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First

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Aw, dammit

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FIRST!

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RVS!

VOTE: EspressoJet

Dang, I got myself...

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I hate u

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I shouldn't have posted that. my bad. I am not going to get into the issues I have with you or your playstyle. this isn't the time or place.

/end subject.

If it helps, I think you're entitled to share your opinions

You really did nothing wrong, we're here to chat until we think we find scum

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Ay

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Foist

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Foist

Are you scum? Answer honestly or I’ll check you at night

Yes, you got me

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You don’t want to talk about scummates then? ): what a shame

Oh, sorry, I have this thing...

... you may never have heard of it...

It's called a

life

?

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Who are your scummates?

My mates are Flavor Leaf and His Majesty Lord High Emperor Flippynips

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I’ll lynch anyone

Well obviously I’m not going to vote myself.

We've got a waffler

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Wait, first!

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NO.

Second!

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AAAAAGH

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Not a waffler. I just have this rule about not playing against my win condition.

I should try that sometime

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Find some town

Who have you found?

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This is a lot of heavy analysis for page 8

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This is a lot of heavy analysis for page 8

But not enough either, right?

I mean, you're not wrong...

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After all how often are scum caught day 2-5 from posts they made in day one.

I've actually found scum in day 1 posts on day 3/4

But it's nearly impossible on day 1 itself

This is the year of hindsight

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Frst

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OK, at first Graintm (or whatever) didn't pop out as scummy in iso, especially not as much as some other people, but then at the end it started feeling strange

Quick reread

And it seems like nearly every post (read:95%) is defensive

There's lots of claims of not being good day 1, but that doesn't excuse trying

It appears we've either found some scum or been prodding a power role

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Bob, more than half of your posts involve Germ

Any relationship there?

Also, I'm not clear on your read in that slot either

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First

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Fuck

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First!

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FUCK

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I was chatting earlier before you buried it so obviously you

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I would

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I would

I actually thought mavsfan was one of the more townier players. Do you think he's scummy or is there some other reason?

I had that initial impression myself

Something about his recent posting is pinging my radar...

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Perhaps its the abundance of over-explaining

Or perhaps he's just thinking out loud too much

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Jake, who's the most obvtown player this game?

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Perhaps its the abundance of over-explaining

Or perhaps he's just thinking out loud too much

What do you think of the wagon bait & switch?

Could read that any way really

Trying to find scum & fishing for reactions

Or

Trying to look like active scumhunting & fishing for townreads

How do you feel about it?

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Wtf?! Did you read my role pm?

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What's the *?

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Hol up

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1st

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As much as I hate to say it;

We learn nothing from lynching a lurker today unless they flip scum

Which is statistically unlikely

Your assessment on Bob being active and posting is actually a valid reason to make this our day 1 lynch

Whatever the flip, we learn in retrospect

VOTE: Bob

May his sacrifice not be in vain

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Please no hammer until we get a claim, yeah?

Did I miss a claim? That happens

Bob, I would personally like a claim <3

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Welp

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@Mavs



@Jake & Una

OK guys, you had your fun already.
I wonder how everyone else would react, if I outed a guilty on one of you now?

how would you react if I outed a guilty on somebody?

I'll have none of this fake softclaim bullshit


@Egix

I'm planning to have a quick reread of the game this evening.

I look forward to the ensuing post


@His Majesty Lord High Emperor Flippynips

i sheep VOTE: espresso

Oh
My
God
You
Suck
VOTE: His Majesty Lord High Emperor Flippynips


@Una
What's your read on me? Do you have one?

Everyone else apart from you seems to have an opinion. Even Egix.


@Profii

Actually, I had three votes yesterday, geraintm, espresso, and geraintm. But that's alright.

You see something between espresso and geraintm?

Bumping this question

@Alo vera
How serious was your vote on me yesterday?


@FL & His Majesty Lord High Emperor Flippynips

flavor looks scummy, espressojet too, and now His Majesty Lord High Emperor Flippynips*

This is interesting.

^This is hilarious

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Did you see any scum in Bob or was that for information purposes?

I saw no more scum than in other people, but I didn't believe we were going to find anything better before bedtime

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Did you see any scum in Bob or was that for information purposes?

I saw no more scum than in other people, but I didn't believe we were going to find anything better before bedtime

That's just a weird answer. We had a lot of time left.

