Mini 637: Xyl's Smalltown Plus - Game Over

[Alabaska J]

/confirm.

Hey icemanE!

[Alabaska J]

hi pure, unadulterated mediocrity

This should be a fun game

[Alabaska J]

Question for everyone: can I target myself?

No.

[Alabaska J]

/confirm. The Human F*cking Shield is here!

Is this saying you are having sexual intercourse with an inanimate object?

[Alabaska J]

Just noticed pwnz is here. I get to witness his triumphant return!

[Alabaska J]

armlx and charter, two of my buds.

I'll give them a heads up.

[Alabaska J]

whoops my bad. pwnz it is.

[Alabaska J]

charter misinterprets hasdgfas horribly, but then brings up a very relevant point in the process. Hmmm. I think we already left random voting.

Also, need it even be said that I agree with armlx here? Sheesh I agree with everything next to your name almost.

[Alabaska J]

I missed Rule 2 then.

Vote Charter

Are you serious?

Also,

vote: cerebus3

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Opportunistic early leap on icemanE's wagon looks like distancing IMO.

Also, as armlx has pointed out, icemanE is NOT the lynch.

Neither is charter, btw.

[Alabaska J]

vote cerebus3

. Whatever. I like saying also. :/

[Alabaska J]

I think we should go for a big day one.

If any of the daykill roles are scum that don't like their targets, it's lose-lose, as they either lose a partner or out themselves and their partner.

[Alabaska J]

Yeah, smalltown acts as more of a chat game than a mafia game in a a way because it is so ability-based. The best things we have going for us as the town are our abilities.

Also, Crazy, I would rather icemanE SB than be lynched, as we can possibly have him take out a buddy.

Also, does anyone else think Crazy should tell us if he has a secret ability? That could potentially fuck up the plans that have been posted so far.

[Alabaska J]

If the SB refuses to kill someone, then we have two scum and we win. I could live with that.

If he kills elsewhere, then it is a one-for-one trade, another thing I can live with.

Also, if we wait for the SB, a mis-bomb is even worse than it is now, and could give the scum a victory if bomber and target are town.

I really think lynching icemanE is not a good idea. If we think he is scummy enough to kill him, why not have him kill himself?

Also, if we go by armlx's six death plan, the random SB should be armlx just in case he is scum trying to manipulate the town in this case. That's just my opinion, though.

[Alabaska J]

charter, I have a bad habit of answering other people questions if I know the answer and the question is obviously not placed to draw out needed content/to scumhunt with the answer.

Also, while it increases the chance we hit scum (assuming we don't hit one today), that doesn't make my point any less important.

Also, I just thought of something that I'm not going to reveal b/c it might be detrimental to the town but moves me towards favoring icemanE's lynch if we don't do the six-man-plan instead of giving him the SB.

[Alabaska J]

Warning: Empking always makes odd posts like that even when he is town. I'll post a link to the game I played with him where he was town and acted a bit like this if I can find it.

Nominate icemanE for The One Who Is SB'd

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[Alabaska J]

Why not just poison him today and I use my SB tomorrow? A Day 2 extra lynch will be much more useful than a Day 1 extra lynch.

Better info for the lynch today is a plus.

[Alabaska J]

I don't think Empking understands the setup. I give all people the benefit of the doubt if they say something that stupid.

EMPKING: THE ROLES ARE RANDOMLY ASSIGNED TO PEOPLE, AS ARE THE ALIGNMENTS. YOUR ROLE AND YOUR ALIGNMENT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER WHATSOEVER.

[Alabaska J]

Oh, yeah, the latest reason I don't like icemanE is him trying to defend himself with role info.

As for how many kills today, I vote for as many as possible. More pro-town kills is like pushing the game towards nightless.

SB icemanE, poison Empking (partly for irony's sake) and lynch armlx because we are using his plan (if he is scum and this works to a degree we don't want him scooting by based on this).

That's my opinion anyway.

[Alabaska J]

icemanE: This is why I think we should lynch armlx today and go through with his plan. Just in case he is scum trying to carpet bomb the shit out of this game as scum.

[Alabaska J]

icemanE: This is why I think we should lynch armlx today and go through with his plan. Just in case he is scum trying to carpet bomb the shit out of this game as scum.

I agree with your logic in your post - I also think it's obvious that you're town this game considering the difference between your play here and in the newbie game we played in together where you were scum.

I disagree with your kill choices other than armlx, though. I think we should utilize poisoner today and do a regular lynch, and consider whether or not we even want the SB to use his power at all.

I would assume you would disagree with the kill choice of the SB, but why do you not like killing Empking?

