Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[Aristophanes]

This defeatism feels manipulative and scummy tbh Saudade.

[Aristophanes]

you listened to it ONLY NOW?!

I don't even know what song that is tbh

[Aristophanes]

This defeatism feels manipulative and scummy tbh Saudade.

Easy for you to say you're not the one whose been exhausted by rc

I beg to differ. This game is indeed exhausting but giving up isn't helping you here is all I'm saying.

and to be fair I don't really care, this is your game I'm just repping into a slot

Imo if you replace into a game it becomes your game and it would be nice if you felt this way too

This defeatism feels manipulative and scummy tbh Saudade.

And it isn’t scummy when RC does it because....?

There is a very different tone and the trajectory also differed, at least to me it seemed.

[Aristophanes]

Guys please, not again.

[Aristophanes]

You were very cordial last night. I didn't see any screaming.

[Aristophanes]

For the record btw, this is not an in game "neutral third party" claim

[Aristophanes]

It shouldn't matter.

This has little to do with actual gameplay and is horrible for the game, players, amd both of you especially.

Thank you, Math. RC, can we not?

[Aristophanes]

Btw Ari just claimed serial killer get him

HURT: Aristophanes

Shit you're good!

Btw Ari just claimed serial killer get him

He’s woefully inefficient leave him alone XD

He’s probably scum or town *joking tone*

Oh sure, point out my inefficiency

[Aristophanes]

Are these raps? Because I don't know many raps.

[Aristophanes]

Nice pagetop Implo!

Another day, another round of mostly math rc ari and me posting
lovely

Yurp.

Also my musics Q was to you Saudade

[Aristophanes]

Coolio!

I do try to stay somewhat current

[Aristophanes]

Ari, can we talk about something?

It seems somewhat out of character for you to want to lynch Saudade just to shut him up. Agree? Disagree?

Agree.

I think he has some scum potential and I like shos less for the lynch today, as noted.

Of those left, Saudade is the most likely lynch with the most scum equity, and I once again like the wagon makeup for the most part.

[Aristophanes]

I do find his spamming of the thread as he did scummy as well, and his giving up has not helped his case.

[Aristophanes]

Can I have ~24 hours before I respond to that question

vla weekend.

I guess you get 48 hours

[Aristophanes]

nice
vla tuesday i've exam too

Good luck!!!

[Aristophanes]

(V)ery free/re(LA)xing until Monday

Hmu if, like, anyone is around.

[Aristophanes]

I think you'd make a great murderer fwiw.

UwU

[Aristophanes]

Unvote me before you go you dumdum

but I like this vote

[Aristophanes]

Unvote me before you go you dumdum

but I like this vote

Other than your RC train where would you rather it be placed? Who else is scum?

[Aristophanes]

I mean, Imma hang at some point and I accepted that already XD

Unless Math dies

but I'm not shooting him again tonight

[Aristophanes]

Unvote me before you go you dumdum

but I like this vote

Other than your RC train where would you rather it be placed? Who else is scum?

vote skitty 29

Need a better option. For one thing, someone who might actually happen. For another, maybe a mutual scumread instead of one of my townreads?

[Aristophanes]

Ari if you're town the consensus view of the game is probably trash and Saudade is the only scum we can reasonably get a lynch on today. I'm just saying, like, my uncertainty on you may not engender confidence but Saud is still a scummy boy

Don't worry, I wasn't going to unvote him. I was trying to get more words out of him so we could like, have associatives and stuff. But I don't feel like waiting 3 days for that so I'll just tell you this now haha

[Aristophanes]

I mean, Imma hang at some point and I accepted that already XD

Unless Math dies

but I'm not shooting him again tonight

Clearly not.

You’re going to shoot implosion for providing those awesome vote counts /s

Or maybe a null kill because the game is going swimmingly for you /s

Pretty much VLA the whole weekend

V/LA until sometime

Maybe I'll just not kill so RC can never guilty me

[Aristophanes]

You've literally never once this game given a reason that you don't want to lynch Saudade btw
Also, you guys have the worst mutual associatives of possibly any slot in the game? So the fact that you're both hard defending each other without giving reasons isn't helping anyone if you're town.

Also, this.

Alright
I don't wanna lynch Saudade
Can anyone of those on his wagon tell me why they are there, pleaz?

Why not? What about this slot seems towny to you??

[Aristophanes]

Alright
I don't wanna lynch Saudade
Can anyone of those on his wagon tell me why they are there, pleaz?

Why not? What about this slot seems towny to you??

I should also clarify that I know I made the "these are townposts" post earlier, but overall the slot has scummy associatives and is in the potential lynchpool so it's really the optimal slot for today, as RC noted earlier.

[Aristophanes]

I'll ask, but only lightly. This has for the most part been my same sans the team. Occasional input from them tho

They are always welcome for input and stuff and if you have any questions I'll definitely bring their attention to them!

[Aristophanes]

Skitter is extremely townie saudade and I don't know why you'd think that of all people he is the one scum. Hm?

@ari I think I put a ??? There too, then I wasn't sure so I removed it, then forgot to go back to it

like you didn't get an answer from this even...

Oh yeah, I meant to follow up on that.

The non-answer was noted tho.

[Aristophanes]

Uggh do I need to read the last 10 pages where RC grills RCE and shows they're not understanding the game (from what I skimmed) and convinced Math and Saudade to vote RCE because, and I'm assuming here, he's feeling ingenuous and wrong in what he is saying and RC seems right to them for once?

Or did I mostly nail it.

[Aristophanes]

KK Slated for first thing in the morning then unless I can't sleep tn

[Aristophanes]

No rush to read it

I really just did that whole thing for in case I die tonight.

Ah cool np, I definitely will give it a read through at your recommendation

[Aristophanes]

Hey guys
VOTE: NO LYNCH
VOTE: xtomx

Any of these can work

.....

We could always go back to voting you XD

[Aristophanes]

Hey guys
VOTE: NO LYNCH
VOTE: xtomx

Any of these can work

why the fuck are you so insistent on defending saudade to the point that you're willing to NL over him

I'm not defending saudade. I've actually never seen anyone attack him, it's just votes. I disagree.
also NL is OK since we're 12 alive

I have both towncased and scumcased him.

Also if we NL today we just end up in this same damned mess tomorrow and shit man, I don't know why we would do that to ourselves!

[Aristophanes]

I should properly read up I guess...

[Aristophanes]

Is Nancy Drew following the game? Can I have her thoughts?

I'd be interested in thoughts from anyone on your team, to be honest.

To follow up with this, I do actually have thoughts from both my teammates.

Well, kinda.

