Mini 637: Xyl's Smalltown Plus - Game Over

[hasdgfas]

/cownfirm

Hi Xyl, hi icemanE, hi pure, unadulterated mediocrity

[hasdgfas]

Mod:

Does suicide bombing end the day?

No.

[hasdgfas]

Mod:

You say there's an arbitrary deadline. Is there a minimum time for that?

Expect around 1 week per 2-3 living players, but no promises.

[hasdgfas]

So I was thinking about some strategies here, and I was wondering what other people thought about just having the suicide bomber bomb the most suspicious person so we get the equivalent of two lynches.

[hasdgfas]

vote hasdgfas

for trying to kill two people at random (which is idiotic).

vote: charter

for complete misrepresentation of what I'm saying.

And who is to decide the "most suspicious person"?

The town, obviously. Like I said, it's like getting two lynches. Or, more technically, getting two days in one since the SB dies also.

[hasdgfas]

So I was thinking about some strategies here, and I was wondering what other people thought about just having the suicide bomber bomb the most suspicious person so we get the equivalent of two lynches.

Well, we don't know if the SB is town do we?

No...
What are you trying to say?

[hasdgfas]

ooh, and we have a poisoner. We could conceivably kill the 3 most suspicious people today.

[hasdgfas]

In case you didn't notice (or just chose to ignore it) I corrected myself. Nice jumpy vote back onto me though.

oh, are you talking about this?

Ehhh, I suppose it's just one at random, but still, suggesting that before anyone has posted makes me think you are just trying to kill off people as fast as you can.

Sorry, no, not buying that as correcting yourself. You're still not getting what I'm saying.

[hasdgfas]

Please no one listen to hasajhdkhfkj yet... His trying to off as many people as possible after this day has been up for what, an hour, is dumb to jump right into.

charter: what I'm trying to do is get the town to realize that we have lots of tools at our disposal to get rid of scum before we have a night and they can start killing off people.

[hasdgfas]

Well, hey, while we're at it, lets SB someone now, let the backup role guy inherit the SB role and we can kill off 5 people today!! Lets try and find some way to just lose day one and set the record for worst town ever!!

Dude, you're not getting it. I'm not saying kill them off at random. If the town discusses and finds the most suspicious people, then we can use all our kills to get rid of as much of the mafia as we can before they can kill us off.

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has, the flaw is unlike normal random viggings the "vig" doesn't have a target pool of 1 less person then the set up when he "vigs" the SB.

I don't quite understand what you're saying here.

Mafia games are won all the time by just lynching scum. If we miss with the SB that could potentially be the same as a mislynch then NK. Essentially losing us a day. I'm saying that I think it will be better to just conventionally scumhunt. Plus, if Crazy is scum, there's no way he would SB someone...

And if the SB hits scum, we've killed scum and gained another lynch. I'm not saying we shouldn't scumhunt. I want us to scumhunt and find those who are scummy. I'm just saying we don't only have lynches, and I want people to remember that.

[hasdgfas]

Question for mod:

As "super bacjup", will I assume the role of suicide bomber if he kills himself?

We should think about how to utilize my role as best we can. What role would be most useful for us to have two of? It almost makes sense to me to take our chances and lynch the role we think it would be worth having another of so we don't waste our chance for a duplicate of that role on a NK. What do you think?

I think that is a really scummy suggestion. You want to get rid of the role we think we should have another of to give it to you? We don't know your alignment. You could be scum wanting the town to give the most useful power role to you so the scum are uber powerful. I don't like it.

FoS: icemanE

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Hasdfgas also seemed far too eager at the start to have the SB kill in Day 1.

It started out as a question of what other people thought of it, in case you missed that.

Honestly, I want more discussion than just one day of discussion for us to start using our day abilities left and right. Especially the SB, since we will not know whether or not we hit scum with him, and then that will be two dead townies instead of one dead townie and one dead scum. And then, of course, if iceman is scum (Which I am heavily inclined towards right now) he can choose to be SB, and then kill yet another townie. He might be dead, sure, but with all this killing already going on, I doubt it would make little difference. Especially since, in this scenario, the poisoner would probably be using his ability, presumably on townies, as well. Dead townies all over the place. Just not my kind of game.

