Mini 2127 - Fairly Special [Game Over]

[alimdia]

@eyestott, are you Eibirn

VOTE: Adorable for being .... too adorable

[alimdia]

I was actually going to vote for the hydra, but I saw Ank's profile pic in there + didn't want her to think I have a vendetta against her from TM20.

I picked BSG bcz I don't know what it stands for.

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

I was actually going to vote for the hydra, but I saw Ank's profile pic in there + didn't want her to think I have a vendetta against her from TM20.

I picked BSG bcz I don't know what it stands for.

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

No way a civilian thinks that much about his entrance and an rvs vote yada yada yeeeeee

Not a fan of that entrance. VOTE: Chronos

It’s the towniest one I found in the “charisma” drawer, I’ll make sure to renew it with better ones

Honestly Chronos's reaction seemed quite towny and post 39-40 was clearly him making a joke on his own RVS vote?

[alimdia]

How is this on page 3 already?

VOTE: Cronos

I hate titans.

VOTE: BP

Hates the rate of the game, but doesn't vote the higher posters.

And 3 pages isn't even bad for a mini. ~50 posts in about 10 hours.

As an aside, much prefer this to 20 pages in 1 day but half of them are fluff, makes it really difficult to read.

UNVOTE:

Also not sure how to even handle Tai’s question. They obviously had no thought about it, why should I? And how does that help them read me? The fact that I haven’t reacted to a post about how someone ended in a game? It wasn’t even their very first post if I remember correctly.

VOTE: Chronos

I assume Tai is part of the hydra since I see no such player? I see a lot of references to Tai later. This kinda just makes things confusing. Could we put (STRQ) after one of the hydra heads when referencing them individually?

Egixx's vote feels the most sound out of all of them but I want to know if he's townreading any opener so far.

I did get town feels from this:

Not gonna lie--I never signed up for this game. I was assigned this game due to listmod error so was quite baffled when I received a role PM for a game that I never signed up for to play. But when I took a look at the game, I went, "...yaknow what, sure, why not?" and decided to stay in it.

Although that is with the presumption that the alignment of the role would have had any relevance in her decision.

Do you guys know if mastina prefers playing town or scum?

I have a random theory already, and I'm pretty sure Chronos is town. I just need to filter down to see which one is agency captured because I have four suspects.

What does agency captured means?

I'm scum hunting and you're going to have to elaborate on the scum read.

I agree on this. See this:

mastina should I be alarmed that your first list looks more sane than usual ?

I am entirely to blame for that--
I forgot to make one yesterday.

By having accidentally forgotten to make a first list yesterday, and delaying it by a day, I accidentally made it far, far saner than I would otherwise, because I accidentally got too much information.

Speaking of,
VOTE: Adorable.

I'm pretty sure that 112 is just scum.
Wouldn't surprise me if I'm on the right track elsewhere, but legit have Adorable as strongest scumread by FAR right now.

VOTE: Adorable

Oh snap mastina caught u jigglypuff

wat u gonna do?

-Q

Townbloc, activate!
VOTE: Adorable

Since my vote is already on Adorable, does that mean..... Townbloc, join!
Wait a second... UNVOTE:

[alimdia]

Chronos, your post 122 is very long, so I won't bother to quote.
I agree with your first half of the post. The points seem to flow logically and does seem to be a simple misunderstanding in regards to you thinking that STRQ was
saying that they TR you instead of me, and your follow up reactions all seem very genuine to me, so I'm going to wait for STRQ to reply.

However I am struggling to understand the second half of your post regarding Adorable, and the last part where you said "just blew my chance at getting them lynched."

[alimdia]

Alimdia. What is your strongest read right now?

prob Chronos.

Now that I ISO'ed you, you're pinging me as scum. VOTE: eyestott

I'll ISO everyone else later to see if anyone else pings me too.

[alimdia]

I want to say that Adorable has been scum - with me actually.

Now getting to the rest of the posts...

[alimdia]

Alimdia. What is your strongest read right now?

prob Chronos.

Now that I ISO'ed you, you're pinging me as scum. VOTE: eyestott

This sequence feels... odd.
Alim, would you be willing to say what it was that pinged you about Eyes?

Ok have a quick look at Eyestott's ISO.

