha I was about to be like 'omg explain that' until I checked and realised you were talking about yourself. I got so excited for a second

[profii]

I'd still ask that if I held a gun to your head and said 'who is the most scummy player in this game' that you should answer, even if you answer is "that guy, but it's day 1 so he is only like 5% more scummy than anyone else" - I can accept that totally

Person i currently most want to lynch, which is as good as you are going to get from me today instead of "most scummy"

emperorflippynips - because 2 posts aint enough
mavs fan - 3 posts and the last is not joining the wagon on me, but instead

voting for someone who is pushing a wagon on a townie

. just too easy to have so few posts and trying to appear good in the future

ha ha I was about to be like 'omg explain that' until I checked and realised you were talking about yourself. I got so excited for a second

sorry to disappoint.

yeah, i've done it in the past as scum, you sit there and make early reads about someone being town so later on you can go "look at me, look at this". i know no one else will think this about Mavs post but i do.

I meant in the context of "a wagon on a townie? How do you know they are a townie? TMI, huh? Oh no, you are saying you are the townie... never mind" ha

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But you’re voting him and not one of the two people. Why?

that was my random vote and not found anyone yet i actually want to vote for, so it will stay there until i do

You can always unvote if you aren't SRing you RVS vote.
It might help us out in the coming days when VCA starys becoming useable.

Is this some kind of weird buddying tactic where you are trying to put the idea in his head that he shouldn't vote for me?

[profii]

I played a game recently and in that game there were 2 players:

Player A came in right off the bat and essentially said Day 1 is rubbish I dont like it I wont do much today
Player B was fairly resistant to any probing, got lynched and was scum.

I feel like Player A, whilst they came in and said it's rubbish and kinda owned it, they at least did go 'yeah that's scummy or not' through the day and tried to help town.
Ger feels much more like player B who just tried hard not to engage, got themselves stuck, lynched and flipped scum.

[profii]

Third

[profii]

But you’re voting him and not one of the two people. Why?

that was my random vote and not found anyone yet i actually want to vote for, so it will stay there until i do

You can always unvote if you aren't SRing you RVS vote.
It might help us out in the coming days when VCA starys becoming useable.

Is this some kind of weird buddying tactic where you are trying to put the idea in his head that he shouldn't vote for me?

Ngl and maybe its the tin foil but leaving the vote there when it's past rvs and not a preferred lynch feels like its a strategic move somehow.

Ngl

and

....

so you are not lying about trying to buddy me?!

[profii]

I’ll play eventually

Ugh

[profii]

Who’s ready to be caught by the Leaf, say I

I bet the scums are hoping you leaf them alone tbh

[profii]

careful what you wish for. Once boon starts playing for real the page count will triple. I'm down for a flash wagon but nobody ever has the guts to do it.

are you down for a flash wagon because FL has done something scummy or are you down for a flash wagon because you just dont like how FL plays?

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Fun play. I wonder if it’s scum indicative. Looks like a last ditch attempt to try and fool le townies into going “oh FL hasn’t played what oh my should we do?! He’s prob scum!!!!”

And ya took the bait, gerry poo, ya took the damn bait

There is a nagging doubt in my mind that scum would be sensitive to scrutiny so to reactively vote for you might be more town indicative than scum indicative.

[profii]

what has FL done that you find scummy?

[profii]

you could say that about a lot of this player list, yourself included. What makes you single FL out?

[profii]

I've scum hunted. I have provided some useful content. I mentioned fl because somebody voted him and he's one of the people I would lynch. But then again I already said I would lynch anyone (but myself)

I'm not saying you haven't scum hunted. I'm saying you are not the star of the scum hunting show. I noted you want to lynch anyone and that is a concern, it implies your scum hunting is ineffective, you dont strike me as someone similar to geriantm who has little faith in the ability of anyone to find scum in day 1 so if you are willing to lynch anyone and you believe you are scum hunting that just doesn't add up right to me.

[profii]

I don't know if I could put a number on it. His play so far is scummy and he's useless so he is definitely a good day 1 lynch. He's going to be harder to lynch as the days go on and he's skillful enough as scum to fool everyone.

he's the sort of player who gets an investigative for sure I would say

[profii]

he's skillful enough as scum to fool everyone.

This is why his quietness is making me paranoid.

normal from him i would say

[profii]

my point is that it's not unfair if someone said you haven't done much scum hunting

I sense this conversation either heads towards 'yes I have' or 'neither have you' and never resolves so I'm trying to avoid that sort of thing

I get the impression you want to lynch him because you are scared of his ability more than you find him scummy tbh - I dont like how you are approaching your decisions on who to lynch which is a flag the colour of that dude in your avatar

[profii]

no silly attempts at lolhammering

Were at 13 pages so no ending the day early

Una whats your reason for voting germin. As my reason was simply to see who woudl jump onto it.

And my gut says atleast one scum was on the wagon

Why do you think scum was on the wagon? Are you saying this episode has made geriantm town or are you saying the scum was bussing?

[profii]

I wanna know where bob thinks we should go for the next wagon.

[profii]

I'm waiting to see where you go next following a theory that geraintm is town

[profii]

I feel like I'm at a bit of a decision point on the geraintm wagon and that decision is going to be influenced with bobs input quite significantly.

I concede that I am probably a bit more stuck on the wagon than normal, usually I'd probably agree with bob and say "the wagon has happened fast, scum will be in there" - I am trying to adjust my playstyle to stick to my belief rather than let people talk me out lynching someone - the desired effect being I dont get talked out of lynching scum as that seems to be happening to me.

So looking at the geraintm situation. I feel like bob is happy to dissolve the geraintm wagon. There is part of me that thinks 'he could be right and it could be a scum rush' but I think I am going to double down on my feeling that geraintm is scum and actually vote for

VOTE: bob

The reason being - i wonder if he is white knighting (Is that the right term? Helping kill the wagon on his scum mate Geraintm is what I mean...) I think bob has successfully killed the momentum on geraintm so let's move on. Some of bob's language is really bugging me too which is making me feel more confident something fishy is going on, rather than it being bobs theory of scum just getting on a wagon... for example...


"If he is scum it is prob being bussed as i dont see why scum wouldnt.
If he germ is town. Then are scum on it or have they avoid the wagon. Leaving us to vote it up and mislynch. Resulting in a all town wagon on town."
"if germitn is town and i cant see scum acting the way he did"


I feel like the 2nd line is very fence sitty, "he could be town or he could be scum" - yet happy to kill the wagon which says you dont want him lynched
The 3rd line (different post) bugged be just because it starts with an if, but doesn't sound hypothetical by the end, but it might just be the way I'm reading it.


