not sure where you're getting three clears from, but a miller in that setup feels very slightly bastardIn post 74, OkaPoka wrote:public cop + named townie is still superior to two masons because
public cop + named townie is potentially three clears by day 2 while masons are potentially two clears by day 2
day vig + backup is more interesting but i dont see scum shooting the dayvig since moving from even to odds doesn't advantage them too much, better just looking for the backup to kill
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I'd guess it's intended as a parity win (which is fairly standard), although I agree that S/T pairings being possible (if ill advised) doesn't mean its a great setup.In post 73, popsofctown wrote:Ah yes, scum do have a log-in draw. Snazzy. That is not the One Thing making or breaking whether I view that as a playable setupThis is a Parachute.- Jingle
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It's not really potentially 3 clears. It is 3 clears. Scum have to kill one of the two PR's, but even if they do the public cop goes through and clears/guilties a player. If scum cc's public cop they die. If scum cc's named townie they trade a scum lynch for potentially a clear lynch.In post 76, OkaPoka wrote:theoretically optimal play is to mass claim
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I have not experienced setups with nonstandard death mechanics automatically having parity win condition, I have experienced struggling through a functionally nightless setup that has 56% town EV because GiF specified the mafia win condition as "one more Mafiosi beyond parity".In post 77, Jingle wrote:
I'd guess it's intended as a parity win (which is fairly standard), although I agree that S/T pairings being possible (if ill advised) doesn't mean its a great setup.In post 73, popsofctown wrote:Ah yes, scum do have a log-in draw. Snazzy. That is not the One Thing making or breaking whether I view that as a playable setup"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Last edited by popsofctown on Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:36 am, edited 2 times in total."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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4 players get informed.
4 players uninformed.
Massclaim information D1.
Pair all pair claims outside of the impossible to OTP information until the lategame.
If there are 6 players in the mafia pool, there are 15 possible pairings among those 6. You can't quite brute force the autowin (a single player must be paired 5 times for autowin) but you can get it close enough. Scum therefore shouldn't fakeclaim to make a 6v2 split.
If it's a 5:3 split, you should be able to logic at least one pairing for the three based on information claims early. You have a good chance of a first day OTP.
4:4 split, 32% chance of no OTP in the first phase if S/S starcrossed, 42% if S/T starcrossed.
tl;dr, I still think X=3 is better for balance.
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A Sample setup would be:
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I'm probably going to have to make setup 1 use a public tracker or other unreliable public investigative. I'm thinking public tracker and named townie might work, if not maybe D2 public cop and named townie.In post 87, Jingle wrote:Miller is functionally the same as Named town there, since they're claiming D1 anyway.
Question, is the dayvig limited shot or can they continue shooting on future days if they survive?
The Dayvig is ungated. They can shoot for as long as they survive.
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that just makes it 7p public cop tbhIn post 89, OkaPoka wrote:i think public cop choice should just be a public cop, no other towniestime will end- Jingle
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Could give scum a rolestopper in Setup 1.In post 88, TemporalLich wrote:I'm probably going to have to make setup 1 use a public tracker or other unreliable public investigative. I'm thinking public tracker and named townie might work, if not maybe D2 public cop and named townie.
If the dayvig is a full dayvig, that setup is viable as a choice too.
70% to hit scum D1 and go into 4p with a conftown and a vigshot (63%). Overall that's a
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Thank you for the feedback Jingle.
I edited to "X=3", and town winning on -either- mafia perishing although the intent was if both, and narrowed the information down to 2 non-starcrosses.
I kind of don't love the setup or think I would run it but it's still fun to think about. The rules for this challenge are trickly for doing my favorite things."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I could maybe do "8 players or less" and "ends by day 4" or "coalition style choice" with a revision of the autobattler setup, maybe."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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version 2 with Jingle's setup for the public cop choice. Yeah this seems more balanced.Last edited by TemporalLich on Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:48 am, edited 2 times in total.time will end- popsofctown
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Oh it's designed to be a marathon, I'm just not sure it even meets the bar that there is for that."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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