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With Bob's flip, Geraintm doesn't make as much sense to me today as he did yesterday.

Explain you’re thinking when most people think the exact opposite as you.

With the way Bob was defending geraintm, I thought there may have been a connection.

VOTE: geraintm

You've got a point.

VOTE: aloratom

I nearly voted Espresso, but I think his L-2 vote, knowing FL would L-1 (which is NAI from FL) was kinda too scummy to be scum... My expectation of Day 1 was that the wagon on bob was going to actually die out and we would move on to another wagon, I'm not sure why it just felt like momentum had passed... so the rapid 2 votes with no claim etc was a bit of a surprise.

Anyway, I think Alo has been a bit all over the place and is kinda almost letting people tell him who to vote and it comes over like 'oh if i do this vote, people will like me/think im town' - I nearly voted for espresso, but I think that vote was too risky perhaps... Unless the scum team is Espresso and Ger and the fear was the wagon would revert to Ger after it failed on Bob.

But anyway, I'll read the thread more later and look at what I can find, this is my gut feeling for now.

Actually, I had three votes yesterday, geraintm, espresso, and geraintm. But that's alright.

You see something between espresso and geraintm?

If you look at who wasn't on the Bob wagon, you've got egix, geraintm, you and me. I'm not convinced that all the scum were on the Bob wagon. So if I'm weighing between geraintm and espresso, and I already have a read on geraintm, I stick with geraintm. If espresso starts pinging harder, I'll take another look, but I see no reason to switch just because I think he gave a scummy answer. I've been trying to find balance between playing too slowly and too aggressively. I've been accused as a deadbeat by doing the former and burnt by bad reads by doing the latter. I'm looking for middle ground. We're early in Day 2, and I'm trying to play at a measured pace. Thus, I'm holding ground for a minute.

So don’t insult my intelligence please

he's rather touchy over that so I would recommend not doing it.

other things are fair game. Dress sense, hair cut, having to have a mug with his own name on it so he doesn't forget, they are ok...

That mug line almost makes me want to unvote you.

Quick post before bed. I pretty much asked aloratom to claim earlier. I got zero response from him.

Remember this post ger?

"aloratom made a post whilst at L-1 with no mention of their status though....either that is coolness under pressure or i don't know what."

It just makes sense to vote here. If not, Robb's burnt.

VOTE: geraintm

This was a planned bus.

Robb’s right.

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It’s Ame and BEF.

@Profii - look at Ame’s entire ISO with this in mind.

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the thing is germ had no reason to vote al. his first time voting, he was getting some votes so it could definitely have been for distancing. He literally had no reason to vote which I brought up.

So he doesn't get credit for just being on the wagon, not from me anyway.

I did that stupid personality test, my personality required evidence. I need reasons. This is why I always get scared when wagons form without them (bob and egix)

got to find the scum responsible for those.

I think you’re right. I’m gonna wait for Profii still, and just in general give it more time, but it looks like a planned bus. The knowledge of Aloratom claiming doctor before going out looks like that was the plan to out the doctor, and it’s even more likely based on Gera/Alora seeming to be friendly with each other prior to this game. Gera getting upset in the twilight of his bud’s demise replacing out also can make sense coming from scum.

So all these things that used to give Gera town points actually aren’t NAI, and together they might even be scum indicative.

Ame coming in the way they did also seems like “welp, scum in a rough spot, but damn it, imma go out guns blazing. This wasn’t my game to lose anyways.”

Ame immediately comes in trying to flip Rob’s read, and appease Profii by calling them town. Then they hide the BEF defense in plai; sight.

They say Hi to Flippy as a friendly gesture because they’ve played together, but from what I recall, they didn’t actually talk too much in my game that I just modded that they were both in. So I feel Ame started playing the political field, and they said that the final scum were in Myself, Una, and Flippy, and they decided to push myself and Una as the scum team, but had to keep Flippy there for a possible late game mislynch.

I think it’s Ame/BEF, and I think I’m going to lock that in for a second.

Their push on me actually caught me way off guard, and it was a strong play had they not known about Profii-Una-FL core.

On top of that core, I also have an extensive history with Rob, and in real life FlippyNips and I are seen as a duo of sorts, so with that knowledge not being known, I think BEF/Ame coming after me was a fantastic scum play, that was accidentally able to be defended against.

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Profii/Germ both hard bus Aloratom? They also both would have been involved with a fake hammer of sorts there too.

[Flavor Leaf]

There’s something in my gut that’s telling me BEF is town, so I’m going to take a break, so I don’t go on another long spiral. I did a lot of analyzing past few hours. Fell asleep way early for the first time in months, so I woke up at like 4 am, and have been doing this since.

The break will probably clear everything up anyways.

Individual scum reads right now, though, Ame is also at the top for me.

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flavor saying I am right freaks me out. he just had me as scum 10 minutes ago

I think that’s fair. You just said you could make a case on everyone in the game, and that’s effectively what I’ve been doing, and then something else pops up that made me think I was wrong, and I kept going in circles.

I had you as town the majority of this game, I’m just respecting the fact that you likely don’t have a basic scum game.

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I was so certain Aloratom was scum for days, that the entire game revolved around it for a bit for me, and I hadn’t really done deep analysis until now

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I don’t think so. I think we’ve only ever been town together.

I feel like it’s possible you’ve been in a game where I’m scum, but i think I might’ve killed you off immediately, or you had a replace out. Other than that, I don’t think ever.

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I’m not even sure if that’s a thing that’s happened, but I just didn’t want it to seem like that’s not a possibility, because I really can’t think of a time.