Nancy said Xtoxm might be town, but in a very unsure tone and without any elaboration.

Auro says this looks like scum Saudade and we should stop overthinking it and just pull the trigger already. Because even for those not in the game or even actively reading, the fact that this is still only in D2 is astonishing. RC is a "sort later" for Auro though I'm still solid on my read there. RCE is apparently a townread for reasons they have long forgotten so meh because stale read. Oh, and @Xtomx who "has been fairly active" apparently RC has 66x your postcount as of last night which is...I mean sure he posts a little but much but a 1:66 post ratio is crazy XD It also garnered a light scum-feel from Auro on your slot.

That's what I've got from the team atm.

[Aristophanes]

Note to self that 6050 is where the RCE case begins. I don't think I'm going to bother reading that today because, as Auro said, this day has run too long as we just need to lynch Saudade and get on with it already!

[Aristophanes]

I think we've all gotten a ton out of this phase, I think it's time to end it, and I don't think RCE is the right wagon to end it on.

Oh, RC already said my thoughts.

Awesome! XD

Sidenote, I skipped from 6050 to this post, 6275, because it all seemed RCE-centric and I'm just not into reading it all atm.

Secondarily, there are up to 5 days left in this phase. Can we please not use them all? Please??

Uh, yeah Imma stop being distracted and just read from here now. Sorry about all the empty posts here.

[Aristophanes]

If RC is town it’s likely RCE + prob teacher (mainly Titus read) + maaaaaybe shos (personal townread just trying to find third)

I really really don't think this is it and you're going to tunnel me if we lynch a townie today so I need us to lynch scum today.

RC, don't forget that a BoP only applies if you are pushing the lynch. If Shos is lynched today and flips town, it has been noted that you are uncertain on the slot and have conflicted thoughts. There is no reason to imagine you will be lynched on BoP because we lynched a townie if you were not the one who was pushing to lynch said townie.

Like I've skimmed a lot of posts where you start to freak out a bit because if we don't lynch scum you are going to die. But that's almost a misrep of the gamestate and I just thought I'd mention it explicitly so it is out there and if people do try to push you for lynching a townie when you explicitly said they should not be the lynch then please feel free to reference this and call them bad

[Aristophanes]

its all about surivvaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal

It should all be about leading the town to a victory as sometimes dying is the best thing for us even as townies and maybe when up against a probable lynch spewing town or displaying reads clearly with argumentation so that conftown views can be looked upon after your death is like, best play even if you aren't going to live to see them followed through on.

But maybe that's just me.

[Aristophanes]

u

I'm in one more game rn which Sausage replaced out of.

Flopz

This isn't really too big a deal in this case but in the future

Do NOT talk about Ongoing Games!!!

I will not elaborate any further at the moment but there is a fine line between what is acceptably said and what is not.
As a rule, just pretend any and all games only exist within their own thread and nowhere else.

Sometimes a harmless comment can have game changing effects and it is best to air on the side of caution in every respect here.

This has been a PSA from Ari
Thanks for listening

[Aristophanes]

Woohoo I'm actually all caught up and it's taken me only 7 hours on and off!
VOTE: xtomx
I actually think a policy Lynch+night action results will be the best

What's your rationale behind this being the best course of events?

This game's D1 was a shitshow, and it appears that the lack ofnightkill basically made D2 the same as D1, nothing to go on. May as well lynch policy lurker, or even nolynch to get the numbers back to odd.

"This game is a shitshow because we had no kill last night and had nothing to go on today. Let's continue that trend by killing either nobody or a low-poster with few to no associatives so we can start fresh with nothing to go on D3 as well, making D3 the same as D1." - shos, basically.

Like fuck.

[Aristophanes]

i'm p happy to end the day with a saudade lynch

pedit yeah he thinks no lynching is a good idea here apparently

Cool!

[Aristophanes]

I'm sorry you feel that way

[Aristophanes]

TTH/Antihero

I miss these guys. Are they still around?

[Aristophanes]

i should be good to start catching up today

is saud on L-1 right now?

Au contraire.

Ico voted shos but Flopz joined us so there are 4 votes on Saudade atm.

[Aristophanes]

Oh, Ico is you.

I thought that was skitty for unknown reasons

[Aristophanes]

I also keep thinking Flopz is Saudade and I have not seen a single xtoxm post without having to scroll back to see it.

I think I'm losing it XD

[Aristophanes]

or Ari, right about now I hate them both equally

Is this because of my superior meming?

Because I mean, it's pretty fun on my end and breaks the monotony of textwalls

[Aristophanes]

Ur memes ain't shit

My memes dunk on ur memes

Wanna go?

Boyo next time I'm on from home you are so on!

[Aristophanes]

Also Nancy has Skitter and Ico townreads so nice that were on the same page here

[Aristophanes]

@math: I think it’s more a foreign language issue rather than A slip, but appreciate it.

What “L” are we at. I’m ready to go sau I think.

It’s my birthday so limited availability today but will be skimming.

4/7, so L-3 atm.

Also Happy Birthday

[Aristophanes]

Can you get her to explain the skitter townread in her own words and then you paraphrase it for me, if possible?

Yee, I'll get back to you with this.

[Aristophanes]

Well my two towns got together, and I’m fine with it even if I’d rather either saud or RC.

VOTE: shos

You can literally L-2 Saudade but you are instead voting shos.

If you would rather lynch there, bote there

[Aristophanes]

Bote*

[Aristophanes]

Fuck! XD

[Aristophanes]

I'm not moving my vote for peace

Frustrating.

Teacher, Bella, someone! Vote Saudade so Math can hammer plz

This day

Make it end

Please

[Aristophanes]

Inb4 he refuses to claim

[Aristophanes]

Inb4 mason

Oooooo thats a good prediction actually XD

[Aristophanes]

I don't mind if this loynch fails to go through, NL is an eligible option the way I see it. You're all going to get a big fat I TOLD YOU SO when you say 'shit, what do we do with this one' in lategame regarding xtomx

What is it with you and no lynching?

What is it with you and xtoxm!?

Wtf is it with you and not wanting to see Saudade lynched!?!?!?!?

[Aristophanes]

.....???????

12 alive
5 confirmed town

Means 4 scum in 7 players remaining

Do the math.

I mean, wouldn't that make masons less likely here?

[Aristophanes]

K so that was a scumclaim can we hammer once RC gets his info plz?

[Aristophanes]

misrepping me until the very end

You were fun while ya lasted but I'm glad we caught you!

Sorry there's no dead chat for you to meme in.

[Aristophanes]

RC I lol'd along don't worry

[Aristophanes]

No answer from Nancy yet. Do we have to wait?? We literally have claimed scum.