TL;DR - I am doubling down that something scummy is going on in {geraintm / bob}

[profii]

we have 13 players, which typically suggests 3 scum, let's assume every day is a lynch and a nk, that gives us 3 lynches and then it's crunch time.
if you are looking to pick off the lurkers on some kind of 'make the game better' policy, then you are looking at:

Flavor Leaf
Espressojet
UnaBombaH
Aloratom
Emperor flippyNips
mavsfan41
Egix96


that's too many people to use 'I'll lynch lurkers and that'll be fine' as a viable tactic, so we are going to need more from you Jake and Geraintm

[profii]

@ profii

i don't think my alignment makes any difference to Bob's actions. if he is scum he could be supporting me if i was scum or not. he benefits both ways.

I think that's what my gut feeling is and why my vote is there.

[profii]

I feel like your analysis of me is slightly misguided - I am kinda concerned that this thread turns into Jake vs FL or just generally Jake vs someone

I dont really want to tread on eggshells so I'm going to take an approach of make a point or dont but dont just whine about it

[profii]

Also bob I think your response is probably focussing on the wrong point. The language is a minor issue that is bugging me and tbh I've not noticed it particularly either way prior... it's probably just one of those things that because your pinging me I'm honing in on every detail

[profii]

BEF why would you hammer. There is no reason to hammer and end day one with us only at 13 pages

I know I didn't hammer. But I still like the wagon. Your weird "delayed" reaction to this is suspect.

It's not really... I also spotted it was a fake hammer and ignored it, the right thing to do is ignore it and let everyone else react

I feel like your maybe trying to force a reason to vote bob which is quite scummy tbh

[profii]

I feel like your analysis of me is slightly misguided

Could you just elaborate?

It was like the rest of the post Haha- I just dont want a tunnel fest in the thread

[profii]

I don’t understand why people scum read bob though.

double huh?

triple huh

[profii]

I am still down for a flash wagon on boon. he straight up isn't playing the game. I'd say the same about flippynips but out of the two, boon all the way.

I've seen EFN be the day 1 lynch and flip scum and he only made like 6 posts in that day so it's feasible but I think there is better out there

[profii]

I'm waiting for Jake to claim he is intentionally being scummy to see who DOESNT scum read him and he is going to say "aha so and so isn't scum reading me, but they really should- that's a fake read ergo scum"

The problem I have is he mentioned something about team work earlier so I think he has either missed the point of how team work works or he is just saying it because it looks good

[profii]

Ugh

Let's go lightning

[profii]

Dunno how BEF is picking up town reads but maybe that's me

I have a lynch pool of about 4/5 players - I feel like I've probably not got a good scum read at this point so I'm purposely not trying to say we should lynch anyone in particular but whilst I will be flexible and pragmatic in terms of ensuring we do get a lynch there are some players I'll not touch as well


Pedit - ok not just me ha ha

[profii]

I dont know what is going on why have I been name checked twice on this page

[profii]

& is it a real hammer now?

[profii]

With Bob's flip, Geraintm doesn't make as much sense to me today as he did yesterday.

Explain you’re thinking when most people think the exact opposite as you.

This is a bit spicy. At the point of this post 'most people' was you and FL.

Granted EFN has voted Ger but I actually kinda agree with alorotom that i dont think Ger is scum in spite of being the c/w

There is nothing stopping us getting it wrong twice and scum just laughing at us

[profii]

Vote count 1.FINAL

bob3141 (7) ~

unabombah, profii, brighteyedfish, emperor flippynips, jake from state farm, espressojet, flavor leaf

aloratom (3) ~

egix96, ejjinami, bob3141

geraintm (1) ~

aloratom

flavor leaf (1) ~

geraintm

brighteyedfish (1) ~

mavsfan41

with 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-01 10:31:46)

mod notes:

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bob3141 has been lynched! he was a

Spoiler:

vanilla townie

deadline for night actions:

(expired on 2020-03-01 17:22:47)

please submit night actions to me by pm or pt, if you have one

Vote count 1.4

geraintm (5) ~

aloratom, bob3141, jake from state farm, profii, unabombah

espressojet (3) ~

espressojet, ejjinami, brighteyedfish

profii (1) ~

geraintm

aloratom (1) ~

egix96

bob3141 (1) ~

mavsfan41

not voting (2) ~

Emperor flippyNips, Flavor Leaf

with 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-01 10:31:46)

mod notes:

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Those were the wagon peaks just from mod ISO (haven't checked every post etc)

Unas point about the counter wagon being likely to have less scum is logical, but I'm wary because I didnt realise he was on both wagons there... I feel like he is inviting me to conclude scum wouldn't be brazen and vote for town slot after town slot without actually saying it directly which is uncomfortable.

[profii]

BEF, one of Egix/Aloratom, then possibly Espresso for the scum team is standing out to me.
.

I may not want Gera anymore

my gut feeling which really means vague memories because I haven't really looked back at day 1 and can't remember that long ago are making me think "I need to check alo and espresso first"

there's probably something in that

[profii]

VOTE: aloratom

I nearly voted Espresso, but I think his L-2 vote, knowing FL would L-1 (which is NAI from FL) was kinda too scummy to be scum... My expectation of Day 1 was that the wagon on bob was going to actually die out and we would move on to another wagon, I'm not sure why it just felt like momentum had passed... so the rapid 2 votes with no claim etc was a bit of a surprise.

Anyway, I think Alo has been a bit all over the place and is kinda almost letting people tell him who to vote and it comes over like 'oh if i do this vote, people will like me/think im town' - I nearly voted for espresso, but I think that vote was too risky perhaps... Unless the scum team is Espresso and Ger and the fear was the wagon would revert to Ger after it failed on Bob.

But anyway, I'll read the thread more later and look at what I can find, this is my gut feeling for now.

[profii]

Boon+profii+Jake.
Just dropping these in case scum get hasty with any of them.

what are you up to

[profii]

Are you all three just scum?

Who is the 3?

You and your two teammates?

(guys, if Jake falls for this and reveals his teammates, this is going to be so amazing)

I’m not scum though.

shhh! He's on to us!

[profii]

Alright but only if you vote me back

[profii]

gotta emulate that town meta yo

[profii]

Does anyone have a hypothesis on the NK victim? My townie reads were UnaBombaH, profii and ejjinami. Figured one of them was going down. Geraintm I also get a weird townie read (scum I feel would be more, umm, “careful” when posting) but I know why he wasn’t NK’ed....

