Mini 2127 - Fairly Special [Game Over]

[Team STRQ]

VOTE: mastina

please vote me mastina, so I can defend myself against you!

-Q

[Team STRQ]

Yeah I think so

Do you recognize any of the avis in our avi?

-Q

[Team STRQ]

Team STRQ, is it public knowledge who any or all of you are?

I'll give you a hint,

Tai

is the nickname this head goes by, but the actual user's name is 4 letters, and begins with "Ta--" just like the nickname.

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

Why wouldn't mastina include the hydra in this?

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

Why did you choose BSG?

-Q

[Team STRQ]

Never change Mastina. Never :3

-Q

[Team STRQ]

Team STRQ, how fitting is it that, out of the first three posters, it was our two slots that actually know the rules?

:3

[Team STRQ]

Chronos is like 0% yume lol

-Q

[Team STRQ]

I was actually going to vote for the hydra, but I saw Ank's profile pic in there + didn't want her to think I have a vendetta against her from TM20.

I picked BSG bcz I don't know what it stands for.

You wouldn't offend me if you did dw

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

Anyway

Rawr bitches

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

rude

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

Maybe the bottom left, but It could easily be just another anime avatar. Seriously, why are there so many anime avatars on Mafiascum?

pedit: ohhhh okay hey boi hows it going?

I am assuming my true form for this game as a reflection on my experiences with

eyestott, Titus, and mastina

.

Vote: Team STRQ

.

pedit: ohhhh okay hey boi hows it going?

Not gonna lie--I never signed up for this game. I was assigned this game due to listmod error so was quite baffled when I received a role PM for a game that I never signed up for to play. But when I took a look at the game, I went, "...yaknow what, sure, why not?" and decided to stay in it.

With absolutely no clue there was even a hydra in the game, yet alone the identity of said hydra's heads.

Thinking I made the right choice.

I want to hear good reasons to suspect this slot.

I was actually going to vote for the hydra, but I saw Ank's profile pic in there +

didn't want her to think I have a vendetta against her from TM20.

I picked BSG bcz I don't know what it stands for.

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

No way a civilian thinks that much about his entrance and an rvs vote yada yada yeeeeee

Not a fan of that entrance. VOTE: Chronos

Nah, I think that 24 is clearly worse. I don't see why Patronum should be so concerned with (highlighted). To me it reads as scum not wanting to stick their foot in it.

VOTE: Patronum

-

Pat's

policy vote is annoying since this hydra has experienced the same type of mentality the previous game, so I can't say the vote is AI.
-I mean, I can kind of see

Chronos'

point but what about

mastina's

text in 12? That was a pretty thoughtful opener, too.
-

eyestott's

vote and logic in 47 is sPiCy, but I want to know what he's seeing in 52
-

Egixx's

vote feels the most sound out of all of them but I want to know if he's townreading any opener so far.

Honestly Chronos's reaction seemed quite towny and post 39-40 was clearly him making a joke on his own RVS vote?

Off first glance, most definitive townvibe I've accrued from this post-chain.

While 59 proved

Ali's

idea of his post to be false, that makes this defense feel more raw, and I like that he opened with a townread since that implies a teamworking mindset.

@Cronos - What do you think of Egix's entrance (48)?

Not feeling anything about it. Nothing sways me one way or the other. Why, did you think it was weird?

I'm having quite the trouble wrapping my head around why you would feel compelled to ignore STRQ's hydra just because you had past experience with them and were wrong on one head of the hydra. Ok, well, this isn't really the issue, but more so why you had a reasoning for not voting them, in...

RVS

.

Clarification: This hydra has never crossed EspressoPatronum before.

If anyone has trouble reading this hydra, just try to solve one of us at least.

We're all 4 different players but we like developing our dynamics together, and while we're definitely not too immune or conscious of hydra dissonance, we're capable of gamesolving.

Did I miss rvs and we're all on serious votes now? Two votes on page 2 looked like they were serious votes and some of the votes on page 3 looked like they were rvs.

You did. We're srs business.

Titus

, this will be a great social experiment. Guess who this is

To my memory, neither of us have ever lived longer than 2 game phases within each other and not endgamed or won.

But I've also never played with you when I'm in a hydra

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

it's very simple to determine who is who just by isoing us in purgatory

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

EP I played with you on an alt in a mini theme ages ago but I don't remember your play that wells. If you remember DVa avatar then that would be from TM I guess but I kinda don't count that

-Q

[Team STRQ]

UNVOTE:

Also not sure how to even handle Tai’s question. They obviously had no thought about it, why should I? And how does that help them read me? The fact that I haven’t reacted to a post about how someone ended in a game? It wasn’t even their very first post if I remember correctly.

VOTE: Chronos

Just out of curiosity, what mini theme?

Pokemon [ruby? sapphire? something] mafia, I was detective pikachu iirc

-Q

[Team STRQ]

UNVOTE:

Also not sure how to even handle Tai’s question. They obviously had no thought about it, why should I? And how does that help them read me? The fact that I haven’t reacted to a post about how someone ended in a game? It wasn’t even their very first post if I remember correctly.

Clarify a few things:

You mean this question I posed?

-I mean, I can kind of see

Chronos'

point but what about

mastina's

text in 12? That was a pretty thoughtful opener, too.

If so, how does

Mastina

have less thought in 12 than

Espresso's

in 24?