That's why we're talking about who to use the abilities on, ZS. We're not "using them left and right", we're going to discuss who all we find scummy, and try to be rid of them.

[hasdgfas]

The problem with just poisoning is that the poison death happens at the

end

of the day, so we have to lynch someone else without finding the alignment of the poisoned one.

[hasdgfas]

Dayvig: IcemanE

I think IcemanE might be a good kill for today for the reasons stated by others but I think an unblockable dayvig whose target is hidden from us until we lynch is too powerful to be alive just incase he's scum.

why are you still on that? You're trying to kill him just based on his role. We're not supposed to be doing that. Has he done anything scummy, emp? Because that would make a better argument than "oh, he's a poisoner,

if

he's scum, he'll be bad for us.

[hasdgfas]

Vote: wolframnhart

I really don't like the idea of a dayvig who might be scum.

On the other hand, I do quite like the "kill a lot on day 1" plan though six deaths on day 1 would be a bit too much, four seems a bit much.

I think the "kill a good role so I can take it" was more of a moment of idiocy rather than a scum tell but I'm not sure if it was a town moment or scum moment.

So you would vote me, out of the other dayvigs? Kinda random there since there are worse potential killers.

This post leads me to think that he's purpousely mislead the town in order to stay alive and since we're not at lynch or loose it seems to me to be a scum like move.

No. Try again.

vote: empking

[hasdgfas]

As for how many kills today, I vote for as many as possible. More pro-town kills is like pushing the game towards nightless.

This is an excellent post.

As for how many kills today, I vote for as many as possible. More pro-town kills is like pushing the game towards nightless.

WTF? The more kills that occur today, the more townies will die, period. Chances are obviously immensely better based on odds alone that more townies will die than scum - your suggestion is basically to carpetbomb the shit out of this game until we happen to kill scum, and in the process kill a bunch of townies.

This is horrendous misrepresentation.

I'd be happy with an icemanE SB/lynch/poisoning, but I really want empking to think for a second about what he's saying.

[hasdgfas]

By that logic, we should just non-stop no lynch until LyLo as it thins the crowd even more. By arguing that it is better to not utilize as many pro-town kills as is possible, you should agree with the statement that doctors shouldn't protect randomly as it hurts the town's info flow.

Wow. No. This is ridiculous, and very typical of what I saw in the Eclipse game - trying to tie my ideas in with other trash you generate to make what I'm saying seem stupid by association.

OBVIOUSLY PRO-TOWN KILLS ARE BENEFICIAL TO THE TOWN. What I'm saying is that CHANCES ARE VERY GOOD THAT MOST OF THE KILLS WE MAKE TODAY ARE NOT GOING TO BE PROTOWN IF WE JUST GUN DOWN AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE ON DAY ONE. Say we follow the high body count plan - and we screw it up, which is just as likely as killing even ONE of the scum - in fact, it's more likely we'll screw it up that not based on odds - that leaves us quite near lylo on day 2. What then? I already know you'll be making one mistake for sure if you go ahead with Alabaska and armlx's plan, so I can't possibly envision this being a good idea. I think utilizing the poisoner as well as the lynch is a BONUS KILL, but using the SB to kill two MORE people is OVERKILL.

how is it overkill to kill off the people we find most suspicious before the mafia gets a chance to NK some of us?

[hasdgfas]

You fail to realize that the scum's main weapon to win is night kills while ours is the lynch. How is maximizing ours while minimizing theirs a bad thing?

Also - the scum's main weapon is misleading the town into making poor decisions.

And we will be minimizing our chances for success and killing townies needlessly if we just bomb the hell out of the whole thing.

but you don't know that we're killing townies, ice, that's the thing. We're killing the most suspicious people. I'd rather have them dead early than be confusing us later when it's more stressful.

[hasdgfas]

I don't see whats wrong with that.

What I see is wrong with it is that it doubles our chances to be wrong without doubling our chances to be right. The SB isn't going to kill another scum. So the most we can kill with the SB is one scum - why would we want to risk losing two townies for the chance of killing at maximum one scum?