Does anyone have a guess of why ejjinami? Skimming through his posts now (will go more in depth later) my only read would be that he was one of the few that had an early scum read on alorotam. Flimsy at best and maybe he was just a rando target picked from the strongest townie reads. Also, that would be assuming there was a motivation to his NK and why he was targeted over some other players. Maybe the reason is he was less likely to be a mislynch victim and that’s good enough for a NK target.

A quick skim doesnt give me any distinct reads yet I felt he was quite towny so maybe scum found a kill that doesnt give much away

People often say "player X scum read player Z, then player X died, ergo player Z likely scum" but that seems too obvious to me

[profii]

That being said I'm voting Alo so i dunno

[profii]

VOTE: aloratom

I nearly voted Espresso, but I think his L-2 vote, knowing FL would L-1 (which is NAI from FL) was kinda too scummy to be scum... My expectation of Day 1 was that the wagon on bob was going to actually die out and we would move on to another wagon, I'm not sure why it just felt like momentum had passed... so the rapid 2 votes with no claim etc was a bit of a surprise.

Anyway, I think Alo has been a bit all over the place and is kinda almost letting people tell him who to vote and it comes over like 'oh if i do this vote, people will like me/think im town' - I nearly voted for espresso, but I think that vote was too risky perhaps... Unless the scum team is Espresso and Ger and the fear was the wagon would revert to Ger after it failed on Bob.

But anyway, I'll read the thread more later and look at what I can find, this is my gut feeling for now.

Actually, I had three votes yesterday, geraintm, espresso, and geraintm. But that's alright.

You see something between espresso and geraintm?

No just speculating on why the wagon didnt go anywhere away from bob... I haven't had a chance to go back through day 1

[profii]

Ok so I looked back at espresso and Ger

There is little mention of each other through day 1

Espresso gives a little mention of ger being scummy but themn votes bob right at the death after sitting on RVS all day (not ever voting Ger)

It actually looks pretty bad and it is feasible that espresso was worried where the vote might go if bob didnt go through

I will re read day 1, particularly the end - I felt that the bob wagon had passed but i wasnt sure where it was going so if it was going to move on I'm not sure if scum were concerned about it

But there is some legs in the counter wagon theory I guess

[profii]

And now for some hot sauce.

Germ/bef/profli/nips has all the scums.

Why is alo town

[profii]

I think the wagons have stalled between Alo vs {Ger and Espresso} - We've discussed the potential link between Ger and Espresso, but that's obviously split the voters. I think we should either decide on one, which may lead us to another scum, but pre-flip associatives are bad, so let's just lynch alo today please...

[profii]

what do you mean ring scum

[profii]

Jake you want to lynch geraintm and I want to lynch alo - how do you see a compromise working out here?

[profii]

Jake you want to lynch geraintm and I want to lynch alo - how do you see a compromise working out here?

i'm not moving my vote off germ so don't expect me to compromise.

well what if the compromise is I help you lynch geraintm today and let's just speculate that he may not flip scum as you say - if you get proved wrong and you willing to be more flexible in the next game day?

[profii]

Jake you want to lynch geraintm and I want to lynch alo - how do you see a compromise working out here?

i'm not moving my vote off germ so don't expect me to compromise.

well what if the compromise is I help you lynch geraintm today and let's just speculate that he may not flip scum as you say - if you get proved wrong and you willing to be more flexible in the next game day?

if we lynch germ today, I will sheep majority tomorrow.

we pretty close to alo so Im gonna stick for now but i'll hold you to this if i have to

[profii]

why not

[profii]

Anyway, I think Alo has been a bit all over the place and is kinda almost letting people tell him who to vote and it comes over like 'oh if i do this vote, people will like me/think im town

I don't know if I agree with this. cite some examples?

bit of a gut feeling and me sheeping people but I'll see if i can clarify what i meant with examples later...

[profii]

VOTE: Aloratom

I see your still voting geraintm with your rvs vote. You have ben posting all the while its steadily reached l-1.

yet no real attempt to sort him or move the lynch off else where.

Only post whre you talk about an alignment is when you say that one of mav posts look towny. At no point who you think might be scum.

Why you think geraintn is scum

Actually, I'm going to take a look at espressojet. He's had that vote on himself for a long time now, and it's weird.

VOTE: espressojet

@jake

This was the sort of thing that pinged me but here's a thought

This post is someone basically saying I dont like your vote and Alo, out of nowhere going "uh oh better move it for you then"

I haven't gone looking for more because its notable that if Alo did stop Ger being L-1 then there is a chance they are just both scum...I need to check this out a bit more

[profii]

What do u mean by espresso is espresso- is there a schtick that someone who hasn't met him before (me) wouldn't know

[profii]

If we are all dancing around l-1 due to FL at what point do we deal with claiming

[profii]

I’m actually really interested to see what aloratom flips

I'm definitely not saying it here but I sometimes get a sensation like this in poker when I know I have a losing hand but I just bet anyway because I gotta know what's going on haha

I still think alo flips scum here- I think maybe this wagon hasn't stalled people are just scared of the lol hammer - seems like enough people will vote

[profii]

Quick post before bed. I pretty much asked aloratom to claim earlier. I got zero response from him.

Well that's why I'm asking how we play this - we are all dancing around l-1 so I'd ignore any calls for a claim too... irrespective of alignment

[profii]

This early in the day?

Better to do L-1...claim...wagon fall apart...counterclaim...wagon comes back....or goes to someone else

...now, rather than a day or 2 to go imo

[profii]

This early in the day?

Better to do L-1...claim...wagon fall apart...counterclaim...wagon comes back....or goes to someone else

...now, rather than a day or 2 to go imo

^^^ this is exactly what I don't want to happen. just gives scum a chance to confuse us

this described chain of events is nto helpful to town

I am all for
L-1...claim...discuss claim...decide claim is BS...hammer

what i posted is more typical of how it goes which is why it's better to do it earlier because we dont live in this utopian vision of the world.

but each to their own

[profii]

This early in the day?