A bunch of fluff. Only really serious posts are
post 20 - Says not put hydra in 'townbloc' ... at post 20.....
Btw I hate people saying townblocks because its such a shit way to have random town reads without justification and I would vote anyone that brings that up D1
post 23 - 36 banter or fluff?
post 41 - 47 goes on chronos

tl:dr a lot of fluff, content doesn't lead anywhere.
says 'townblock activate' on adorable
unvotes adorable after I unvote adorable

--- this is where I ISO'ed him up to last night after he asked me ---

[alimdia]

Do you guys know if mastina prefers playing town or scum?

It is incredibly public record that the answer's town. It's on my wiki, it's stated numerous times in MD, it's in all of my scumgames, it's in team mafia where I outlined why I wanted to be town, and in multiple towngames. Suffice to say, I despise being scum.

hm... if its such an incredibly public record, I don't know what to think about you 'publically' saying why you wanted to play this game.

Also, wtf is this?

mastina dances and howls in the moonlight.

[alimdia]

I know I promised to ISO everyone else, but there has been a lot of juicy content the last couple of pages to catch up on, so that will have to wait

[alimdia]

mastina talk to me about why Chronos is town and EP is scum.

mastina talk to me about why Chronos is town and EP is scum.

I agree that EP is scum.

I just don't understand how you can think EP is scum and think Yume is town.

-Raven

(specifically pertaining to the second slot's dissonance on the first).

I view all the heads as 1 singular and don't bother figuring out which one posted which post, Sorry. Reading this sequence is quite weird because I don't quite understand why EP is scum for you, and if so, why are you guys not pushing EP as well? Either way, the rest of your post later said you haven't really directed a post at EP much.

That BP vs EP conversation with Titus sounds like a TvT conversation, but I have been fooled by that before (namely Menaque)

My gut says Chronos vs STRQ TvT...

[alimdia]

mastina, does this make u reconsider now that u know its not adorable's first game

[alimdia]

Alimdia. What is your strongest read right now?

prob Chronos.

Now that I ISO'ed you, you're pinging me as scum. VOTE: eyestott

This sequence feels... odd.
Alim, would you be willing to say what it was that pinged you about Eyes?

Egix

, why does the sequence feel odd?

I just found it strange that Alim happened to start suspecting the same person who asked him to give a read.

Alimdia. What is your strongest read right now?

prob Chronos.

Now that I ISO'ed you, you're pinging me as scum. VOTE: eyestott

This sequence feels... odd.
Alim, would you be willing to say what it was that pinged you about Eyes?

Ok have a quick look at Eyestott's ISO.

A bunch of fluff. Only really serious posts are
post 20 - Says not put hydra in 'townbloc' ... at post 20.....
Btw I hate people saying townblocks because its such a shit way to have random town reads without justification and I would vote anyone that brings that up D1

(1) post 23 - 36 banter or fluff?

post 41 - 47 goes on chronos

tl:dr a lot of fluff, content doesn't lead anywhere.

(2) says 'townblock activate' on adorable
unvotes adorable after I unvote adorable

--- this is where I ISO'ed him up to last night after he asked me ---

I see what you mean with (2), but I think that, that early in the game, I can't really fault someone for making smalltalk if it helps them to engage with the game.

Okay but what do

you

think? Is eyestott scummy or not. Why does him asking me about my reads mean I can't say he is scummy after reading his ISO?

What does it mean 'find it strange'. Are you just throwing shade at me on the side?

So far you have decided to just sit on a fence and poke little questions at people, but I want to know what your plan is.

Like another example is this. You point this out but whats the conclusion here. Seems like you are soft discrediting Chronos's defence on Adora without committing.

Also, regarding Adorable, I think that their intro post makes a lot of sense and it is vote worthy (on mastina), so mastina and strq jumping the gun on them when they should know what a newbtown looks like is concerning. These two slots have done nothing but looking for mislynch bait today, yet alone sort someone.

I actually did a little digging (i.e. ego-search) on Adorable upon seeing this and found that her first game was a Newbie from July 2019, and she has played in some other games since then as well. Doesn't seem like the whole 'newbtown' thing applies here iyam. The thing is though, the initial impression that I had was that she was an alt.