[Aristophanes]

(c'mon Math, thats like the perfect set up for you to point out its not actual conf!scum. Man, I was so hoping to see that, I was even laughing to myself as typing. Well, at least one of us is amused )

[Aristophanes]

Magical mistaristophanes

Why did I just spend my time making this!?!?!?
GDI RC!

[Aristophanes]

Btw has anyone claimed D2 to have been neighbourized? If so that is probtown

I was also going to ask this.

If you were neighbourized by Saudade/Tris please speak up and elaborate on anything from the PT that could lead to a lynch.

I think shos is likely a better lynch than Xtoxm today but we shall see. I will look them back over and whatnot tho.

Xtoxm, what words do you have for us about this game now that we have a scum flip and we have RC out of the game and conftown? I'd love to get your thoughts on a lot of things and am unsure where to start, so how about a readslist and we'll go from there?

[Aristophanes]

Bella!
Thanks for the claim, that's interesting.

Claims/flips so far are:
- Town Joat (Detective, Tracker, Motion Detector)
- Doctor
- Jailkeeper
- Scum Multitasking Neighbourizer

How do these fit in together?

[Aristophanes]

I'm a simple doc btw

can only target vanilla roles

*can only protect* vanilla roles

Oooo that's neat actually!

Hi Ari, have a look at my 6680 if you please. It's applicable to anyone who feels shos is better lynch then xtoxm right now.

I shall thanks

[Aristophanes]

Nononononono
Claiming now would not mean anything. Only if this was claimed BEFORE the flip does it make someone town.

I still want the claim if there is one to be made tho

[Aristophanes]

math are you actually scum here?

are you scum who tried to stop saud from being lynched and are now doing the same with xtoxm?

If we lynch xtoxm today, and that flips scum, math is like ++scum with Bella's claim in play wtf

I had the same incling but I don't want to give in to fear yet.

Where was the N1 kill then tho? RCE??

[Aristophanes]

Ari, there's no need to push math tho.

But if we lynch Xtoxm, and that's scum, Math makes a ton of sense

kk I can go Ctoxm then but I want words from him first as requested.

[Aristophanes]

Yee cool we can do this!

I think RC was the obvious kill choice btw, especially if strongman I guess

[Aristophanes]

I jailkept rce night one

Btw I'd totally go for an RCE ISO today with possibility of lynch

Plz do that then and report back

[Aristophanes]

Also, Math got forced into a game with RC because he replaced in, not because the system failed and not because RC is on that many blacklists (I dont know that he is or isnt, but assuming so based on bad data is simply bad.)

i was refering to myself there, not math.

gonna be very v/la for the next ~40hrs
see y'all in couple days
VOTE: unvote

I would say that it is interesting that when Shos was on L-1, Xtoxm unvoted and disappeared again.

This should be NAI.

V/las are not scummy and IRL things should never be used to a tactical advantage as any alignment. As such I do not read into them.

Sure, they sometimes coincide and happen to be adventageous but using them this way purposely is a deliberate breaking of trust in that system and I refuse to believe people would do that.

That xtoxm didn't want to play with RC and was not around because of that, well that is different and I'd like to see what he does now that he can be more comfortable in the game.

[Aristophanes]

since someone asked who was in the hood with tris/saud slot- that was me

Sweet!

What went down in there?

[Aristophanes]

You realize he answered that question like 2 posts (and possibly 20 words) later, ya?

Also, agree w xtomx that massclaim at this point (3 public claimed PRs) prob makes sense. Skit, when you’re around, thoughts on that?

Nope, missed that in the ninjas I guess.

And ya I can agree to massclaim being decent at this point.

[Aristophanes]

Oh shit I'm way behind...

[Aristophanes]

popcorns actually on you ari. claim?

Sorry! I was reading more pages and I like to watch videosin between to break it up some.

I'm a VT, plain and simple.

[Aristophanes]

And explicitly not neighbourized.

[Aristophanes]

Lmao everyone claimed VT XD

Obv the scum are in there somewhere.

Ico, does the "simple" modifier say it only works on vanilla roles or on VT specifically?

[Aristophanes]

So given "normal" normal set-ups, I am very inclined to believe that the three claimed town PRs are in fact town.

I do not believe either of the protective targets can be considered cleared, given the potential conflict even if both are town.

Anyone disagree?

this is roughly where i'm at

Nth

[Aristophanes]

Spoiler: colored VCs

VOTE COUNT

1.1
teacher (2):

the worst

, skitter30
skitter30 (1):

tris

Plum (1): MathBlade

Not voting (9): RCEnigma, Aristophanes,

iconeum

, Plum,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm,

radiantCowbells

, Thilbert, teacher

VOTE COUNT

1.2
Plum (2): MathBlade, skitter30
MathBlade (2):

tris

,

radiantCowbells

teacher (1):

the worst

tris

(1): Aristophanes

Not voting (7): RCEnigma,

iconeum

, Plum,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Thilbert, teacher

VOTE COUNT

1.3

tris

(2): Aristophanes, MathBlade
Plum (2): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

MathBlade (1):

tris

teacher (1):

the worst

Not voting (7): RCEnigma,

iconeum

,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Thilbert, teacher, Plum

VOTE COUNT

1.4
Aristophanes (4): Plum,

radiantCowbells

,

the worst

, MathBlade
Plum (2): skitter30,

iconeum

tris

(1): Aristophanes
MathBlade (1):

tris

Not voting (5): RCEnigma,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Thilbert, teacher

VOTE COUNT

1.5
Aristophanes (2): Plum, MathBlade
skitter30 (2):

Bellaphant

,

the worst

tris

(1): Aristophanes
MathBlade (1):

tris

radiantCowbells

(1): Xtoxm

iconeum

(1): skitter30

Not voting (5): RCEnigma, Thilbert,

iconeum

, teacher,

radiantCowbells

VOTE COUNT

1.6
skitter30 (2):

