BooneyToonz UPick: Boon There, Done That [END]

[GeorgeBailey]

I'm glad I get to boon with you all.

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

TrueBoonEnergy

[GeorgeBailey]

I'm an expert in aaaaaaaaaa

[GeorgeBailey]

Aw, well then UNVOTE: TSE

[GeorgeBailey]

the only downside to this plan is....closed setup, who knows to what extent it can be abusable by actual scum, yada yada

Yeah, I'm guessing scum wants to keep you alive as long as possible. Which will be interesting.

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: Venus and Saturn
I think those are the right planets.

Anyways, this slot looks promising.

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: Venus and Mars

Mistakes were made

[GeorgeBailey]

If he was scum who could "cancerously millerize" town and neuter cops, why even claim it?

He could just target his scum allies I guess.

Which is why the targets should probably be:

1 on Miller. And 1 on the most confirmed Town for D1. Since there's no way to mechanically TR them after that.

[GeorgeBailey]

I put on my robe and wizard hat

[GeorgeBailey]

a presumably policy vote on TSE

That was actually my RVS. I kinda know the guy so I wanted some sort of reaction from him. I switched after nothing really happened with him.

followed by a vote on someone who's not here

Ye, what's wrong with voting people who havent even posted yet? I like to sort people after everyone has atleast posted a few times.

[GeorgeBailey]

He's also not participated in any form of mech chat.

Now that's just inaccurate. I tried to give my 2 cents on Vecna's role earlier. This my first UPick though so bleh.

To follow up on it. Krazy mentioned their "miller" status could be removed, but wouldn't they still be the best target since it would require a night action to possibly remove it?

Also lynching Vecna today is not the best route lmao.

[GeorgeBailey]

Alright, sorry for lurking. Work has been dumb this week. Right now I'm thinking nomnomnom.

VOTE: nomnomnom I dont see why over-explaining things make people scummy. It seemed like an attempt to bring the game out of RVS phase.

[GeorgeBailey]

Multiple people attacked jjh for "over-explaining" - that say anything to you?

Yeah, it could be a push from scum. Scum can slip sometimes when they both present the same logic that barely differs from person to person.

[GeorgeBailey]

I dont see anything scummy from the fonz tbh. He seems like low-activity null rn.

[GeorgeBailey]

So... you're saying multiple scum "slipped" by offering the same logic for a push, and that's more probable than the simple alternative of their argument holding some merit?

I dont think it holds merit though. I'd rather someone be confident on their reads than be dilly-dallying around who they want to push. Espeon and Kake's case on jj seem suspicious, but nom's logic doesnt make sense on JJ.

Also, if you use Occam's razor (I'm guessing that's what you were using) on every instance everyone would be townread.

[GeorgeBailey]

You know Auro, you'd really get along with Guiltylion for no reason in particular.

[GeorgeBailey]

2 unexplained lazy votes back to back.

I'll admit they were lazy. But they're not unexplained. First was an RVS and for you it was an inactive slot push.

And I knew you were planets but I dont remember all the moons sailor so I cant remember which one. I remember the black cat atleast. Also formatting on mobile is the worse.

Vecnas targets are pretty important though, so I thought I'd chime in for a solution that doesn't involve policy lynching him.

[GeorgeBailey]

What does GL have to do with anything?

A bad joke I already regret making

Spoiler:

His pfp is Hobbes

[GeorgeBailey]

@George: No that's not how Occam works

What, that's not the simplest answer?

[GeorgeBailey]

But in this gamestate I don't find why being relaxed is towny.

Pretty much, especially since no one has been put under any kind of substantial pressure right now.

[GeorgeBailey]

There's probably something beneficial to town for Vecna's role. I don't see why a role would be so blatantly anti-town. Maybe people who are cured get some sort of buff?
It's possible there's a doc right now who's reluctant to claim because they'll probably get NK'd.

[GeorgeBailey]

With a bunch of nulls, probably. I TR like 4 people right now.

[GeorgeBailey]

Town

Jjh927, Venus and Mars
Krazy Katz, Auro

Null:

Vecna, Titus, Sore feet, Mechanic, The Fonz, Conspire, BooneyToonzExpert, Davesaz, Chronos
Chkflip, Kakeguri Addicts
nomnomnom

Scum

The lucky 4 gets a "nice" from me in a consecutive post

[GeorgeBailey]

nice

[GeorgeBailey]

Auro who are your top townreads right now?