At least Flavor Leaf gave an answer.

We basically gave the same answer wtf?

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3

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2

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1

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And now for some hot sauce.

Germ/bef/profli/nips has all the scums.

Ooh, ooh, me too!!

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mavsfan41/Aloratom/profii/His Majesty Lord High Emperor flippyNips/geraintm/BrightEyedFish/Flavor Leaf/Egix96/Jake from State Farm/UnaBombaH

Has all the scums.

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Fuck, guys

Jake, take a lap

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First

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I still don't understand how I would be cleared

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This early in the day?

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Well

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You know what they say

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First

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So don’t insult my intelligence please

he's rather touchy over that so I would recommend not doing it.

other things are fair game. Dress sense, hair cut, having to have a mug with his own name on it so he doesn't forget, they are ok...

Don't be an asshole

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FL, EJ and Nippy, come on over to this wagon with Jake ans I. It's like rock climbing only better.

I was genuinely considering it

I still am

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just need three more votes and we can lynch germ. i don't know what else I can do to make this happen.

Do you really think Germ is flipping scum, or is this just personal at this point?

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If anyone had any doubts if Jake was town...


This is all rediculous. Al is an easy mislynch, and this little tiff is putting emotions before logic and screwing with deductive reasoning.

Let's put these on the backburner to cool off and boil a different pot

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I haven't seen a lot of discussion about Mavsfan. Una, whats your opinion there? I'd like to hear that

Jake, can you tell me your top null-reads right now?

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scum lynches are difficult. townie lynches are easy.

OK, cool

If this is your mentality then a strong clue would be to look and see the wagons, yeah?

This is the Bob lynch wagon:
bob3141 (7) ~ unabombah, profii, brighteyedfish, emperor flippynips, jake, espressojet, flavor leaf

Most recent Alo wagon:
aloratom (4) ~ geraintm, flavor leaf, profii, Egix96 (+Mavs into L-1)

By your logic, the Bob wagon was easier because scum is on it and the Alo wagon formed to protect Geraintm by scum

By your logic that pings profii and flavor leaf as scum.

It MUST be both, or your logic does not follow, as one single vote is not enough to make such a difference in wagons, yes?

Is that correct, Jake? Do you think Profii and Flavor Leaf are scum?

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On mobile rn so cant do the research atm

BS, I only post mobile

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Motherfucker took my pagetop

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Didn't even first it

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And now for some hot sauce.

Germ/bef/profli/nips has all the scums.

I think scum lie in this pool

OK, so, thus, Profii is confirmed scum to you?

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Assuming there is three scum

You have four examples

One of them is not scum

If Germ flips scum then Profii is scum, that makes sense

If Germ flips town then Profii is Town, which invalidates your rigid grouping from 200 posts ago

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Spoiler: Profii post

scum lynches are difficult. townie lynches are easy.

This is the Bob lynch wagon:
bob3141 (7) ~ unabombah,

profii

,

brighteyedfish

, emperor flippynips, jake, espressojet, flavor leaf

Most recent Alo wagon:
aloratom (4) ~

geraintm

, flavor leaf,

profii

, Egix96 (+Mavs into L-1)

Vote count 1.4

geraintm (5) ~

aloratom, bob3141, jake from state farm,

profii

, unabombah

espressojet (3) ~

espressojet, ejjinami, brighteyedfish

profii (1) ~

geraintm

aloratom (1) ~

egix96

bob3141 (1) ~

mavsfan41

not voting (2) ~

Emperor flippyNips, Flavor Leaf

with 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch

deadline:

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germ wagon was growing. Profli hopped off. BEF joins his buddy. germ stays off because scum don't like having all 3 on a wagon.

I kinda feel like if we lynch Ger and he flips town and that makes you re evaluate things that would be a good thing

If I'm wrong and Ger flips scum then hey ho we caught scum even if you will death tunnel me... someone can just cop me or whatever and we can move on


I can work with this I guess either way

That's a bit of a self-preservation mentality, isn't it?

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idk why I am wasting my time though. I am already over this game. If I am going to be accused of being anti-town I should actually start doing things. At least make the accusations correct

Chill, you're fine

I'm just trying to talk through your logic

Take a breather and come back when you're ready

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how can I be called anti-town for scum hunting and he is called town for not scum hunting?

