Open 776: Korina is a Cultist

[Auro]

What's that supposed to be a response to?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Rawr?

[Auro]

Rawr?

Alyssa's town I guess.

[Klick]

My initial vote on Conspire was literally because they voted Farkran who was in the townbloc, and the Alyssa wagon was getting stale.

It stuck largely because their tone in response to getting pressure comes off as standoffish. They feel like they're trying to do exactly what they should do to look like a good towny and not get lynched. They asked 'why are you voting me', didn't follow up when they got ignored (because that would attract more attention/be 'defensive'), and they keep giving these neutral inoffensive takes on the game.
It's largely a gut/tone thing but it doesn't feel like they drew town here.

[Klick]

That and everyone else is town

[insomnia]

It was supposed to be for Korina in the PT, fat fingers

[Jingle]

1.5

With 10 alive, it is 6 to Lynch!

Conspire (4): Klick, Slaxx, Farkran, insomnia,
Alyssa the Lamb (2): Homura, Conspire,
Klick (1): RCEnigma,
Homura (1): Sujimichi,
insomnia (1): Auro,
Slaxx (0):
Farkran (0):
Sujimichi (0):
Auro (0):
RCEnigma (0):

Not Voting (1): Alyssa the Lamb,

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-03-19 13:35:12).

[Klick]

Alyssa join us !

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I want to hear Suji's thoughts before risking ending the day

[Klick]

Fair, Suji is a smart cookie

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Well if he's a cookie then I'd rather just eat him

[Klick]

@Suji what kind of cookie are you?
This is an important question

[insomnia]

Well if he's a cookie then I'd rather just eat him

[Alyssa The Lamb]

insomnia does that statement keep you up at night

[insomnia]

pretty sure it's just my insomnia and rl that keeps me up at night

[Auro]

It stuck largely because their tone in response to getting pressure comes off as standoffish. They feel like they're trying to do exactly what they should do to look like a good towny and not get lynched. They asked 'why are you voting me', didn't follow up when they got ignored (because that would attract more attention/be 'defensive'), and they keep giving these neutral inoffensive takes on the game.
It's largely a gut/tone thing but it doesn't feel like they drew town here.

Alyssa, rate this argument

[RCEnigma]

I think they have fun early game and the way we make them out themselves is if we, ourselves, the towns, don't have fun at all.

Not sure if this was a joke post but damn I like it.

In theory.

[RCEnigma]

What really strikes me is that they seem to put an emphasis on looking not dissonant despite how much they're posting separately, the second vote on me referenced the reason for the first vote for no apparent reason... despite the heads being different

It's not an entirely natural process

They let town take the lead and push on whichever wagon has more momentum.

[insomnia]

It wasn't a joke, they start out by having fun early, trolling, whatnot. The way you make it stop is by raising the bar for towniness not being to constantly troll, but to actually solve.

[RCEnigma]

Maybe. I have never been in a hydra, and i didn't play with enough hydrae to discern whether they would plan harmony or dissonance as an AI measure, so i can only make logical inference that i would not - either we agree or disagree, and that would apply to scumread pushes as well as mislynch pushes/self-defensive posting.

I'll break down my argument:
1. The level of awkward dissonance (and reversal) there doesn't look planned.
2. Unplanned dissonance more likely comes from town than scum.

Do you disagree with (1), or (2)?

Disagree with 2. As evidenced by the avenger Hydra in PFUP. Which consisted of Skitter and friends. The Hydra was slightly larger but iirc Nancy was not present for a large portion and 2-3 slots were the main posters.

[RCEnigma]

It wasn't a joke, they start out by having fun early, trolling, whatnot. The way you make it stop is by raising the bar for towniness not being to constantly troll, but to actually solve.

Oh I was thinking this comes into effect more day 2-3 when alignments are shifted and you can compare patterns directly.

[insomnia]

And yes, unplanned dissonance comes a lot more from scum than town.

I was in a hydra with 4 other people and we played for like one phase and all our reads were really honed before posted and we'd think critically before we posted.

then someone slipped something in another game and got re-randed and we were re-randed to mafia

and we'd keep pushing separate agendas because it's so easy

just imagine, you can do two things at the same time and depending on the game state, you make the head that was scum reading player x who's getting heavily pushed come in, hard push him, move the vote on him, whatever and poof no responsibility.

[RCEnigma]

I legit think Conspire has the highest odds of flipping scum here.
Homura's a decent shot too.

You/RCE/Suji/Farkran have all towntold pretty hard. Drixx and Alyssa don't feel scummy either at this point. insomnia's posts have been pretty good and I don't think Chemist flakes out of the lone scum slot.

Chemist flaked out of all his slots so I didn't feel like that read held any weight earlier and it doesn't now.

Also auro called out that he wasn't in your Poe and your answer was that insomnia had a townie post. But it came after your Poe so why would that have influenced your Poe in the first place?

[Klick]

Oh Chemist siteflaked? I didn't realise

Insomnia's townie post was the post before my PoE, and Chemist replaced out before that

[Klick]

Like, congrats, you've shown that my progression exists