Spoiler:

nice

[GeorgeBailey]

This is blatant misrepresentation of what was said, don't like.

Not really though, the exact quote is:

I'm not comfortable with letting Vecna live.

Why is it unreasonable to assume that he wants to vote out Vecna when he said this?

[GeorgeBailey]

Good to know you townread people more than you townread yourself

[GeorgeBailey]

Unrelated but last game I played I actually re-checked my role PM because I felt everyone else was town, at one point

That's one way to rethink your sanity lmao

[GeorgeBailey]

I guess people just grow extra heads now huh

It seems like fun, especially in this kind of setup lmao.

[GeorgeBailey]

Why would a doc claim, especially on D1?

I think i worded it awkwardly, but that was my point. If there is an up-side to this then doc would not want to out right now.

I think we should atleast leave him for a D2 lynch if nothing good resolves. But i feel like theres more to come.

If there are protown aspects to Vecna’s role, why hasn’t he claimed them?

Either he wont for fear of NK, or can't. I dont see why he would claim such an anti-town mechanic without some sort of way to make it pro-town. Maybe to stay alive longer? But then again I have no idea how Vecna plays.

BEF was voluntary sfv in LNT, there were no protown aspects to his role.

But sfv blocks all actions that aren't kills, right? That seems like it could block scum PRs too. There has to be more to his role than meets the eye. Vecna just seems like too easy of a lynch for scum.

[GeorgeBailey]

lol I wonder if I should scumread you for not shittunneling anyone day 1 george

Ohh, I only do that when I'm super sure of a read. And even then I'm mostly wrong.

(This is Krazy from the game I just lost... right?....)

[GeorgeBailey]

Nvm lmao yeah it's you. Haha, no hard feelings.... riiiiiight?

[GeorgeBailey]

Well, less so Skitter's read. I just thought the "evil pit" was convincing tbh. It really fit the theme of the game. When the PT gets released it'll be a little more clear.

[GeorgeBailey]

Well, i fucked up then sorry. I'm still trying to get the hang of the game. I still can barely fucking win newbie games so that should speak for itself.

[GeorgeBailey]

I was literally just gonna ask Conspire to clarify their take on Titus. She seems like nothing to me rn so I'll take a gander.

[GeorgeBailey]

Also it is really fucking weird that you guys started talking about brain worms in a game with worms before there was any flip of worms

That was just bugs. But yeah really weird coincidence. After mafia worm flipped my first thought was "this is gonna fuck us over isn't it?".

[GeorgeBailey]

Ok, went through Titus's ISO and she still doesnt seem that scummy. Her vote on Chkflip is a little questionable, but she's been consistantly scumreading chronos and chkflip. We share the same TR for Nancy, and I dont think her push on chkflip for the Vecna comment is unreasonable or a misrep.

[GeorgeBailey]

flashtake on Mechanic?

-K

Probably gonna vote Mechanic depending on nom's response. The fact that Titus's post is the only thing that stood out to them at the time is weird.

[GeorgeBailey]

Liquor stores are closed but I have this magical leaf stuff we grow in Canada. If that can count.

[GeorgeBailey]

Winning or losing a newbie game is not a sign of skill. The important thing is to understand. Comprehend or not, there is no try.

Well, I'm learning from them so I guess that's a start. My first two games were painful.

[GeorgeBailey]

You poor thing.

I wouldn't wish being sober on my worst enemy.

[GeorgeBailey]

There's definitely no toilet paper around I can assure you that.

I saw people buying like 50 packages of them.

[GeorgeBailey]

How many of you guys bought corona just to spite the virus lolol

-K

I genuinely love corona with a lime tho.

Spoiler:

So yes

[GeorgeBailey]

The more of I think of it, the more I wanna push this slot. So hell yeah I'll sheep this.

VOTE: Mechanic

Nom is probably gonna comment on my push on them anyways.

@Mechanic what are your thoughts Espeonage's recent posts?

[GeorgeBailey]

Conspire. I mean Conspire. I think that's someone from a different game.

[GeorgeBailey]

I think I said that cause theres an espeon in their avi lmao.

[GeorgeBailey]

Hi the best

[GeorgeBailey]

This picture is for WOOPER ONLY

Spoiler:

[GeorgeBailey]

Is that my cue to stop

[GeorgeBailey]

Lmao. I even checked and I'm not in any games with espionage. So idek how i mixed up their names.