==

Tell me your reads on the following people, who have by far taken over the game (in terms of attention)
Adorable
STRQ
Chronos

[alimdia]

At least you don't have 80% fluff posts like eyestott

[alimdia]

daymasonize: alimdia

-Q

I haven't got a PM so you must be scum!

Mastina, can you join me on BP? I think you're wrong on Adorable but right on EP and BP.

Sorry, Titus, but I'm not budging from Adorable.
Have you played with Adorable?

I have, and never before in my career have I so strongly felt that the contrast between the Adorable I'm seeing now and the Adorable I saw before is due to a different alignment. Adorable this game is oozing obvscum, not to mention, radiating an entirely different aura than when I played with her before, where she was obvtown pretty much immediately.

If this is wrong or I die, you'll sheep me on EP/BP? I feel the same way about them on those two and they are in the bottom of your reads list. I don't have a strong feeling on Adorable but I'd rather not fight.

I feel even stronger based on EP's why me fry me fight/response to Chronos and trying to say there's not enough to support my partners read. The hydra getting all omgusy defensive of those two really doesn't sit well with me either.

I could go to the hydra but I'd rather work with you than against you.

Your first few posts are basically you kind of 'tunneling' about BP and EP team, and the reasoning seems reallllly flimsy.

And then you goes to this:

VOTE: Adorable

Soon you'll come to the grey side. We have half cookies.

Saving this here so its in my ISO for future reference tbh

[alimdia]

I reckon if Adora is scum, it is unlikely for Egix and STRQ to be their partner.

But it could actually be Titus.

Eyescott is just independently scummy by themself.

Er Chronos your reasoning for Adorable being 'not wolf' is kinda off. Since it seems like its based off WIFOMing (kinda)
I 100% agree on your stuff about Egix and EyeScott thoug, its like you took the words out of my mouth in regards to the Egix paragraph, but I do want to await his reply to my questions.
I'm aware that thats also the reason why you are slightly town reading me, but yeah...

@chronos @STRQ can you guys stop warring and ...
In particular, @STRQ, what do you think about Eyescott and Egix?

[alimdia]

Actually STRQ, do you reckon Titus could be scum too? The way they were talking to you regarding the 'negotiation' about doing BP/EP really reminds me of Mena casually being scum.

[alimdia]

Could we have a votecount

God

Mod?

[alimdia]

Adorable does look a bit frailing, and her defence has a bit of WIFOM in there, but there is quite a bit of scummy people on her wagon at this point.

[alimdia]

Remind my head why ep is scum?

-q

You should ask your hydra partner Raven as well - post 157

Egix / STRQ / eyestott / mastina

Good slots to look into.

Why mastina?

Liking alimdia's content on p9. Town read there.

thnx, sheep me.
Oh wait, you already did

Adorable does look a bit frailing, and her defence has a bit of WIFOM in there, but there is quite a bit of scummy people on her wagon at this point.

Do tell.

VC 1.5

Team STRQ (4) - Rabid Schnauzer, Chronos, Adorable, Titus
Adorable (3) - mastina, Team STRQ, eyestott

_{(titus switched off just prior to this vc)}

...Because to me the wagon looking suspicious would be the one on Team STRQ.

I assume you mean the scummy people on wagon part? Because the wifom part should be pretty easy to see.
The people that was scummy yesterday was eyestott and Titus. I don't have a solid read on you because your post about the pre-in and what not seems really WIFOMing.
I understand that you didn't in etc, but you saying that seems to be saying that 'Hey look I'm town because of [non-game related reason]

I'd rather have an eyescott wagon going, but Egix wagon is good too
VOTE: Egix

[alimdia]

Er Chronos your reasoning for Adorable being 'not wolf' is kinda off. Since it seems like its based off WIFOMing (kinda)

Fair game, it's all anecdotal anyway. Can't really help you with that, I just wanted it to be out there.

There are certainly other slots more worthy of lynching based on their actual content right now, so I'd rather wait in case Adorable is actually town that wanted to make a spectacular entrance and push.

Ok, truth be told, I'm not that confident in my Adorable read and could be wrong, but I'd just not want them to die today so I have more time sorting them.

idk why but these sequence of posts kinda pings me

Hey look, I'm slightly throwing shade at my town read

Doesn't mean Adorable is off the hook though...