Why wouldn't we want to do that AND STILL HAVE A LYNCH THAT CAN GET US ANOTHER SCUM BEFORE THEY GET A KILL

[hasdgfas]

Oh, yeah, the latest reason I don't like icemanE is him trying to defend himself with role info.

As for how many kills today, I vote for as many as possible. More pro-town kills is like pushing the game towards nightless.

Once again, presuming all kills will be pro-town.

Why did this have to be thrown in?

[hasdgfas]

My answer is just the lynch and poisoner. My reason for not wanting to SB today is that I flat out don't trust iceman to do anything with his SB other than kill the most useful townie role (watcher/tracker in my opinion). You guys keep saying that we should SB then let him SB someone else. How do you know he's going to go through with it?!?!?!?

I've already told you SEVERAL times that if given the oppurtunity to assume the SB role, I would decline it.

Oh, yeah, the latest reason I don't like icemanE is him trying to defend himself with role info.

How and why is this a bad thing? You either have some personal problem with me or you're scum again this game. I also don't understand how armlx is allowed to cruise by making two line posts without growing any moss, especially when he advocates high body counts based on pretty loose info. I mean look at this for Christ's sake:

As for how many kills today, I vote for as many as possible. More pro-town kills is like pushing the game towards nightless.

WTF? The more kills that occur today, the more townies will die, period. Chances are obviously immensely better based on odds alone that more townies will die than scum - your suggestion is basically to carpetbomb the shit out of this game until we happen to kill scum, and in the process kill a bunch of townies.

@Armlx - do you really think Crazy is scum or do you just want the SB to use his ability?

This post makes me think that either armlx is scum, or iceman is scum. I heavily doubt both can be scum at this point. Leaning towards armlx, though.

FoS: ZS

Please explain why you think armlx is scum over ice

[hasdgfas]

By that logic, we should just non-stop no lynch until LyLo as it thins the crowd even more. By arguing that it is better to not utilize as many pro-town kills as is possible, you should agree with the statement that doctors shouldn't protect randomly as it hurts the town's info flow.

Wow. No. This is ridiculous, and very typical of what I saw in the Eclipse game - trying to tie my ideas in with other trash you generate to make what I'm saying seem stupid by association.

OBVIOUSLY PRO-TOWN KILLS ARE BENEFICIAL TO THE TOWN. What I'm saying is that CHANCES ARE VERY GOOD THAT MOST OF THE KILLS WE MAKE TODAY ARE NOT GOING TO BE PROTOWN IF WE JUST GUN DOWN AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE ON DAY ONE. Say we follow the high body count plan - and we screw it up, which is just as likely as killing even ONE of the scum - in fact, it's more likely we'll screw it up that not based on odds - that leaves us quite near lylo on day 2. What then? I already know you'll be making one mistake for sure if you go ahead with Alabaska and armlx's plan, so I can't possibly envision this being a good idea. I think utilizing the poisoner as well as the lynch is a BONUS KILL, but using the SB to kill two MORE people is OVERKILL.

how is it overkill to kill off the people we find most suspicious before the mafia gets a chance to NK some of us?

Because it is hard to be sure of someone's scuminess on Day 1.

We need more information before using stuff like suicide bombers.

Poisoners I am semi-fine with using right now.

SBs? Hell no.

Right, but if we get rid of the scummy people Day 1, we'll have better chances later if we happened to screw up today.

[hasdgfas]

I would really rather us not use any kills (besides lynches) unil we have good information."

The only problem is ZS that if we did just a lynch today the mafia members wil more then likely kill off one of the dayvigs so they wouldnt be able to use their powers against them the next day, either that or kill off a protective role depending on what they think is the greatest threat.

:goodposting:

[hasdgfas]

Yes you do. I find nothing scummy about it whatsoever.

Do you ask people to just claim spontaneously in normal games Alabaska?

What if the poisoner had some secret ability that ended up hurting the town immensely when he tried to kill?

Then if he's town, he would have claimed it already, and if he's scum, he wouldn't claim it anyway. I don't see what you're getting at.

[hasdgfas]

Um, well then the poisoner should tell us. You agreed with me. I don't see where I'm wrong here…

why should he tell us, alabaska? I don't see any town reason to.

