@treestump so who did you recruit?
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In post 8, Korina wrote:Also, I'm going to truthfully answer one question per person. I will not say when I truthfully answer, butI promise that it'll be truthful. If you wish to ask me more questions and get a truthful answer beyond the one I have granted you, or you wish to know which question was truthfully answered, you must preform a ritual at 3:59 AM, on the third Friday of any month. The exact details of the ritual are a bit convoluted, and would take too long to post in here, but there's a video walkthrough of it, located here.
This is not truthful as i have no clue at this time as to who was recruitedIn post 16, Korina wrote:You should know whoIn post 12, Farkran wrote:Firstnon treestump checking in
@treestump so who did you recruit?
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Ok then, if korina answered me truthfully then this also must be the truth, otherwise i could have no idea about who was recruited
You should have known better and recruit me n0 if you wanted me in. You made the choice, i think alyssa makes sense as a n0 target.In post 49, Korina wrote:Will all the perks of joining my cult change your mind?In post 47, Farkran wrote:To be more clear i am not RVSing, i think the joke is not actually a joke.
The same thing happened in the previous cult game where blatant scum claimed CL d1
I want alyssa lynched
Why? As a CL your true enemy are your own guesses, and anarchist's guesses. Why wouldn't you recruit a player with a solid reputation in order to avoid him being the anarchist?In post 63, Slaxx wrote:I would have randomized it if I were the leaderIn post 60, Farkran wrote:You should have known better and recruit me n0 if you wanted me in. You made the choice, i think alyssa makes sense as a n0 target.In post 49, Korina wrote:Will all the perks of joining my cult change your mind?In post 47, Farkran wrote:To be more clear i am not RVSing, i think the joke is not actually a joke.
The same thing happened in the previous cult game where blatant scum claimed CL d1
I want alyssa lynched
Can't outguess dice
2 non-cult lynches are immediately a town loss unless the anarchist gets recruited exactly n3In post 97, Auro wrote:Then what's the point of posting, even?In post 91, Korina wrote:Plus, that's the most optimal strategy for me.
Optimal doesn't always equal fun, unfortunately.
Like might as well just all auto-lynch today at least and tomorrow we'll haveonecult-cult association which would be difficult to fish out anyway
D3 without cult lynches would have 4:3 worst case though, should be fun, but lynching cult then is still a loss right?
So town just has three lynches, has to lynch more cult than town, so we necessarily need 2 cult lynches? wait
Oh hi suji! Glad to hear you would like to play with me, it goes the same for me!In post 109, Sujimichi wrote:Hey everyone! I am not familiar with this type of game, but I though joining Farkran and Chemist1422 would be fun. I am glad Auro and Klick joined as well.
There is effectively 1 scum today, and alignment changes down the road. Do you think a standard strategy is optimal?In post 146, Sujimichi wrote:I would do the same thing I would do any game and try to establish Town reads. Arguably that will be more difficult in this type of game since the only association between two players at this current time is with a player who, in my opinion, it is best to try and ignore.In post 133, Farkran wrote:Suji what would you do as town in this game?
I am ok with itIn post 154, Klick wrote:I would accept Klick/Drixx/Auro/Farkran for the time being
Thoughts from Auro and Farkran?
Not entirely trueIn post 161, Auro wrote:The only constant in whatever strategy is to be charismatic enough not to be the lynch everIn post 159, Farkran wrote:Do you think a standard strategy is optimal?
Why Homura cult?In post 202, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:I still think cult hasn't posted yet
In post 242, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:what do you think was korina's strategy?In post 241, Farkran wrote:I don't think korina is randing, he has everything to lose by randing. If we don't want to enter the realm of korinaspec though i still think that Alyssa joke was more AI than it was supposed to be.
I meta-townread sujimichi too for now
To elaborate, i'd rather have someone with good reads by my side rather than against me, when the drawback is just having to wifom my way against his d1 lynch. After having achieved that, i don't even care.In post 80, Farkran wrote:Why? As a CL your true enemy are your own guesses, and anarchist's guesses. Why wouldn't you recruit a player with a solid reputation in order to avoid him being the anarchist?