[alimdia]

Why should I not reveal what I think you are doing?

[alimdia]

Like pretty much nothing Chronos tried to say about Egix was true unless you took the most conservatively scummy point of view and assumed that everything he did came from scum, which is a tactic that any player can (and should) use as scum, and often loses town games in LyLo as town players doubt their strongest town read despite their town-oriented actions because "scum can and will do anything."

-Raven

What about what I said about Egix?

[alimdia]

Yes this wagon pls

VOTE: eyestott

As per his request, I will not mention the thing he told me not to mention, but I am voting him because of it.

[alimdia]

Okay, it looks like a proper wagon is developing on me before I could finish doing what I wanted to do. This is my fault; I was so focused on my strategy that I forgot to actually contribute to the game in the mean time.
Full outline coming soon as I’m about to go to the tip, but the tldr is that I am the Role Flavorer (well, Flavourer) and I’ve been seeding this information to specific people to see how they reacted. I didn’t think about how this plan would actually make me me come across scummy and that he information is skewed because of it.

That is.... not what I thought you were doing. But I don't see how this plan is alignment indicative at all?

Think at this point at least 3/4 heads have had a loss of faith in the mod, have fun those of you still playing :3

<3 u mastina, we'll be in another soon I'm sure

-Q

wut

[alimdia]

Ali, can you tell me what you thought I town read you for?

Oh, you said you'd fight against my lynch. I took that to mean a TR.

[alimdia]

Er Chronos your reasoning for Adorable being 'not wolf' is kinda off. Since it seems like its based off WIFOMing (kinda)

Fair game, it's all anecdotal anyway. Can't really help you with that, I just wanted it to be out there.

There are certainly other slots more worthy of lynching based on their actual content right now, so I'd rather wait in case Adorable is actually town that wanted to make a spectacular entrance and push.

Ok, truth be told, I'm not that confident in my Adorable read and could be wrong, but I'd just not want them to die today so I have more time sorting them.

idk why but these sequence of posts kinda pings me

Hey look, I'm slightly throwing shade at my town read

Doesn't mean Adorable is off the hook though...

If you're talking about this post though, not sure if you misunderstood but I was talking about

my own town read

, not yours

[alimdia]

I'm sure publically announcing your intent to get replacement is actually against the rules. Can someone more experienced confirm this?

Either way, can we get an eye wagon? His flavour claim doesn't explain anything

[alimdia]

V/LA 24 hours sorry guys

[alimdia]

Very quick catch up post

gobble I unvoted Adora cos it was my RVS vote, and I didnt want the wagon getting too big


@eyescott
letting people know you are role flavourer seems like a legit reason for your 'hints' - but how exactly does their reaction have to be for them to be scummy?
Like.. how you concluded anything from your role flavour hints to people?

Can someone explain to me why Alimdia is being so universally town read?

I don't think I am? From a quick skim I'm in some people's null piles.

[alimdia]

Will have better post after work, but also keen on seeing Adora's posts

[alimdia]

Why did you vote STRQ here when you had been saying EP/BP was scum this entire time and had been trying to get Mastina to vote BP/EP?

Because my scumcore is EP and BP. My other guesses were your slot and mastina. I'm much weaker there. If I can't get my core, I'd rather use my vote to scumhunt the edges.

Even though you said you wanted to work with Mastina?

Yes. Working with mastina, at least for a little while, helps me clarify my read on her and see how willing she actually is to push BP+EP and whether her Adorable tunnel is noise. If the Adorable tunnel is noise, then there's t v t noise or t v S noise. (I doubt it's S v S.)

What is your definition on tunneling here? At one point I think she was, but now she's given reads on other people.

[alimdia]

Gobble from 0 to 10, how much you enjoy playing scum and again from 0 to 10 how much effort do you usually put in your scum games?

Don't lie because I might find out if you do.

Last town game I played with him he definitely put way less effort in and way less posts

[alimdia]

things to note: (null)

STRQ vs Chronos became gobble TR'ing Chronos upon replacement.
BP- ulti lurky



slightly scummy:

Rabid Schnauzer wagons everywhere.