[hasdgfas]

Everything he posts has a scum tell in it. You're entitled to your opinion but its wrong.

well, could you point them out instead of just making comments that everyone else thinks are wrong?

[hasdgfas]

I know the game is moving fast, but you have yet to comment on anybody's alignment yet.

What a stupid thing to say. How would my guess on an individual's alignment be any better then your own, or every one else's here for that matter?

Mod, sorry for the double post, but I didn't see this before.


pwnz, what are you talking about? Everyone's guesses as to people's alignments are their own. You might find something that the rest of us hadn't that finds someone as much more scummy than we thought them before. Plus, that's mafia, finding alignments.

[hasdgfas]

Suicide Bomb: Alabaska J

I was right about crazy. Hopefully I'm right here too. Good luck town.

good work, ice, since we had decided on empking. Gah.

[hasdgfas]

I think we should lynch/poison Emp/{ZS, pwnz}

[hasdgfas]

Happy to see one scum go down, but in the process we lost three townies, and I really hate the fact the jail keeper went down.

This is a clear cut case of trying to look pro-town without actually doing anything pro-town.

In the rest of his posts, he seems to be allergic from actually trying to do any scum hunting at all.

although the first point isn't terrible, the second one is again, not backed up by anything. Emp, please start actually showing us when you accuse people.

[hasdgfas]

Unvote Empking, Vote Armlx

I support the idea that we should kill the person who suggested the mass killings.

unvote, vote: ZS

[hasdgfas]

Ok I've actually read all of the 15 pages and I would've voted armlx even if my predecessor didn't, besides from the mass-killing plan, armlx gives off a scummy vibe, ... just appearing too comprehensive sometimes, cautious too.

Posts? Proof? Please?

I'm also not liking hasf... for some reason. I'll read thru his individual posts.

... okay I've read hasf...'s individual posts in this game, he seems very defensive of armlx for some reason, even when armlx isn't really under heat, so it can't be scum buddying up to a townie (since armlx wasn't even under pressure).

armlx today and if he flips scum, i'm gunning for hasf's milky arse tmr

half of that is because I haven't seen him acting like scum, the other half is that people are blaming him for what started out as my plan, killing all the scummy people today.

[hasdgfas]

Happy to see one scum go down, but in the process we lost three townies, and I really hate the fact the jail keeper went down.

This is a clear cut case of trying to look pro-town without actually doing anything pro-town.

In the rest of his posts, he seems to be allergic from actually trying to do any scum hunting at all.

although the first point isn't terrible, the second one is again, not backed up by anything. Emp, please start actually showing us when you accuse people.

You want me to quote every single post he's posted?

If that's what it takes for you to make your point and back it up, yes.

The point of the matter is is that we essentially agreed on a plan that we would lynch you because you were the one who proposed the mass killings. I was in opposition to this, but simply because I was in opposition to the mass killings. Now that they have happened despite my protests, it sincerely looks like the best course of action.

Why the hell are you people getting on me for doing something you agreed upon?!

I never agreed to that plan. Who did?

[hasdgfas]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=350

Their a link.

That's a link to this page.

[hasdgfas]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=350

Their a link.

That's a link to this page.

Yes on on this page their are some magic things that let people see all the posts by a certain person.

you can also link to a specific post to show us something in particular.

[hasdgfas]

FoS: pwnz

Voting history? Seriously? I can't believe that's the only reason you have for voting at this point in the game. I mean, seriously. So much has happened

[hasdgfas]

I can prove it, just not the way you want me to prove it.

Then do so.

I still advocate not planning them out in thread.

^^

There is also no reason not to use your night ability tonight.

Go to the place where it say all users - click on his name anfd press go.

The onus of proof is on you, Empking. You can't expect us all to see what you see just by looking through his posts. You have to show us what you see.

[hasdgfas]

Put that all together and we are left with one Mafia vote on charter at the very beginning of the game, which could honestly mean anything.

Mafia will sometimes vote for other members of the mafia early in the game in order to remove suspicion.

Your case on charter self contradicts within 1 paragraph. Nice.

wait a second. Please explain how that contradicts.

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wait a second. Please explain how that contradicts.

He first states that there is no way to reason out the vote, then ascribes a meaning to it.

Hmm, I have my own thoughts, but I want wolf to defend himself before I say anything.