Bellaphant

,

the worst

Aristophanes (2): Plum, MathBlade

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm, skitter30
MathBlade (2):

tris

,

radiantCowbells

tris

(1): Aristophanes
Xtoxm (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (3): Thilbert,

iconeum

, teacher

VOTE COUNT

1.7
MathBlade (3):

tris

,

Bellaphant

, Flopz
Aristophanes (3): Plum, MathBlade,

the worst

Bellaphant

(2): teacher, skitter30

radiantCowbells

(1): Xtoxm

tris

(1): Aristophanes
Xtoxm (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (2):

iconeum

,

radiantCowbells

VOTE COUNT

1.8
Flopz (5): MathBlade, Plum,

the worst

, RCEnigma,

iconeum

MathBlade (2):

tris

,

Bellaphant

Aristophanes (2): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

Bellaphant

(1): teacher

radiantCowbells

(1): Xtoxm

tris

(1): Aristophanes

Not voting (1): skitter30

VOTE COUNT

1.9
Flopz (3): MathBlade, Plum, RCEnigma
MathBlade (2):

tris

,

Bellaphant

Bellaphant

(2): teacher,

the worst

tris

(2): Aristophanes,

radiantCowbells

Aristophanes (2): Flopz

radiantCowbells

(1): Xtoxm
Xtoxm (1):

iconeum

Not voting (1): skitter30

VOTE COUNT

1.10

tris

(3): Aristophanes, skitter30, Plum
Flopz (2): RCEnigma,

Bellaphant

Xtoxm (2):

iconeum

, teacher

Bellaphant

(2):

the worst

, MathBlade
Aristophanes (2): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

MathBlade (1):

tris

radiantCowbells

(1): Xtoxm

VOTE COUNT

1.11

tris

(3): Aristophanes, skitter30, Plum
Xtoxm (3):

iconeum

, teacher, MathBlade
Flopz (2): RCEnigma,

Bellaphant

Aristophanes (2): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

MathBlade (1):

tris

VOTE COUNT

1.12
Aristophanes (4): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, MathBlade
Xtoxm (2):

iconeum

, teacher

tris

(2): Aristophanes, Plum

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Flopz (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

,

tris

VOTE COUNT

1.13
Aristophanes (4): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, MathBlade
Flopz (3): RCEnigma, Aristophanes,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Xtoxm (1): teacher

tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

,

tris

VOTE COUNT

1.14
Aristophanes (5): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

, MathBlade, teacher,

iconeum

Flopz (2): RCEnigma, Aristophanes

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

tris

(1): Plum
teacher (1): skitter30

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

,

tris

VOTE COUNT

1.15
Aristophanes (4): Flopz, MathBlade, teacher, RCEnigma

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

teacher (2): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

Flopz (1): Aristophanes

tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

,

tris

,

iconeum

VOTE COUNT

1.16
Aristophanes (3): MathBlade, teacher, RCEnigma

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Plum (2): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

Flopz (1): Aristophanes

tris

(1): Plum

the worst

(1):

tris

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

, Flopz

VOTE COUNT

1.17
Aristophanes (4): MathBlade, teacher, Flopz, skitter30

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

the worst

(2):

tris

,

radiantCowbells

Plum (1): RCEnigma
Flopz (1): Aristophanes

tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

VOTE COUNT

1.18
Aristophanes (4): MathBlade, teacher, Flopz, skitter30

radiantCowbells

(3): Xtoxm,

the worst

, Aristophanes

the worst

(2):

tris

,

radiantCowbells

Plum (1): RCEnigma

tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

VOTE COUNT

1.19

the worst

(5):

tris

, skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Plum, MathBlade

radiantCowbells

(3): Xtoxm,

the worst

, Aristophanes
Aristophanes (2): teacher, Flopz
Plum (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

VOTE COUNT

1.20

the worst

(5):

tris

, skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Plum, MathBlade

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Aristophanes (2): teacher, Flopz
Plum (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

, Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

1.21

the worst

(5):

tris

, skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Plum, MathBlade
Aristophanes (2): teacher, Flopz

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Plum (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

, Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

1.22

the worst

(6):

tris

, skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Plum, MathBlade, Flopz
Aristophanes (3): teacher,

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Plum (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (1): Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

1.23 (FINAL)

the worst

(7):

tris

, skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Plum, MathBlade, Flopz, teacher
Aristophanes (2):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Plum (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (1): Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

2.1
Plum (3):

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, Aristophanes
Aristophanes (2):

iconeum

, MathBlade

Not voting (7): RCEnigma,

tris

, Plum,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Flopz, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.2
Aristophanes (3):

iconeum

, MathBlade, Flopz

radiantCowbells

(2): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

Plum (1): Aristophanes

Not voting (6): RCEnigma,

tris

, Plum,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.3
Aristophanes (4):

iconeum

, MathBlade, Flopz, teacher

radiantCowbells

(2): skitter30, RCEnigma
RCEnigma (1):

radiantCowbells

Not voting (5):

tris

, Plum,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

2.4
Aristophanes (4): MathBlade, Flopz, teacher,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(2): skitter30, RCEnigma
RCEnigma (1):

radiantCowbells

Not voting (5):

saudade

, shos,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

2.5
Aristophanes (3): Flopz, teacher,

iconeum

shos (3): skitter30, Aristophanes,

radiantCowbells

radiantCowbells

(1): RCEnigma
skitter30 (1): MathBlade

Not voting (4): shos,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm,

saudade

VOTE COUNT

2.6
skitter30 (4): MathBlade,

iconeum

,

saudade

, Xtoxm
shos (2): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

Aristophanes (2): Flopz, teacher

radiantCowbells

(1): RCEnigma
MathBlade (1): Aristophanes

Not voting (2): shos,

Bellaphant

VOTE COUNT

2.7
shos (3): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Aristophanes

radiantCowbells

(3): RCEnigma,

iconeum

, MathBlade
Aristophanes (2): Flopz, teacher
skitter30 (1): Xtoxm

Not voting (3): shos,

Bellaphant

,

saudade

VOTE COUNT

2.8
shos (5): skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

, RCEnigma, teacher

radiantCowbells

(2): MathBlade,

saudade

Aristophanes (1): Flopz

iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm,

radiantCowbells

VOTE COUNT

2.9
shos (3): skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(3): MathBlade,

saudade

, RCEnigma
Aristophanes (1): Flopz

iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (4):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm,

radiantCowbells

, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.10
shos (3): skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(3): MathBlade,

saudade

, RCEnigma
MathBlade (1):

radiantCowbells

Aristophanes (1): Flopz

iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.11
shos (4): skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

, Flopz

radiantCowbells

(3): MathBlade,

saudade

, RCEnigma

iconeum

(1): shos

saudade

(1):

radiantCowbells

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.12

saudade

(4):

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(3):

saudade

, RCEnigma, MathBlade
shos (1): Flopz

iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.13

saudade

(5):

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

, Flopz

radiantCowbells

(3):

saudade

, RCEnigma, MathBlade
Xtoxm (1): shos

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.14

saudade

(4):

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(2):

saudade

, RCEnigma
RCEnigma (2): Flopz, MathBlade
Xtoxm (1): shos

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.15

saudade

(4):

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, Aristophanes, Flopz
shos (2):

iconeum

, MathBlade

radiantCowbells

(1): RCEnigma
Xtoxm (1): shos
Aristophanes (1):

saudade

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.16 (FINAL)

saudade

(7): skitter30, Aristophanes, Flopz,

iconeum

, teacher,

radiantCowbells

,

saudade

shos (1): MathBlade

radiantCowbells

(1): RCEnigma
Xtoxm (1): shos

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm

Simply for what they are worth, since I use them too. It kinda confirms my desire to be focusing on Ari/Shos today, so dont know what people are up to rn, other than Math who is exploring the dark side of the moon.