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I tried looking into some NKA, But if you get to the end of the day for each of the days, Aloratom is also being pushed by both Ejinami and Mavs, and Ejet was self explanatory.

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Well, I'm town here.


And flippynips plays another game in addition mafia when he's playing mafia. It's him versus the 48 hour countdown, and slot of times the 48 hour countdown wins, sometimes he just has to post something. More does it for a prodge sake than playing sake.

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BEF-Alora-gera would be an easy solve at this point?

I've gone over this solve.


I also can see you in the place of BEF, and Profii.

I don't have any definitive conclusion on your slot from your catch-up because it could go either way.

Probably going to want to end up lynching Ame today. See what happens from there

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I did the answer is Profii thing because I hammered without really having a strong pull on the game yet and I was trying to soft an investigative role or something to draw a Night Kill.

I'm VT.

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I did the answer is Profii thing because I hammered without really having a strong pull on the game yet and I was trying to soft an investigative role or something to draw a Night Kill.

I'm VT.

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Sorry, I quoted posts and then thought “The Aloratom wagon was a planned bus”

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Ame’s legit open wolfing right now, but i understand they have to make the play because of replacing in.

I’m like sold on lynching there today, by the way.

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Ame seems drastically different from the game I modded with them in it, and they were town there. They also seem like they’re trying to play a political game here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ame seems drastically different from the game I modded with them in it, and they were town there. They also seem like they’re trying to play a political game here.

What game was that?

Boon Gets Pretentious.

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Well, I’m not scum, Ame. If you’re town, I’m trying to figure it out, but your pushing feels scum motivated.

Una and Profii don’t get pocketed by me, I get pocketed by them.

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I feel like I’m more all over the place as town, but when I get in a tunnel I’m sure of myself

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We’re a scum team apparently

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What’s your animal crossing island name?

Mines Flava Town

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Do you think I make that plead to you as scum

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Look at that EJet wagon!

It’s BEF

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I didn’t argue it, I mislynched Egix, and it became confirmed?

Maybe I did, idk.

I’m town this game, idk. There’s a lot of WIFOM’ing going around and based on scum likely being in BEF/Una/Profii, I’m unable to sift through it.

Whichever of the scum is in you, good job, because I genuinely can’t tell

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My Egix push got me Alora. I’m not trying to hide like I didn’t push Egix. I believe I tried going Aloratom that day phase too, but people changed it around.

I still feel like I was the main pusher of Aloratom. Espressojet sheeped me, then started analyzing. Profii/Gera joined in somewhere along the way, but even then I felt their pushing was fake. I think Profii’s town, though.

Occam’s razor right now, it’s Ame and Una/BEF.

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Probably Una because he keeps on trying to paint me as scum, and I don’t believe he ever actually scum reads me here as town. He also is doing these giant wall posts to say very little.

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BEF seems incredibly genuine everytime he comes back and talks, and when he’s gone he seems like possible scum again, so I think BEF’s probably a mislynch.

Ame/Una is where I’m gonna stick and try to stop overthinking.

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Una’s trying to pocket Profii here too.

I don’t believe Profii is trying to pocket me here and genuinely is town reading me.

Robb has no agenda, he just wants Ame slot lynched.

FlippyNips has no incentive to lock town read me if he is scum, and he has proven strong gut reads, so I’m going to trust his Unabombah vote from when everyone else was on Aloratom.

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Una’s been playing up the “Boon shouldn’t ever scum read me if he were town!” Card, but I scum read him almost everytime he is town, and when he’s scum, I town read him, based on his sig quote. Even the game I vigged him, I spent most of it town reading him, but I had Ame entire solo PT to try and solve the game that Night phase because I HAD to shoot not just the mafia, the mafia doctor of the 3, which I did.

It was an insurance policy to protect themselves if I ever went against them, and they say they would have killed me, that’s another WIFOM defense. They didn’t need to kill me here because they had an insurance policy, AND I was actively protecting Gera for so long.

It’s Una/Ame. Ame pushing flippyNips and myself is probably coached by Una even because it fits Una’s agenda insanely well when you break down the fact Ame is pushing Flippy, and Una is pushing me whilst attempting to mimic analyzing.

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Locking it it.

VOTE: Ame

It’s Ame and Una.

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Either of those wagons flip scum, I’m exonerated.

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Whether flippyNips knows or trusts the read is irrelevant.

It’s like when Holly accidentally finds Michael Scott on the rooftop.

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Hmm...I guess that team does make sense if I’m just pocketed by FlippyNips.

Why haven’t they wanted to vote for Ame yet? Were they waiting for me?

I think your lynch is “extremely likely” not set in stone.

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flippyNips/Ame doesn’t make sense, does it?

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I don’t think so.

VOTE: Una

Join me, Ame.

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In a world where BEF is town, I don’t believe Una ever is.

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Profii/BEF have incredibly genuine reactions to everything, Robb is tunneled on Ame.

Ame’s partner would need to be Flippy or Una, and they’ve shown willingness, and almost strictly voting the 2 of them.

I might just be wrong on Flippy, but I’d rather go Una first because I don’t think I’m wrong there

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I was gonna vote Una, the you, FL, voted Ame and I'm not wholly sure but now.you went Una I'm like yeah!

VOTE: una

I think this is the way to go. Unas doing a lot of nothing in the walls, as I said usually Una is quite decisive which makes it hard for scum and that's not happening. I'm happy with this vote

The thing is, I’ve been thinking it was Una/Ame, but Ame being okay with Una, and then going Flippy earlier doesn’t make sense from scum. Also, Ame being scum means 2 scum were off the Bob wagon, something I don’t believe.