Also, man I played bad in that game (although, to be fair, my partner should have believed my cop investigation instead of trying to bus me when I claimed. Seriously, muffin was this close to believing me and then he pops in and busses me :/)

[Alabaska J]

As for how many kills today, I vote for as many as possible. More pro-town kills is like pushing the game towards nightless.

This is an excellent post.

As for how many kills today, I vote for as many as possible. More pro-town kills is like pushing the game towards nightless.

WTF? The more kills that occur today, the more townies will die, period. Chances are obviously immensely better based on odds alone that more townies will die than scum - your suggestion is basically to carpetbomb the shit out of this game until we happen to kill scum, and in the process kill a bunch of townies.

This is horrendous misrepresentation.

I'd be happy with an icemanE SB/lynch/poisoning, but I really want empking to think for a second about what he's saying.

[Alabaska J]

And Alabaska, lynching me for proposing the plan amounts to "Too Townie".

I don't care. I think it is worth the precaution.

[Alabaska J]

Poisoner, do you have a secret ability?

[Alabaska J]

Also - the scum's main weapon is misleading the town into making poor decisions.

This is equivalent to saying the town's best weapon is scumhunting.

At first glance, these things look fine, but they aren't weapons, so stop trying to make everything armlx says look wonky.

[Alabaska J]

Also - the scum's main weapon is misleading the town into making poor decisions.

This is equivalent to saying the town's best weapon is scumhunting.

At first glance, these things look fine, but they aren't weapons, so stop trying to make everything armlx says look wonky.

Scumhunting and lynch go hand-in-hand in terms of power for the town.

Lynches are useless - Indeed, dangerous - without scumhunting.

Scumhunting is useless without the lynch.

You missed my point completely. Please read the post and think about it.

[Alabaska J]

I don't see whats wrong with that.

What I see is wrong with it is that it doubles our chances to be wrong without doubling our chances to be right. The SB isn't going to kill another scum. So the most we can kill with the SB is one scum - why would we want to risk losing two townies for the chance of killing at maximum one scum?

Why wouldn't we want to do that AND STILL HAVE A LYNCH THAT CAN GET US ANOTHER SCUM BEFORE THEY GET A KILL

Jumpin' Jehovah's Witnesses, Batman! This cow just does not understand that all town kills

do not necessarily hit scum

!

This is, of course, ignoring the fact that our two "extra lynches" may not necessarily be town controlled, either.

ITP we learn that ZombieSlayer does not know the definition of the word "can."

[Alabaska J]

Also, cerebus, wanna give reasons why I should die? I'm just gonna assume you are being OMGUS-y for the moment.

[Alabaska J]

Also, armlx, knowing if the poisoner has a secret ability is very relevant, as we could get seriously screwed if something wonky happens.

[Alabaska J]

By that logic, we should just non-stop no lynch until LyLo as it thins the crowd even more. By arguing that it is better to not utilize as many pro-town kills as is possible, you should agree with the statement that doctors shouldn't protect randomly as it hurts the town's info flow.

Wow. No. This is ridiculous, and very typical of what I saw in the Eclipse game - trying to tie my ideas in with other trash you generate to make what I'm saying seem stupid by association.

OBVIOUSLY PRO-TOWN KILLS ARE BENEFICIAL TO THE TOWN. What I'm saying is that CHANCES ARE VERY GOOD THAT MOST OF THE KILLS WE MAKE TODAY ARE NOT GOING TO BE PROTOWN IF WE JUST GUN DOWN AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE ON DAY ONE. Say we follow the high body count plan - and we screw it up, which is just as likely as killing even ONE of the scum - in fact, it's more likely we'll screw it up that not based on odds - that leaves us quite near lylo on day 2. What then? I already know you'll be making one mistake for sure if you go ahead with Alabaska and armlx's plan, so I can't possibly envision this being a good idea. I think utilizing the poisoner as well as the lynch is a BONUS KILL, but using the SB to kill two MORE people is OVERKILL.

how is it overkill to kill off the people we find most suspicious before the mafia gets a chance to NK some of us?

Because it is hard to be sure of someone's scuminess on Day 1.

We need more information before using stuff like suicide bombers.

Poisoners I am semi-fine with using right now.

SBs? Hell no.

Right, but if we get rid of the scummy people Day 1, we'll have better chances later if we happened to screw up today.

I would prefer not screwing up at all.

And I'd like to be a lesbian pornstar.

[Alabaska J]

And what I (and I presume Iceman) has been trying to say is that you do not know we are killing scum.

That is true of ANY lynch without cop results that are somehow confirmed.