I mean, from Korina i would expect he would open random.org, puts players into a list... and doesn't push the randomize button.In post 18, Korina wrote:Hey, I just pulled up random.org, and put everyone's name into a list. You happened to be at the top of the list.
I am fairly sure korina knows (because of a game that we played together) that i enjoy playing scum more than town, but i haven't been recruited n0. Rest of the post i agree with.In post 253, Conspire wrote:So, I don't think Korina's gonna be looking to recruit someone who doesn't enjoy scum; especially on night 0. I know of a few players in this list that have said they don't enjoy scum as much as town before, but the question is whether Korina is also aware of those preferences.
I think he's incentiviced to pick overall strong players that we are likely to keep around for at least a day or two even if we scumread them, since their reads would be useful if town.
-Cosmic
In post 110, Klick wrote:VOTE: Farkran
Has like +++ cultist equity which is as much as we can hope for D1 in this setup.
In post 115, Klick wrote:I would like to form something similar to a townbloc with Chemist, Slaxx and Auro
Pls /confirm your participation publically
PEdit: the initial gambit of 'lol I'm cultist' is more likely to happen if you are actually recruited N1 than if you aren't.
@RCE i think you're referring to this klick passage
Might be a good time to update your reads then!In post 265, RCEnigma wrote:Then it's not so scummy and I'm a bad reader too.
I only played with blatant scum twice, town!bs did not introduce himself as scum, although he was a repin in a newbie game at the time.In post 277, Conspire wrote:Yeah, so Farkran isn't as scummy as I originally thought; Esper has similar thoughts to him regarding Alyssa's posts. She agrees that the Alyssa entrance feels unnatural.
Farkran, I'd still like to hear why you compared it to Blatant Scum claiming cult as cult in a previous game though. Were you aware he did that in every game?
-Cosmic
So... who do we lynch today if not you?In post 280, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:I have plenty of readsIn post 271, Farkran wrote:Alyssa do you have any reads so far?
Oh i didn't notice the new pageIn post 301, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:I can reveal my thoughts later, I feel nobody caught it
But more important than this, do you think creating a townbloc comes from a cult mindset or not?In post 316, Sujimichi wrote:Given that this game should not be played as a normal game, it would make sense to approach it from a stance of probability. Just as it is improbable to correctly identify the Cultist on Day 1, a "townbloc" on Day 1 would probably mostly include Town members. This seems like an okay thing to create; however, starting with Day 2 it would be almost useless.In post 312, Auro wrote:Suji, what do you think about Klick trying to form a townbloc at this stage of the game?
Sorry, i'm not sure if i follow youIn post 320, Sujimichi wrote:It both reduces the potential pool of candidates to lynch (which is a minor negative for the Cultist) and decreases the likelihood of the Cultist being lynched (which is strong positive for the Cultist). I would lean toward a net positive for the Cultist (especially in the case he or she is able to continue it past Day 1, but that seems less likely), so it very well could come from a Cultist mindset.In post 319, Farkran wrote:But more important than this, do you think creating a townbloc comes from a cult mindset or not?In post 316, Sujimichi wrote:Given that this game should not be played as a normal game, it would make sense to approach it from a stance of probability. Just as it is improbable to correctly identify the Cultist on Day 1, a "townbloc" on Day 1 would probably mostly include Town members. This seems like an okay thing to create; however, starting with Day 2 it would be almost useless.In post 312, Auro wrote:Suji, what do you think about Klick trying to form a townbloc at this stage of the game?
This is only true if the cultist manages to get in though.In post 322, Sujimichi wrote:I am assuming the Cultist would place themselves within the "townbloc" and that the "townbloc" would not lynch within themselves. This would remove, or significantly decrease the likelihood of, the Cultist from being a potential lynch on Day 1.
I am currently failing to identify a better candidate, although i want to hear her again first, there's something that could make me change my mind. If i am wrong on her, suji might be my next guess.