[GeorgeBailey]

I don't buy it. What are you hiding, George?

-Cosmic

My role lets me know people's main.

/s

[GeorgeBailey]

Something completely went over some people’s heads. lmfao

Yeah, I'm talking about our maple leafs of course.

It's in our flag.

[GeorgeBailey]

Hugs, not drugs, kids.

[GeorgeBailey]

Krazy r u ok

[GeorgeBailey]

booze and cereal

And Irish breakfast.

Well done.

[GeorgeBailey]

Policy lynch all anime.

[GeorgeBailey]

I can't wait for the day I actually try alcohol and get buzzed and come drunkpost on MS!

It's something you look forward to until you actually do it.

[GeorgeBailey]

Last time I posted drunk, Drew tried to get me mislynched because typos.

Last time I posted high, i used the wrong name for a vote and someone thought i was part of a scum PT.

[GeorgeBailey]

idgaf if auro is scum he's like, being a cool scummbutt and still being proactive and shit

That's kinda why I tr him. He's been generally asking questions and following up on stuff.

[GeorgeBailey]

Drew tinfoiled that it was some scum message and I was faking being tipsy and pretending to make typos

That's the most tinfoil shit lmao.

[GeorgeBailey]

and hey, after all, we can just assume that if scum haven't killed him by day 4 that he's confscum because otherwise the scumbutts would be afraid of him solving the game!!!!!

So Auro basically has 4 days to solve.

Better get cracking Auro.

[GeorgeBailey]

You have a kizma profile picture.

yes

[GeorgeBailey]

Yes.

[GeorgeBailey]

i now have a picture in my mind of david tennant and what i imagine you to look like naked in a bathtub with him sponging you
hope you're pleased with yourself

That must be the worst

[GeorgeBailey]

Scum makes more excuses about rl

Do you find it scum indicative then?

[GeorgeBailey]

ok, but to be fair Jake basically suicided D1.

[GeorgeBailey]

Uhh well for example ep talked about trains for a while but when I asked her to sell you as scum she stopped and then had to wallpost not on you scum but on her not-scum like an hour later

So yeah that was like wildly scummy

I feel like this game will come up a lot during this game.

But yeah that makes more sense in retrospect.

[GeorgeBailey]

I think the only other role claimed was Krazy being a miller.

[GeorgeBailey]

Krazy are you still drunk

[GeorgeBailey]

I've just realised Chronos sounds a bit like Corona

Scumlocked

[GeorgeBailey]

Titus's claim was super early and didn't really tell us much. Only that she can add loyal/disloyal mods to items, and potentially other things.

What is there even to be said about it?

[GeorgeBailey]

Chronos is a cool name

[GeorgeBailey]

It's like the greek god Zeus of thunfder zeus

[GeorgeBailey]

@Conspire why are you voting Titus right now? I'm not really understanding your push

[GeorgeBailey]

Power went out for 10 minutes in middle of a pandemic and for a minute I really did think it was the end days

Buy more toilet paper

[GeorgeBailey]

What's the Mechanic wagon about? Activity?

His catch-up post was lackluster. The fact that Titus's post was the only thing he brought up to scumread, and that he's parking his vote on Titus is something to push him for.

Plus, if his opinion has changed then we'd still like his insight on current events.

[GeorgeBailey]

I like to think God is watching upon his creation, me, and thinking "What an absolute moron

This part is at least relatable.

[GeorgeBailey]

yeah feel like scum is either a) doing nothing or b) one scum or two are doing a pretty good job of emulating town tone right now

That's what scum wants you to think

[GeorgeBailey]

Vecna I do think is town I just don't care if he's not going to do any work into establishing who an acceptable second target for his millerize would be or help us deal with the clusterfuck of crunch bullshit his role seems to necessitate

Do you have an idea for the second target?

[GeorgeBailey]

Not really, no, and while town will need to decide if Vecna isn't getting d1'd right now him giving no direction on his feelings makes it easier to say he should just go

Yeah, Vecna said he'd respond today so hopefully that can be worked out.

[GeorgeBailey]

Vecna's blatant apathy towards his wagon is....

[GeorgeBailey]

What % of people got what they asked for?

~Venus

Is mentioning picks angle shooting?

That's out of game, right?