I'm asking because this DOES help me read your thought process when you post by the nuances of how you interact with others, so I can determine alignment by motivation rather than painting an action as inherently towny or scummy. It's also part of reaction gauging.

So I can relate to your 80

-Tai

p-edit

Egixx's vote feels the most sound out of all of them but I want to know if he's townreading any opener so far.

I did get town feels from this:

Not gonna lie--I never signed up for this game. I was assigned this game due to listmod error so was quite baffled when I received a role PM for a game that I never signed up for to play. But when I took a look at the game, I went, "...yaknow what, sure, why not?" and decided to stay in it.

Although that is with the presumption that the alignment of the role would have had any relevance in her decision.

Can't say it's AI for

mastina

but this assessment feels genuine and possible.

[Team STRQ]

Chronos I have another question

whatcha reading?

-Q

[Team STRQ]

That seems like an extreme reaction to asking what you're reading

-Q

[Team STRQ]

"agency captured"
"page 4"

ok titus

-Q

[Team STRQ]

VOTE: titus.

Oh yeah I'm shaking in my boots

-Q

[Team STRQ]

How is this on page 3 already?

VOTE: Cronos

I hate titans.

VOTE: BP

Hates the rate of the game, but doesn't vote the higher posters.

And 3 pages isn't even bad for a mini. ~50 posts in about 10 hours.

Join me?

VOTE: BP

B

Joining you when asked in rvs = s/s huh?

-Q

[Team STRQ]

wouldn't you then being the one capturing agency?

-Q

[Team STRQ]

Conversely, EP interacted with the person posting rather than sitting on the person with one post

Why is "they're partners" a simpler explanation than that?

-Q

[Team STRQ]

I don't have the time or energy to address this as much as I'd like but here goes:

I’m not gonna answer that because STRQ made a logical leap and also framed a loaded question when my gripe with you had never been about you putting no thought in your post. And quite frankly I don’t see what that has to do with mastina.

I ask questions to one person that could be meant in solving multiple people, so your responses about one person do hold weight in my read on you and other people. This is a playstyle approach.

I don't follow how my insistence - or your avoidance - of discussing

mastina's

opener post to be NAI for either of you. It's really not that complicated, I just wanted to see how you read her opener since I felt that she had one that was nuanced like

EP's

.

I do understand why he interpreted it like that, I just rectified my use of pronouns there. “They had no thought about it, so why should I” was addressed towards Taly, I was essentially arguing that I found it weird Taly was holding me accountable for not reacting to mastina (as if there was anything to react to) as a reason for not town reading me / being skeptical about me, which is just silly.

I thought there could've been something to react to, that's why I asked you. You stated there was nothing to react about, I wanted to know what made you think that.

Although, even with the misused pronouns, that’s still a huge logical leap that isn’t explained by miscommunication on my part. I don’t understand even remotely how they jumped from me scum reading you for thinking about stuff that a civ never would to “how does mastina’s post have less thought than EP’s?”

Misused pronouns? Did I overlook something? :/

And scum reads? I don't recall a scumread being mentioned? Tbh, I'm having trouble following you.

And moreso how they actually placed a vote based on it. Like how is me saying (from their PoV) that I thought mastina had less thought than you in an entry post going to make me more likely to flip wolf?

VOTE: Team STRQ

Qrow

isn't fond of unvotes without context, but I still need to ask him the purpose of his vote.

We don't gatekeep votes.

Though I do think you've deflected conversation with me entirely for a low-weight question I posed. Not everyone solves the way you do. Whether this is AI, I'm still wondering.

You flapped your feathers in the wrong places, oh you, beautiful bird.

i'll flap all day everyday bb

or just hop

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

It wasn't RVS. BP was scummy in that he hated volume but he didn't vote anyone making the problem. EP agreed.

Immediately thereafter, he picks a fight with Chronos so he has an excuse to move his vote.

That makes me suspect partners.

any interest in discussing the suspects?

[Team STRQ]

mastina should I be alarmed that your first list looks more sane than usual ?

-Q

[Team STRQ]

VOTE: Adorable

Oh snap mastina caught u jigglypuff

wat u gonna do?

-Q

[Team STRQ]

what the fuck happened in here?

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

Chronos, your post 122 is very long, so I won't bother to quote.
I agree with your first half of the post. The points seem to flow logically and does seem to be a simple misunderstanding in regards to you thinking that STRQ was
saying that they TR you instead of me, and your follow up reactions all seem very genuine to me, so I'm going to wait for STRQ to reply.

However I am struggling to understand the second half of your post regarding Adorable, and the last part where you said "just blew my chance at getting them lynched."

I am town reading Adorable and I question the votes on her.

People will need more than this to get STRQ and mastina lynched if I'm right on them, and if they're scum, now they are a lot more weary about how they interact with each other, because up to this point, if they were scum, they were messing around and not giving much of a fuck.

oh this explains a lot

lol ok then

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

I read 122 and all I could think of was this video as a mental image of my interaction with

Chronos

76 - 78 - 87



If anything, I just wanted to see

Chronos'

POV on people's openers, I said nothing about her alignment or

mastina's

alignment.

I don't know how a question that was meant to just build conversation to help solve turned into 6+ paragraphs on why I'm W/W with someone my other head townreads, and that my posts have all been useless in trying to understand her alignment.

Motivation killed. Nothing about the assessments in 122 can be defended against as I've already said my piece. I'm done engaging on this.