I'm not sure where you're explicitly reading this, but I'm sure there's more to it than that. Tunnel vision is often read as scummy, and it's what you've been doing.

It's usually not WHAT you do, but HOW you do it that tips people off.

the thing I don't understand though is how can somebody town read a player who refused to scum hunt?

Town do scummy things

Scum do towny things

Nothing is black and white, and that's the nature of the game

You may not like the fact that he outright refused to scumhunt day 1, I certainly don't like the mentality, but that by no means guarantees that he is scum.

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@Geraintm

it's no longer day 1!

Hooray!!

Now that you can't use that excuse anymore, I would like a full list of all players. Top to bottom, scummiest to towniest

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Hey

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First

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Vote count?

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But next post is pagetop

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Onest

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Honestly what the fuck

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I can't see this ever getting resolved, can we replace Jake?

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Jake, I'd love to hear your thoughts on some of the other players in this game

Aside from Germ do you have a top 3 scummiest players?

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OK, I see your reads, but could you explain why those 4?

Also FL isn't on your list of scum reads, why would you want to lynch him?

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Let's ask him, shall we?

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Jake, was that a real claim?

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Jake I don't want to hear any more from you today

You keep saying "I'm done with this game" and coming back minutes later to post pages upon pages of text

Your emotions are severely clouding your judgement and the resulting outbursts are affecting this game for other people.

You may be 100% in the right, but others have moved on and we need you to move on as well

Please please please take the rest of the day offline and come back in tomorrow morning ready for discussion

Before you tell me that you are discussing, please remember that you ignored the following posts to instead continually remark on your standing with Germ:

OK, I see your reads, but could you explain why those 4?

Also FL isn't on your list of scum reads, why would you want to lynch him?

Jake, was that a real claim?

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Espresso -- your vote on Flippy was OMGUS, but he unvoted. Is it still OMGUS?

Now it's just there, I see no purpose in moving it at the moment

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Espresso what does flippy nips lack of activity say to you ?

He's not very confident in the game and he doesn't know how to contribute aside from not putting his foot in his mouth and getting mislynched *shrug*

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I think that BEF/Profli make the most sense as partners to germ. Nips also fits into that equation somewhat. They both voted germ day 1 but neither of them were serious votes (bef even with the fake hammer and also a quick vote of FL and then un-voting which looked like an attempt for a distraction)

The guy who was killed also tossed out the suggestion of a germ/profli connection and while it was kind of a throw away, it could have been motive enough to kill him.

All this is just based on my gut and what I have read, plus the fact there isn't anything germ has done to find scum. tbh profli and bef aren't really playing that well either.

as for FL, he is a dangerous player as scum, plus he hasn't really been scum hunting either. plus I don't like him very much

Correct, you did.

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How do you justify your claim?

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I meant this when I said it

@Jake & Una

OK guys, you had your fun already.
I wonder how everyone else would react, if I outed a guilty on one of you now?

how would you react if I outed a guilty on somebody?

I'll have none of this fake softclaim bullshit

You've gone and done it.

Twice.

I no longer trust nor value your opinion on any matter this game

Even after multiple attempts to give you another chance, you spout your ignorance and your misguided opinions, and continue to play against town objective.

I have a hard time believing that you are a 30 year old adult and not a 13 year old child.

you don't want to hear from me, then move on and talk to other people.

I'm officially done with you

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Does anyone aside from FlavorLeaf have a scumread on Mavsfan?

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Whoah, that's L-2

We get a claim?

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FUCK

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3rd

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I don’t want this day to end without alo, espresso, and flavor seriously doing something. I feel these guys aren’t doing much.

Hones in on lurkers

He’s on v/la. Don’t be a dick

Heavily defends the lurkiest player this game


Hmmmmm...
(PS there are other examples of this through the game)

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Jake has done nothing but attack people he feels threatened by

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But that's just me being annoyed, it probably is not scum-indicative

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Gera, I can get you a list tonight if you really want one?

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You play like shit, jake

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You play like shit, jake

First

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How has that been working out for you?

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You're fine, Geraintm

We just need Jake to shut up so we can actually get something done

Every time serious discussion starts up it gets buried under the pile of shit that Jake dumps page after page about you, me, or whatever his latest tunnel vision has set on.