[GeorgeBailey]

However, discussing picks could possibly border on rolefishing or premature claiming, so I was definitely not suggesting that but I know I got what I asked for, so how does anyone get an extremely antitown role in a uPick. It definitely does make you wonder.

Ah, alright. I was just asking because the way I sent in mine, I didn't really ask for a role. They were just picks that were neutral in alignment. Maybe Vecna sent it in the same way?

But I kinda don't really want to give him the benefit of the doubt anymore.... I'm going to wait for the VC then probably switch to Vecna.

[GeorgeBailey]

There's almost no way I could see talking about picks being angle-shooting given they are directly related to this game

Well, I was only asking cause in mbos everyone was talking about a typo in the role pm being angleshooting. Role PM's are related to the game, and I tried to avoid that convo as much as possible lmao.

But good to know this isn't angle shooting.

[GeorgeBailey]

This is really weak.

Oh shush, your recent push on Dave ain't the best.

What is weird about that? And why do you think they are vote worthy?

Like, the only thing that stood out to him in all those posts was Titus's one post?

[GeorgeBailey]

I think he must have flaked, it’s almost 4 days now, the slot hasn’t posted. Boon needs to keep a much tighter rein on these slots that exceed well beyond prodge range.

Yeah, I don't think this slot is going to respond anytime soon. Vecna's a better choice right now anyways, so i'll wait for the VC and see. I don't wanna accidentally hammer him.

[GeorgeBailey]

Wait a second.... earlier you said it's possible this could be multi-ball....right? Is it possible there's a jester?

[GeorgeBailey]

I love Jesters

[GeorgeBailey]

Wait a second.... earlier you said it's possible this could be multi-ball....right? Is it possible there's a jester?

Disregard this...... I think I need more sleep.

[GeorgeBailey]

What if this game is just 17 jesters

[GeorgeBailey]

unjester
unlyncher

Spoiler:

[GeorgeBailey]

those sound like the most baked roles lmao

[GeorgeBailey]

Vecna, who are you thinking for your two infection targets?

[GeorgeBailey]

3 i'm pretty sure.

1 Vecna Infectious Millerizer
1 KrazyKat Miller
1 Titus Item/thing (idk what she exactly does tbh)

[GeorgeBailey]

Vecna, who are you thinking for your two infection targets?

[GeorgeBailey]

I think this is what Vecna meant by pops hydra

I thought Pops was the anon head in Krazy Kat, so I thought that's what he mean

[GeorgeBailey]

I think this is what Vecna meant by pops hydra

I thought Pops was the anon head in Krazy Kat, so I thought that's what he mean

[GeorgeBailey]

vecna you need to claim the pro town power you alluded to
game is stalled and i dont think significant wagons are gonna be possible until we answer "is vecna the d1 play"

Vecna, I'd like to hear exactly what gives you the impression that Boon is suggesting there's more to how the role functions. Paraphrase please.

[GeorgeBailey]

I suggest he doesn't answer that and he should absolutely be considered townie for not answering it.

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Jesus that's blatant.

How is this blatant?

[GeorgeBailey]

I'm glad Vecna started posting recently, since they finally showed how their role is beneficial to Town.

As for current vote, I don't think RCE is particularly scummy right now. They're a lot better than Mechanic right now

I'm feeling good on BTE.

VOTE: BooneyToonsExpert

[GeorgeBailey]

I got a present

[GeorgeBailey]

who has not played with nancy titus or jjh hmmmmm

Can confirm that this is the case.

-Cosmic

*blink* Welcome to the newbie. It's a rare person that hasn't seen my brand of moonlogic. Throw in Nancy, Shiro and jjh and damn

Because of Dancing puppets, does that mean I only played... half of you and Nancy?

I also have poisonous barb. Do I give it to you?

[GeorgeBailey]

i received one

[GeorgeBailey]

I also received the same item. Not sure if that means it was given to me to use, or used on me.

Fonz claimed too I think

[GeorgeBailey]

Tbh I don't mind pushing KA. Their reasons for vote on the Fonz doesn't make a lot of sense.

VOTE: Kakeguri Addicts

[GeorgeBailey]

I woke up, continued playing that new stellaris dlc

No amount of dlc can fix that game

[GeorgeBailey]

Ty JJ

[GeorgeBailey]

Thoughts on KA?

[GeorgeBailey]

I got a present

Was this the poisonous barb?

Yes, but I was very hesitant to out.

