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[Chemist1422]

Oh

Yeah I think Kerset is just town then

[Chemist1422]

Theory: Kerset is compulsive and chose N2 to use his compulsive commute.

That is what he claimed yes

[Chemist1422]

gamestate dead

we should probably hammer soon

[Chemist1422]

I have a mech thoughts dump to make gimme a little to eat breakfast and get ready for school

[Chemist1422]

@Mod

Can a player who is commuting use the factional kill?

[Chemist1422]

VOTE: Shadoweh

I guess

I think we should just hammer soon because I don't see any new discussion going on

[Chemist1422]

ohhh yeah hold on

it was mostly NKA so I'm gonna drop a couple lists and assumptions before I get into the actual post

Locktown:
Chem
Klick

No reason not to kill mastina (or rather no knowledge of the protection), so unnecessary to evaluate currently:
Jingle
Shadoweh

Could not have killed N2 so it doesn't matter: Kerset

Analyzable through NKA:
ofrhz
hito

Assumption #1: No townie is lying about any abilites or actions
Assumption #2: There is no serial killer
Assumption #3: ofrhz is not lying about having personal KP (if they're scum, they are a 1-shot vig)

[Chemist1422]

One more assumption I forgot: hito is aware of what modifiers they give out.

Anyway here we go

If hito is scum, they knew mastina would be protected by their bulletproof, which leads into assumption #5: the last mafia member did not intentionally waste the N2 kill. So that leaves the following options for nightkills: Ali and Kerset. I don't think Kerset is a likely nightkill at all given how low they were in the PoE entering day 3, so we can make them not being targeted assumption #6. I'll get to what this could mean later.

That being said I do think I might be making too many assumptions even though they're reasonable on their own.

If ofrhz is scum, presumably one of their kills was on mastina and the other was on Ali, based on assumption #6. This is pretty straightforward, but I do think that is a likely shot from a scum vig that wants to claim vig later, at least in a vacuum.

[Chemist1422]

i'm so glad i finally get to use this stupid chart

[Chemist1422]

Kerset bitmap klick
Hito reundo ?

There's also this though which I do think deserves at least a little bit of looking at

[Chemist1422]

UNVOTE: Shadoweh

hito when you're around I wanna ask you a couple questions

[Chemist1422]

ofrhz claimed after Klick/hito claimed to protect mastina right

[Chemist1422]

still I don't think the Ali kill ever makes sense from someone who isn't hito unless they were exactly ofrhz planning on claiming vig

which is ??? if they aren't actually a vig, and presumably didn't know about the protection going into N2

[Chemist1422]

Okay yeah

You already answered my first question, so can I get an explanation for all of your targets?

[Chemist1422]

alright that checks out

yeah I kinda just wanna lock hito town now

ofrhz, why did you shoot Ali? Was it just because they were being loud and wrong? (that's not an insult if you're reading ali)

[Chemist1422]

alright that checks out

yeah I kinda just wanna lock hito town now

ofrhz, why did you shoot Ali? Was it just because they were being loud and wrong? (that's not an insult if you're reading ali)

I see this question but ngl I feel like I’ve answered it

Lmk if there’s something else you wanted me to address

can you link me to where you did please

[Chemist1422]

VOTE: ofrhz

okay I don’t think the game can progress much further rn

[Chemist1422]

okay then

good job guys

[Chemist1422]

so I’m bad at mafia apparently

[Chemist1422]

Prodding Chemist1422

hm?

[Chemist1422]

hi

I don’t really have much to add at this point

[Chemist1422]

kerset can you order your reads?

for example mine is:
Chem
hito
Kerset
Jingle
Shadoweh

[Chemist1422]

my interest in this game is sorta winding down honestly but go off

which of me/kerset would you vote if whichever of jingle/shadoweh we didn’t lynch got nightkilled for some reason?

[Chemist1422]

Probably mastina for lack of a better kill tbh

That being said I don't really remember claim timings

[Chemist1422]

Chemist did claim to have a role with results on d2. Perhaps mastina was attacked because scum expected protection to be on chem. I don't think that either mastina or alisae was attacked sue to personal reasons. Still people like jingle have their own way of thinking, his theory could apply to himself.

Why do you think mastina wouldn’t be attacked?

[Chemist1422]

So why don’t you think Ali would be attacked

[Chemist1422]

If you’re worried tho then the other ability I have begins with “a” and ends in “scetic”

If you’re worried tho then the other ability I have begins with “a” and ends in “scetic”

Are you ascetic or an asceticizer or whatever it’s called

El segundo amigo

What was your action last night?