I assume Tai is part of the hydra since I see no such player? I see a lot of references to Tai later. This kinda just makes things confusing. Could we put (STRQ) after one of the hydra heads when referencing them individually?

It's literally in our signatures minus my post to

titus

last night because I forgot...

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

daymasonize: alimdia

-Q

[Team STRQ]

Chronos, your post 122 is very long, so I won't bother to quote.
I agree with your first half of the post. The points seem to flow logically and does seem to be a simple misunderstanding in regards to you thinking that STRQ was
saying that they TR you instead of me, and your follow up reactions all seem very genuine to me, so I'm going to wait for STRQ to reply.

However I am struggling to understand the second half of your post regarding Adorable, and the last part where you said "just blew my chance at getting them lynched."

Chronos, your post 122 is very long, so I won't bother to quote.
I agree with your first half of the post. The points seem to flow logically and does seem to be a simple misunderstanding in regards to you thinking that STRQ was
saying that they TR you instead of me, and your follow up reactions all seem very genuine to me, so I'm going to wait for STRQ to reply.

However I am struggling to understand the second half of your post regarding Adorable, and the last part where you said "just blew my chance at getting them lynched."

I am town reading Adorable and I question the votes on her.

People will need more than this to get STRQ and mastina lynched if I'm right on them, and if they're scum, now they are a lot more weary about how they interact with each other, because up to this point, if they were scum, they were messing around and not giving much of a fuck.

Chronos

has no rational justification for giving 2 strong preflip associative scumreads before post 150, so that's why she's saying both of

this hydra/Mastina

are scum because she can hop between two lynch candidates without explaining herself on the individual scumread.

That's the only way I can understand

Chronos

unless she's town and genuinely dislikes everything about my posting and is hammering the fuck out of me. I've never encountered a player quite like this.

So I'm solving her at a distance, and want to look at

Adorable/Alimidia/Eyestott

next... when I find time since I have a lab report, a scientific article review to do, as well as read several other scientific articles for my Genetics undergrad classes...

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

You didn't read my posts either. I made so assumption of your alignment and my posting had no intent of making you look shady. I wanted to open dialogue about other players.

You shut it down, and you continue to misrepresent and ignore my replies.

Leave me alone.

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

Chronos, you've grossly misunderstood and it's really not worth anyone's time to attempt to maintain communications with you until you re-evaluate.

Titus, how serious were you in your first two posts this game?

There are several slots vying for attention right now and I don't particularly like it. I do think our vote is in a good spot right now, however.

-Raven

[Team STRQ]

Mastina, can you join me on BP? I think you're wrong on Adorable but right on EP and BP.

Sorry, Titus, but I'm not budging from Adorable.
Have you played with Adorable?

I have, and never before in my career have I so strongly felt that the contrast between the Adorable I'm seeing now and the Adorable I saw before is due to a different alignment. Adorable this game is oozing obvscum, not to mention, radiating an entirely different aura than when I played with her before, where she was obvtown pretty much immediately.

If this is wrong or I die, you'll sheep me on EP/BP? I feel the same way about them on those two and they are in the bottom of your reads list. I don't have a strong feeling on Adorable but I'd rather not fight.

I feel even stronger based on EP's why me fry me fight/response to Chronos and trying to say there's not enough to support my partners read. The hydra getting all omgusy defensive of those two really doesn't sit well with me either.

I could go to the hydra but I'd rather work with you than against you.

I'm really not following your process here. Granted, I skimmed my partner's posts, but what partner do you have?

I'm almost certain the hydra is currently scumreading EP/Yume and we have been since before Yume decided to try and flip on us. (Granted, only slightly before, but trying to excuse her unvote and dissonance on EP would take an act of Plato.)

[Team STRQ]

I no longer think EP’s scum, I tried to gauge out reactions as much as I could.

I do have some other scum reads though that I plan to keep for myself and will probably lurk for quite a bit and observe from afar.

Here, for example:

Is she trying to say that she never actually scum read EP and was just reaction testing, or that she has scum read EP the entire time and now no longer scum reads him? The first line implies both, and the timing of her unvote implies scum. Distancing seems the most likely in this instance, to be honest.

While I can understand you trying to town read her for several reasons that I've explained to the other members in the chat, the point brought up above maintains her at

most

slightly above null for me.

-Raven.

[Team STRQ]

I'm really not following your process here. Granted, I skimmed my partner's posts, but what partner do you have?

My partners read = My read on EP and BP being partners.

I see...

BP hasn't done anything but make a singular joke post, and I assumed until now your reaction to him was also a joke, am I wrong in that?

-Raven

[Team STRQ]

Titus, how serious were you in your first two posts this game?

Very. RVS ended early for me.

I assume you merely think he's lurking, and his single vote was a distancing one?

While this is a reasonable process, it seems a bit strange to be pushing lurkers right now when there are players committed to convincing you they're scum in the game. I just think the former should be more of a null read in contrast to the latter. Do you disagree?

[Team STRQ]

Titus, how serious were you in your first two posts this game?

Very. RVS ended early for me.

I assume you merely think he's lurking, and his single vote was a distancing one?

While this is a reasonable process, it seems a bit strange to be pushing lurkers right now when there are players committed to convincing you they're scum in the game. I just think the former should be more of a null read in contrast to the latter. Do you disagree?

Wait no... you think Chronos is town. How are you seeing EP and BP as connected really at all?

How do you have a read on BP past lurking? His post seemed to be pretty obviously a joke.