Better to do L-1...claim...wagon fall apart...counterclaim...wagon comes back....or goes to someone else

...now, rather than a day or 2 to go imo

^^^ this is exactly what I don't want to happen. just gives scum a chance to confuse us

this described chain of events is nto helpful to town

I am all for
L-1...claim...discuss claim...decide claim is BS...hammer

what i posted is more typical of how it goes which is why it's better to do it earlier because we dont live in this utopian vision of the world.

but each to their own

we have had no claim from aloratom and I have asked

@ aloratom


I'm like 75% sure you are the lynch today, you are going to have to give people a really good reason not to have you dead by the end of the day.

people need to assume no claim is coming and say if they want aloratom dead or not. I want people to actually express their views on this matter, because we have people like espressojet able to have over 50 posts and all they appear to be is someone doing a mike check

I dont like this actually.

why are you so keen to hammer alo without a claim

just because you asked, which i did see you mention, doesn't mean you are going to get what you want... the general site meta is L-1 -> Claim -> decide.... not L-2 -> people scared of lol hammers -> claim anyway

so I wouldnt expect you to get a claim at that point, Idont know why you are insistant that you aren't going to get one ever. Period... I dont think that is the case at all.

[profii]

What makes you call alo a mislynch exactly?

[profii]

Are you all three just scum?

Who is the 3?

You and your two teammates?

(guys, if Jake falls for this and reveals his teammates, this is going to be so amazing)

I’m not scum though.

shhh! He's on to us!

We've established Jake knows I'm scum... duh

[profii]

scum lynches are difficult. townie lynches are easy.

This is the Bob lynch wagon:
bob3141 (7) ~ unabombah,

profii

,

brighteyedfish

, emperor flippynips, jake, espressojet, flavor leaf

Most recent Alo wagon:
aloratom (4) ~

geraintm

, flavor leaf,

profii

, Egix96 (+Mavs into L-1)

Vote count 1.4

geraintm (5) ~

aloratom, bob3141, jake from state farm,

profii

, unabombah

espressojet (3) ~

espressojet, ejjinami, brighteyedfish

profii (1) ~

geraintm

aloratom (1) ~

egix96

bob3141 (1) ~

mavsfan41

not voting (2) ~

Emperor flippyNips, Flavor Leaf

with 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-01 10:31:46)

mod notes:

-

germ wagon was growing. Profli hopped off. BEF joins his buddy. germ stays off because scum don't like having all 3 on a wagon.

I kinda feel like if we lynch Ger and he flips town and that makes you re evaluate things that would be a good thing

If I'm wrong and Ger flips scum then hey ho we caught scum even if you will death tunnel me... someone can just cop me or whatever and we can move on


I can work with this I guess either way

[profii]

I said assuming 3 scum and someone said there is for sure

when that person corrected me it reminded me that I think this was confirmed in the queue

[profii]

Spoiler: Profii post

scum lynches are difficult. townie lynches are easy.

This is the Bob lynch wagon:
bob3141 (7) ~ unabombah,

profii

,

brighteyedfish

, emperor flippynips, jake, espressojet, flavor leaf

Most recent Alo wagon:
aloratom (4) ~

geraintm

, flavor leaf,

profii

, Egix96 (+Mavs into L-1)

Vote count 1.4

geraintm (5) ~

aloratom, bob3141, jake from state farm,

profii

, unabombah

espressojet (3) ~

espressojet, ejjinami, brighteyedfish

profii (1) ~

geraintm

aloratom (1) ~

egix96

bob3141 (1) ~

mavsfan41

not voting (2) ~

Emperor flippyNips, Flavor Leaf

with 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-01 10:31:46)

mod notes:

-

germ wagon was growing. Profli hopped off. BEF joins his buddy. germ stays off because scum don't like having all 3 on a wagon.

I kinda feel like if we lynch Ger and he flips town and that makes you re evaluate things that would be a good thing

If I'm wrong and Ger flips scum then hey ho we caught scum even if you will death tunnel me... someone can just cop me or whatever and we can move on


I can work with this I guess either way

That's a bit of a self-preservation mentality, isn't it?

id call it a "how can I work with people" mentality

I struggle to read jake because his meta is so distinct.i think the important thing is to get him in a position where he is either catching scum or having to re-evaluate the game because his assertions are disproven

We arent going to change Jake and his tunnels so if we can direct them to somewhere that means he is clearly town and making scum uncomfortable then his schtick becomes a town strength

I dont think Ger is scum but I'd be happy if he was and then wed know Jake is on the right track.

Jake is just a player I have to read mechanically. I dont agree with his her read. I do agree with his BEF read...I cant remember the other one but I dont see the point in investing too much time in talking him round so I naturally think long game with him

[profii]

Why has everyone jumped off Alo?

I am kinda tempted to go "here you are Jake, I'll vote Ger" but given he just wants to vote Alo with me I think he is town so ner

[profii]

Ps get well soon mod (y)

[profii]

Ger if you were like boss of this town and could make us all vote in a certain way, on a scale of 1 to 10 how commited are you to that alo lynch?

[profii]

I'm assuming that cop claim is not legit.

[profii]

The Alo wagon has died seemingly.

I will do you a deal Jake. If you can talk some more people on to Germ, I'll help you as a compromise lynch... given that he is voting Alo, i pretty much think he is town so for me it's a stupid slot to vote for, but if that means we flip him and as part of the deal you follow me on to Alo tomorrow then that is progress.

But i'd still rather see the Alo wagon come back. I'll look for some more scums later in the mean time.

[profii]

it's your call... consider the olive branch extended

[profii]

how do you know he fake claimed ?

[profii]

Because I know my alignment and I know from the set up there can be no way a cop could have got a guilty verdict on me.

Hahaha I'm so dumb I didnt even consider that

[profii]

Espresso what does flippy nips lack of activity say to you ?

[profii]

People might disagree, but I think gera and alora are the most logical lynches for today.

This is why I'm willing to compromise with jake. Any other direction today would be not as fruitful in terms of info gained

In fact, f it... let's see what happens

VOTE: ger

[profii]

Ps - if ger lynch goes through then I am going to make Jake lynch Alo tomorrow assuming ger flips town. He didnt agree to the deal as such but I'm bored of this day now

[profii]

I don’t want this day to end without alo, espresso, and flavor seriously doing something. I feel these guys aren’t doing much.

Hones in on lurkers

He’s on v/la. Don’t be a dick

Heavily defends the lurkiest player this game


Hmmmmm...
(PS there are other examples of this through the game)

hadn't really noticed that. Interesting

[profii]

The other names are Flavor Leaf, who is true neutral, and profii which is a gut-read I cannot explain

WooooOOOOOOoooooooOooOOOOOoooooooOOOoooo

If you couldn't tell, I am being mysterious

[profii]

Has anyone played with scum Jake ?