[GeorgeBailey]

IF YOU'RE TOWN, WHICH I SO VERY DOUBT BY YOUR PLAY, you're nothing more than a floating turd with more write-up bullshit associated with it.

Way too excessive of a tone. There's also a much better lynch than Venus right now.

[GeorgeBailey]

@Michael, has Volxen posted yet?

[GeorgeBailey]

That's unfortunate. But good to see KA is back, i'm looking forward to the wallpost.

[GeorgeBailey]

@JJ can you say why you're so adamant on voting my slot?

I've mostly just been skimming since the stellaris dlc came out and trying to respond to shit that's aimed at me

But right now I don't really see much to follow up on. Just a bunch of shit I disagree with

and then I remember I'm voting George Bailey. And I look through the playerlist to remind me who's playing, and there is nobody I want to vote more than George Bailey. So George Bailey is a good vote rn

Not Vecna, not Titus, not Venus and Mars, not RCEnigma, not Davesaz, not anybody else who people are voting or thinking of voting right now. George Bailey.

Like, this post feels like you're rubbing it in my face that I've been acting super scummy.

[GeorgeBailey]

What is animal crossing?

Furry propaganda

[GeorgeBailey]

Yeah, I'm feeling less confident on

Dave

too, but I have another question for him: Pregame, what impression did you have of how picks would work? That they would affect alignment/role, or both?

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

-Cosmic

Why do you have a question for Dave as you vote me, is there something you want to know from me?

[GeorgeBailey]

Hey, George, if you had to order everyone into a quick shotgun reads list, do you think you could manage that for me please? Reasons aren't necessary; I just want to see where your reads are at

Gimme a couple hours

[GeorgeBailey]

Yikes sorry, trying to catch up.

This is quite the wagon right on me.

[GeorgeBailey]

George shall die.

Now that's not very nice

[GeorgeBailey]

Hey, George, if you had to order everyone into a quick shotgun reads list, do you think you could manage that for me please? Reasons aren't necessary; I just want to see where your reads are at.

TR
Michael Scott, Venus and Mars
Jjh927, Krazy Katz, Vecna, Titus, Conspire
Null: Chkflip, Sore feet, RCEnigma,Chronos , BooneyToonzExpert (BEF??)
The Fonz, Davesaz, Kakeguri Addict
nomnomnoms
SR

Previously scumreading BTE, apparently they're BEF and that's a reason to townread him.

Nom's push on me feels really sheepish, as does Dave's. At least Nom said they didn't like my push on BTE, Dave literally just voted me with no explanation.

KA was still never pushed?

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: George Bailey
Seeing what this will do.

Like I really wanna push this, because it's obvious you're voting my wagon for survivalist purposes, and not because you find me Scummy. But me pushing it makes me a hypocrite. Big thonk.

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: davesaz
Seeing what this will do.

[GeorgeBailey]

sssssssssssssssssscum

Thoughts on KA?

[GeorgeBailey]

Don't you want to at least push them or vote them? Why do you want to vote to lynch me now when you don't even have a read on one of the slots?

[GeorgeBailey]

You're fine letting a slot do nothing AI? How would you know if they're Scum or Town?

[GeorgeBailey]

First days are for making flip controversial slots in priority.

If you really believed that, you'd be on the Vecna wagon.

[GeorgeBailey]

Totally fine with that since their alignment will be clear soon enough.

How so? Will their alignment be revealed through my flip?

[GeorgeBailey]

I wish Michael Scott was my boss

[GeorgeBailey]

His entire townpool has been people who have been talking

And...? Do you not agree on the townreads? You don't think Venus, JJ, or Michael Scott are town?

scumlean pool has been people that scumread him.

wrong, Chk and KA never scumleaned me. Davesaz is voting me but never expressed a scumread.

[GeorgeBailey]

I have Mike as scumlean so far.

Ok, and why is that? You've been pretty vague on your scumread on him.

I think Auro's slot in this gamestate is scummy considering his character and the fact that it's beneficial for scums to let things go when you have someone like Vecna claiming a massive neg utility role

Could you expand on this?

[GeorgeBailey]

I'm glad Vecna started posting recently, since they finally showed how their role is beneficial to Town.

As for current vote, I don't think RCE is particularly scummy right now. They're a lot better than Mechanic right now

I'm feeling good on BTE.

VOTE: BooneyToonsExpert

Yeah I see people bringing this up as a shitty vote.