[Team STRQ]

That's the only way I can understand

Chronos

unless she's town and genuinely dislikes everything about my posting and is hammering the fuck out of me. I've never encountered a player quite like this.

I swear to you, kid you not, that Chronos legit just gives off the quintessential Yume vibes because the things you're describing from Chronos are things that aren't out of place from Yume. Doesn't matter if Chronos is a different person from Yume, they give off the same sort of vibe to me, swear to god, if you approach the slot like it were Yume then even though Chronos probably isn't Yume that approach is still going to be a net positive because of the similarities.

TSE does something similar to a smaller degree. One of the plus sides is that he's easier to just ignore.

If this is wrong or I die, you'll sheep me on EP/BP? I feel the same way about them on those two and they are in the bottom of your reads list.

I mean, they're in my scumread pile, so like...obviously, yes.

I would vote EP/BP in a heartbeat and it wouldn't surprise me to see that the scumteam this game has 2-3 newbs in it and that they're more or less running with their heads cut off due to lacking an IC to teach them.

"Running around with their heads cut off" is certainly what's happening with a few players this game, regardless of alignment.

[Team STRQ]

@Titus, I also don't understand how you scum read EP but not Yume.

-Raven

[Team STRQ]

sounds like my team has things well in hand

I'll be back when my head is screwed back on straight

ty

(or maybe I'll be posting entirely in the discord if I feel particularly spicy)

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

mastina talk to me about why Chronos is town and EP is scum.

[Team STRQ]

mastina talk to me about why Chronos is town and EP is scum.

I agree that EP is scum.

I just don't understand how you can think EP is scum and think Yume is town.

-Raven

(specifically pertaining to the second slot's dissonance on the first).

[Team STRQ]

Titus

, you know me much better than to dismiss my posts as

"omgusy defensive"

.

And none of my posts have been directed to

EP

, so if you're speaking about another head, you should clarify. My heads are more confident there.

Also, I've already prompted an engagement with you and you didn't see. 109 I also want your justification on

Chronos

-town.

I don't follow

Mastina's

confidence so well but I've seen the same confidence come from either alignment (don't know enough to assess her meta here, so it's a general thought.) But it's really hard to fake a lot of her statements.

Can people talk to me about

Adorable

?

I'm having difficulty dissecting 112

Spoiler: Mastina/Eyestott Quotes

Why are you including the hydra in this?

Purely because until EspressoPatronum ruined it, we were the only three slots to have posted.

Speaking of,
VOTE: EspressoPatronum
For ruining the three-man posting townbloc on page one.

1)

This is not really a good vote reason to scum read someone. You scum read Espresso for doing an rvs on page 1 while you were interacting with eyestott and Team on page 1? Isn't page 1 normally supposed to be rvs?

Spoiler: mastina quote

I have no idea who that is, but rest assured, if it was someone you didn’t like, they’re not in the game.

Eh, I'm probably one of the few who didn't inherently dislike Yume.

Mastina, what do you think of the post I quoted? On EP.

Well I voted Espresso.

I'm not convinced Espresso is scum, but Espresso certainly isn't locktown.

2)

You say you're not convinced Espresso is scum but you still leave your vote on him? If you were not convinced a player is scum then wouldn't it make more sense to not vote the player if you're not convinced they are scum?

VOTE: mastina

I'm pretty much just trying to get the feel of the game understanding on what's going on right now.

1)

Page 1 isn't exclusively RVS? Tbh, I do what I can to get out of RVS and don't look back. RVS is defined by whenever reads are formed in the game in my mind.

2)

And why is it a problem for someone to vote outside of having a 100% confident scumread on them? Can't votes be a center-point to resolve or sort reads around?

First, you have a problem with

mastina

voting a read that's serious/scumread so early.
Second, you have a problem with

mastina

voting when she's not convinced of her read/vote being serious/scumread.

These two issues you find with

Mastina's

posts conflict, and they're hardly clear by themselves.

I see why

eyestott/one of my head's Qrow/mastina

voted you.

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

Yume's interactions with EP are so cliche that there's a word for it in Japanese anime, commonly used for girls who have a crush on guys they refuse to admit to.

She also seems to take her nervousness and play it off by unleashing it in a completely different (and OMGUS-y, from her perspective) direction.

-Raven.

[Team STRQ]

I'm really not following your process here. Granted, I skimmed my partner's posts, but what partner do you have?

My partners read = My read on EP and BP being partners.

I see...

BP hasn't done anything but make a singular joke post, and I assumed until now your reaction to him was also a joke, am I wrong in that?

-Raven

Most people don't complain about game speed as a joke.

I've seen it quite a bit

@Titus, I also don't understand how you scum read EP but not Yume.

-Raven

Yume didn't vote BP then not stick around and act like he never existed. I'm assuming Yume is Adorable here.

Sorry. Chronos.

[Team STRQ]

Honestly.
Gut that the Chronos-you spout is TvT. Chronos just doesn't seem to be scum and carries an aura of genuineness in the push, with an angle, strength, and energy that feels like it doesn't come from scum.

What about her dropping her scum read on EP while expressing two opposing reasons at a really awkward time and then turning around and blowing her misunderstanding of a post way the fuck out of the water and then using her frustration with that post to not respond to anything else in the game and to justify one of the shittiest scum reads in a while?

If you drop the garbage tone read on her and look at what she's actually done, it gets significantly harder to justify putting her above null.