My VCA from earlier with the BEF/Rob/Una having to contain scum still rings true, and Rob is pushing Ame constantly, but would settle on me, which is the only pause I have for them being town. They were even dead set on being lynched today if it meant to go to Ame eventually.

I think Robb is town hard tunneling town.

BEF screams obvtown anytime he speaks, but everytime he’s gone, I think he’s scum again, which means he’s likely a mislynch, something BEF is often pushed as being, so that even adds up to likely town BEF.

Flippy/Una solves everything. I’m just wrong on Flippy based on him lock towning me, and that’s why it was done. There was already a world where I still get lynched without Flippy voting me.

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Still, Flippy voting Una doesn’t seem like a scum Flippy move, but being against an Una wagon here doesn’t seem like a town Flippy move.

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Damn, Flippy also probably targeted Una then.

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Yeah, he called me lock town Day 3.

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Well, Ame, which of Profii/Rob/BEF is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Look at that EJet wagon!

It’s BEF

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BEF/Robb
Robb/Una
BEF/Una
Una/Ame
BEF/Ame

Rob/Ame are never S/S, but they can be T/T.

An Una town flip means BEF is scum, and a BEF town flip means Una is scum.

Una and BEF are never TvT here, and they can even be S/S.

If we can hit the scum in Una/BEF today, then I think we win because we can deal with Robb/Ame because we’ll have a mislynch.

Taking out the Una ones we’re down to BEF/Rob, BEF/Ame.

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I think I’m down to take the leap with lynching Rob here, and then 3p lylo just power Lynch BEF?

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Can you guys claim?

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Because then I die, and you get to 3p lylo with Rob/Profii/ame, and I feel that 3p lylo can go wonky.

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Eh, we can do it...

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

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Rob/Profii wins off this vote if BEF is town.

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bob3141

(7) ~

unabombah

, profii, brighteyedfish,

emperor flippynips,

, Robbvna,

espressojet

,

flavor leaf

Egix

(6) ~

flavor leaf

,

espressojet

,

unabombah

, brighteyedfish, Ame, robbnva

aloratom

(5) ~

espressojet

, Ame,

flavor leaf

, profii,

aloratom

Yeah, I’m willing to call it on BEF/Robb.

BEF was defending Aloratom.
Robb was hard pushing Gera.
Rob defended BEF’s quote about pushing EJet saying scum doesn’t do that.

I think Robb is for sure scum here.

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UNVOTE: BEF

Wait it out still.

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Profii, you town? You solid with Ame/Profii/FL town block?

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Rob/Profii
Profii/Ame
Ame/BEF
BEF/Rob
Profii/BEF
Rob/Ame

One of these combinations is the team. I don’t think it’s Rob/Ame.

One of the other 5, though.

Profii/Ame would have to be double pocket attempting me right now, which is possible if they realized I was Inno’d


I’m still leaning Rob/BEF or Rob/Profii right now.

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Lol

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Alora flipped scum, he obviously didn’t check Alora

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I’m dead.

It’s clearly one of BEF and Profii with Robb.

I just have absolutely no clue which one of them it is.

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I’m gonna go Rob today.

I don’t see him as town at this point.

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I hate to say it, but I think it’s Robb/Profii.

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Profii’s saying all the right things, and BEF all the wrong things, and in a perfect world, maybe BEF is just scum, but BEF also seems like a game winning mislynch, and anytime BEF posts, I feel that...

Idk. I’m glad I’m not making it to the next day phase, and if I do, well fuck

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But you’re voting him and not one of the two people. Why?

that was my random vote and not found anyone yet i actually want to vote for, so it will stay there until i do

You can always unvote if you aren't SRing you RVS vote.
It might help us out in the coming days when VCA starys becoming useable.

Is this some kind of weird buddying tactic where you are trying to put the idea in his head that he shouldn't vote for me?

Interesting...a quote with all 4 of you in it. Which of you was the scum quoting another scum.

It seems like Profii was possibly Hatcheting here...Profii-Rob team equity raising.

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he's skillful enough as scum to fool everyone.

This is why his quietness is making me paranoid.

normal from him i would say

Another quote with 3 of yous. At least 1 of these are from scum, possibly 2.

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yes you have to always investigate him early.

Good thing it happened, mr. Investigate FL over anyone else!

Subtle guide to make sure investigations don’t go their way.

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@mavsfan

what should i do to defend myself. i cant sit there and go "I'm town" - but that wouldn't work.
I could sit there and try and generate a new wagon, but at the time i didn't have anyone i really wanted to lynch and i wasn't going to fake anything.
I've since called out people with crappy reasons for voting me, to me that is a defence - pointing out that the wagon was just dumb (jake claims that they got scum vibes from my random vote for exmaple).

I didn't think i was going to get lynched (i didn't think there was anymore townies who could convince themselves to vote for me, and no scum would hammer when i would turn up innocent), which was why i was shocked when i got hammered.

What would you have done different to me? You'd have gone out and found scum and presented their body all hogged up for the rest of us to lynch? or something else?

This is a silly post. Of course no one is expecting you to bag 'em scum Day 1. You're pinging hard here.

VOTE: geraintm

Anti association. Mixed in with me thinking multiple scum on Bob, I’m probably never voting Ame.

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Thats the wagon on me at its height.

mavsfan41, unabombah, proffii, bef, flippy

of those on it i would say teh most likely town is mav who unvoted a bit ago.

If he was scum it would be to hard or look bad for him to keep pushing it.

3 of these have flipped town, so definitely at least one of Profii/BEF scum.