I mean, Mechanic's replacement was doing a lot better, and I was slightly scumleaning BTE.

I thought I'd join their wagon. And then I got a barbed thing. I hope it doesn't kill me lmao.

[GeorgeBailey]

This is exactly this kind of post that makes me think you're scum.

The one I quoted or how I responded to it?

Cause the quoted part is I think 2 other people's scumread on me.

[GeorgeBailey]

*spanks Auro*

naughty naughty

Get a room you two

[GeorgeBailey]

1) Why do you have chkflip as null in your reads list in 2366? I think he's one of the easiest slots to form a read on. Do you think his anger/frustration is genuine?
That's the thing, i'm having a hard time reading his anger/frusteration. I believe the debacle between Venus and Chk has been getting quite toxic, so it's been hard to discern between scum theater and genuine emotions. I do like his recent postings though, his pushes on Nom prove a valid point.

2) Do you have any other reasons for scumreading Nomo other than what you mentioned in that same post? Additionally, why do you see her vote as sheepish? She was the second vote on you.

Yes, although I don't know what post you're referring to. One thing that really sticks out is this:

I think GB's going with the flow of the game and not really having any strong opinion of his own.

Like...???? Like you've been doing this whole game?

[GeorgeBailey]

1) Why do you have chkflip as null in your reads list in 2366? I think he's one of the easiest slots to form a read on. Do you think his anger/frustration is genuine?
That's the thing, i'm having a hard time reading his anger/frusteration.

I believe the debacle between Venus and Chk has been getting quite toxic, so it's been hard to discern between scum theater and genuine emotions. I do like his recent postings though, his pushes on Nom prove a valid point.

I screwed up the formatting. This was my reply to the first question.

[GeorgeBailey]

Something magical and demonic is in the air

i love that phil collins song

[GeorgeBailey]

I mean, a bunch of us are waiting for KA to post.

[GeorgeBailey]

I don't remember my grandma much

[GeorgeBailey]

i dont think she ever used a switch

[GeorgeBailey]

I copp'd Nom last night and got nothing.

So I trust her.

VOTE: Titus

[GeorgeBailey]

I also received a sticky fruit.

o

[GeorgeBailey]

wait, does sticky fruit stop cops?

[GeorgeBailey]

UNVOTE: Titua

[GeorgeBailey]

wow, out of all......

UNVOTE: Titus

[GeorgeBailey]

My poison barb crumbled to dusties

[GeorgeBailey]

I'm also a N1 suicidal cop

Same, but I targeted Nom who got sticky fruited. So RIP to that.

[GeorgeBailey]

At least RC can vouche for my copshot result.

[GeorgeBailey]

My barb "crumbled to dust" but I have 2 items apparently. I also didn't receive any sticky fruit that I'm aware of.

[GeorgeBailey]

Just got message from the mod saying I have 0 items and it was a typo. Makes more sense now lmao. The flavour text was that something hit into me, and it crumbled to dust.

So I don't know if that implies I was targeted for something. Possibly sticky fruit?

@Fonz I got the message I think near the end of Dawn.

[GeorgeBailey]

The flavour text was that something hit into me, and it crumbled to dust.

For the poison barb

[GeorgeBailey]

Also, I think boon basically inadvertently confirmed chkflp and I won’t be lynching there without a drastic change in gamestate.

How did Boon confirm chkflip? You think Boon would have a different response if Chk was Scum?

[GeorgeBailey]

Boon essentially admitted to the possibility of bastard elements. It's true that we don't know if what chk claimed is indeed that element or not.

I thought Bastard elements were clear when Krazy claimed Miller D1?

[GeorgeBailey]

Boon essentially admitted to the possibility of bastard elements. It's true that we don't know if what chk claimed is indeed that element or not.

I thought Bastard elements were clear when Krazy claimed Miller D1?

How is Miller a bastard role? but alignment changes are 100% bastard.

I swear someone told me it was a bastard role. But if it isn't then idk. I've never played against it.

[GeorgeBailey]

Well then, I think Titus is our best shot then.

VOTE: Titus

[GeorgeBailey]

Isn't that hammer? I swear I voted Titus already.

[GeorgeBailey]

Who's in a neighborhood?

I wanna join.

[GeorgeBailey]

On the KA wagon but not Titus:
JJH927
Conspire

VOTE: jjh927

[GeorgeBailey]

Why didn't you vote Titus?

