Open 776: Korina is a Cultist

[Auro]

I'm thinking in different terms than that atm Auro

If there's a different angle that's very convincing, please detail?

[Auro]

I really don't see why their votes are so bad, so if you can explain I'd be glad.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I'm thinking along the lines of how do cult maneuver around a gamestate where two hard to lynch town are the top wagons and town blocks are forming quickly

[Alyssa The Lamb]

What really strikes me is that they seem to put an emphasis on looking not dissonant despite how much they're posting separately, the second vote on me referenced the reason for the first vote for no apparent reason... despite the heads being different

It's not an entirely natural process

[Auro]

I don't think I like the idea of lurker lynches either.

By going against the grain and soft-pushing the hard to lynch townies, and saying that lurker lynches are bad?
Given they're the only cult slot in the game, why bother?

[Farkran]

Auro, who are the hard to lynch townies, in your opinion?

[Auro]

I mean Esper did say he changed his mind when he referenced the first reason.
Also, they have a cult PT. I don't think they'd really be posting separately at all unless they wanted to, and if that was the case you'd not see the "emphasis to not look dissonant".

[Auro]

Auro, who are the hard to lynch townies, in your opinion?

You/Alyssa? That's what I understood Alyssa was implying, anyway.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I mean Esper did say he changed his mind when he referenced the first reason.
Also, they have a cult PT. I don't think they'd really be posting separately at all unless they wanted to, and if that was the case you'd not see the "emphasis to not look dissonant".

It really depends on who is in the hydra, but I'd estimate that more people would be afraid of appearing too dissonant as scum than otherwise

[Alyssa The Lamb]

That's just as much by how we handled pressure than anything else

It doesn't necessarily translate to other games

[Farkran]

Yeah i know Alyssa is referring to us, but i'd also like your personal opinion

Because to be honest i didn't see any slot easier to lynch than Alyssa, before conspire became the highest wagon just moments ago

@Auro

[Auro]

@Alyssa: If they're afraid of appearing dissonant, they'd plan their trajectories in the cult PT first.

@Farkan: Replace 'lynch' with 'push' - there's going to be a lot of pushback if someone tries to lead a push on Alyssa/You/Me/Slaxx etc; and I'd think it's much easier to coast while pushing a slot like Homura. I agree that Alyssa was a convenient vote for a while, but they seem to have stuck with it even after the general thread consensus seemed to change.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

@Alyssa: If they're afraid of appearing dissonant, they'd plan their trajectories in the cult PT first.

That's what I think happened

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Unnatural emphasis on not appearing dissonant

[Farkran]

@Farkan:

Replace 'lynch' with 'push'

- there's going to be a lot of pushback if someone tries to lead a push on Alyssa/You/Me/Slaxx etc; and I'd think it's much easier to coast while pushing a slot like Homura. I agree that Alyssa was a convenient vote for a while, but they seem to have stuck with it even after the general thread consensus seemed to change.

Bolded: agreed and that's what i meant to say

I don't feel like Homura would be a coastable push though. Remember how Alyssa was going like "cult hasn't posted yet" when the last slot to speak was exactly homura and nobody picked that up

[Auro]

I mean we wouldn't see so much of the early "posting separately" dissonance (like post 272) then and they'd be consistently non-dissonant from the beginning

[Auro]

Remember how Alyssa was going like "cult hasn't posted yet" when the last slot to speak was exactly homura and nobody picked that up

What do you mean?

I still think cult hasn't posted yet

So you think Homura is cult, Ank?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I'd actually argue that people familiar with me would be less likely to try to fake a trajectory on me while I'm an easy push since it can actually be pretty difficult to make pivoting away look natural

But shrug

[Farkran]

Remember how Alyssa was going like "cult hasn't posted yet" when the last slot to speak was exactly homura and nobody picked that up

What do you mean?

I still think cult hasn't posted yet

So you think Homura is cult, Ank?

I mean that nobody actually pushed there until she actually spoke, and even then the wagon dropped almost immediately

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I mean we wouldn't see so much of the early "posting separately" dissonance (like post 272) then and they'd be consistently non-dissonant from the beginning

That's the problem though

They're posting like they're separate heads, but their dissonance is weirdly low for that

And it's not like there's a dominant head either, both have been posting with roughly the same tone

[Auro]

Sure, Alyssa, but Esper clearly stated that he "changed his mind". If they were trying to appear solvey and non-dissonant there are ways to do it more naturally without explicitly just saying so.

[Auro]

I mean that nobody actually pushed there until she actually spoke, and even then the wagon dropped almost immediately

What would the former argument imply?
Well, the latter seems a bit post-hoc-y, no?

[Farkran]

I mean that nobody actually pushed there until she actually spoke, and even then the wagon dropped almost immediately

What would the former argument imply?
Well, the latter seems a bit post-hoc-y, no?

That i don't think Homura is a coastable push based on what happened?

What does post-hoc-y mean?

Anyways, i don't think the dissonance is strongly AI for the Conspire slot unless you are also familiar with the two heads and you know them to do that. For me, it's the first time playing with them, but if i were in a hydra with anyone else i would talk a lot with my paired head, taking notes in our PT, etc - unless we were scum, because in that scenario i would post notes and thoughts in the scum PT instead of the hydra. The resulting effect would be harmonic posting because we agree on our reads/strategy to push mislynches, or the opposite because we disagree, as any alignment - so, i guess the dissonance argument would be more useful to sort those speaking about it rather than the topic in question, and i believe Auro comes out townier on that, while Alyssa

could

be paving a trajectory path to vote/hammer her counterwagon as today's lynch?

I mean, the argument is valid for both sides, but in my mind Alyssa vs Conspire looks better for Alyssa rn

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Just fyi farkran

I tend to play stereotypically town as scum and stereotypically scum as town

Make of that what you will

[Farkran]

Just fyi farkran

I tend to play stereotypically town as scum and stereotypically scum as town

Make of that what you will

I noticed. I feel like our playstyles are clashing by nature and i tend to scumread you more than you deserve, but that doesn't make you conftown

Also i have a semi-explicited tinfoil argument that lamistiness in this game has ultrahigh chance to flip non-cult