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what has FL done that you find scummy?

And fun fact, I find it really unlikely that anyone would defend scum!flavor in that way after his reaction test.
If this comes from scum!profii, it should more likely be TMI or gaslighting (which would both mean that flavor is town).
buddying a teammate in a way that brings even more attention to them, just after they wrote a scummy post really doesn’t make sense to me.

ohhh I just rechecked the VC and was reminded Geraint is voting FL too.

UNVOTE:

feels like a ploy...

lol

Why aren’t you voting gera then?

I don't know if I could put a number on it. His(leaf’s) play so far is scummy and he's useless so he is definitely a good day 1 lynch. He's going to be harder to lynch as the days go on and he's skillful enough as scum to fool everyone.

Another post that’s unlikely to come from SvS lol

Sigh

BEF is town. If I ever change my mind or start hesitating, honestly fuck me. Him entertaining the idea of Flavor&Jake being a team and joking about it so much is just weird at this point.
He most likely joked about it precisely because he was aware that the idea is unlikely to be true.
It feels as if he’s focused NOT on pushing a ML but on just.... like.... idk. Himself
And progressing the game and sharing his thoughts while “preparing himself for failure”.

Quick note:
Mavsfan seems to be solving in a kinda passive and active way at the same time. His analysis posts seem detailed and he surely put some effort into them but it doesn’t feel as if he’s trying to control the lynch. He seems fine with just flying under the radar and waiting for others to maybe agree or disagree with his pushes. This is likely not AI in any way, considering for how long he has been playing, I really wouldn't be surprised to see that from either alignment.
It’s probably still worth noting tho

VOTE: Aloratom

I see your still voting geraintm with your rvs vote. You have ben posting all the while its steadily reached l-1.

yet no real attempt to sort him or move the lynch off else where.

Only post whre you talk about an alignment is when you say that one of mav posts look towny. At no point who you think might be scum.

Why you think geraintn is scum

Actually, I'm going to take a look at espressojet. He's had that vote on himself for a long time now, and it's weird.

VOTE: espressojet

...:/
VOTE: aloratom

That’s probably my first real scum-read...
The post feels like the very definition of scum trying to fly under the radar. If the scum-read on espresso was genuine, I find it kinda weird that he’d only remember it now, while quoting bob’s post. It looks like he just realized that he was scum-read, posted some random stuff without thinking, just to not get lynched immediately, and started lurking again.

That should probably correct regardless of his alignment...

Can someone talk to me about how he plays as town?

These were Ejinami posts Day 1. He pushed Aloratom, and had Jake/Profii comments. However, he had concerns with BEF as well.

All in all, both more equity for town Ame due to likely all scum being semi threatened by Ejinami.

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Spoiler:

Does anyone have a read on brighteyedfish? I think he’s straight up scum. Jake from State Farm, you were my wagon target but a wagon clearly won’t develop.... was waiting to see if BEF jumped on it like he has done this whole game..... he was the real target of my wagon. Meta has played a sizable role in this game and I haven’t played with anyone here previously so I’ll defer.

Going the Boston Bruins’ game tonight, so I’ll post more in depth when I get home, but I’m completely okay with a BEF lynch. I know early in the game he did double down on the meta of himself. Can anyone confirm this?

Also, UnaBombaH - I think you’re straight up town. The reason I picked you cause you were a solid foil of what I thought was a solid fake hammer strategy (haven’t seen it before but I sorta get it) and BEF who like 2 pages later piggy backed and did THE SAME EXACT THING which I found hilarious. He posts every 48 hours as if he’s setting an alarm so he doesn’t get prodded then disappears. He posts a lot but all of it is reactions and not research or active scum hunting. All of it just SCREAMS scum to me.

Unvote: Jake from State Farm

Vote: BEF

lol mavs fan. Definitely solidified my scum read on him. Doesn’t even have conviction and votes one of the townier people

lol mavs fan. Definitely solidified my scum read on him. Doesn’t even have conviction and votes one of the townier people

why do you think bef is towniest player.

What about mav posts makes you think he is scum. Also can you detail explian your scum read on mav.

Out of everyone he’s one of the least scummiest. Him and profi have been two people I haven’t had many issues with their posts.

I do wonder why mavs is making a lot of moves and being more aggressive. I wonder if he/bob may be a team.

My scum read on him developed when he said he wanted to go after lurkers when he was a lurker himself. It solidified even more when he claimed I wasn’t scum hunting when there is evidence of me scum hunting him (calling out his hypocrisy and geraniums) then he tries to use the fact I joined your wagon against me when everyone should know based on my earlier posts I’d join any wagon. You can’t be ok with my statement early game and then when I continue doing what i said I would do, scum read me for it. The fact he didn’t even try to see if a wagon would form shows he realized he made a mistake (or maybe one of his partners warned him in mafia chat) and he backed off.

He’s scum at best. Seriously antitown at worst.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but do you mean scum at worst, antitown at best?

Defense of BEF, but also makes a post good for Profii/BEF, either one of em as a scum team. They’re ganging up on Bob here, so Rob is definitely scum for me here.

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But that’s probably not what you meant. Idk bef or profli

Fuck this game

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Boon+profii+Jake.
Just dropping these in case scum get hasty with any of them.

Did you have it minus me...? Should I trust the almighty Una?

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aloratom (3) ~ egix96,

ejjinami, bob3141

This wagon is the other wagon when Bob got lynched.

Probably indicative of scum being somewhere here, and I think I’m happy to go Alora today.

VOTE: Aloratom

Egix has scum equity, but I think positioning wise it makes more sense for Alora to be scum here?