Uhm as nice as this is I'd prefer unflipped PRs be maybe blue or something becaus ethey are not conftown/flipped town and should not be coloured as such.

That said, I love VCA and Imma see what I can do!

[Aristophanes]

VC 1.14 and 1.22 (knowing Im green) make me particularly want to hit Ari, as do the D1 Tris associatives. How are you feeling about your meta case?

Why these in particular out of curiosity??

[Aristophanes]

VC 1.14 and 1.22 (knowing Im green) make me particularly want to hit Ari, as do the D1 Tris associatives. How are you feeling about your meta case?

Why these in particular out of curiosity??

The wagon on you is pretty heavily town to me at those points - like nearly universally, or with one potential scum so if you flipped town Id find it helpful.

Gotcha!

I thought it had to do with my own vote placement so that is an interesting take!

I also think the wagons were mostly town on me at those points, but I also know they were merely misguided so *shrugs*

Also this read of not like aligned with Math, does that mean you are confident one of us is scum or??

[Aristophanes]

I'd prefer unflipped PRs be maybe blue

Your wish is my command

Spoiler: different colors

VOTE COUNT

1.1
teacher (2):

the worst

, skitter30
skitter30 (1):

tris

Plum (1): MathBlade

Not voting (9): RCEnigma, Aristophanes,

iconeum

, Plum,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm,

radiantCowbells

, Thilbert, teacher

VOTE COUNT

1.2
Plum (2): MathBlade, skitter30
MathBlade (2):

tris

,

radiantCowbells

teacher (1):

the worst

tris

(1): Aristophanes

Not voting (7): RCEnigma,

iconeum

, Plum,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Thilbert, teacher

VOTE COUNT

1.3

tris

(2): Aristophanes, MathBlade
Plum (2): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

MathBlade (1):

tris

teacher (1):

the worst

Not voting (7): RCEnigma,

iconeum

,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Thilbert, teacher, Plum

VOTE COUNT

1.4
Aristophanes (4): Plum,

radiantCowbells

,

the worst

, MathBlade
Plum (2): skitter30,

iconeum

tris

(1): Aristophanes
MathBlade (1):

tris

Not voting (5): RCEnigma,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Thilbert, teacher

VOTE COUNT

1.5
Aristophanes (2): Plum, MathBlade
skitter30 (2):

Bellaphant

,

the worst

tris

(1): Aristophanes
MathBlade (1):

tris

radiantCowbells

(1): Xtoxm

iconeum

(1): skitter30

Not voting (5): RCEnigma, Thilbert,

iconeum

, teacher,

radiantCowbells

VOTE COUNT

1.6
skitter30 (2):

Bellaphant

,

the worst

Aristophanes (2): Plum, MathBlade

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm, skitter30
MathBlade (2):

tris

,

radiantCowbells

tris

(1): Aristophanes
Xtoxm (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (3): Thilbert,

iconeum

, teacher

VOTE COUNT

1.7
MathBlade (3):

tris

,

Bellaphant

, Flopz
Aristophanes (3): Plum, MathBlade,

the worst

Bellaphant

(2): teacher, skitter30

radiantCowbells

(1): Xtoxm

tris

(1): Aristophanes
Xtoxm (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (2):

iconeum

,

radiantCowbells

VOTE COUNT

1.8
Flopz (5): MathBlade, Plum,

the worst

, RCEnigma,

iconeum

MathBlade (2):

tris

,

Bellaphant

Aristophanes (2): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

Bellaphant

(1): teacher

radiantCowbells

(1): Xtoxm

tris

(1): Aristophanes

Not voting (1): skitter30

VOTE COUNT

1.9
Flopz (3): MathBlade, Plum, RCEnigma
MathBlade (2):

tris

,

Bellaphant

Bellaphant

(2): teacher,

the worst

tris

(2): Aristophanes,

radiantCowbells

Aristophanes (2): Flopz

radiantCowbells

(1): Xtoxm
Xtoxm (1):

iconeum

Not voting (1): skitter30

VOTE COUNT

1.10

tris

(3): Aristophanes, skitter30, Plum
Flopz (2): RCEnigma,

Bellaphant

Xtoxm (2):

iconeum

, teacher

Bellaphant

(2):

the worst

, MathBlade
Aristophanes (2): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

MathBlade (1):

tris

radiantCowbells

(1): Xtoxm

VOTE COUNT

1.11

tris

(3): Aristophanes, skitter30, Plum
Xtoxm (3):

iconeum

, teacher, MathBlade
Flopz (2): RCEnigma,

Bellaphant

Aristophanes (2): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

MathBlade (1):

tris

VOTE COUNT

1.12
Aristophanes (4): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, MathBlade
Xtoxm (2):

iconeum

, teacher

tris

(2): Aristophanes, Plum

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Flopz (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

,

tris

VOTE COUNT

1.13
Aristophanes (4): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, MathBlade
Flopz (3): RCEnigma, Aristophanes,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Xtoxm (1): teacher

tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

,

tris

VOTE COUNT

1.14
Aristophanes (5): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

, MathBlade, teacher,

iconeum

Flopz (2): RCEnigma, Aristophanes

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

tris

(1): Plum
teacher (1): skitter30

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

,

tris

VOTE COUNT

1.15
Aristophanes (4): Flopz, MathBlade, teacher, RCEnigma

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

teacher (2): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

Flopz (1): Aristophanes

tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

,

tris

,

iconeum

VOTE COUNT

1.16
Aristophanes (3): MathBlade, teacher, RCEnigma

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Plum (2): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

Flopz (1): Aristophanes

tris

(1): Plum

the worst

(1):

tris

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

, Flopz

VOTE COUNT

1.17
Aristophanes (4): MathBlade, teacher, Flopz, skitter30

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

the worst

(2):

tris

,

radiantCowbells

Plum (1): RCEnigma
Flopz (1): Aristophanes

tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

VOTE COUNT

1.18
Aristophanes (4): MathBlade, teacher, Flopz, skitter30

radiantCowbells

(3): Xtoxm,

the worst

, Aristophanes

the worst

(2):

tris

,

radiantCowbells

Plum (1): RCEnigma

tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

VOTE COUNT

1.19

the worst

(5):

tris

, skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Plum, MathBlade

radiantCowbells

(3): Xtoxm,

the worst

, Aristophanes
Aristophanes (2): teacher, Flopz
Plum (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