Fixed.

Please try not to make six consecutive posts. Put what you want to say into one post.

[Alabaska J]

Ok seriously I think Empking needs to be killed today somehow because if he isn't scum somehow he is gonna seriously fuck with us later.

[Alabaska J]

Sorry for the double posting but I kinda got ambushed there.

If I keep this up, I might as well start doing this:

AJ

[Alabaska J]

Why?

He wants to go along with your plan and lynch you for suggesting the plan. Since he is going along with the plan, he obviously thinks that it is the most pro-town thing to do today, so that means he wants to lynch the guy who suggested (what he thinks) the most pro-town plan. How is that not scummy?

This means you just don't understand what I am trying to say here. I think we might fall into the trap of letting armlx run the town later on, especially if this plan works, and just in case he is scum trying to steer the town here I would like to have a fail-safe implemented.

Poisoner, do you have a secret ability?

I hope I don't have to explain why this post is scummy.

Yes you do. I find nothing scummy about it whatsoever.

oh, and if IcemanE is scum, I am 100% positive that Alabaska is his scum buddy.

icemanE: This is why I think we should lynch armlx today and go through with his plan. Just in case he is scum trying to carpet bomb the shit out of this game as scum.

I agree with your logic in your post - I also think it's obvious that you're town this game considering the difference between your play here and in the newbie game we played in together where you were scum.

I disagree with your kill choices other than armlx, though. I think we should utilize poisoner today and do a regular lynch, and consider whether or not we even want the SB to use his power at all.

I think it is safe to assume at least 1 scum supported the plan. That is probably the best way to avoid being targeted as people decide who needs to die, it is quick townie points if one of their scum buddies dies, and it is something that they can talk about other than doing real scum hunting. Going off of this idea, Alabaska is by far the scummiest player in support of the plan.

Since IcemanE is going to be SB'd today, we need votes on Alabaska.

unvote, vote: Alabaska J

First off, supported? Odd choice of word there. Second off, you are using basically

the exact same reasoning to vote me as I am to get armlx lynched today, WHICH YOU SAID WAS EXTREMELY SCUMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MAJOR contradiction there IMO.

My vote is fine where it is. armlx can be tomorrow I suppose, if we have one.

My proposal:

SB icemanE
Poison Empking
Lynch cerebus3
Day2 lynch armlx, poison whomever we need to (if we still have the poisoner)

If we have no poisoner and obvscum day two, armlx's lynch (basically policy anyway) can be put on hold.

[Alabaska J]

Ok seriously I think Empking needs to be killed today somehow because if he isn't scum somehow he is gonna seriously fuck with us later.

So not only do you support lynching on false logic, you also support policy lynching players too?

They are both policy lynches, actually.

Do you support letting Empking live?

[Alabaska J]

Yes you do. I find nothing scummy about it whatsoever.

Do you ask people to just claim spontaneously in normal games Alabaska?

What if the poisoner had some secret ability that ended up hurting the town immensely when he tried to kill?

[Alabaska J]

Um, well then the poisoner should tell us. You agreed with me. I don't see where I'm wrong here…

[Alabaska J]

Um, well then the poisoner should tell us. You agreed with me. I don't see where I'm wrong here…

why should he tell us, alabaska? I don't see any town reason to.

If it possibly interferes with our plans, he should.

[Alabaska J]

Alabaska, you clearly haven't thought very much about this situation...
If he's town he would tell us if it could benefit the town. If it is of more benefit to the town that it's kept secret from the mafia, he wouldn't tell us. If he's scum he isn't going to help the town.

Now, he's already said he's not revealing it, so why are you pushing it, when it is clearly not of benefit to the town?

I did not know he was not revealing it until two posts ago. Where did he say he wasn't revealing it earlier?

[Alabaska J]

Gotcha. Well that sure does make me look stupid.

[Alabaska J]

Crazy, can you just SB icemanE alreadY?

If there us anyone here who has a reason why these two should not be together, post now or forever hold your peace.

[Alabaska J]

Suicide Bomb: Cerebus3

WHAT THE HELL.

Not that I necessarily disagree with your choice but I thought we decided on icemanE.

[Alabaska J]

icemanE should SB Empking.

[Alabaska J]

Ah.

Well, that makes me want icemanE to SB more and more.

Or well wait. Could this mean icemanE is scum too?

Shit, that would me that the scum get the daykills. SHIT

[Alabaska J]

I am an idiot who didn't read rule 4. Please point at me and laugh.

[Alabaska J]

Still mad at icemanE for deviating and bombing me :X but still a fun game nonetheless.