How would positioning on Alor's wagon make Alor scum? Wouldn't that meam Scum!Egix = Scum!Alor and not the other way around. Or am I misunderstanding this post.

Hmm

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Are you all three just scum?

Who is the 3?

You and your two teammates?

(guys, if Jake falls for this and reveals his teammates, this is going to be so amazing)

I’m not scum though.

shhh! He's on to us!

Quick. Vote me so he doesn’t suspect anything

Alright but only if you vote me back

but I am tunneling germ, if I vote you that may raise eyebrows

gotta emulate that town meta yo

Just gonna leave this here

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Does anyone have a hypothesis on the NK victim? My townie reads were UnaBombaH, profii and ejjinami. Figured one of them was going down. Geraintm I also get a weird townie read (scum I feel would be more, umm, “careful” when posting) but I know why he wasn’t NK’ed....

Does anyone have a guess of why ejjinami? Skimming through his posts now (will go more in depth later) my only read would be that he was one of the few that had an early scum read on alorotam. Flimsy at best and maybe he was just a rando target picked from the strongest townie reads. Also, that would be assuming there was a motivation to his NK and why he was targeted over some other players. Maybe the reason is he was less likely to be a mislynch victim and that’s good enough for a NK target.

A quick skim doesnt give me any distinct reads yet I felt he was quite towny so maybe scum found a kill that doesnt give much away

People often say "player X scum read player Z, then player X died, ergo player Z likely scum" but that seems too obvious to me

This kinda implicates Profii a bit. I feel in hindsight there definitely is reason for Ejinami to be dead, and this is exactly what I would expect Scum to want people to think of the night kill.

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Spoiler:

Jake you want to lynch geraintm and I want to lynch alo - how do you see a compromise working out here?

Jake you want to lynch geraintm and I want to lynch alo - how do you see a compromise working out here?

i'm not moving my vote off germ so don't expect me to compromise.

Jake you want to lynch geraintm and I want to lynch alo - how do you see a compromise working out here?

i'm not moving my vote off germ so don't expect me to compromise.

well what if the compromise is I help you lynch geraintm today and let's just speculate that he may not flip scum as you say - if you get proved wrong and you willing to be more flexible in the next game day?

Jake you want to lynch geraintm and I want to lynch alo - how do you see a compromise working out here?

i'm not moving my vote off germ so don't expect me to compromise.

well what if the compromise is I help you lynch geraintm today and let's just speculate that he may not flip scum as you say - if you get proved wrong and you willing to be more flexible in the next game day?

if we lynch germ today, I will sheep majority tomorrow.

Jake you want to lynch geraintm and I want to lynch alo - how do you see a compromise working out here?

i'm not moving my vote off germ so don't expect me to compromise.

well what if the compromise is I help you lynch geraintm today and let's just speculate that he may not flip scum as you say - if you get proved wrong and you willing to be more flexible in the next game day?

if we lynch germ today, I will sheep majority tomorrow.

we pretty close to alo so Im gonna stick for now but i'll hold you to this if i have to

aloratom (3) ~ egix96,

ejjinami, bob3141

This wagon is the other wagon when Bob got lynched.

Probably indicative of scum being somewhere here, and I think I’m happy to go Alora today.

VOTE: Aloratom

Egix has scum equity, but I think positioning wise it makes more sense for Alora to be scum here?

This logic isn't necessarily bad, but can't vote somebody just on wagon analysis alone so not a solid vote

VOTE: Aloratom

I see your still voting geraintm with your rvs vote. You have ben posting all the while its steadily reached l-1.

yet no real attempt to sort him or move the lynch off else where.

Only post whre you talk about an alignment is when you say that one of mav posts look towny. At no point who you think might be scum.

Why you think geraintn is scum

Actually, I'm going to take a look at espressojet. He's had that vote on himself for a long time now, and it's weird.

VOTE: espressojet

@jake

This was the sort of thing that pinged me but here's a thought

This post is someone basically saying I dont like your vote and Alo, out of nowhere going "uh oh better move it for you then"

I haven't gone looking for more because its notable that if Alo did stop Ger being L-1 then there is a chance they are just both scum...I need to check this out a bit more

Lol

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If we are all dancing around l-1 due to FL at what point do we deal with claiming

Damn, this is so damning, Profii...

You’re wondering about claim time when Aloratom goes onto Fake claim.

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That you and FL are scumbuddies.

That’s not my theory. I know that’s not true. I was asked about my theory and I don’t know what he was talking about.

That's my theory.

Uhhhhhhh, my new banner, I’m in lovvvvveeeeee

Well, someone's going to sleep with the fishes.

Is FL in love with me? Is that what I'm supposed to infer from this post?

he thinks he got hammered and this is his reaction? This is not townie reaction who was just was lynched imo.

Pissed if someone hammered me without any warning. This has been the laziest day one lynch I've seen in a long time.
Need to look who joined for crappy reasons come tkmorrow

Agreed, I think I said it before but this reaction doesn't read like a genuine response to me either. If he was just playing along he should say that if he knew the hammer was fae.

Jake you want to lynch geraintm and I want to lynch alo - how do you see a compromise working out here?

Not jake but...
Espresso still has the D1 VCA stuff if anyone wants to go in a totally new direction

BEF, if you’re town, how do you straight up go on quoting every single scum member back to back.

BEF-Robb have a lot of weird interactions if they’re S/S, and BEF seems to be straight up in a different plane of existing than both Robb and Aloratom. There’s a lot of miscommunication in between them, and that usually comes from TvS.

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Or TvT*

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If anyone had any doubts if Jake was town...