[profii]

I've got a little Egix blind spot because we just played a game where he kept quiet all game but by the end we all knew he was the vig and I couldnt do anything about it as scum and town knew too... so maybe im biased by his activity again

[profii]

I’m tempted to vote you also but I would never vote somebody boon was pushing.

Boon was on both Bob and Germain at the same time as you were. I think you love Boon and just afraid to admit it.

[profii]

"I have Egix down as scum. I think lynching aloratom will confirm this"

That's a weird thing to say

[profii]

I might be taking that out of context just looking at that quote though so my bad if so

[profii]

1251

[profii]

Did someone say L-1?

[profii]

VOTE: Alo
I'd rather do alo first so I'm gonna have my own little protest rn

[profii]

How long we got left

[profii]

2 days

[profii]

Ugh

Fine

intent

Please claim Egix

[profii]

Profii has extremely high scum equity.

Remember me!

Do not invest your equity here compadres

[profii]

VOTE: Aloratom

Actually, I’ll just sheep Rob here because Aloratom never end games now.

VOTE: Ger

Walk me through this boon

You've gone from there is scum on the egix wagon

To, it's all flipped green and so it must be Allo (good call)

Then on to, nah I'll vote Gerb( what?)


I dont follow.... I get Alo but, what????

[profii]

mavsfan41 died last night! he was a

Spoiler:

town multitasking tracker voyeur

it is now day3!

Vote count 3.0

not voting (9) ~

Aloratom, profii, Emperor flippyNips, geraintm, BrightEyedFish, Flavor Leaf, Espressojet, robbnva, UnaBombaH

with 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-21 20:42:25)

mod notes:

- thanks rc for helping out with vcs! joint mod iso

Having a quick glance at Mavs ISO after the n1 flip his initial posts are along the lines of "it could be BEF" & "why are we going for Ger"

So I'm guessing that's gonna be a clue

So I really want to know where FL is going rn

[profii]

But not really. I’m not voting anyone else today

Why not Alo from that wagon being all green now

Why ger

[profii]

Explain Ger!scum to me

[profii]

And I mean like ho is ger more scummy than alo, given all was freaking hars to lynch and had an entirely town counterwagon

I've not looked at the NKs to see if they are selected to reduce pressure on Ger but I though the N1 kill took the most pressure off Alo.

So you're gonna have to talk me into this one

[profii]

Cause 1. I still scum read him since day 1. 2. Cause of him I’m stuck on this stupid account forever.

Looking through your iso I can see you have scum read germ through the whole game but I dont really like the reasons

Your iso did remind me that you said he was guilty and I'm guessing mavs was our cop, not you... that's a bit of a pickle

[profii]

I mean "I do t really like see the reasons"

There are seemingly no reasons to dislike that I could find

[profii]

Vote count 1.FINAL

bob3141 (7) ~

unabombah, profii, brighteyedfish, emperor flippynips, jake from state farm, espressojet, flavor leaf

aloratom (3) ~

egix96, ejjinami, bob3141

geraintm (1) ~

aloratom

flavor leaf (1) ~

geraintm

brighteyedfish (1) ~

mavsfan41

with 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-01 10:31:46)

mod notes:

-

bob3141 has been lynched! he was a

Spoiler:

vanilla townie

deadline for night actions:

(expired on 2020-03-01 17:22:47)

please submit night actions to me by pm or pt, if you have one

1 has gotta be aloratom

[profii]

I think I've been overlooking Rob the game because I cant be bothered to get involved in an inevitable unresolvable erm, "debate" but as time progresses I wonder how much he just tunnels germ and gets away with it "because its rob"

Its derp, but I can see it working for scum!rob - I mean we are now at the point where we are desperate for a scum lynch... even if we lynched rob today, it likely goes to 2v5 which is probably an acceptable outcome for rob I would imagine

[profii]

I think FL is town just because and I'm not going to give my reasons

I haven't really looked for a case on Germ but thinking about it, I can see a world where Germ flips scum and Rob goes LAMIST... gonna go look and see if that fits properly but I wonder if that is what is happening here

[profii]

I didnt realise flippy was in the game- I think I dreamt that he replaced out

[profii]

I'm not sure about Una either way. The boon paranoia is to be expected. Linking boon and Rob is interesting theory I guess. I can see Alortom and FL because FL went for Germ today I suppose but I dont see FLs usual scum game so I'm not convinced. Does that mean Una is trying to lynch boon? I'm not sure but I'm watching

[profii]

I cant read espresso and I dont like bef (gut feeling) so I dunno what's going on there. I need to read

[profii]

Forgot this bit

VOTE: aloratom

[profii]

I feel flips would have posted more if he were scum.

My main scum reference point for him is that Booneytoonz game when I was renegade and EFN was the day 1 scum lynch after like half a dozen posts... so what makes you say that?

[profii]

why those two?

because it is a claim that cannot be validated easily.

I am not sure BUT

How do you verify a doctor claim without a no kill to at least give us a clue

[profii]

I don’t believe in mass claims. I won’t take part in it either.

mate, they are real

[profii]

Alo was on that wagon
Alo was really hard to lynch yesterday
Alo gave a claim we cant refute other than a 'real doctor'coming out and saying 'no you're not'- which is obviously what scum want when you're l-1

Damn it I dont care anymore

VOTE: alo

[profii]

I thought it was l-1 damnit ha

[profii]

UNVOTE:

[profii]

VOTE: alo









kidding

[profii]

geraintm has requested replacement

that's pretty sad that it's come to this.


anyway... finally managed to push Alo through. Though they lured the doc claim out of EJ which is obviously the reason for that kill.

I'll look at VCs and wagons later on and come back with the next scum lynch.

[profii]

With that Alor self hammer, does that mean that scum is off the wagon? That would mean scum is in Robb, Nippy and Una.

Ejet played really well.

Aloratom claimed doctor specifically to out him. He was a strong man so he knew there was a protective.

Scum is on the wagon and off.

VOTE: Profii

This is the busser.

no

[profii]

Actually wait I think I half scum claimed in this game with rob

[profii]

4 votes to lynch. We treat rob as a tree stump.

@proffi @BEF @flippy let's form a town core

This makes me nervous, I dont trust you, new person

[profii]

Actually you were garm

So confused

[profii]

So we did

Have you like, read the game already

[profii]

I'm trying to decide which one (or two) of the three in BEF/Boon/Ame is trying to push for an agenda harder.
I think the way the three of them drew the lines could help us solve the game..

Take your best shot

[profii]

Profii can you lay out to me your progression on Alo? In particular why were you so certain he was scum before D3?