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wait a second. Please explain how that contradicts.

He first states that there is no way to reason out the vote, then ascribes a meaning to it.

Hmm, I have my own thoughts, but I want wolf to defend himself before I say anything.

What does wolf have to defend against?

You saying it contradicts. I want wolf to respond to it.

[hasdgfas]

You saying it contradicts. I want wolf to respond to it.

That was in response to a comment made by pwnz actually, but ok.

pwnz then. Why did I think it was wolf?

[hasdgfas]

Zombie, aggressiveness isn't a scumtell. You have to be aggressive to find scum.

[hasdgfas]

I still like my vote on ZS.

[hasdgfas]

ZS: Could you explain what you see as insignificant and how you can claim anything is insignificant in a mafia game?

[hasdgfas]

ZS: Could you explain what you see as insignificant and how you can claim anything is insignificant in a mafia game?

By "insignificant" I mean the way Armlx goes after posts where the words are not completely clear, because of unfortunate positioning, or some other reason, and then acts like it is the most massive scumtell in the entire game.

Something can be insignificant when it has no real bearing on the game, but people make it out to be overly important.

how can you say something has no real bearing on the game? Isn't this a game of words? Why shouldn't we be held accountable for everything we say?

I'm also seeing a Chainsaw defense, Tar style coming from ZS, who is defending pwnz by attacking armlx with craplogic

[hasdgfas]

Chainsaw defense, Tarhalindur style

[hasdgfas]

Well, I think I criticized armlx for his suggesting of the whole "Kill as many people as possible" plan before I started defending pwnz.

I think that nullifies at least one half of the tell check, or whatever you want to call it.

I suggested that freaking plan, ZS. Why does everyone think it's armlx?

[hasdgfas]

I don't think it was armlx that proposed it, but I have read back and yes ZS does continually criticize armlx for the plan, at the very least being apart of it.

I would like part of my answer to armlx earlier post to be answered by ZS though. If we had gotten more scum kills out of the dayvig power usage so far, would you still be trying to lynch the person who brought up the plan, or would you be happy with it and trying to find a different person you thought was scum? Also, aside from the "overly-aggressiveness" and the "plan" do you think that armlx is scum for any other reason, or for just those two reasons?

I would still be trying to lynch the person armlx, even if we got more scum kills.

Just those two reasons.

And armlx: I still like the insurance, no matter what.

ZS: Why do you keep ignoring the fact that I came up with the plan, and keep going after armlx for it when it wasn't his plan?

[hasdgfas]

In other news:

L-1. Good time to claim, right?

I am secretly a cop.

results?

[hasdgfas]

In other news:

L-1. Good time to claim, right?

I am secretly a cop.

results?

There was no night phase, in case you forgot.

Oh believe me, I knew there was no night phase when I asked that question.

[hasdgfas]

unvote

while I'm thinking about it.

[hasdgfas]

Wow he's a very powerful investigative role. (Presuming he's telling the truth.) I definately don't think he should be lynched just in case.

ZS, would you answer pwnz question.

even if he's telling the truth, he could still be scum.

I'd like to know if both things can be done the same night.

[hasdgfas]

Also: I think "Mafia Goon" is probably a secret role in itself, rather than "Mafia" being an alignment randomly assigned after the public and secret roles are assigned.

hmm, what would make you think that unless you have some knowledge?

[hasdgfas]

Besides the fact that Crazy's secret role was "Godfather"?

Godfather entails an extra ability however (immunity to investigations).

Obviously.

But I still think that this says that your Secret Role also determines your alignment.

I.E. If your secret role is a Mafia role, then you are Mafia.

So there are only two role tiers, not three.

ok, maybe the mod can clarify this.

Mod:

are alignments distributed separately from both known roles and secret roles?

No.

[hasdgfas]

Besides the fact that Crazy's secret role was "Godfather"?

Godfather entails an extra ability however (immunity to investigations).

Obviously.

But I still think that this says that your Secret Role also determines your alignment.

I.E. If your secret role is a Mafia role, then you are Mafia.

So there are only two role tiers, not three.

Plus, I don't understand why you would think that. Please explain(with another argument besides "Crazy showed up as Godfather")

[hasdgfas]

Hey Empking, why are you voting for wolframnhart?