I ascetisised myself, if that’s a word

does this clear kerset in y'all's eyes

y/n

I think it does because of how badly he misunderstands the ascetic situation, and if he gets believed (somehow) and kerset gets outed as commuter/ascetic it's a super bad look for kerset

[Chemist1422]

Okay

VOTE: Jingle

I just don’t wanna be wrong on my Shadoweh townread

[Chemist1422]

are you interested in self-hammering?

[Chemist1422]

locktown

[Chemist1422]

UNVOTE: Jingle

wow I do not like Shadoweh’s latest post

[Chemist1422]

Shadow I think you’re playing for LyLo instead of playing to win today

[Chemist1422]

what do you do tomorrow if Kerset flips town

[Chemist1422]

As scum I can be -extremely- lazy but I never have trouble actually voting people.
If I were scum I would have no reason not to just drop a Jingle vote when he was at 2 votes earlier and peace tf out.

That literally just gets you lynched in F3

[Chemist1422]

...you do realize you’re the only one that thinks you and jingle aren’t the next two lynches, right?

[Chemist1422]

I’m probably just gonna drop a vote soon because a nolynch is by far the worst situation

[Chemist1422]

VOTE: Shadoweh

idk I feel best about going here rn

[Chemist1422]

oh boy I love F3s

[Chemist1422]

I think that kill pretty strongly points to kerset

I wanna go over Mena's full ISO again soon

[Chemist1422]

I know the game's been pretty dead but I would like it if you two could post like

as much as you could today

[Chemist1422]

not spam ofc

[Chemist1422]

Because I strongly think you'd kill me there instead of hito

[Chemist1422]

Also I don't believe in instavoting generally, especially if no one else has posted yet

[Chemist1422]

Chem why did you go for shadoweh in the end?

I thought her push on you was playing to win in F3

[Chemist1422]

Do you play all by yourself? You are the only one, who never mentions teammate reads.

Pretty much yeah

[Chemist1422]

I have not yet gotten around to the Mena ISO

I’ll try to soon

[Chemist1422]

Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts

(that’s a quote, I thought it was applicable)

[Chemist1422]

Bingle repped into my most recent scumgame and I didn’t want to risk him picking up on any differences between my play here and my play there, so I decided to keep schtum here as I knew that game was nearly done if we could just get one vote on town

Here it is for reference, p sure it’s my best scumgame so far:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81502

Oh hey I found this post

This is almost lock clearing for Jingle imo but I’ll try to get my teams thoughts on it

[Chemist1422]

uhhhh mena is pushing kerset a lot harder than jingle though and I’m not sure he double busses d1

hmm

[Chemist1422]

Bingle repped into my most recent scumgame and I didn’t want to risk him picking up on any differences between my play here and my play there, so I decided to keep schtum here as I knew that game was nearly done if we could just get one vote on town

Here it is for reference, p sure it’s my best scumgame so far:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81502

Oh hey I found this post

This is almost lock clearing for Jingle imo but I’ll try to get my teams thoughts on it

Now we know that menalque was scum in both of those games. Why would there really be a difference?

I think if Mena and Jingle know the other is scum in this game, Mena doesn't worry about something like this

it can't count as breaking ongoing game rules if the other game has already ended right

p-edit: not hammering

[Chemist1422]

I'm strongly leaning towards voting Kerset but didn't want to lolhammer since I'm waiting for my team's input on 2717 and reading over GnR

[Chemist1422]

Oka thinks 2717 doesn't mean enough on it's own

When I get home I'm gonna try to track Mena/Jingle/Kerset progression, if I don't get distracted playing PMD

[Chemist1422]

Chemist, i think i see why you never died in this game, you are the best in throwing games out here.

oh

[Chemist1422]

kerset if you're trying to bully me out of voting you by calling me a gamethrower I hope you know that is just making me want to vote you more

[Chemist1422]

okay then

I have a request from one of my teammates

Case each other to someone who hasn't read the game at all

[Chemist1422]

To be fair that vote was after he claimed scum

[Chemist1422]

okay jingle do you have a meme response to that

[Chemist1422]

honestly I think both of your cases against the other are kinda weak

[Chemist1422]

Kerset can you explain your reasoning for all of your targets again please

fwiw oka is leaning kerset being scum because setup spec

[Chemist1422]