[Team STRQ]

You scum read EP/Yume but you vote me instead and you didn't even explain your vote. Where's the logic in that? You keep switching your votes around and I also noticed you have been in every wagon. Are you scum reading Chronos for unvoting EP? Why is unvoting scummy?

There are four heads to this hydra, and considering you and several other players this game seem to be competing for who can be scummiest, your alarm at how many times our vote has moved is a bit silly, don't you think?

Faking ignorance as to why Chronos' unvote is scummy isn't going to get you very far.

-Raven

[Team STRQ]

Over here you're saying Chronos and EP were distancing and you scum read them for that? Earlier I saw Titus suspect BP and EP for suspecting them as svs and it looked like you voted Titus for saying that and then you say "Joining you when asked in rvs = s/s huh?" Was the scum read on her because the EP and BP did not look like distancing to you?

Joining you when asked in rvs = s/s huh?

I think you're trying to say we're scummy because Titus joined us on your wagon while we have scum read her?

The situation is drastically different from the one you seem to be trying to use against us, and you still seem to think anyone is taking most of this in good faith - while I'm definitely trying, I'm having difficulty seeing how this isn't just a really bad excuse for attempting to scum read us. Maybe I misunderstand what you're trying to say here?

[Team STRQ]

I'm aware that you're new to the game, but for a heads up, flinging shit in our general direction isn't typically a good way to get people to stop scum reading you or even to make other people scum read us.

- Raven

[Team STRQ]

From reading this are you saying Chronos scum reads both you and mastina thinking you are scum buddies and you scum read Chronos? The part when you said "That's the only way I can understand Chronos unless she's town and genuinely dislikes everything about my posting and is hammering the fuck out of me. I've never encountered a player quite like this." I interpreted that as if you were scum reading Chronos and then you started to think maybe she is genuinely town.

Gut that the Chronos-you spout is TvT. Chronos just doesn't seem to be scum and carries an aura of genuineness in the push, with an angle, strength, and energy that feels like it doesn't come from scum.

Yeah, I see why people think she's town for her being "genuine", but I can't mentally rationalize these statements coming from town:

Yume's interactions with EP are so cliche that there's a word for it in Japanese anime, commonly used for girls who have a crush on guys they refuse to admit to.

She also seems to take her nervousness and play it off by unleashing it in a completely different (and OMGUS-y, from her perspective) direction.

-Raven.

I'll probably need a whole ass strategy to take you guys out.

-

How about one of you explain the grossly misinterpretation that

I

have made. If it's so gross, then it must be painfully obvious what you wanted to ask me, right?

I've done nothing to misinterpret your points, stop acting like I did, or you're only going to get me more tunneled. Enlighten me, where have I blatantly misinterpreted your points and where DID YOU NOT misinterpret MINE?

I may have misinterpreted her, I never denied this, I don't even know what I misinterpreted about her.

She genuinely wants this hydra gone.
She is confusing my posts with the

Raven

head.
She pushes her stance arrogantly enough to not see how she misrepresents me.

At this point, I'm starting to not care about

Chronos'

alignment. My frustration to her posts is becoming anger and sadness.

For my sanity and the health of the game, I'll be letting my other 3 heads sort her until she finds a less abrasive mode of communicating with me.

This is not AtE from me. I can't communicate with her like this.

It's genuinely stressing me out beyond a level I can take in a mafia game, so I'm adjusting.

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

I'm aware that you're new to the game, but for a heads up, flinging shit in our general direction isn't typically a good way to get people to stop scum reading you or even to make other people scum read us.

- Raven

What do you guys think about this post? STRQ said I was flinging shit in their direction. Did I fling shit? I asked them some questions that needed more explanation.

No, I didn't. And I asked you a question first, please respond to that.

[Team STRQ]

@Adorable

I doubt anyone in this Hydra is inexperienced or incapable in a way that will allow your current strategy to result in our lunch. Additionally, you seem to think that you are in any way capable of pushing me in any serious way as town -- let me assure you that there are very few players on site who can manage that and only under the most unique of circumstances. I made an attempt to understand where you're coming from, it would make me happy if you responded with a similar effort.

-Raven

[Team STRQ]

@Titus, I also don't understand how you scum read EP but not Yume.

-Raven

Yume didn't vote BP then not stick around and act like he never existed. I'm assuming Yume is Adorable here.

I'm not Yume. Yume is a player I played with in Waifu.

You are not the player I'm calling Yume.

Mastina, can you join me on BP? I think you're wrong on Adorable but right on EP and BP.

Sorry, Titus, but I'm not budging from Adorable.
Have you played with Adorable?

I have, and never before in my career have I so strongly felt that the contrast between the Adorable I'm seeing now and the Adorable I saw before is due to a different alignment. Adorable this game is oozing obvscum, not to mention, radiating an entirely different aura than when I played with her before, where she was obvtown pretty much immediately.

If this is wrong or I die, you'll sheep me on EP/BP? I feel the same way about them on those two and they are in the bottom of your reads list. I don't have a strong feeling on Adorable but I'd rather not fight.

I feel even stronger based on EP's why me fry me fight/response to Chronos and trying to say there's not enough to support my partners read. The hydra getting all omgusy defensive of those two really doesn't sit well with me either.

I could go to the hydra but I'd rather work with you than against you.

I'm really not following your process here. Granted, I skimmed my partner's posts, but what partner do you have?