This is all rediculous. Al is an easy mislynch, and this little tiff is putting emotions before logic and screwing with deductive reasoning.

Let's put these on the backburner to cool off and boil a different pot

What makes you call alo a mislynch exactly?

You’re like a freakin’ hawk! You pounce out of nowhere to swoop in and catch the fish!

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Are you all three just scum?

Who is the 3?

You and your two teammates?

(guys, if Jake falls for this and reveals his teammates, this is going to be so amazing)

I’m not scum though.

shhh! He's on to us!

We've established Jake knows I'm scum... duh

Damn, this so came to bite you back later didnt it

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Also, I just wanna say...

Oh my god.

UnaBombah and I were legit not in the first half of this game. We just kept making pop ins and shading each other as scum the entire game until Una died...AGAIN. Except last time I think I died first.

Hilarious.

But it got me to late game. I’m annoyed that I lynched Egix before Aloratom. I knew I shouldn’t have compromised myself to that.

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VOTE: Al

@mod: welcome back!

Also, i believe the most recent vote count is incorrect? I have my vote on aloratom (or at least believe I did).

If not:

Vote: Aloratom

VOTE: jake

VOTE: germ

I think that BEF/Profli make the most sense as partners to germ. Nips also fits into that equation somewhat. They both voted germ day 1 but neither of them were serious votes (bef even with the fake hammer and also a quick vote of FL and then un-voting which looked like an attempt for a distraction)

The guy who was killed also tossed out the suggestion of a germ/profli connection and while it was kind of a throw away, it could have been motive enough to kill him.

All this is just based on my gut and what I have read, plus the fact there isn't anything germ has done to find scum. tbh profli and bef aren't really playing that well either.

as for FL, he is a dangerous player as scum, plus he hasn't really been scum hunting either. plus I don't like him very much

Did a damn good job at pairing Profii/BEF in your posts. However that is completely indicative of Rob being scum with them based on how much they were mentioned together as possible scum. Ones a setup mislynch, ones a partner.

I still think it’s Profii/Rob so far, which is why Profii’s priority today was BEF. It’s the gamestate scum’s created.

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The Alo wagon has died seemingly.

I will do you a deal Jake. If you can talk some more people on to Germ, I'll help you as a compromise lynch... given that he is voting Alo, i pretty much think he is town so for me it's a stupid slot to vote for, but if that means we flip him and as part of the deal you follow me on to Alo tomorrow then that is progress.

But i'd still rather see the Alo wagon come back. I'll look for some more scums later in the mean time.

Let me get this correct. You are going to follow the vote of someone who just fake claimed being a cop and getting a guilty verdict? And you think this is a good idea?

Tell him, Germ!!

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To honor our dead doctor...first.

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Spoiler:

BEF - have them as bored townie. they could well be scum (post 672, where they don't get why the wagon on aloratom implicates egix is something to keep in mind later in the game if certain people flip scum), reluctance to join the alor wagon and the ease they moved to me, but they look more like a townie who doesn't have any clear convictions.
I have them somewhere in the middle. not scum, not a lurker, just...BEF

UNVOTE:
This post doesn't feel like scum. Does that make Jake conftown as well due to there "issues"?

I don't think "bored" is the best word to describe my play here, more like unsure. True, I don't have

clear

convictions but I still think EJ needs to be pushed more.

I think I do my best when I get direct questions, right now I feel as if I am interjecting my posts and no one seems to be interested.

Here maybe this will work.

I’m cop with a guilty on germ.

VOTE: Al

You say you have a guilty but you vote elsewhere. Oh man. This has got to go.

VOTE: Jake

I've learned the hard way from using a fake guilty. No way this helps us, especially when lylo gets closer. Scum will leave people like Jake plus lurkers alive to just so they can ease through to a W.

how do you know he fake claimed ?

Because he voted for Alor RIGHT AFTER claiming he had a guilty on Ger. If the guilty/inno wasn't on Ger then I would have believed it but there personal beef just makes me want to say its a BS guilty.

UNVOTE:

I'm actually more in favor of a rep out then lynching the slot.

none of this would have happened if germ didn't cross the line so I don't know why people think I should be the one who gets punished. that's just ridiculous.

I don't really care who started it, geez this isn't high school. I get a more toxic feel from your posts and from Ger's atm. If you can't handle yourself then you should at least not fill the game up with so much negativity.

I like this chain by BEF. He calls out Jake being the more toxic one.

In addition the BEF seeming genuinely paranoid about Myself/Jake S/S.

He also said he doesn’t think Gera is scum during a big Alo vs Gera moment, but doesn’t drop a vote. I actually think that’s townier than it is scummy because a townie is more worried about throwing their vote down, but scum need their vote to be seen, because it’s what you remember moreso than the casing itself.

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May his sacrifice not be in vain

And yet it has been in vain

No it hasn't.

Have you see today? We aren’t any closer to lynching scum than we were yesterday so so far it’s been in vain.

I honestly think if we don’t lynch scum today town will lose

I get it. But I suggest that you take a break for the night. Relax, watch some TV or something. Get some sleep. Come back tomorrow with a fresh look.

Calming scum partner down.

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And to put my money where my mouth is - time to equal out the two wagons again!

VOTE: geraintm

People might disagree, but I think gera and alora are the most logical lynches for today.

This is why I'm willing to compromise with jake. Any other direction today would be not as fruitful in terms of info gained

In fact, f it... let's see what happens

VOTE: ger

Ps - if ger lynch goes through then I am going to make Jake lynch Alo tomorrow assuming ger flips town. He didnt agree to the deal as such but I'm bored of this day now

There are too many distractions.