VOTE COUNT

1.20

the worst

(5):

tris

, skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Plum, MathBlade

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Aristophanes (2): teacher, Flopz
Plum (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

, Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

1.21

the worst

(5):

tris

, skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Plum, MathBlade
Aristophanes (2): teacher, Flopz

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Plum (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

, Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

1.22

the worst

(6):

tris

, skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Plum, MathBlade, Flopz
Aristophanes (3): teacher,

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Plum (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (1): Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

1.23 (FINAL)

the worst

(7):

tris

, skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Plum, MathBlade, Flopz, teacher
Aristophanes (2):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Plum (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (1): Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

2.1
Plum (3):

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, Aristophanes
Aristophanes (2):

iconeum

, MathBlade

Not voting (7): RCEnigma,

tris

, Plum,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Flopz, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.2
Aristophanes (3):

iconeum

, MathBlade, Flopz

radiantCowbells

(2): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

Plum (1): Aristophanes

Not voting (6): RCEnigma,

tris

, Plum,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.3
Aristophanes (4):

iconeum

, MathBlade, Flopz, teacher

radiantCowbells

(2): skitter30, RCEnigma
RCEnigma (1):

radiantCowbells

Not voting (5):

tris

, Plum,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

2.4
Aristophanes (4): MathBlade, Flopz, teacher,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(2): skitter30, RCEnigma
RCEnigma (1):

radiantCowbells

Not voting (5):

saudade

, shos,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

2.5
Aristophanes (3): Flopz, teacher,

iconeum

shos (3): skitter30, Aristophanes,

radiantCowbells

radiantCowbells

(1): RCEnigma
skitter30 (1): MathBlade

Not voting (4): shos,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm,

saudade

VOTE COUNT

2.6
skitter30 (4): MathBlade,

iconeum

,

saudade

, Xtoxm
shos (2): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

Aristophanes (2): Flopz, teacher

radiantCowbells

(1): RCEnigma
MathBlade (1): Aristophanes

Not voting (2): shos,

Bellaphant

VOTE COUNT

2.7
shos (3): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Aristophanes

radiantCowbells

(3): RCEnigma,

iconeum

, MathBlade
Aristophanes (2): Flopz, teacher
skitter30 (1): Xtoxm

Not voting (3): shos,

Bellaphant

,

saudade

VOTE COUNT

2.8
shos (5): skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

, RCEnigma, teacher

radiantCowbells

(2): MathBlade,

saudade

Aristophanes (1): Flopz

iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm,

radiantCowbells

VOTE COUNT

2.9
shos (3): skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(3): MathBlade,

saudade

, RCEnigma
Aristophanes (1): Flopz

iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (4):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm,

radiantCowbells

, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.10
shos (3): skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(3): MathBlade,

saudade

, RCEnigma
MathBlade (1):

radiantCowbells

Aristophanes (1): Flopz

iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.11
shos (4): skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

, Flopz

radiantCowbells

(3): MathBlade,

saudade

, RCEnigma

iconeum

(1): shos

saudade

(1):

radiantCowbells

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.12

saudade

(4):

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(3):

saudade

, RCEnigma, MathBlade
shos (1): Flopz

iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.13

saudade

(5):

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

, Flopz

radiantCowbells

(3):

saudade

, RCEnigma, MathBlade
Xtoxm (1): shos

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.14

saudade

(4):

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(2):

saudade

, RCEnigma
RCEnigma (2): Flopz, MathBlade
Xtoxm (1): shos

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.15

saudade

(4):

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, Aristophanes, Flopz
shos (2):

iconeum

, MathBlade

radiantCowbells

(1): RCEnigma
Xtoxm (1): shos
Aristophanes (1):

saudade

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.16 (FINAL)

saudade

(7): skitter30, Aristophanes, Flopz,

iconeum

, teacher,

radiantCowbells

,

saudade

shos (1): MathBlade

radiantCowbells

(1): RCEnigma
Xtoxm (1): shos

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm

Amazing! Thank you <3

Looking at this Math and Tris actually have interesting votes a lot of D11 and a possible distancing going on there.
As well, based on trends in voting patterns and whatnot, Plum or Math are the likely 2nd (and possibly 3rd) scum on The Worst's lynch.

D2 the same slots remain a strong scum possibility as a pairing which is interesting to say the least!
I don't want a Math mynch today but I previously said shos > Xtoxm today and I stand by that.
Also, I saw an RCE wagon I think but I didn't bother to read from pg 273 so that's slated for later maybe.

By votes Xtoxm is almost 100% null
RCE I would way is a positive scum possibility with Math but not Plum/shos in the VCA though that could change.

[Aristophanes]

Ari, what do you think of the neighbor claim (I think you asked the question of what went on, but dont recall a reaction from you). Im still inclined to view it as town indicative from xtom, and agree shos>xtomx

I mean, I believe the claim well enough. In that if xtoxm is scum the neighbourizer was not used and he is covering, but if the neighbourizer was used I guess it's towny in that scum don't neighbourize other scum. No reason other than that tho.

[Aristophanes]

I'm 20 pages behind and have no will to read them today. Like I've come to the thread 4 times and just can't for whatever reason.

Anything pressing that needs addressing? (Ooo I like how that flows!)

Or can I read up over the weekend where everyone is undoubtedly V/LA

[Aristophanes]

Guys iz Ico here

I love allll ov you

<3 <3 <3

[Aristophanes]

I'm still really not in the mood for any of this.

Also I don't think there's a traitor but what do I know.

Also also I still think shos > xtoxm but I haven't read much of xtoxm's posts this phase so that is subjrct to change I guess.

If RCE is still on the table that is probably best slated for another phase imo.


Okay bye.

[Aristophanes]

I'm still really not in the mood for any of this.

Also I don't think there's a traitor but what do I know.

Also also I still think shos > xtoxm but I haven't read much of xtoxm's posts this phase so that is subjrct to change I guess.

If RCE is still on the table that is probably best slated for another phase imo.


Okay bye.

Uhm why is RCE better for tomorrow?

It’s clear you’re not in the mood but this needs a lot more explanation.

You know what, hold on my answer to that. I just remembered I never did this yet:

Uggh do I need to read the last 10 pages where RC grills RCE and shows they're not understanding the game (from what I skimmed) and convinced Math and Saudade to vote RCE because, and I'm assuming here, he's feeling ingenuous and wrong in what he is saying and RC seems right to them for once?