Yea a little bit

Firstly I was looking at that alo wagon on day2 because Ejji died and Bob flipped so straight away it's a coin toss on egix vs alo... not guaranteed but at the same time I think I've lost a couple of games recently by basically being naive and letting people direct me so I am trying to stick to my guns a bit more.... I decided I'm finding scum in these 2 and I'd rather be wrong than misled


I just played a game with egix where he had a similar inactive style and it ended up him being a vig - he didnt have to claim, we just knew, I was scum and it had me trapped so I guess I was perhaps leaning on his quiet style being reminiscent of this

Comparing that to Alo who's reads were a little bit wishy washy and kinda scum reading people he was being told to scum read... a kinda wisdom of the crowd voter. Which is probably worth revisiting now as this will likely tell us some alignments I guess

Then there was the wagon on alo that ended up on an egix flip. That confirmed it to me I think



In a nutshell it was an educated guess combined with me being consciously a bit more stubborn than I usually am

[profii]

I'm glad BEF did the colouring in... I'll be looking through in work if I get a chance

[profii]

I think the page previous to this has sold me on FL!Town.

I use the Overkill game as my yardstick for measuring FL scum meta vs the ProFlavor hydra as a good understanding of your legit town meta. This seems to be the FL that goes through 100 theories a seconds which is usually town indicative of you. Still not going to openly say what I look for in your scum meta, because I think we can save that for another game at this point.

So that is good. But let's look at the list now:

profii
Emperor flippyNips
Ame
BrightEyedFish
Flavor Leaf
Jake from State Farm
UnaBombaH


We need to find 2 scum in this list and we can only get it wrong once.

So taking a cursory glance at this list...

EFN - I have seen quiet EFN!scum before but given my comments on FL and the fact FL town reads EFN I'll roll with it to make thinking about this easier.
Ame - I am probably leaning town just on the way the Bob/Ger wagons went and given that we finished with a failed scum counterwagon on day 1. Plus that replace out was probably town frustration - I think if you have that sort of problem as scum you can easily manipulate it to mess up the game state and cause trouble, whereas Ger actively avoided doing that.
BEF - I am in 2 minds about BEF, he is always mislynch bait, and looking at his reads being a bit against the grain, it would be easy for scum to go 'lets lynch this mislynch bait BEF' but then if he flips town, we are just going to look at the wagon for the person who drove it and it becomes easy to catch someone...I can see him as someone scum would think they can lynch so they don't kill, or he could just be scum... I am not sure.
Jake - I don't think I've ever seen Jakes scum game, or if I have, it's been a while and I can't recall it. but given my points about Ger actively removing himself from bother and Jake still tunnelling the slot, it could just be that Jake who confesses not to be a good player can't logical transition his scum read onto another spot, despite many people trying to help him do that.
Una - Una is a pretty tricky player to read. The one thing I want to see from Una is like his pool of players or how he sees this playing out... scum!me has definitely played with town!una and I've been in a situation where Una has been like 'here are the towns and here are the scums' - when I've been scum, I've felt like 'woah he is right, that means we will never lynch so and so and this makes the game hard for scum!me' but I am not sure Una is being so forthright with his reads here which gives scum the wiggle room (which is why I was asking him to take his best shot a couple of pages ago)



so if you said which 3 people do we lynch to win it would be BEF, Jake, Una... I am not fussed by the order. Probably Jake first.

These are not strong reads in comparison to how I felt comfortable sitting on Alo for the best part of 2 days but yeah.

[profii]

@FL - I want to re-read the way the Ger(ame) / Bob wagons went down. I think that is where we will find the key to Ame's alignment

[profii]

UNVOTE:

why the unvote?

I didnt even realise EFN was still here

[profii]

ahhhh right now i remember what happened.

on day 1 the geraintm wagon had all those fake hammers and then no one wanted to follow it through. I guess in the 'ger!scum' logic, it is reminiscent of when we got close to the Alo hammer and it wouldnt go through.

But in the ger!town pile, I was looking at why bob was leading the votes away from the ger wagon and I thought it might have been scum!bob helping take a lynch away from scum!ger - it would have made sense for scum to take that risk and not lose a player on day 1 but then bob flipped town so that theory was pooper scooper.


So then looking at the wagon on bob building up there was a lot of players who just voted so i guess that could be scum reacting to ger's close shave.


Maybe I'm just blinded by my theory of events being wrong so i've been assuming town!ger all game.

I'm not totally sold but I am more open minded as I go looking for more info...

[profii]

With Bob's flip, Geraintm doesn't make as much sense to me today as he did yesterday.

Explain you’re thinking when most people think the exact opposite as you.

With the way Bob was defending geraintm, I thought there may have been a connection.

VOTE: geraintm

You've got a point.

VOTE: aloratom

I nearly voted Espresso, but I think his L-2 vote, knowing FL would L-1 (which is NAI from FL) was kinda too scummy to be scum... My expectation of Day 1 was that the wagon on bob was going to actually die out and we would move on to another wagon, I'm not sure why it just felt like momentum had passed... so the rapid 2 votes with no claim etc was a bit of a surprise.

Anyway, I think Alo has been a bit all over the place and is kinda almost letting people tell him who to vote and it comes over like 'oh if i do this vote, people will like me/think im town' - I nearly voted for espresso, but I think that vote was too risky perhaps... Unless the scum team is Espresso and Ger and the fear was the wagon would revert to Ger after it failed on Bob.

But anyway, I'll read the thread more later and look at what I can find, this is my gut feeling for now.

Actually, I had three votes yesterday, geraintm, espresso, and geraintm. But that's alright.

You see something between espresso and geraintm?

If you look at who wasn't on the Bob wagon, you've got egix, geraintm, you and me. I'm not convinced that all the scum were on the Bob wagon. So if I'm weighing between geraintm and espresso, and I already have a read on geraintm, I stick with geraintm. If espresso starts pinging harder, I'll take another look, but I see no reason to switch just because I think he gave a scummy answer. I've been trying to find balance between playing too slowly and too aggressively. I've been accused as a deadbeat by doing the former and burnt by bad reads by doing the latter. I'm looking for middle ground. We're early in Day 2, and I'm trying to play at a measured pace. Thus, I'm holding ground for a minute.

So don’t insult my intelligence please

he's rather touchy over that so I would recommend not doing it.

other things are fair game. Dress sense, hair cut, having to have a mug with his own name on it so he doesn't forget, they are ok...

That mug line almost makes me want to unvote you.

Quick post before bed. I pretty much asked aloratom to claim earlier. I got zero response from him.