If you read the bolded, why are you confused?In post 335, Sujimichi wrote:I am confused. Based on your post 319, I thought your question was referring to the "townbloc" that Klick created and you quoted my response to Auro. In this instance, this would mean that the Cultist wasIn post 328, Farkran wrote:This is only true if the cultist manages to get in though.In post 322, Sujimichi wrote:I am assuming the Cultist would place themselves within the "townbloc" and that the "townbloc" would not lynch within themselves. This would remove, or significantly decrease the likelihood of, the Cultist from being a potential lynch on Day 1.
Based on what you just told me, would you agree that the townbloc itself is cleanexcept for klick, the slot that tried to form it?
Not trying to place words in your mouth, i want to understand your thought process and see if it can lead to any relevant conclusion or it's just a "sure, everyone could be scum" waving strategy.the player who attempted to create the "townbloc" so, yes, I would assume that the Cultist managed to "get in."
Now we are on the same page with my question, although this goes in slight contrast with your introduction in this game.In post 339, Sujimichi wrote:Apologies, I do not think I understood your intended question. I do think Klick has a stronger potential to be the Cultist than everyone else in the "townbloc."
Sujimichi has a relevant reputation among the new players - if you look him up, you will notice a nomination in the scummies 2020 for his scumplay. I would think he's the perfect player sorting by skill/reputation ratio, fitting a middle-of-the-road recruit of a good player that wouldn't stand out much despite never being actually lynched. He is very good at being townread as both alignments, but is not well known. In this game, i meta-townread him but it's not anything i would bet my life on - if i am wrong on my main guess, he's a good fallback option.In post 495, RCEnigma wrote:Farkran I really like you for town right now but I want the block to be like, you, Alyssa, suji, auro.
Talk me through your suji!cultist read.
Also if you take Alyssa's RVs post out and put it in a vacuum does your read there change at all?
I played several times with suji and i read his scumgame (the game that made him a nomination). This suji looks more like the town!suji i know than the scum!suji in that other game. His attitude is more like... asking himself questions rather than giving other people answers, if you know what i mean?In post 499, RCEnigma wrote:I always assume players I'm unfamiliar with have strong town/scum games. I'm interested in the meta-townread if you want to expand on that.
Weird PoE though, before the last pages i would have expected you to include Homura in that pool, based on the reasoning of quickly pushing easy stuff. Which i don't find particularly scummy, unless it's made in an opportunistic fashion. I was the first vote on alyssa, Homura was 3rd, i think? That would be enough to give me some pause and think - ultimately i'd place homura fairly high in my lynch priority list but that's also because of my own PoE rather than Homura individual scumminess.In post 520, Conspire wrote:I'm also not that familiar with the playlist; out of the ones I know though, I probably TR Slaxx a bit
Current thoughts: based on fun-value, I still think Korina's gonna chose someone he likes working with/is a strong player and in my mind, that's gotta be Alyssa/Farkran. Kind of changed my mind and I can see it going either way now. Either Alyssa's joke was scum indicative, or scum!Farkran made an easy push on the first thing he saw.
VOTE: Alyssa the Lamb
~Esper
Alyssa did you ever answer this? If you did, i didn't find it in your iso.In post 507, Farkran wrote:Ok, if i can buy that i'm probably wrong on suji, i actually agree on everything that Alyssa said in the last 5-6 posts.
Why RCE is not green in your list, Alyssa? Him and Suji might be the our "biggest" clashes so far
UNVOTE:
Lynchpool is still there, i'll likely remove suji thoughIn post 583, Farkran wrote:Concluding, i think my lynchpool for today is limited to {Alyssa, Suji, Conspire} + Homura if the lurker reasoning doesn't apply.
Still waiting for this, i'd like some hard stancesIn post 529, Conspire wrote:I've massively overgamed myself as always. I'll catchup and give thoughts tomorrow.In post 517, Farkran wrote:VOTE: Conspire i'm fine trying this. There's too little content coming from a hydra.