[GeorgeBailey]

Pretty sure Dave is lock-town which is nice.

[GeorgeBailey]

Pretty sure Dave is lock-town which is nice.

Remind me of why this

Well, for me atleast. Because of:

I'm also a N1 suicidal cop (can't mention d1 or would die). Got a no result on my target. I'm gonna hold back on ID for a bit to see if conversation reveals why.

I trust his claim, mostly cause I had suicidal cop too.

[GeorgeBailey]

and it's kind of a townslip since i'm pretty sure no one mentioned they had a secret suicidal role until that point.

[GeorgeBailey]

And Dave wasn't the first to claim either... are you reading the game

my point was that he used the key term secret suicidal when everyone else danced around it. And JJ claimed really late, so yeah.

[GeorgeBailey]

Guys, read sore feet. Where's the solve motive there?

XToxm's earlier posts were pretty Townie though.

[GeorgeBailey]

No. Scum can have cops to find traitors. Also the whole thing is a gimmick meme so on the whole the role itself is nai, so even though you're right dave is probably trueclaiming I wouldn't say that part of his role makes him town

-K

Pedit: ninja'd but im posting it anyway

And I guess that's RIP to my town lock then. My reasoning was in line with Conspire's.

[GeorgeBailey]

I think you’re wrong on GB. His barb post burried her, so unless you think she put him up to that?

Titus was sinking doesn't really sound beyond her scum range.

His vote after hearing the cop result and subsecuant unvote when she had a chance of not getting lynched was what convinced me Titus was 1000% scum and with GB.

We can do rce first though if you feel more confident about it.

~Venus

@GB, any response to this?

I am really not confident at all or else I’d have already voted.

~Mars

I'm gonna be honest with you, that was just a really bad misplay that seemed to work out.

I pretty much thought that No result = Town, and that Nom outing the same one-shot I got, guaranteed her as Town.

I guess those actions seemed really suspicious, but I just didn't realize at the time that the fruit was blocking Nom.

[GeorgeBailey]

Also, though I do like chronos following the Titus vote. There is still the possibility Titus is calling the scumteam (mostly or completely) correctly and chronos frustration is coming from that. When they feel the pairing shouldn't be that obvious.

Did not read why Titus had that grouping in the first place and I'm also not sure I've seen Titus doing day 1 associations ever?

I mean like this one

Wouldn't scum be less blatant in their townread for their partner?

[GeorgeBailey]

So, is the case for RCE mostly his interactions with Titus?

[GeorgeBailey]

he just being the office man

[GeorgeBailey]

Titus is literally saying to RCE that she will bus him if he continues voting for the slot she has pocketed and invested effort in pocketing.

Wouldn't this be something she would say in the Scum PT?

[GeorgeBailey]

What's your read of him?

Scumlean, his past posts with Titus didn't really age well. The resistance against his wagon is also kind of clear. So that could be the scum team right now.

[GeorgeBailey]

I think I know what you're trying to do Michael. Sorry, I've just been lost.

I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up with reads but I think Conspire or RC are better choices than JJH.

[GeorgeBailey]

I'll write about Conspire in a bit but yeah these votes make sense since I haven't done shit in a while.

Pedit: I'm doing that now no worries

[GeorgeBailey]

On the KA wagon but not Titus:
JJH927
Conspire
davesaz

Alright, so bringing it back to BTE's info about people on KA wagon but not Titus. This is kind of my initial reason scumread Conspire, I think scum is incredibly likely to be at least 1 within these three.

And first of all, if you're calling me out for my votes lacking conviction, what is this?

Actually, it is kind of concerning how everyone is ok with RCE getting lynched while he isn’t even here. VOTE: BTE for now

~Esper

Conspire barely comments on this vote

[GeorgeBailey]

Titus [8]: Nomnomnom, Michael Scott, Chkflip, Chronos, Venus and Mars, Krazy Katz, GeorgeBailey, BooneyToonzExpert, ——— [EXECUTE]

By that extent, I think MichaelScott, Chk, and Chronos are confirmed town. The latter half gets icky with bussing so it's debatable.

[GeorgeBailey]

George, gun to your head, Davesaz or Sore Feet, who's scummier?

That's pretty difficult, but i'd probably say Sore Feet. I did like Xtom's early posts, (and I know this sounds weak, but sorry I don't particularly scumread them) but it feels like Sore feet is trying to explain their role in a Townie way, much like how Titus tried to do. If that makes sense....?