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.06
Shadoweh (4): Kerset, Klick, Bitmap, Jingle Bitmap (2): jjh927, mastina Kerset (1): ofrhz ofrhz (1): hitogoroshi hitogoroshi (1): Alisae Jingle (1): Chemist1422 Gamma Emerald (1): Menalque Not Voting (2): Gamma Emerald, Shadoweh With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00)

Votecount 1.07
Shadoweh (4): Kerset, Klick, Bitmap, Jingle Klick (4): Alisae, Menalque, hitogoroshi, mastina Kerset (1): ofrhz Bitmap (1): jjh927 hitogoroshi (1): Shadoweh Jingle (1): Chemist1422 Not Voting (1): Gamma Emerald With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00)

Votecount 1.09
ofrhz (4): Chemist1422, jjh927, Jingle, Kerset Klick (4): Alisae, Menalque, hitogoroshi, mastina hitogoroshi (2): Shadoweh, Klick Kerset (1): ofrhz Jingle (1): Bitmap Not Voting (1): Gamma Emerald With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00)

Votecount 1.13
hitogoroshi (3): Shadoweh, Klick, ofrhz mastina (3): Jingle, Bitmap, Alisae Bitmap (2): mastina, jjh927 Gamma Emerald (2): Menalque, Chemist1422 ofrhz (1): Kerset Shadoweh (1): hitogoroshi Not Voting (1): Gamma Emerald With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00)

Votecount 1.19
mastina (4): Bitmap, Kerset, Chemist1422, Reundo Kerset (3): jjh927, Jingle, mastina jjh927 (2): Klick, Alisae Reundo (1): Menalque Shadoweh (1): hitogoroshi hitogoroshi (1): Shadoweh Not Voting (1): ofrhz With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00)

Votecount 1.21
Kerset (4): jjh927, Jingle, mastina, Alisae mastina (3): Kerset, Chemist1422, Reundo hitogoroshi (2): Shadoweh, Bitmap jjh927 (1): Klick Reundo (1): Menalque Shadoweh (1): hitogoroshi Not Voting (1): ofrhz With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00) Ann Notes : mastina v/la until 1/13

Votecount 1.23
Reundo (4): Menalque, Alisae, jjh927, Jingle hitogoroshi (2): Shadoweh, Bitmap mastina (2): Kerset, Reundo jjh927 (1): Klick Kerset (1): mastina Shadoweh (1): hitogoroshi Not Voting (2): ofrhz, Chemist1422 With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00) Ann Notes : mastina v/la until 1/13

Votecount 1.24
Reundo (6): Menalque, Alisae, jjh927, Jingle, ofrhz, mastina hitogoroshi (2): Shadoweh, Bitmap mastina (2): Kerset, Reundo jjh927 (1): Klick ofrhz (1): hitogoroshi Not Voting (1): Chemist1422 With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00) Ann Notes : mastina v/la until 1/13

Votecount 1.28
Reundo (7): Menalque, Jingle, ofrhz, Kerset, Klick, Alisae, Chemist1422 (Lynch) Bitmap (3): hitogoroshi, jjh927, mastina ofrhz (1): Reundo hitogoroshi (1): Shadoweh Alisae (1): Bitmap Not Voting (0): None. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : Lynch Achieved. Ann Notes : Wooo!

VCA part 1

[Chemist1422]

There’s literally nothing relevant onwards that isn’t kerset voting ofrhz D4

[Chemist1422]

hito’s reads sort of aligned with my own yesterday

Why do you two think I wasn’t killed and hito was?

[Chemist1422]

Reundo voting mastina right as the Kerset wagon gains steam is noted

[Chemist1422]

I mean, if you hammer Reundo D1 there you get cred, which gets rid of the suspicion you got for shading Reundo

[Chemist1422]

I think I’m gonna reread today then decide later tonight

[Chemist1422]

To be fair I failed a Turing test one time

[Chemist1422]

I'd rather have it confirmed that Kerset and Reundo are indeed scum before thinking about Bitmap

ebwop

honestly?

I think this is the most definite thing we're gonna get this game

[Chemist1422]

We seem pretty sold as a group on me/hito/Chem just not getting lynched this game, and I think i'm fine with that.
We literally just need to bank on one other person being town, and we're good. We don't even need to do it mechanically (and considering the contention/not-totally-clearness of it all I'm not convinced going at it mechanically is the right way at all tbh).

By play, I think Shadow/Jingle both look significantly more towny than Kerset/ofrhz.

There's also this

[Chemist1422]

VOTE: Kerset

gg either way

[Chemist1422]

so, jingle

does my reputation of "throwing" F3s continue

[Chemist1422]

should've called me a gamethrower then :v