-Cosmic
In post 253, Conspire wrote:So, I don't think Korina's gonna be looking to recruit someone who doesn't enjoy scum; especially on night 0. I know of a few players in this list that have said they don't enjoy scum as much as town before, but the question is whether Korina is also aware of those preferences.
I think he's incentiviced to pick overall strong players that we are likely to keep around for at least a day or two even if we scumread them, since their reads would be useful if town.
-Cosmic
In post 274, Conspire wrote:I do agree Korina's choices are probably not random though. Korina needs someone who will stick around and random!culting could affect that. Insisting on random culting sends us on a wild goose chase.
~Esper
Which i agree with, but the conclusion is this:
Feels like the easy side of the push, trying to consolidate the counterwagonIn post 520, Conspire wrote:I'm also not that familiar with the playlist; out of the ones I know though, I probably TR Slaxx a bit
Current thoughts: based on fun-value, I still think Korina's gonna chose someone he likes working with/is a strong player and in my mind, that's gotta be Alyssa/Farkran. Kind of changed my mind and I can see it going either way now. Either Alyssa's joke was scum indicative, or scum!Farkran made an easy push on the first thing he saw.
VOTE: Alyssa the Lamb
~Esper
No, Alyssa has always been the longest wagon when the others formed. She has been the easy push for the whole game so far, doesn't mean it isn't correct. My point is that several people tried probing the ground elsewhere while conspire did not.In post 627, Auro wrote:You don't feel like Homura/Conspire are easy pushes?
In post 26, Farkran wrote:Ok then, if korina answered me truthfully then this also must be the truth, otherwise i could have no idea about who was recruited
VOTE: Alyssa
In post 87, Slaxx wrote:VOTE: Farkran
Dude is making a big-brained play and was actually recruited N1
Calling it
In post 110, Klick wrote:VOTE: Farkran
Has like +++ cultist equity which is as much as we can hope for D1 in this setup.
In post 134, Auro wrote:VOTE: Alyssa The Lamb
Sorry for hammering so early, were you cult
doublevote -ndr
In post 245, Conspire wrote:VOTE: Farkran
Do you still believe this is true?In post 47, Farkran wrote:To be more clear i am not RVSing, i think the joke is not actually a joke.
The same thing happened in the previous cult game where blatant scum claimed CL d1
I want alyssa lynched
Blatant Scum's whole shtick is claiming scum/cult regardless of alignment. So, why use that as an example to cultread Alyssa for doing it?
-Cosmic
Up to date, sorted chronologicallyIn post 520, Conspire wrote:I'm also not that familiar with the playlist; out of the ones I know though, I probably TR Slaxx a bit
Current thoughts: based on fun-value, I still think Korina's gonna chose someone he likes working with/is a strong player and in my mind, that's gotta be Alyssa/Farkran. Kind of changed my mind and I can see it going either way now. Either Alyssa's joke was scum indicative, or scum!Farkran made an easy push on the first thing he saw.
VOTE: Alyssa the Lamb
~Esper
Bolded: agreed and that's what i meant to sayIn post 661, Auro wrote: @Farkan:Replace 'lynch' with 'push'- there's going to be a lot of pushback if someone tries to lead a push on Alyssa/You/Me/Slaxx etc; and I'd think it's much easier to coast while pushing a slot like Homura. I agree that Alyssa was a convenient vote for a while, but they seem to have stuck with it even after the general thread consensus seemed to change.
I mean that nobody actually pushed there until she actually spoke, and even then the wagon dropped almost immediatelyIn post 666, Auro wrote:What do you mean?In post 664, Farkran wrote:Remember how Alyssa was going like "cult hasn't posted yet" when the last slot to speak was exactly homura and nobody picked that upIn post 202, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:I still think cult hasn't posted yetIn post 207, Auro wrote:So you think Homura is cult, Ank?
That i don't think Homura is a coastable push based on what happened?In post 671, Auro wrote:What would the former argument imply?In post 668, Farkran wrote:I mean that nobody actually pushed there until she actually spoke, and even then the wagon dropped almost immediately
Well, the latter seems a bit post-hoc-y, no?