ADorable is too busy defending herself, maybe discuss something like the Titus - BP+EP read. Or the eyescott flavour. Or egix?

[alimdia]

Er lol I did not notice where you seeded my role to me, mainly cos I didn't understand my flavour reference to begin with.

I must admit, I also didn't read the first post where it said that there is a role flavourer in this game.

Does that mean the role flavourer only has role flavourer tho?

[alimdia]

@gobble

yeah on hindsight I should have stayed on for a little bit and see if anyone else was oppourtunistic.

[alimdia]

But I'm usually for removing rvs votes when real shit happens

[alimdia]

Brief summary on the EP+BP vs Titus issue. (quotes below)

I think the EP+BP grouping is kinda BS.
The BP case is semi legit if you literally only look at that one post, until you consider that BP only made 2 posts all game and is now being replaced.
Also the jumps in logic that Titus has was ??? BP didn't do an RVS vote, he just complained that there was high activity. btw, I complain about high fluff post games as well but don't vote those high posters(mastina can attest to that)
Then he says EP and BP are scum together because EP agreed, voted BP, and then changed his vote to other people.
Thinking you found 2 scum via making a mountain out of a molehill is really...

Now, I've got to go reread EP because he might be independently scummy for other reasons, but not because of that interaction mentioned above.
And also hope BP's replacement gives us stuff.

How is this on page 3 already?

VOTE: Cronos

I hate titans.

VOTE: BP

Hates the rate of the game, but doesn't vote the higher posters.

Scum Core: Die
- Titus
- Rabid Schnauzer
- Egix96
- EspressoPatronum

This scum core is another reason I don't trust you Gobbles.

Your scumcore is my two scumreads, me, and the one other guy voting EP. Your pool is about distancing from EP but shading those who want him dead.

Your interactions might as well be a neon sign of scum with EP and BP. I don't let people have their cake and eat it too.

Suji, can you help me get things going on scum? EP, BP or Gobbles?

Gobbledygook is Town. I think so more now than when I was just looking at Team STRQ.

Could you summarize why you so strongly believe that EspressoPatronum and BP are Mafia?

BP's vote was highly scum indicative. He complained about the pace of the game, which was slow. He also didn't vote anyone who was actively posting at the time. Those two together are basically a neon sign that BP just wants to lurk away. I highlighted this. EP agreed and we voted him. Then EP bails after picking a fight with obvtown Chronos.

I am rather annoyed at how often I have to repeat this.

Gobbles is distancing from the pair rather than scumhunting IMO.

[alimdia]

Gobble from 0 to 10, how much you enjoy playing scum and again from 0 to 10 how much effort do you usually put in your scum games?

Don't lie because I might find out if you do.

Last town game I played with him he definitely put way less effort in and way less posts

I switch up my general activity and posting style to prevent people from being able to get activity reads on me. The game in question was running concurrently with TM2020 Whiteflag where I was scum and purposefully lurked. That then lead to real life getting in the way so I lurked disproportionately across the site.

To answer the question if I like scum... well, I am curious, Churros, how would “might be able to find out” what my preference is?

I prefer playing town. I don’t like playing scum because it takes the detective/solvey part out of the game.
On a scale 1-10, probably a 6 for enjoyment in playing scum. On a scale 1-10, probably a 10 on the effort I put into playing scum. I put 10 into effort playing as town too.

Do you think effort can be easily seen through just posts in the main thread?

yes, cos it doesn't matter if you're sherlock holmes if you put no effort into convincing other people.

[alimdia]

aka is that the extent of your role.
Since you seem to be hinging on the reasoning that you must be town because your role is 'weak'

[alimdia]

How can I help by not reading today?

Nani?

How can I help by not reading today?

If you do a quick ISO of me, Titus, and Adorable, you'll have most of the information necessary for current events.

STRQ(now gobble) was a possibility earlier today, but STRQ had a ton of long posts. It'd be easier for you to just look at gobble's stuff for now.

I like this post

VOTE: Adorable

I feel better about this now that she has replaced out of the game.

Why did her replacing change your feeling about the vote?

I don’t have the moral guilt of voting for Adorable anymore.

Nani?

Hey Pisskop. Convince me you're not scum?