For reference:
Jake from State farm: 345 posts
Second highest poster: 135 posts

I don't believe Jake is scum, but he's making this day damn easy for scum right now

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You play like shit, jake

Could we perhaps not? Thank you.

This was in response to this

if you play like shit, i'm going to call you on it.

In case you missed it

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I would very much like to move on

Please, Jake?

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leaving four currently alive people off of it, and I don't think all the scum were on the wagon.

That would be Egix, Mavsfan, Geraintm, and you

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Ej is intentionally provoking me

I would very much like to move on

Please, Jake?

Am I being bullied right now?

This is like middle school all over again

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leaving four currently alive people off of it, and I don't think all the scum were on the wagon.

That would be Egix, Mavsfan, Geraintm, and you

Correct.

You obviously don't count yourself

Which of the three do you think are scum?

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These last few days have, for me, pinged Geraintm and Mavsfan as town and Egix as scum

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Egix only pings me as scum because he doesn't ping me as town.

I'm getting strong town vibes from almost every player aside from Egix, His Majesty Lord High Emperor Flippynips, and a couple others

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It's not the most positive environment

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The other names are Flavor Leaf, who is true neutral, and profii which is a gut-read I cannot explain

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VOTE: Espresso
This is scum

How strongly do you believe this statement?

Gimme a %

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Germ is not scum

VOTE: Egix

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Let EJ answer for himself.

He didn’t say I can’t be scum.

^

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I’m fine with anyone at this point

I’m tempted to vote you also but I would never vote somebody boon was pushing.

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Push come to shove I’ll vote to lynch but I don’t understand the reason for it. I feel I’ve had better for germ or even ej

Both of these reads are people you feel personally offended by

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People who have not weighed in about egix:
-BEF
-Geraintm
-His Majesty Lord High Emperor Flippynips

I know it's the weekend, but the deadline is starting to close in and I don't want to have to lynch out of compromise

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The Aloratom wagon from yesterday had Egix, Ejinami, and Bob.

Don't forget, Geraintm is also on the list of people not riding

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... I don’t understand the reason for [Egix wagon]

Are you still dazed and confused?

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That’s not true. I’ve scum read germ since day 1. You, I’m just sick and tired of your lack of effort and I don’t see that coming from town.

Hilarious

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If Egix flips scum then I suggest we look into BEF

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Are we reading the same game?

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This isn't helpful

I need to stop replying to Jake

Someone hold me accountable please

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only hobby other than Mafia

Ooh, what is it?

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Thats just off by Profii

I concur

Who’s at l-1?

Are you serious?

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Second

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Dude.

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... Did Jake alt get un-banned?

Did we just lose our... Coplike?

If we fuck up one more time we're in MyLo it seems...

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And I just missed pagetop again

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This is not my game it seems

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It seems, it seems

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VOTE: Aloratom
If Aloratom is town, Gera/Profii is probably the team abusing my way off reads.

I'm going to sheep here

2 reasons:

Vote count 1.FINAL

bob3141 (7) ~

unabombah, profii, brighteyedfish, emperor flippynips, jake from state farm, espressojet, flavor leaf

aloratom (3) ~

egix96, ejjinami, bob3141

geraintm (1) ~

aloratom

flavor leaf (1) ~

geraintm

brighteyedfish (1) ~

mavsfan41

with 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-01 10:31:46)

mod notes:

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bob3141 has been lynched! he was a

Spoiler:

vanilla townie

deadline for night actions:

(expired on 2020-03-01 17:22:47)

please submit night actions to me by pm or pt, if you have one

1) Assuming not all scum on wagon at once, Aloe and Gera are the remaining two candidates from the day 1 lynch

2) 75% of the players killed during this game were 100% of the players on Aloe's wagon by the end of day 1

VOTE: Aloe

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The other 25% of the deceased were way too town for their own good.

If we have a protect role, Mavsfan was the obvious target

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Anyone buying this?

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One thing at a time, Robb

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I spot a nail.

Who has the hammer?

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First

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I think this clears Gera, Profii, and Flavor Leaf

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i kinda buy it

Fuck it.

UNVOTE: Aloratom

At least for now. How much time we have on deadline?

No. Keep your aim true.

If Alo flips scum I'm confident that Flippynips is a scumbuddy

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Don’t listen to anyone who hasn’t scum hunted in three days.