Have you read this game? This is a dumb question to ask...

not really. He still hasn't explained why. He's just said "look through his posts and you'll see"

[hasdgfas]

unvote

vote ZombieSlayer54

FoS: pwnz

I'm fine with lynching ZS due to the mod's response to my question.

[hasdgfas]

Has, how does the answer make you want to lynch me MORE?

I think you were the only one who thought that "Mafia Goon" was a secret role, and because the mod basically confirmed that, I believe you only thought that because you had prior knowledge.

[hasdgfas]

I do think that the Crazy argument is a good enough argument.

Except it's not, because Godfather gives extra abilities.

I've wrote why I think he's scum.

He never tried to look at scum.
He did actions to try and make himself look like town without actually helping town.
He tried to mislead the town.

Please show us where, like people have told you every single time you say this.

[hasdgfas]

But that's alignment, no an abillity.

But it is a SECRET role, correct?

Why is it so hard to think of "Mafia Goon" as a SECRET role?

because the goon doesn't have special abilities, it has a different alignment.

[hasdgfas]

That's what all of us are assuming, that a secret role entails some sort of abillity. That's why your assumption doesn't make sense.

Or it could just be... You know... A secret role...?

Why assume that, anyways?

I mean, the mod has already explained that there are two tiers to role selection: Public role and secret role. No tertiary "Alignment Role". Alignments, therefore, are probably assigned through the secret roles.

right, but that wasn't obvious from the very beginning.

[hasdgfas]

Geddings: What is so wrong with believing a cop-claim just because there is a Gunsmith in the game, too?

Is it so hard to believe that there might be two investigative roles in the game?

Also, since I believe you are probably going to vote me...

Unvote, Vote Wolframnhart

Self-preservation, etc. etc.

I hate hate hate hate hate self-preservation votes.

Why are you killing me?

Apparently, you missed the memo that wolf poisoned you like 7 pages ago.

Actually I didn't. I know I can't save myself and I know you're killing me because you don't like scum hunting.

Empking, you have NOTHING TO LOSE at this point. You're going to die. If you actually are town, you need to start actually

trying

in this game. I'm tired of you saying "wolf is scum, just look at his posts" when you're the one who has to be convincing us when we don't see it. Show us what you see and we might actually listen to you if you have good points. If you continue acting like this, it makes me more and more convinced that you're scum that just doesn't care.

[hasdgfas]

I CAN'T PROVE HE

NEVER

DID SOMETHING BY QUOTING ONE POST.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE IF HE NEVER SCUM HUNTS YOU HAVE TO READ ALL HIS POSTS.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHY I THINK WOLF IS SCUMMY YOU HAVE TO READ MY POSTS.

I CAN'T SHOW SOMETHING TO YOU IF YOU REFUSE TO READ. I HAVE SAID WHY I THINK WOLF IS SCUMMY MANY TIME.

IN THE HOPE THAT WRITING IT IN CAPITALS ALLOWS YOU TO READ IT. HE TRIES TO MISLEAD THE TOWN, HE TRIES TO LOOK TOWNIE WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING TOWNIE, HE DOESN'T TRY TO SCUM HUNT.

THEN SHOW US HOW HE TRIES TO MISLEAD THE TOWN AT THE VERY LEAST. YOU CAN DO THAT BECAUSE IT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT HE "NEVER DOES" IT IS SOMETHING THAT HE DOES. SHOW US WHERE. THANK YOU.

hasdgfas: Purpousely acts stupid. Isn't one of the top contributers.

Really? I have the third most posts in this game behind armlx and ZS. And where have I acted stupid?

[hasdgfas]

Also, just reread my role PM.

Apparently, my results are "not guaranteed to be reliable."

So, for all we know, I am an insane/paranoid/naive cop. That might make it a tad more balanced.

Also: Why is everyone believing Armlx's claim so readily?

I am now completely convinced that we should lynch ZS.

Also: it's because he's been much more townie than you.

[hasdgfas]

@Has, if you are convinced we should lynch ZS, why aren't you voting him?

forgot I unvoted, whoops.

vote: ZS

[hasdgfas]

I find it perfectly weird. But I believe it has something to do with Empking, since Empking's posting from the beginning and pwnz's posting for a while now seem very, very alike.