Hey Titus, you'll be pleased to know that you'll require absolutely zero convincing from me that pisskop is scum--and furthermore that there's literally only a few reasons keeping me from power-fucking-voting him (so consider my vote on him in spirit), those being,
1: Adorable's a stronger scumread,
2: I really want the Adorable lynch,
3: The Adorable wagon has momentum and I don't want to kill said momentum,
4: And is currently a much much larger wagon compared to the nonexistent votes on pisskop.

But like.

I get it now clear as day and agree with you.
pisskop here is absolutely just outright complete and total, scum.

So you think Titus is right about BP+EP or just BP (pisskop)?

[alimdia]

I'm kinda afraid of keeping my push on Titus here only for Adorable to flip scum. I'll give you that.

this is so..... I'm gonna leave this here for future reference

I do remember thinking that Titus’s comments on being able to do the Adorable wagon could be scum not wanting to commit to a scum buddy.

I think its a bit too early to look for conections before a flip, but I def think Titus is sus

[alimdia]

I'm still here but this day is lasting forever. Personally I can't do much until there's been some flips.

Either way, here are my thoughts post reading the game (which has been very hard to do because this site just stops working every 10 minutes).

If I get lynched today (and I'll flip town), I'm a little concerned at how many people seem to be scum-reading

Titus

, when she is ridiculously town. Read her first few posts guys. Titus chooses not to RVS, sees BP as real scum, and basically tunnels for the rest of the game. I don't think scum!Titus would do something like that. It's the direct opposite of blending in and isn't at all the kind of thing I would expect from scum.

Most obvious scum read is Rabid Schnauzer. I looked at their most recent completed game, Mini Normal 2122 (in which they were town), and their isos do not read anywhere near the same. I could make my case based on the naked votes (a newish scum player could think they are being smart by pulling the WIFOM obiously scum wouldn't be that lazy), the fact that the tone of their posts does not seem genuine at all (especially when compared to the other game), or the fact that they say "I haven't done a damn thing...Doubt you have a read on me" indicating that the inactivity to prevent a lynch is intentional. EVEN MORE SCUMMIER than that, is the obv!scum post #568. They want the day to end, but won't do anything to move it forward. This pushes the leading wagon (the one currently on me) forward, gives scum a mislynch, but when I flip town, they have to shoulder exactly none of the blame themselves.

The only path forward today is to VOTE: Rabid Schnauzer.

you know i've seen like so many town ppl like rabid who basically do nothing but are town.
I like how you basically say Titus's actions are anti town, but because of that he is town, but Rabid on the other hand, being anti town means he is scum. I'm fine with him being a deadline lynch but there are actual people that are sus and we get connections off the flip, town or scum.

Christ, I just got the oddest pm from the mod

Same...it's because there's a person who sets the flavor. Speaking of which, this is the same person that would have directed the mod to post that Mastina dances and howls under the full moon, trying to indicate that she's a wolf. Because the mod doesn't generate the text, its NAI. What it does tell us is that there's a scum player who is afraid of Mastina's ability to read them who decided to make it seem like she is scum. I'm assuming that the flavor player is scum, because there is no reason for a town player to send that message.

My flavor was something about Mudkip avatars, which is apparently a pokemon.

My questions for y'all.
1. Who on this player list has knowledge about pokemon?
2. Can you all please share the gist of your flavor messages, so we can try and figure out who is telling the mod what to say?
3. @Mastina, who on this list have you successfully scum hunted either recently or consistently?

VOTE: Rabid Schnauzer

I could also do Egix I think.

eyescot claimed flavourer. I'm not sure if the wolf message is from eyescott though? @Eyescott can you explain this?

3. @Mastina, who on this list have you successfully scum hunted either recently or consistently?

The Turkey slot, maaaaaaaybe Espresso (but I would say probably no to be honest), Titus, alimidia (admittedly small sample size butstill), traditionally-eyestott (but since he's been gone from the site for years, you can throw that out the window), Egix, Adorable (admittedly small sample size butstill), and pisskop. All of them I have had pretty good reads on.

Mastina what's your Titus read right now.

I meant to post a readslist yesterday but forgot to follow through on it--locktown of locktown tier now, up there with eyestott and Turkey.