I'm almost certain the hydra is currently scumreading EP/Yume and we have been since before Yume decided to try and flip on us. (Granted, only slightly before, but trying to excuse her unvote and dissonance on EP would take an act of Plato.)

You scum read EP/Yume but you vote me instead and you didn't even explain your vote. Where's the logic in that? You keep switching your votes around and I also noticed you have been in every wagon. Are you scum reading Chronos for unvoting EP? Why is unvoting scummy?

Not me, per say, but I will try and explain the actions of the other head.

Yume and EP are both still scum, but your response to mastina was also very scummy and the way you made it gave your wagon traction in the way neither of the other two players did. Our vote needed no explanation, one need only read the post you made prior. Sitting on a single vote all game is typically bad town play for a whole slew of reasons. Our vote has changed multiple times because several players in this game have made rather scummy posts and there are four heads in this hydra and none of us clear it with any of the other members before we vote unless there are extenuating circumstances.

I've explained why Chronos' unvote was scummy on this page, but to be quite honest I really shouldn't have to, and you implying that it's merely the fact that she unvoted seems to be an intentional feign at ignorance, which doesn't make your slot look much better.

I tried to understand where you're coming from in this post:

Over here you're saying Chronos and EP were distancing and you scum read them for that? Earlier I saw Titus suspect BP and EP for suspecting them as svs and it looked like you voted Titus for saying that and then you say "Joining you when asked in rvs = s/s huh?" Was the scum read on her because the EP and BP did not look like distancing to you?

Joining you when asked in rvs = s/s huh?

I think you're trying to say we're scummy because Titus joined us on your wagon while we have scum read her?

The situation is drastically different from the one you seem to be trying to use against us, and you still seem to think anyone is taking most of this in good faith - while I'm definitely trying, I'm having difficulty seeing how this isn't just a really bad excuse for attempting to scum read us. Maybe I misunderstand what you're trying to say here?

But every question you've asked of the hydra has been responded to in previous posts.

You scum read EP/Yume but you vote me instead and you didn't even explain your vote. Where's the logic in that? You keep switching your votes around and I also noticed you have been in every wagon. Are you scum reading Chronos for unvoting EP? Why is unvoting scummy?

There are four heads to this hydra, and considering you and several other players this game seem to be competing for who can be scummiest, your alarm at how many times our vote has moved is a bit silly, don't you think?

Faking ignorance as to why Chronos' unvote is scummy isn't going to get you very far.

-Raven

I'm aware that you're new to the game, but for a heads up, flinging shit in our general direction isn't typically a good way to get people to stop scum reading you or even to make other people scum read us.

- Raven

How you managed to miss all of these and again take out of context 187 which is the post

directly following

the ones in question is beyond me -- it's more than a little baffling that you would have such a remarkably selective memory.

[Team STRQ]

Stop playing stupid. This doesn't end well for you. Losing the game sucks, but losing the game after trading blows with another player sucks more. The path your walking down is not good play as scum or town. If you're the former, optimal play is to go silent until the whole situation washes over and another player does something worse and draws attention to them (even if your scum team has been caught, town still manages to screw it up, you just have to have patience) and if you're town the best move here is to try and get out of the dog house by working with us. Pressing us right now just continues to give you bad attention, and if you're scum, you don't want bad attention in a time like this.

[Team STRQ]

-Raven

[Team STRQ]

Now explain to me why my post here is scummy? Mastina's vote on Espresso was for ruining the three man posting town block. I just finished a micro game where scum were forming early town block and this reminded me of that game where town were getting mislynched for not being in the town block. Next on page 5 Mastina says she is not convinced Espresso is scum but is certainly isn't locktown. Since Mastina said she is not convinced Espresso is scum, then why did she still put Espresso on the bottom of her read which looked like the scum list if she is not convinced he is scum? Shouldn't he be on the null middle read for saying she is not convinced he is scum?

Not convinced he's scum just means she isn't 100% on him.

I do see your point somewhat in that mastina's diction feels a bit fence-sitty, but at worst it's word choice, at best it's indicative of scum. Your post seemed a bit too reactive for such a small (conservatively) tell. Conversely, trying to push a case hard is a relatively solid way to look town, especially if you've managed to pull off a case on one of the players that looks to be building a town block. As scum, you've either managed to be ignored as someone locked into a tunnel (and thus treated as town for the rest of the foreseeable game, guaranteeing yourself a slot in LyLo, or you've built a case that prevents a town block. Likely the former, but what do you have to lose from shooting your shot as a newer scum player that needs to rely on larger plays to get by?

[Team STRQ]

-Raven

[Team STRQ]

I messed up on the quote on the middle and it's in grey instead of it being spaced. Votes do need explanation so that way players can understand what the scum read is. STRQ switching his votes around looked like as if he knew the players acting scummy are town.

I can already tell this game is going to be a migraine

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

Which slots have next to nothing out yet?

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

Oh baby this wagon is S P I C Y

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

Can someone town tell pls so I can get into the game properly

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

Perfect!!!!!

Titus is now my shepherd

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

...wait

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

Remind my head why ep is scum?

-q

[Team STRQ]

We're fine being invest'd n1

-Q

[Team STRQ]

I just gave reads on 5 other players, so no, I am not tunneling.

That's not how that works.

Small favour to ask of the Raven head before it becomes an issue. Can you pay more attention to your tone?

Adorable's alignment and/or play is not an excuse to treat her poorly.