The problem is people are letting me v germ distract them. If people talk about other things/people and ignore us then people can do things. Flavor has basically ignored it.

Ultimately people need to state a scum read (s) and provide reasons why. I have set my germ push aside (unless others start voting) so now I wait to see what people have to add.

I did with EJ and I don't know if that's why you are voting there but I think it has merit.

VOTE: EspressoJet

Or we could just all gang up on BEF for not following the flock..

Or we could just all gang up on BEF for not following the flock..

VOTE: geraintm

Ok. I'll follow the flock. But if this wagon fizzles out AGAIN will you join me on EJ?

I actually really like this interaction. Una starts talking, votes Gera. Profii then goes to vote Gera. This is who scum want. Profii has “made a deal” with Robb, where if they go Gera this day, they have to go Alora the next. It sets them up to allow for Alora to live one more day, then they can bus.

BEF then comes in, completely marching to the beat of his own drum once again, votes EJ, then Una, who we know flipped town, convinced him to join the rest of them, but BEF still has his mind on EJ.

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I don't know what to make of your slot. Putting the whole Jake drama aside it makes me want to go elsewhere. But no one is really interested in pushing EJ with me so I'll support people who will hopefully support me later on EJ.

Super genuine BEF

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I don't believe Jake is scum, but he's making this day damn easy for scum right now

Why can't Jake be scum? It feels like we are being oblivious or the obvious if that makes sense.

Couple other people don’t scum read me also. If you think I’m scum don’t ask people why they don’t scum read me, Make a case for why you think I am.

My case on you scum right now would be based on a conspiracy, reverse AtE, and paranoia. Doesn't mean I would be wrong.

Ok so why do you have an issue because somebody doesn’t have a reverse aTE conspiracy paranoia conspiracy like you? It’s pretty rare so somebody not sharing your read isn’t strange

Let EJ answer for himself.

Give me these juicy anti associations, I love it

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I’m tempted to vote you also but I would never vote somebody boon was pushing.

Boon was on both Bob and Germain at the same time as you were. I think you love Boon and just afraid to admit it.

He wasn’t pushing them though. I don’t love him, I just don’t trust him. I seen him push to many mislynches.

"I have Egix down as scum. I think lynching aloratom will confirm this"

That's a weird thing to say

I might be taking that out of context just looking at that quote though so my bad if so

Good trolling, BEF.

Also, Profii shading my weird way of wording stuff. That’s a hawk Profii move again.
Profii the Hawk.

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Did someone say L-1?

VOTE: Alo
I'd rather do alo first so I'm gonna have my own little protest rn

If Egix flips scum, someone investigate Profii

Hell, even if Egix flips town.

Thats just off by Profii

Yeah, it was. It was a TMI push on a buddy because Egix wagon was going through with all town.

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I also have this paranoid feeling about bef/una both having this paranoia about me/boon

Finally.

A mislynch pairing setup. A little egg of a hint

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bob3141 (7) ~ unabombah, profii, brighteyedfish, emperor flippynips, jake from state farm, espressojet, flavor leaf

Everyone on this wagon is alive. There are definitely scum on it but who?

Lol

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Una, this is extremely reminiscent of the last time we were TvT.

FlippyNips wall seems solid, idk if it's the right conclusion, but I like the progression.

I don't have anything on BEF. Also there are strong anti BEF/FlippyNips associations.

I think it's Alora/Profii right now

It could be BEF.

If Alora is town, it's probably Profii/Gera.

Something's off about Profii but I can't really case them, and that's something I don't like.

TRUST YOURSELF FLAVOR DAMN IT

Profii, you’re scum! Consider yourself caught.

The only Leaf that brings the Beef!

Surrender yourself now

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Regular doctor is less believable, I feel.

I also feel like there’s zero chance he targeted me, and he’s doing that to appease to me.

I hard pushed through Egix mislynch yesterday, and specifically stated that Aloratom or Egix was scum, why would he protect me?

Egix, Ejinami, Bob were all on Aloratom Day 1 when Bob was lynched. They’ve all flipped town. So if Aloratom is town, then that means they had an all town wagon on them, and it confirms 2 scum at the very least on Bob, if Gera is town, it’s confirmed 3 on Bob, however if Alora is town, why would all 3 scum need to be on Bob?

Alora and Gera are the 2 alive not on Bob, so if there’s scum off the Bob wagon, which is likely, it has to be one of them. I think it’s more likely Alora

So why not flip gera first? If al is legit do you know how embarrassing it is to do scums work?

It’s the wagon on Alora from day 1, really.

Like I see the Gera case, I just personally don’t think Gera is scum. If Alora flipped red, would you still push Gera?

Like, there’s no way it isn’t just Profii/Rob
.

I would actually be shocked right now if I ended up being wrong.

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There’s something in my gut that’s telling me BEF is town, so I’m going to take a break, so I don’t go on another long spiral. I did a lot of analyzing past few hours. Fell asleep way early for the first time in months, so I woke up at like 4 am, and have been doing this since.

The break will probably clear everything up anyways.

Individual scum reads right now, though, Ame is also at the top for me.

Gonna take a break again. I have this exact same thought once again. Gut wants me to know BEF is town

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Why vote....ugh.

My read on Ame was correct. I knew that much. I was still solving.

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Yeah, Profii was lock scum. I was gonna go through BEF/Profii scenarios today, but we had to rush it :shrug:

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If ame is town I blame town for not sorting us earlier. Y’all mislynched some stupid people when you could have done something productive and ended this multi day death tunnel.

This is just dumb. There were clear times that I was saying I think you lot could be TvT.