FUCK.

OFF.

Jake, if you don't shut up I'm going to die of a brain hemorrhage.

Spoiler: Bullshit fakeclaim

Alright, I'll claim. Loyal Doc. I was on Mavs Night 1 and Flavor Night 2.

I'm headed to the office. If there are any questions I'll answer when I get settled.

why those two?

Mavs was my strongest Town read Day 1, and the way Day 2 ended I figured if Egix flipped red, Flavor was likely onto something and would be a target.

I can't hunt it down right now, but I crumbed. Espresso Day 1 I think said something about Aloe Vera (me). I quoted and said something about Aloe Vera being healing.

Now I really have to go to the office.

why those two?

Mavs was my strongest Town read Day 1, and the way Day 2 ended I figured if Egix flipped red, Flavor was likely onto something and would be a target.

I can't hunt it down right now, but I crumbed. Espresso Day 1 I think said something about Aloe Vera (me). I quoted and said something about Aloe Vera being healing.

Now I really have to go to the office.

Following up on this, these posts are why I was on FL:

Gera, Jake, Espressojet, EFN, Alora are all town on the scum flip.

Profii was trying to get both Alo and Gera before claiming intent here for Egix, probably allowing him to claim to get out of a lynch.

Alo and Gera were the other suspects who could have possibly been wagon’d.

And this is Aloe Vera thing:

@espresso -- Aloe vera is healing.

I think when I voted you, you had had that vote on yourself for a long while, way past what seemed like a reasonable time for a joke vote, and I wanted to find out what was going on. But then geraintm tweaked me, and you weren't around anyway so I moved back to him.

Did you see any scum in Bob or was that for information purposes?

Why does Alo constantly say "gotta go" and keeps coming back to defend himself?

Why on EARTH would anyone townread FlavorLeaf for those quickly grabbed posts? 1360? Really??

Why would Alo make a defense for FlavorLeaf, yet nothing at all for Mavsfan?

Why would Alo make a strong, thought out defense for his reads in the first place???

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Alo flips red this game. If I'm wrong I'll inject COVID-19 directly into my eyes

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I think floppy's town, and possibly correct about Alora.

I don't think he defends a partner going down like that if he were scum

You and I both know that Floppy isn't experienced enough to know better

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He's even been the highest poster in some of them.

He did a JK Gambit if I remember correctly In a newbie game as scum

Oh that's actually awesome, I take it all back

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YOU'RE INCESSANT

LEAVE ME ALONE

PLEASE

I HAVE ASKED YOU SO MANY TIMES

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PASSIVE AGGRESSION IS STILL AGGRESSION

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hasn’t scum hunted in three days.

This is a factual statement about you.

ARE YOU BLIND?

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I'm fucking done

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Lynch Alo today

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When he flips scum, doctor or jail keeper or whatever we have please protect me

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@mod V/LA until 3/16

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Jake. If you're scum, well played

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It is what it is now. Just want this game to be over.

Then vote Alo

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You'd think, if Alo was town at l-1, scum would have lynched the doctor by now...

Hmmmmm....

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Assuming Alo is scum

Scum very likely not on wagon

That leaves:
-Una (who has mocked me a little too much for my read, very scummy imho)
-Robbnva (who I could not believe is feasibly scum with this much toxicity)
-BEF
-Flippynips

My bet is on the remaining 2/3 being Una+Flippy/BEF leaning flippy

Please, Robb. I know we've had disagreements, but if you truly are town, scum won't lynch scum, we need your vote. I'm asking you to take a risk that could solve the game right now

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Can't say I didn't try

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OK. Fuck this.

I'm the Doctor

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I've done my analysis

Good luck have fun

Alo - BEF - Una

See y'all in endgame chat

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Aloratom with the quick damage control

Town is stupid enough this game that you probably could've gotten me lynched if you tried hard enough

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Ah well. Spent the whole game trying to fly under the radar and not get night killed like I usually do

Probably could've worked if not for Jake

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Jake not only hindered my objective, but made me personally feel like shit the entirety of this game.

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I said you played like shit

You have personally said multiple times that attacking people's play is part of the game

So

You play like shit

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I said 'leave me alone' and you bullied me

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I said 'please stop' and you insulted me

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Peace

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Lol

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BAH