This, purely off of one factor.

Titus's push on pisskop is not a bus.
pisskop is 100% completely and totally absolutely scum.

Ergo, Titus is town.

So you think Titus is right about BP+EP or just BP (pisskop)?

She's 100% right about BP/pisskop.

I currently don't think she's right about EP, but it's not like EP is locktown. EP is still very much, null, and in the (very, very small) poe pool (of four, maaaaaaaayyybe five, players). So she

could

be right about both. I don't think she is right now, but I also acknowledge there's a rather significant chance she could be.

The only path forward today is to VOTE: Rabid Schnauzer.

So I actually like momo's case on Rabid because I was already scumreading the slot and these are good reasons for Rabid to be scum.

I don't think it makes momo any more likely to be town, I think the most likely case is that momo is bussing a scumbuddy both because he sees his slot is in a bad spot, he sees his scumbuddy isn't being very town, and he thinks the bus will help, and because to my memory of momo (which is, admittedly, rusty) I remember him being incredibly bus-happy as scum.

But regardless of his alignment, I'll thank him for the good case on Rabid and regardless of his alignment I might actually sheep it. (Because if he's scum, he's probably bussing; if he's town, he's probably right.)

Basically, there's three slots I will vote today:
pisskop, Rabid, or momo.
The momo wagon looks like its momentum is fading, so that means we can afford to let momo live through today, which leaves pisskop or Rabid.

pisskop is the stronger scumread, but this has momentum:
VOTE: Rabid.

Momentum is BS. if you vote egix that has momentum too

VOTE: Rabid Doggy

egix

VOTE: Rabid

*watches mastina and EP closely*

egix

VOTE: Egix

[alimdia]

reading up

@alimdia (and mono): I am the ROLE flavorer. My abilities are only to do with your role name.

I don't know if this is because you forgot something or because of malicious intent, but this is a blatant lie. I know this because I didn't get flavor for my role name. I got a role PM as would be expected in any game. I received a flavor message the next day brought to my by the role flavorer. This could be mod error in waiting a day, or it could be that you are lying. Which is it?

I back eyescott up in that my role PM and flavour are separate PMs. But eyescott, you say theres a antitown flavour related person and you're spilling people's flavour hints evverywhere?

I still think Titus is the most likely scum slot here, but I don't think she is likely a EP partner. I wouldn't say it's impossible though, no one should completely clear her if EP is scum, but yeah I would give her some credit.

Titus scum read on EP seems forced no matter how I look at it, even if I do have to some degree a scum read on Espresso for the way he handled the adorable wagon. Titus hard scum read on him though came way before that and it lacks any kind of real progression or her weightning possibilities. It's just a mindless replay of "EP scum, EP scum, EP scum" with little to no reason even when I tried to interact with her.

/quote]

Mastina is scum. She's either lying that she's intimately familiar with me, or lying that this is my scum game.

FWIW I'm a 1X neighborizer. Since I'm town it's worthless per se, but I thought that I'd save it and at least be able to check if someone later claimed ascetic or hider or something.

Neighborizer sounds useless as both alignements

[alimdia]

Sorry guys I've been demotivated this week

[alimdia]

I’m a duplicater. After targeting me a persons action is doubled

ima visit you tonight bby

[alimdia]

Time is running out + I'd rather not risk a no-lynch.

VOTE: RS

zzz

I'm not motivated enough to effort a push on Egix, so I'll be down to hammer ~ ~

[alimdia]

Btw I wanna say I hate meta cases, esp cos I cbf reading the games you guys linked.

[alimdia]

EP if you are one shot and you target me tonight then the next night you have two shots

This doesn't make sense, wouldn't he have 1 shot because.. he used a shot?

[alimdia]

Egix could be too hmm. I’ll have to read Egix iso when the site isn’t lagging

Where was this before the last day of DL ~ ~

[alimdia]

VOTE: Rabid Schnauzer

[alimdia]

I will catch up tomorrow friends

[alimdia]

I had something I wanted to give her as she was my strongest town read.

Could you explain why you voted me at the start of the day since it was not due to a result you received?