Or did I mostly nail it.

No rush to read it

I really just did that whole thing for in case I die tonight.

How can I actually give a proper response when I skipped this entirely?

I'll do it as part of my read-up when I do finally get to this though.

[Aristophanes]

Alright, I'm starting at 10 pages before which is pg 242 for the record. Let's do this!

Honestly

I think RCE Shos Saudade solves the game more cleanly than anything else

I mean, I like this solve and want shos today but ya know, might have to settle I guess.

Is Nancy Drew following the game? Can I have her thoughts?

I don;t think this was the spot but RC asked for thoughts on Skitter from Nancy before he died and while she had a hard time explaining it, felt a genuine tone from skitter and as if there was a lack of confbias in their reads which is town indicative. I know RC is dead but I wanted to loop around to this answer in his honour.

There's no point in lynching RC today, Math. I'd want to. But there's no point.

Either he's town PR, and he dies tonight. Or he's scum, and we lynch him tomorrow.

Do you think it's better to get rid of him today?

So I'm probably not catching up fully tonight. Walking 3 miles to and from work is exhausting me.

But I do want to nip this in the bud.

This is what sets the foundation for a future narrative. Which is a world where RC doesn't die until end game because "scum are leaving him as a mislynch.".

RC never eats a nightkill this game because even as a claimed investigative his result is not credible. So it's on town to deal with. He is no longer self resolving.

I'm pushing there. I'll case it or whatever when I get the chance. Also burn openwolf Ari.

This is when we were going after Plum btw. Fine with both wagons, also pushing Me/Ari as SvS when I really don't think it made sense as a real viewpoint but it made a lot more sense from the point of view as scum who wants to have as much weight behind both potential mislynches they're pushing at the same time.

Oof! The cringe value of these two RCE posts are incredible! Especially with retrospect!

Why is RC still alive? -RCE/Jingle 2020

Because I suck at the wordy words
And I am exhausted.

And I feel so betrayed by RL I don’t have the time to devote to this.

*vote RCE for President*

Especially since everyone was townreading RCE but now all of a sudden not from RCE.

Still going to enjoy the weekend.

I may hammer if Saude gets to L-1 just to end the day but it’s a silly wagon and Saude is town.

Hey man, I never followed up but I hope everything IRL is calming down for you! I hate the thought of you feeling betrayed irl and I really hope the best for you <3
If you ever need, HMU

FL says this saudade wagon is dumb. The counterwagon is obvious. Also saudade specifically he says go ham.

Town on saudade.

Oh then the basically FL scumreads Icos iso, which I agreed with up until his plum push. But I'm not great at reading Ico. I think I've misread him every game we've played together as both alignments. So I was still considering it.

He also scumreads him on the basis that RC would be obscuring associates and RC/Skitter felt too blatant. Ergo the associatives would be simpler and less direct.

But I'll also go back and double check because that was a start of day read and I feel I'm misrepping it.

HOLD IT THERE

You're saying that Flavor Leaf, before Iconeum outed as having saved Mathblade, said that Iconeum made sense as scum with me?
But now, following Iconeum claiming protective on Mathblade (which should upend any read), Flavor Leaf has not given an updated read yet you're still giving it as if it's relevant?

That seems like something a town-aligned player would really really really not do!

He still reads Ico as your partner. Read the posts man, this is like 3 posts in a row where you are twisting posts to mean something else.

He still reads Ico as your partner. Read the posts man, this is like 3 posts in a row where you are twisting posts to mean something else.

You said this was a start of day read and you need to go back to read it. You also only cited things that happened during the first day regarding his read on us.

He also scumreads him on the basis that RC would be obscuring associates and RC/Skitter felt too blatant. Ergo the associatives would be simpler and less direct.

But I'll also go back and double check because that was a start of day read and I feel I'm misrepping it.

Referring to RC/Skitter<-> you said this was a start of day read for sure.

Oh then the basically FL scumreads Icos iso, which I agreed with up until his plum push. But I'm not great at reading Ico. I think I've misread him every game we've played together as both alignments. So I was still considering it.

This all happened D1.

So you said your read was a D1 read, you cited stuff happening D1, the only stuff you mentioned from D2 you explicitly said was a start of day read, and you make no commentary on anything that has happened since besides to follow up by saying that "oh FL still scumreads him". There's no way if this was a still scumreads him situation that your arguments wouldn't center around Ico's protective claim and my interactions with him and the surrounding claim because that's what is most relevant and important, not some random bullshit D1 or start of day.

A modern RC-Ico read would absolutely center around the protective claim and some sort of argument regarding my willingness to fake claim stuff or have my buddies fakeclaim stuff.
It's not an impossible read to have and actually there's a lot that could, hypothetically, be said about that read but the arguments given are really vague and meaningless and all ignore the most relevant data point

That was FLs read. I don't think it's likely but I also don't think he knows about Ico's doc claim.

so, again, it was a much earlier read that you have presented to mathblade as still relevant despite a major data point that should affect the read, as I pointed out

He saw there's a wagon on saudade, so I assume he's read some of the recent pages. I asked if he knows about the protective claim because he still scumreads ico. So idk what all he's read.

If you're adding FLs reads as a reason to scumread me then... Cool. But I don't care.

This kind of feels like a slam dunk tbh.
Like I skimmed it before because it was bolded by RC (Thanks Bae <3) and it felt off then. RCE just felt off in response and like he was floundering for an answer here. He is definitely not cool feing called out and I think there's good reason for that!

Even this discrediting now is oozing with scum.

Like, no.

YOU DONE MESSED UP A A RON

NOW TAKE YO ASS DOWN TO O SHAG HENNESSY'S OFFICE

take

yo ass

down

to

o

shag

henessy's

office

before i bust a club

up in yo butt

Lmfao I <3 u RC XD
Despite what I said about you posting too much, you were definitely the majority of my enjoyment of this game and I want you to know that <3

RC are you going to push RCE right now and blow up your Saude wagon?

If not what is your purpose behind this push here?

winning the game on d2 as opposed to relying on other players correctly sorting the game after d2.
if I was scum pushing a mislynch why would I care about trying to set up future mislynches when I know I'm going down after saudade anyway
if I'm town pushing a scum lynch and I want other townies to know who else is scum in the future, I absolutely care about calling out who the rest of the scum are

does that make sense to you

Truly the hero we needed!

VOTE: RCE

Looks like thatabout sums up the RC/RCE thing and I am totally in on RCE now.
Thanks for your sacrifice my friend! I should sheep you more often

[Aristophanes]

I'll catch up on the rest later

[Aristophanes]

I found looking back through Tris iso more to connect them to Ari than to Math. But I did also come across Maths townblock of plum/Tris and plum has been a rigid townread for math from day 1 this game. Which only really indicates alignment if math is scum. So in both math/Ari math/shos there can be 1 but it works more like.