*headdesk*

[hasdgfas]

And I STILL do not see how it was so hard to realize that alignments are assigned based on your secret role? I mean, it makes perfect sense to me. I mean, would a townie get the "Godfather" role?

Yes. In IRC(which our mod wrote the bot for), I have gotten Godfather as a townie before.

[hasdgfas]

Why is random better than popcorn?

[hasdgfas]

Blocked charter.

gogo pwnz

[hasdgfas]

Has, can I ask why you picked me?

I was having uneasy feelings about you through Day 1.

[hasdgfas]

Uneasy how?

-_-

For the most part, it was a gut read of you as scum, that's usually what an uneasy feeling means. If you prefer I make a case on you, I can do that too.


Also, I won't have access from the 17th through the 21st.

[hasdgfas]

No, but why not block wolf or ged? If one of them is mafia, they would undoubtably be the one to have sent in the kill.

I didn't want to block wolf, because I felt more uneasy about you than him.

Why the heck would I want to block ged?

[hasdgfas]

charter, is there a reason you're not being very aggressive? I've noticed that usually you're much more aggressive than you have been in this game.

[hasdgfas]

I do not consider bus driver a protective role because it can wreak as much havoc as it can help.

[hasdgfas]

but wolf's vote on me makes me suspect him as well.

Oh, that's lovely. Is there any other reason besides him voting for you?


Also, currently my suspects are charter on gut, and pwnz for not contributing much of anything useful.

[hasdgfas]

I really didn't defend, because the points really weren't anything that incriminating to me. As it is you were wrong, and we have probably lost unless my poison kill i sent in was right, really could care less at this point though because after Day 1 this game kinda died.

So because you don't think they're good points, you shouldn't defend? I don't understand that at all. It doesn't matter if you don't think they're good. If the rest of the town does, that's all that matters.

[hasdgfas]

vote wolf

gotta make sure we lynch

[hasdgfas]

I want to hear results from the two of you. I don't care the order.

[hasdgfas]

EBWOP: By results I mean night action choices.

[hasdgfas]

pwnz, c'mon out.

[hasdgfas]

What was your night action choice has?

after pwnz.

[hasdgfas]

I am looking for a replacement for pwnz. Deadline will be extended.

oh you have got to be kidding me.


charter: why no action?

[hasdgfas]

Guess you're next, Hasdgfas.

I blocked charter.

charter, who do you think is scum?

[hasdgfas]

I still think it's charter, but I'm going to let mayhem read first.

[hasdgfas]

There are things that bother me about Has as well, namely, the fact him and Armlx spent most of the game agreeing

I didn't think armlx really did anything scummy.

and he also helped to lynch several townies

I find this to be a terrible reason to be suspicious of someone.

Pretty much the main reason besides gut that I'm suspicious of charter is armlx's interactions with him. Look at this post:

Vote Wolf

I think its wolf + charter, but charter is pretty much there on PoE where as wolf has said and done some actively scummy things.

He didn't really say anything else about charter being scummy, and yet in his last post of the game he says he thinks it's wolf + charter for almost no reason. Pretty iffy to me. I can find more if necessary.

[hasdgfas]

You don't think being on a town bandwagon is a slight scum indicator, Has?
I know town votes for town too but I think it's still worth mentioning.

You should look at how they vote more than who they vote for.

[hasdgfas]

I thought it was obvious that if you let the attack against the SB'er they would SB you when they got around to doing it.

Should be

I thought it was obvious that if you

led

the attack against the SB'er they would SB you when they got around to doing it.

that's complete crap, charter. If they did that, it would be terrible play.

[hasdgfas]

Ok, well then, I personally thought if you led the attack against the SB, they would SB you. My thinking, if the SB was town, and you led an attack against them, they would know it to be wrong, and it would increase the chance of you being scum (in their head). If the SB was scum and you went after them, then obviously you're right, and a threat to the scum.

but if you think they're scum, you should attack them, no worries for your own self-interest. It's not about surviving, unless you're scum.

[hasdgfas]

hi

[hasdgfas]

Hi Has.