Remember this post ger?

"aloratom made a post whilst at L-1 with no mention of their status though....either that is coolness under pressure or i don't know what."

It just makes sense to vote here. If not, Robb's burnt.

VOTE: geraintm

This was a planned bus.

Robb’s right.

If you saying here that Alo planned to bus scum!Ger on day 1 are you saying that Alo planned for the wagon to collapse or do you think if it had gone through they would have been ok with it actually going through to a lynch there?

[profii]

oic

I was going to say if the collapse of the ger wagon was manufactured, who was the orchestrator but never mind

[profii]

profii and Una stop being pocketed by FL

whats your experience with scum!FL ?

[profii]

I know it's NAI for profii to have this perspective

Do you mean orange NAI for him specifically or for anyone? If the former can you elaborate.

I think it's a polite way of saying 'scum!profii would have no problem pushing this logical argument that is irrelevant to alignment'

which means Una doesn't want to directly say scum!profii.

Una has openly been trying to draw a night kill - I mean I spotted the hints pretty early, but I do know that Una tends to do that, so it probably stands out to me.

Una obviously hasn't died

It could mean he is scum (hasn't died) and think I have the influence to lynch him (doesn't want to openly call me scum and start a 'war' with me)


hmmm.

[profii]

BEF where are you at with Una ?

[profii]

I still want ame but if not. I’m down for FL. He’s been all over the place today.

But why doesnt that make FL town

[profii]

Cause town fl is usually more sure of himself.

I think FL.has a process where he is all over the place but then decides so we are probably both right here
...

I think it's ok though

[profii]

Una has openly been trying to draw a night kill - I mean I spotted the hints pretty early, but I do know that Una tends to do that, so it probably stands out to me.

If it stood out for you, how come you managed to miss this?

Maybe they'd waste a bullet on me if they thought I was something special.

+

I would've been bulletproof last night, but I guess it was a long shot anyway.

I do not know what else you could do as a Bulletproof, but try and bait the kill your way.

What did I miss? As soon as I spotted that you were hinting "kill me in a PR" then I knew you either weren't or you were BP

So basically what I'm looking for is "who is making hints to tell us who they've looked at" so I we can narrow the game down... as far as you are concerned, I dont need to worry about that aspect

[profii]

After reading unas posts my knee jerk reaction is 1 scum in {una / robb}

I think

Theres some weird links in there that bother me

[profii]

Yeah that colour goes blurry on my phone

[profii]

I was gonna vote Una, the you, FL, voted Ame and I'm not wholly sure but now.you went Una I'm like yeah!

VOTE: una

I think this is the way to go. Unas doing a lot of nothing in the walls, as I said usually Una is quite decisive which makes it hard for scum and that's not happening. I'm happy with this vote

[profii]

Also I dont like that Una was hinting bulletproof - we had a doc so...

[profii]

UNVOTE:

Hang on

[profii]

I didnt notice Ame was on Una so Una was at L-1

That means a few things could be happening

If its Ame!scum, she is just making an early assertion that they think they will get Una through as the mislynch today, that also means Robb is town

If its FL!scum, he is finding a way to sheep an existing vote, I'll review his posts but I would be surprised

EFN doesnt want to vote Una, that could be a clever play if its Ame/EFN, ie one goes hard early and one stays away hoping the townies just mislynch

Then Una pushes FL back... if I was Una and I'm town, I'd probably push Ame, just based on the Ame/Efn combo but Una doesnt even speculate that could be a combo

I think this is Una trying to get FL out the game via lynch because he cant kill him at night for fear of the town going "well Una needed to deal with FL" or perhaps more likely, scum Una can paint a seemingly good portrait of town Una by playing the "FL paranoia" card

I'm actually ok again I've talked myself back into it

VOTE: una[/]

[profii]

Whoops

VOTE: una

[profii]

Then Una pushes FL back... if I was Una and I'm town, I'd probably push Ame, just based on the Ame/Efn combo but Una doesnt even speculate that could be a combo

He did speculate about it here:

Boon-Gera or Boon-BEF would solve pretty much everything.

flippy reads very scum motivated to me.
I think it would be interesting to see an Ame wagon form from FL, Robb, Una and see which way BEF hammers.

my point is that Una quote doesnt include ame/efn as a team

[profii]

I'll also do a fullclaim just because I think it's the right thing to do - I'm a Town N2 N3 N5 N7 N11 Bulletproof.
Yes, I know how that seems, but that is the original PM I got.
Underneath it uses the phrase "on prime-numbered nights" and it also clarifies that it's "up to and including" N11.

And I don't think anyone would expect me to come up with such a silly fakeclaim anyway, but I did even crumb it.
My ISO has pretty early the word "prime" in it.
I also speak about scum "wasting shots" on me.
I ALSO remember "giving" +2 to someone for a good post or something.
I never game the +1, and I think I did +3 and +5 as well.

1 shot strong man vs a undated doctor and a (realistically) 3 shot BP

I am not convinced at this precise moment in time

[profii]

I suppose if the doctor got lucky we could get to n11

[profii]

I'm saying you knew you had a strong man so you had to crumb a protective and now.you are stuck in your claim but the doctor flip has essentially outed you

I've been had over by scum claiming and a wagon falling over on the "dont lynch a PR" policy so I'm going to stand my ground here because I think what I must said explains what's going on

[profii]

town
EFN– (obvi)
flavor– I can read like a book
alo– cos of claim

town lean
espresso– i find myself hesitant to give him a full town read but a majority of post feel townie to me

null–find myself putting these people in different categories often
Robb– guess idk what to make of the death tunnel on gera
gera– :shrug:


Scum lean
BEF– honestly forgot they were in the game even tho they probably have more post than me
Profi– normally has more of a presence imo, kinda same thing as BEF
Una– i didn't like a couple of his post


i think this is about where im at

i went back over una & didn't feel the same as before, i'd like to kill within BEF, Rob, & profi. i need to iso them as of right now im leaning Rob over the other two

i'd also be down for a no kill if it comes down to it

These are the first posts from EFN on day 3/4

I'd guess he checked FL then Una so I'm doubling down on my FL town read.

That means I need to pick the town from Ame, Robb, BEF to leave me with 2 scum.

The obvious theme of the game is robb tunnels ame - so robb is either scum or wrong and scum hope robb will finish the game here.

If rob is scum does that make Ame town or scum


My gut says rob ame isn't S/S which PoEs BEF


I wont get a chance to Iso for ~24 hours - coronavirus is making crazy times in jail so i cant iso check too hard rn in bef but that's where I'm drawn to

[profii]

No objection

[profii]

Profii, you town? You solid with Ame/Profii/FL town block?