Ari red -> math town, shos +equity
Ari green -> math/Shos unresolved

Math green -> Ari +equity, shos unresolved
Math red -> Ari green, Shos +town eq

Shos green -> Ari unresolved, math +equity
Shos red -> Ari unresolved, Math +town equity unironically?

I don't find math hard defending shos all game as partner indicative in the sense it's overtly obvious.

[Aristophanes]

Oh, looks like that was hammer...

Oh well, I suppose it's better this way!

Hope this flips red, I'll read up over the night maybe.

Ninja'd
Meh, I feel pretty good about this. What question isn't being answered now?

[Aristophanes]

also what happened to ari?
i feel like he's fallen off the face of the planet this dayphase

I've worked the last 8 days straight and got stood up on a date dealing a blow to my self esteem that took like 4 days to recover from tbh. And my buddy RC is dead so I mean, I was kinda bummed out by that.

Sorry.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: math

Ari you need to explain that hammer. did u not look at a vc before making a substantive post for like the first time all dayphase?

I actually didn't because I am, unsurprisingly, a dumbass.

It was very remiss of be, but I will admislt that I was lind of okay with it. Looked like it should have been a red flip but it wasn't.

I am starting to think shos/math is the final pairing but I don't know what to say about it yet.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: math

Ari you need to explain that hammer. did u not look at a vc before making a substantive post for like the first time all dayphase?

I actually didn't because I am, unsurprisingly, a dumbass.

It was very remiss of be, but I will admit that I was kind of okay with it. Looked like it should have been a red flip but it wasn't.

I am starting to think shos/math is the final pairing but I don't know what to say about it yet.

Yeah this is not a good look for you, to be putting it mildly

No I absolutely agree, but I figured I'd be honest here.

[Aristophanes]

Scum will most likelly kill the doc regardless of what happens in the day and eventually we are even, a nolynch will happen. So it's a question of when, and the sooner it happens the more info we have when we do Lynch. That doc claim is definitely not conftown, considering that RCE flipped town and so did bella. The only thing I can think of that makes one think he is conftown is an agenda of confirmation on a partner. He is by no means conftown.

Also if you expect me to remember shit in this game, sorry lads. So can anyone summarize the setup, including flips+claims?

Flips are on the OP, claims are literally just Ico.

[Aristophanes]

As in everyone else claims VT

[Aristophanes]

Inb4 I get a prod.
Be here tomorrow

[Aristophanes]

@Shos -- why arent you voting rn?

Same @Ari

I am on, and will be rejoining, in about 1.5 hrs. Grades were due today -- my kiddos again did number 1 in our network of schools, so yay!

oh sweet, 'grats

p sure shos is going to tell you he wants a nolynch

ari seems to have disappeared again

Not voting because it is going to be on shos but I feel like I need to case him better than I have.

I disappeared because I hame been busy and also don't care atm for whatever reason. Sorry about that. Just demotivated again/still.

Also, I saw a post like last week where it was thought that I hammered to stop math and teacher vibing. For the record, I didn't check the votes before I voted and I didn't see any ninja posts so any and all repercussions were unintentional. I apologize again for cutting that phase and conversation short.

[Aristophanes]

aaaaaarrrrrriiiii

Hello yes how can I help?

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes Jan 03, 05:50am Feb 11, 06:53am 1 day 17 hours 501
...

Yes uggh I know. I hate myself this phase. I'm sorry.

Also tho you're scum so #sorrynotsorry?

[Aristophanes]

Sure thing!

Do u wanna like place a vote or push scum or something ... ?

First off,
VOTE: shos

I should have done that a while ago bit didn't want to L1 it at that point.

I don't remember if I've actively made a case there but I thknk I've been pretty clear on it.

I asked my team to look at him too and give me thoughts, and Airo picked out some good stuff, some I've def said before and aome that is good insight.
5912 is damning as a readslist if the scumteam is Saudade, shos, Flopz. Leaving them both essentially blank is a big move tho and I'm not totally sold on the trio from this alone. But shos/Saudade is damning from it imo.

Shos said a NL was best and feasible when Saud was at L-1.

Shos kept vanity votes through the Saud wagon.

It just kind of makes too much sense to ignore.

Or say what ur solve is or who you're not willing to vote or like do anything at all ... ?

Saud/shos/flopz or xtoxm seems realistically the only options and I haven't read much of xtoxm but also was reminded of the neighborhood claim. If not xtoxm I can only see Math as the last scum and while I can't shake that I can't pursue it realistically for now.

The rest of you are townreads and pretty locked into that.

[Aristophanes]

i'll put it differently

i'm considering this day from now on as an effective Glatiator situation between shos and Ari

votes should only be placed on these 2

Ya I kinda figured we were 1v1ing today. Any other options/votes were just avoiding the inevitable

[Aristophanes]

Ari if ur town what am i missing here?

My hammer was bad but otherwise this is literally my towngame and I started with stronger townreads which I defended and PoE'd scum from it, looking there specifically to confirm the scumreads rather than arguing towncases on townies.

I've said almost everything I can because this game, despite the length and plethora of new posts, just circles back to the same base arguments over and over.

I have my PoE pool, it's unlikely to change unless a townflip on shos occurs and I highly doubt that.

Soneone asked where the counterwagon on shos was today, and the answer is that it was being built and pushed, but not voted. It was me all along.

Uh, Iunno what else to say on that.

And shos, NL is a good plan but not at this moment. It is for when mylo hits or is nigh. Not when we are up in town numbers! Give your head a shake!

[Aristophanes]

And shos, NL is a good plan but not at this moment. It is for when mylo hits or is nigh. Not when we are up in town numbers! Give your head a shake!

LOL
how can you be any more 'nigh' than now you're one mislynch away from mylo

We are 2 mislynches away from mylo are we not?

[Aristophanes]

Also I am so weirded out by shos not voting me atm

[Aristophanes]

math i don't wanna lynch shos right now

he just really feels town? the way he responds to stuff is just… natural?

You're wrong but *shrugs*

[Aristophanes]

Shoulda stuck with my gut.

Dammit!

[Aristophanes]

Neeeeeeeerd!




(Show me the math tho, I am curious)

[Aristophanes]

Why was I lynched again?

I came to the thread and was about to type up a big thing and put in some work and it was locked. Oh well.

[Aristophanes]

Skitter wouldn't have been lynched anyway. Xtoxm living was straight madness XD