So you're not scum, I guess. That's good.
Anything you'd like to know before you vote?

I'd like charter to show up, honestly. Plus I have class in ten minutes, so I won't be here to see the response anyway.

[hasdgfas]

I have a ton of hw. I will definately have something up by friday at the latest, hopefully sooner (I'll probably want a break from hw tonight haha).

This post does not make any sense if charter is town in this situation. Anyone want to comment on why?

[hasdgfas]

Because if he had time to post that, he had time to say "I'm town, goddammit, don't lynch me or we both lose, lynch m4yhem, pwnz was scummy as all get out?"

Or something else?

It doesn't matter to me because I'm positve he's scum now, so whenever he talks I think 'well you would say that, you're scum.'

more the fact that since I didn't hammer, he knows I can't be scum and therefore from his perspective as town, you would have to be scum and a vote would be necessary.

[hasdgfas]

charter, you're the one that needs to be doing the convincing if you expect me to vote for m4yhem

[hasdgfas]

I made my case against him. There's nothing else to say, I'm sure I could requote all his posts and make up some bs or twist everything he says, but that's not going to do any good. If I haven't convinced you so far, then I can't do it. Go ahead and vote.

I think my case against him is solid, his responses have just been attacks at me, not defending himself from the points, so I think they're valid. If you don't, well then we're screwed.

What points have you made that he hasn't defended against, exactly?

[hasdgfas]

I wish I could vote for both of you -_-

[hasdgfas]

C'mon Has, please. Your instinct told you charter was scum most of the game; your instinct was right. Vote for him and then we can all go home.

This kind of thing is what has made me not vote charter yet. Ridiculously blatant buddying up.

[hasdgfas]

[hasdgfas]

I will

vote: charter

[hasdgfas]

WOW! Great game there guys! I was really beginning to think that Has was the mafia, letting it go to night again so he could hopefully get in a kill that was messed up the night before, boy was i wrong.

There were two reasons for me to go to night there:
A) I completely forgot that deadline was that night and had to go somewhere for several hours and came back post-deadline.
B) It was in my hands either way due to me being RB. I could've voted, which would've decided it, but I just wasn't ready to vote. Instead, I let it go to night and had to choose who to RB. Either choice was in my hands, so it didn't really make a difference.

I was thinking that the bloodbath day 1 would make the town lose... last time I put suicide bomber and super backup in the same setup. Very Happy

It actually helped them a ton. Imagine us being able to MUP repeatedly, kill exactly who we wanted, etc etc.

This was pretty much why I suggested making a bunch of kills D1 right off. I knew it hurt the mafia more than the town.

Oh, also, hascow, what made you so suspicious of me the whole game? I wanted to be like "post your suspicion so I can quash it" but I figured that would have screwed me over pretty hard. Just looking to improve my mafia play.

Day 1 I wasn't really looking at you, but because I had the RB role, I had to look closely at people to decide whom to block. I looked back at the day and you just seemed off for some reason. I could probably find it if I looked, but you seemed off. When it got to later days, I noticed that you weren't being very aggressive, and I've noticed you are usually aggressive as town. That was the main thing.

Xyl is one of the best mafia mods ever, especially in the department of operating the game.

This.

Still mad at icemanE for deviating and bombing me :X but still a fun game nonetheless.

This almost screwed the game up. If he bombed Empking, we could've poisoned someone else and would've actually killed the most suspicious people instead of Alabaska, who I didn't think was scum at all.

Also, M4yhem, never play as scummy as you did during D3 ever ever again. If you had actually just refuted charter's arguments instead of saying things like 'has saved us all and now has to vote you!' I would've had a much easier decision. I was almost getting sickened by the praises you were throwing on me and didn't feel like I could vote with that in my mind.

Honestly, I thought this was one of the best games I've played on site. My only two negative thoughts with this game were voting for wolf D2. I should've gone with charter, even though I didn't have anything really concrete at that point. I also didn't look closely enough at armlx the whole game just because he seemed town for going along so thoroughly with the plan I came up with. Well played, armlx.

[hasdgfas]

Funny thing is that I was trying to fakehammer there to see if I caught m4yhem in a premature scum celebration. Ah well, it did work out