I was thinking if we lynch BEF and assuming that is scum
the next assumption is you are IC so it's going to be me / ame / robb

So yeah if you are thinking its robb I am too

I think BEF is the safe scum lynch today

But we could go the other way and power lynch him tomorrow after robb

I think BEF is sensible but either or

[profii]

No

[profii]

VOTE: ame

[profii]

you guys don't really deserve to win

you don't help yourself do you

[profii]

There was so many things I could manipulate in this game.

Robb vs Ger/Ame doesn't really need to be spoken about, it's obvious.
Leaving FL vs Una in the game was always going to be useful to us
Even messing with Egix - I recently rolled scum and was legit too busy to play properly, so being able to contribute in a relatively meaningful way in this game meant he was easier to fool than it might have been.

hehe

have the multitask role was really handy for safety checks on ourselves and there was an unexpectedly large amount of PRs in this game given the early flips were often VT


Thanks for the game everyone.

[profii]

What was the last PR? Cant see the setup thread. I am assuming a watcher looked at BEF on the last night?

[profii]

I'm happy for it to go as is

[profii]

My respect goes to the scumsters.
Well built lategame.
I'm only salty about not being allowed to finish my catch-up.
Then again, I wouldn't have needed a catch-up if I had REALLY kept up.

At least I now know I'm still able to solve players if I just put in the effort.
And sniff out the PRs and their crumbs..

I laughed to myself when you said something like 'profii will be like "im not sure" and follow boon'

after the day restarted I was like "Im doubling down on this read" even though you were dead

[profii]

no efn checked bef that night
he happened to die but the check still happened

ahhh of course

[profii]

I think you will see in the scum PT that we were very close to killing Ger - At the time I felt like he was really close to solving the whole game which was really dangerous for us but I also felt by killing him, it would PoE the rest of the town towards us. Ame came in with some fresh eyes but a slightly different perspective and it actually felt like it took some pressure off.

[profii]

Are you all three just scum?

Who is the 3?

You and your two teammates?

(guys, if Jake falls for this and reveals his teammates, this is going to be so amazing)

I’m not scum though.

shhh! He's on to us!

We've established Jake knows I'm scum... duh

Damn, this so came to bite you back later didnt it

Nah

[profii]

Yeah, Profii was lock scum. I was gonna go through BEF/Profii scenarios today, but we had to rush it :shrug:

I claimed cop in overkill and survived for ages. I acum claimed here and end gamed

Just saying

[profii]

Hi I reviewed this game.

When scum get something like a voyeur is it intended to be used as a defence mechanism (so to speak)

I assume so, last time I did it my scum mates were like wtf but to me it means you can confidently do what you want if you can be sure you're in the clear so it's an obvious move

[profii]

Una, this is extremely reminiscent of the last time we were TvT.

FlippyNips wall seems solid, idk if it's the right conclusion, but I like the progression.

I don't have anything on BEF. Also there are strong anti BEF/FlippyNips associations.

I think it's Alora/Profii right now

It could be BEF.

If Alora is town, it's probably Profii/Gera.

Something's off about Profii but I can't really case them, and that's something I don't like.

TRUST YOURSELF FLAVOR DAMN IT

Profii, you’re scum! Consider yourself caught.

The only Leaf that brings the Beef!

Surrender yourself now

Ugh, i would have ended up choosing correctly in 3p lylo.

Profii was always the lynch for today.

That wasn’t even remotely where your posts were heading

you keep telling yourself that buddy.

I am pretty confident we could of bussed each other on the last day, if you holstered your vote and ame and FL took control of the day together and obviously EFN cleared FL so he would die leaving 1 of us plus you and Ame

We obviously win there

Even though Ame was fairly well town read on the most part I had no intention of suggesting we kill you because you were always a liability for town.


Town reads are just as important as scum reads and you need to work together with your town reads. FL was basically an IC and you still cant bring yourself to do it.


You need to have a word with yourself before you put any more words in this thread. I'm sorry but this is madness

[profii]

Hi I reviewed this game.

When scum get something like a voyeur is it intended to be used as a defence mechanism (so to speak)
I assume so, last time I did it my scum mates were like wtf but to me it means you can confidently do what you want if you can be sure you're in the clear so it's an obvious move

Scum voyeurs can have any number of reasons to be given.
It can be given to give them a safeclaim to slot into the prs of the game and seem like a role that can plausibly be town without overpowering the strength of the town.
It can be given to the scumteam to give them an insight into the nature of the power roles, to allow them to better setup spec.
It can be given to the scumteam to give them a weaker version of a rolecop, to let them more or less, with the right targets, get information which allows them to narrow in on the identity of the town's power roles.
And similar--so, yes, more defensive than anything else.

When the town equivalent of my PR flipped I was hella confused ha ha. Wasnt expecting that but I'm not setup expert.

The only time I've speculated well was when I claimed traffic analyst because I knew a hood existed. Still lost though

[profii]

I dont know how to take that

[profii]

I actually don’t think you were aggressive, I just think your play itself was poor this game based on you doing essentially less work than FlippyNips, especially in the later half of the game.

I had the game solved in my mind so there wasn’t much I needed to do.

I had germ/profli/bef/nips as my scum reads. with germ in the game I was only voting him so I couldn’t move on to actual scum.

You did have some good reads which was a mild concern but given your tendency to tunnel without compromise, in this case on a town slot, it's a fairly safe bet to keep you alive to end game

I think most players would probably start to think "why am I alive if I've caught scum"

I think most scum would consider "surely this guy is going to realise he is wrong and revaluate"

But when it comes to you, you are a scum players dream

[profii]

guys i'll lock the thread if you can't keep it civil

Were not being uncivil

I also agree

[profii]

Final post and I’m down. Want one last shot....... Robb you got USED by scum! That makes you a combo clown/troll/tool.

Alright I’m done.

One final congrats to scum for the win!
Flavor Leaf: I feel for ya. Seeing you go around in circles trying to figure out lylo was tough watching knowing the answer. You were soooo close to cracking it. Wish you got more help.

I had a feeling FL was playing me

He was never scum reading me right until the last minute when he committed on me and I think he wanted me to feel a false sense of security

That's the main reason I was ready to bus on the last day rather than totally commit to ending it

[profii]

I dont think I gave a case at all on alo

I basically just went "hes a bit weird, oh look he flipped scum, I can coast on this credit for a while "