Adorable has already failed to interpret several of our posts in their intended light despite my best efforts to avoid such a situation. Any resulting agony is the result of her own representation.

-Raven

[Team STRQ]

I completely agree with the first half of this.

How?

Egix's post is very obviously not commenting on Chronos' post in the slightest
Your opening post was remarkably self-conscious, and Egix pointed that out. There's nothing scummy about that.
Chronos' content regarding Egix is almost as misrepresentative as her content regarding us. She maintains a constant worried awareness of her actions, which seem to be oriented towards not looking like she is what she feels like she is.

-Raven

[Team STRQ]

Like pretty much nothing Chronos tried to say about Egix was true unless you took the most conservatively scummy point of view and assumed that everything he did came from scum, which is a tactic that any player can (and should) use as scum, and often loses town games in LyLo as town players doubt their strongest town read despite their town-oriented actions because "scum can and will do anything."

-Raven

[Team STRQ]

Egix's post is very obviously not targeting Chronos' post for attention

Edited for better phrasing to prevent further misunderstanding

-Raven

[Team STRQ]

Then your best efforts haven't been good enough + you need to try harder. If people have to plead with you to treat others respectfully in a social game, you're doing something wrong.

That's not how this works at all. If you take offense to my actions despite my best intent, your pain is your own doing. There are players in this game who refuse to read the hydra as four separate people, and that's not under our control, that's under theirs. Adorable has refused to read or approach my posts made in good faith and has specifically approached others with a mindset that will result in a derogatory interpretation. I cannot change that or fix it, nor can I make her read and respond to the posts that I've made attempting to clarify the situation.

-Raven

[Team STRQ]

Chronos

, you don't have to shit on my character to get me to answer your question. 200

I can't tell what your asking me through your walls of saying I'm acting morally superior when in reality I genuinely feel attacked by you.

Just ask the question. If your next reply to this head isn't simply:

"Question" - the end

I'm not replying. You can tunnel this slot until you gamethrow, I don't give a fuck.

I don't care if you think nobody will ever want to work with this head, I'm capable of gamesolving until I get a feel of this game without answering to you.

I planned to post about other things but I'll probably do it tomorrow when I'm not so busy with classwork.

Please give me space. This approach is not accomplishing anything with this head right now. If you're town, I want you to respect that, as I will respect that you need an answer from me to sort me and I will give one to you.

@Mod, do not worry about this post. I am an adult and I am speaking my truth, just let me know if I ever cross a boundary.

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

well, that felt cathartic.

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

This head thinks

Egix

is town, I think

Raven

head feels similar but for different reasoning.

Not vibing with your vote

EP

, what reasoning from

Chronos

resonated from you and any reasoning of your own?

Titus

, please acknowledge my existence, I've had a few posts directed to you.

<3

Also, I have 0 clue how you got a preflip associative on 2 people when

BP

- part of your team - has only posted once and hasn't had interaction with more than maybe 1-2 people?

Adorable

, why is this head voting multiple people scum-indicative? If you think we've all voted town at this point, look at our votes so far and tell us why you believe our vote is on town.

Eyestott

, I agree with the assessment that you've been present but not doing much at all. Why isn't this suspicious of you?

mastina

it's OK for you to pocket me, I got 3 heads to clock me in the face if I go overboard.

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

The hydra's posts at best are an incomprehensible mess.

Nice! I think this might be the closest you've ever gotten to a day 1 townread on me Titus :3

-Q

[Team STRQ]

Adorable

, why is this head voting multiple people scum-indicative? If you think we've all voted town at this point, look at our votes so far and tell us why you believe our vote is on town.

I didn't like your vote on Chronos and on me because they lacked reasoning. I did not like how mastina did an omgus vote on me and you sheeped her on the omgus which looked off. The players you have voted so far I haven't gotten any scum vibes from them.

Our vote on Chronos had solid reasoning. We've explained the reasons for it before. As far as I'm aware, mastina's vote on you was very much based on the reasoning I mentioned in my previous post about why your response to her was remarkably scummy in addition to her stated reason for voting you when she posted it.
You, on the other hand, hold several other players this game to a standard you don't hold yourself to and seem to be using this to push an advantage as scum.
Your vote on us this game was remarkably opportunistic and OMGUS-y.
Your memory this game has been ridiculously selective and you've managed to completely miss many posts this game that completely counter the points you're trying to make, and you seem to intend to maintain a facade of naivete so that other players will defend your hurt feelings. You seem to use the empathy other players appear to feel for you to your advantage to avoid getting pushed for your garbage play as scum.
You have repeatedly taken posts out of context and ignored other posts while asking questions like the ones above this one where you make an untrue implication and follow it up with statements (in the same paragraph) that are hardly related to the source material in attempts to make it appear like you have some form of argument when it is clear you do not. You seem to do this to take advantage of the fact that most players this game seem to be basing reads on their feelings, their guts, and their ability (or lack thereof) to skim.
There is no recognizable progression in your cognitive process, you often hide behind the fact that "you've asked questions," but most of these appear to be rhetorical in nature -- you're putting question marks on statements to appear as if you're not in the informed minority.
You have far too high a post count to have added nothing to the game other than your "hurt feelings" which you seem to be feigning to refute any attempt to actually communicate or approach you.
You have yet to provide any solid reasoning for any of your reads
Your two votes have been on two of the more competent town players this game by your own account, which makes them far less risky as far as associative tells - clearing someone you don't intend to or implicating someone you don't intend to - which is something I'd expect from newb scum
I see very little reason to town read you and I can't even attempt to try and take your stance to see where you're coming from as town, because you seem to intentionally fail to provide any relatable stance in the thread to begin with.
You seem to have a remarkable amount of confidence and I'd like you to realize that you're on pretty thin ice right now. If for some reason I'm wrong on you (and I very highly doubt this), I recommend attempting to approach the thread in a significantly more transparent manner, because as things are shaping up at the moment, you will be the end of day lynch.