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: Conspire

[GeorgeBailey]

I've been pondering and alluding to RC earlier, but I think voting within those three would give us a greater chance at catching scum today.

[GeorgeBailey]

You sound like an interviewer who already decided I wont get the job lmao

[GeorgeBailey]

I mean, really my scumread is hinging on his early interactions with Titus. I can't find a role, did he claim? I've been keeping tabs on him, but he hasn't done anything extraordinarily scummy.

He was also on neither wagon, so not much analysis there I guess.

[GeorgeBailey]

@Fonz do you think there's scum in at least one of those 3?

[GeorgeBailey]

I think the fact that we were both 1-shot cops is blocking me from scumreading him. But him being on the list does raise a big red flag.

[GeorgeBailey]

I don’t understand this btw. Also I don’t think Titus wagon analysis is helpful at all; there was literally a guilty on her. What would be more useful would be looking at the context with which people were voting/not voting, but looks like everyone’s too lazy for that and we don’t have time now anyway

And? You don't think Scum would try and resist it? Being off-wagon explicitly shows you were against it.

[GeorgeBailey]

Do you think Titus was trying to bus me, @Conspire?

[GeorgeBailey]

and idk if it’s exactly scum indicative anyway because there was a guilty on her

I don't think her getting a guilty necessarily meant Town 100% believed nom. There was no way Nom was confirmed, so trusting her was taking a leap of faith.

[GeorgeBailey]

To be honest, I think Scum would want to be on the wagon, knowing the guilty is accurate.

I want to say that the tail end votes would arguably be the most suspicious, but i'm on there. so...

[GeorgeBailey]

Why would you lie about a cop guilty? If you were wrong, and with the conviction nomnom had, you’d just be lynched the next day. Scum don’t do that and that’s why I believed her yesterday

~Esper

Lying about a cop guilty is definitely something you can pull off in this kind of setup.

[GeorgeBailey]

Why would I try and pass the barbs? I don't understand the motive.

[GeorgeBailey]

It sounded like a cool mechanic, and I haven't been able to use my role, (and I might never tbh) so I wanted at least something lmao.

[GeorgeBailey]

Also, this stance contradicts the idea you think the scum were off wagon.

My stance is that Town couldn't have 100% known nom's guilty was correct. Was nom off-wagon d2??

[GeorgeBailey]

Well it's an item you couldn't use...

...and?

I knew it probably had a passive effect.

[GeorgeBailey]

Wait, were you not allowed to pass an item and use your role action?

no no, that's not what I meant.

I'll probably have to claim so lemme just tell you that i've been unsuccessful with my role.

[GeorgeBailey]

So if you thought it had a detrimental effect, pass to your SR, or if beneficial effect to your TR. Or just pass to Titus as well who was claiming to be able to make the barbs useful to town. I don't understand the mind set that deliberately avoids doing something confirmable.

I didn't know if it did either good or bad things tbh. Why would passing it to anyone make it confirmable?

[GeorgeBailey]

And if I passed it to Titus, Nom might not have been able to Cop-shot her.

[GeorgeBailey]

Claim picks too, btw.

Only if you subscribe to my onlyfans

[GeorgeBailey]

It's like visiting. The larger the pool of known/claimed night actions, the easier it is to spot where people are lying.

??? If I was scum I could literally just ask my partner to say I passed it to him. I don't see how this confirms anything. And if it's any sentiment, I've never played a game like this, so passing it on wasn't my first instinct.

[GeorgeBailey]

xD

I love this, can I use this for future posts?

[GeorgeBailey]

George is saying town couldn't know the guilty was accurate, BUT WANTS TO LYNCH OFF WAGON.

Conspire is making the point that being off the Titus wagon isn't scum indicative because Nom's guilty basically confirmed Titus was scum, and scum could have known to bus early.

I'm saying that's not true because there was nothing confirming Nom.

[GeorgeBailey]

"xD" or the post? Either way sure

thank you my friend

[GeorgeBailey]

I always buy my paper from dunder mifflin

[GeorgeBailey]

if you're making me want to not lynch you, it's slightly working

Why do you think i'm beetlejuicing?

[GeorgeBailey]

gahh fine, I really hope I don't get Nk'd for this

[GeorgeBailey]

okok