Also, Una vs Me would have just been the cause had we went after you. Literally the majority of both of our games was just us shading each other.

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Ugh, i would have ended up choosing correctly in 3p lylo.

Profii was always the lynch for today.

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Ame was so ObvTown, Gera was so ObvTown. Ughhhhhhhh.

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Ugh, i would have ended up choosing correctly in 3p lylo.

Profii was always the lynch for today.

That wasn’t even remotely where your posts were heading

Boy everytime you and I spoke directly I ended up town reading you.

Profii was lock scum

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I literally said things like that every single day phase and flip flopped away. I spent the majority of the game correctly town reading you, and it wasn’t until your endgame lack of doing anything that changed it

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I even worked with your Gera read multiple times throughout the game, and then I even went multiple days saying you guys were probably TvT, but I went through the motions and checked every possible scenario.

Una vs FL was the TvT being fueled by scum.

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I might have mislynched on the final day still due to not figuring out correctly BEF/Rob, but I likely wasn’t making it there.

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Shows. If you did, you’d be a stronger player. :shrug:

Flavor usually has worse reads than me so I doubt it.

This being my only town loss this year definitely shows that

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That’s on you not sold I wasn’t clear. FlippyNips obviously checked me

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I actually don’t think you were aggressive, I just think your play itself was poor this game based on you doing essentially less work than FlippyNips, especially in the later half of the game.

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Ugh, i would have ended up choosing correctly in 3p lylo.

Profii was always the lynch for today.

That wasn’t even remotely where your posts were heading

Boy everytime you and I spoke directly I ended up town reading you.

Profii was lock scum

Dude stop. Every game we play you scum read me. You basically said I was the lynch today.

I scum read literally everyone every game. Get over that

I’ve never mislynched you as town, and that speaks volumes.

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I also specifically town read you for 3.5+ days of this game

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You could have not held the personal tunnel against Gera, who during my reread last night was the most obv town who ever did town, as was Ame, who was a little puppy dog in this last Day.

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I literally said things like that every single day phase and flip flopped away. I spent the majority of the game correctly town reading you, and it wasn’t until your endgame lack of doing anything that changed it

Shows. If you did, you’d be a stronger player. :shrug:

Flavor usually has worse reads than me so I doubt it.

This being my only town loss this year definitely shows that

You’re good at riding the cat tails of others.

Wasn’t it this game you claimed to lynch all the scum and bob or someone set you straight?


You hop on wagons and then take credit for lynching scum. I’ve literally seen you do that 20+ times.

I give wagons the fuel it needs to go through.

Half my posts are dry sass on this site, but people don’t realize it, and that in itself is comedy to me.

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However, nobody can say that I don’t reevaluate. Sure, I’ll tunnel, but I’ll hop out of it, even for times. You didn’t do it.

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There wasn’t a doubt in your mind that wasn’t the right choice, and you were just flat out wrong, and it cost town the game. Sure, there are ways that it could have been prevented, but Ame didn’t need to be lynched. They were extremely townie, and I believe there were solid reasonings. You just chose to not want to believe them because you had a tunnel grudge against Gera.

People are gonna get personal, it’s nothing personal. Just business.

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You could have went to one of the others then.

I did that with Egix, got the mislynch, and it allowed Aloratom to be lynched the next day

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I scum read literally everyone every game. Get over that

And that’s why I ignore you. It’s why I don’t listen to you and it’s why I say you’re worse than me.

Scum reading everyone isn’t something to brag about

And that’s why you’re just wrong :shrug:

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I also specifically town read you for 3.5+ days of this game

And? If I don’t trust you, that doesn’t matter.

Again, on you. I was obviously cleared the past day.

I was literally defending you the majority of the game. But you couldn’t trust anything or care to do any work at all

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I scum read literally everyone every game. Get over that

And that’s why I ignore you. It’s why I don’t listen to you and it’s why I say you’re worse than me.

Scum reading everyone isn’t something to brag about

That’s just a playstyle. I’m literally playing the game and analyzing each and every slot because every slot has an equal chance of being scum unless you’re me because I roll scum way more than I roll town, it sucks.

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They were extremely townie

They were?

What is town about posting a sad eye meme and doing nothing else when I voted them?

Okay boomer

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Thanks. My reads weren’t perfect, but I was really trying to get the correct solve, and I almost got there, I feel.

Wish I just had more time to go through BEF and Robb.



I am constantly casing in my posts. You look through my ISO, and I have multiple deep analyzing posts, that even though some are incorrect, it is a legitimate thought process and explanations for why I’m feeling said read, and you still didn’t.


I feel I’m extremely transparent, to be honest, and especially with the Aloratom wagon, I have a lot of cases, which you acted like there were none, but I had been constantly explaining why Aloratom was essentially confirmed scum based on their wagon, and my reasonings ended up being 100% correct, something you actively chose to ignore as well.

You also completely shut down EJ, when I think he had valid points against you as well.

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It worked. You’re the reason I was leaning Profii/Rob rather than Profii/BEF.

Una flipping town also opened up a lot in my head.

@Una - we just can’t help from being paranoid of each other after the things we’ve been through

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I dont think I gave a case at all on alo

I basically just went "hes a bit weird, oh look he flipped scum, I can coast on this credit for a while "

I completely reread the game last night, and you were so obviously scum in hindsight.

I knew there was bussing on that wagon, but I saw Gera when Ame was pushing me yesterday.

But looking back in full, Gera had genuine reads and thought processes, and even handled Robb in a townie way (sure there were some heated comments, but of course that’s coming from town, tbh)