Eyestott, I agree with the assessment that you've been present but not doing much at all. Why isn't this suspicious of you?

I promise, all will be answered before the end of the day, so do please bear with me. I have a plan. Do you think you have any idea what I'm trying to do, Tai (or anyone in STRQ, or really anyone in general)? This is a very important question to me. If you do, don't actually say, please. Just need some confirmation.
In the meantime, here is my favourite vine
Reads coming soon.

I'm town reading you.

-Raven.

[Team STRQ]

I will tell you a little bit more about me. When you vote someone you need to put the explanation together with the vote.

No. I don't. Neither does anyone else.

If you don't do this and put it on another post then it will be very easy for me to miss it.

Recommend reading the entire game. This isn't an excuse in the slightest, and only serves to further my argument by cementing your agreement that you only respond to select materials, whatever suits you the best.

mastina's vote on me was just based on me which looked like I am not playing like my town meta thinking I am newb scum and this is a really bad reason to scum read someone since everyone approaches games differently and you can't expect a town player to play the same in another game they play as town.

This is a somewhat fair point, although I will rebut that mastina has read multiple games of yours before, and there's a difference between "I've played with this person before, therefore I understand how they play as both alignments," and "I have read this person's games and attempted to understand where they come from, and I don't see this coming from them as town."

I voted mastina since I scum read her and then she did an omgus and voted me back.

The reasoning is debatable.

You said you gave the same reasoning as mastina when mastina's reasoning looked like I was not playing the same in my town games.

No. I said my reasoning was partially backed by that of mastina.

My scum hunting is very different and unique.

No, it isn't. Your "style" is in fact quite common among newer players and players who still don't fully understand what's happening or how the game works.

If I see a vote that I disagree with or a vote with no reasoning, then I will start to scum read that player

The part you're missing to reach a level of competence is to search for an answer to your questions instead of leaping to conclusions.

and my grammar is not good

This is irrelevant

since you say I look like as if I am maintaining the facade of naivete.

You are, and you've admitted to it earlier in this post.

Due to my lack of grammar I have been struggling on understanding some of your posts

Then say so.

and I have been responding to as many posts that were responding back to me.

No, you haven't. I even quoted my posts back to you and you again failed to respond to them, but the one that was favorable for you you just happened to quote, even though it was immediately beneath another post of mine that I have requested twice your response to.

You say that my two votes have been on the competitive town and how am I supposed to know everyone's alignment?

This furthers my evidence for your facade of naivete.

I am doing the best I can with my scum hunting and I am also known as a chaotic town player.

This is an excuse for bad play.

My chaotic town play is actually good for me because I sometimes manage to lure scum to vote me.

This is only good if you can pinpoint how and why it is happening. Since all you've managed to do is throw mafia terms at a wall and hope something sticks while you consistently vote for the player that makes you the most uncomfortable (whether it be due to the strength with which they are town read or the difficulty they give you going forward) I highly doubt there is any cognizance or intent to your "process."

You need to understand where I come from. You have been calling me newb scum and Egix literally exposed me by looking at my background saying I am not a new player. I am not a new player and I have been playing mafia for 2 years and I am from another mafia forum.

You come from nowhere different from anyone else on this site. Everyone here came from another site or from no experience whatsoever. I don't care how long you've been playing mafia, I've met players who've played for far longer than you and still played like newbscum and newbtown; both of which are expressions of competence, not time spent playing (though the two often correlate).

[Team STRQ]

Stop spouting excuses and play the game. This looks like a reads list, follow up questions to the ones you've already asked, responses to the questions legitimately asked to you, a re-read through of the game if necessary, and an intentional strategy going forward.

-Raven.

[Team STRQ]

I will say one more thing for the time being.

I am not saying the things I say about you with the intent of hurting you. You started talking about why the reasons presented are not reasons to scum read you in particular. That you have some certain approach I have not seen before. I assure you that I have. That your approach is very familiar to me. That you might think that I am scum reading people the same way most new players or players who do not actually understand yet seem to think that solid scum reads are attained - by repeatedly applying the long list of mafia lingo to a play style and when the appropriate words match the play of the player in question, the common understanding of the words are used to apply the alignment. This isn't the case. I am scum reading you (and my scum read on you is solid) because I can put myself in your shoes and when I do the most likely approach that is explained by actions such as yours is one of a nervous scum player. I make the comments about your style - dispute your description of your play - because what you've presented me with makes you more likely scum than town.

-Raven

[Team STRQ]

This 1v1 is over.

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

VOTE: eyestott

I have no opinion on you and don't remember anything you've said this game so far. Anything to say about that?

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

Think at this point at least 3/4 heads have had a loss of faith in the mod, have fun those of you still playing :3

<3 u mastina, we'll be in another soon I'm sure

-Q

[Team STRQ]

4/4. Have a good game y'all.

-R

[Team STRQ]

Good luck everybody and have a good game!

-Summer