Why are you claiming? or soft claiming

I don't want to vote Titus yet though, I'm considering who to vote in [Titus, Momo, Pisskop]

I think it would be best to hear from Eyestott re: his information before voting Titus. We know Titus' flavour now, so hopefully Eyestott can help give that some meaning.

Why momo?

@Suji - same to you. Why momo?

The question is, why don't you see why they did momo?

I would have liked that Egix wagon yesterday, but this NK strongly implicates mono

[alimdia]

I had something I wanted to give her as she was my strongest town read.

Could you explain why you voted me at the start of the day since it was not due to a result you received?

I've even less TRs with that nightkill.

I still SR Titus, and because of mastina kill I might also be looking in [Momo, Pisskop].

I do wonder the chances where this was a fearkill vs mastina was widely town read or another reason though.

First things first. I lied yesterday. I don't have a result. I am just a VT. If that gets me lynched today, so be it. I wasn't about to be flash lynched before the scumreads I thought I had caught.

Now, onto today's scumhunting.

Gobble, my meta is not bus happy at all as scum. I protect my "babies" as scum. Why are you putting forth that idea? Are you prepping for a world where you cannot lynch me but want to discredit my reads?

EP, fair question on the wagonomics. I'll do that when it's not 4 am.

A large reason of why RS was lynched was due to 'his meta', which is now shown to be wrong. I never understand why people use 'meta' in defence or in cases...

[alimdia]

A large reason of why RS was lynched was due to 'his meta', which is now shown to be wrong. I never understand why people use 'meta' in defence or in cases...

Did you intend for this comment to apply to the post of mine you quoted? If so, I'm not sure why.

Nah just the second post, the first got Q+'ed by mistake

[alimdia]

VOTE: Egix

[alimdia]

I will say that if anyone targeted me last night they also targeted Egix.
My role is not role duplicater. I am actually a beam splitter. I crumbed it in my first post with the Pink Floyd music video.

I claimed the role duplicater so people would have a reason to target me.

Luckily I thought you were a scum PGO or something so I said I'd target you but didn't.

Either way my motivation is so low right now, can we just lynch egix?

[alimdia]

VOTE: pisskop

Is anyone TRing him at all? He's coasting, doing nothing which is exactly what his prior slot did.

VOTE: pisskop

Is anyone TRing him at all? He's coasting, doing nothing which is exactly what his prior slot did.

I'm not TRing him, but I recall pisskop's scum game being more active. He was quite involved as scum in Mainstream Mafia II. I don't think I've played any other games with him though.

I'm more inclined to vote Egix today. I will consider going with you on pisskop tomorrow if I'm wrong on Egix.

If Chronos continues to coast, we should look at her more closely tomorrow.

HOw did pisskop become Chronos?

Also, everyones coasting man, incl me lol

[alimdia]

I'm here

Seen the above

Chronos is not really a town read anymore

because he didnt post or?

[alimdia]

momo acting scummy then soft claimed then replaced out then everyone unvoted

egix on the fence, fluff a lot, got some votes but not lynched.

whos pk?

[alimdia]

is it too late to out the neighourbood or was that already done alim?

theres a hood?

well guess it's out there now

alim's been really frustrated in there recently from reading through - i kinda feel bad for him honestly. what did you guys do?

It's not a hood, its a masonry smh.

Thnx for outing tho :v

[alimdia]

Does flipping piss give us any info tho? I think he's like an easy vote and doing egix would give us much more info

what made you some kind of masonry expert

^

did they have a lot of masonries back in 2013?

^

ml bait??? how dare you

i think you'll find i've only been mislynched in 70% of my games

I've only been mislynched in like one game so far. And I think I did like 10 games at least.
Most of the time I get NK'ed cos I'm so stonk.

[alimdia]

In conclusion eve is mislynch bait and I'm NK bait

[alimdia]

we were doin the strat where we wanted to get a 2 mason 1 scum LYLO endgame

BUT YOU RUINED IT EVE

[alimdia]

p.s. we were doin the strat where we wanted to get a 2 mason 1 scum LYLO endgame (and troll the shit out of the last scum)

[alimdia]

Whys your winrate higher than mine.

tbf mine is lower than 75% now I think, haven't updated it in ages

[alimdia]

do you think egix and pisskop could be partners or nah?

[alimdia]

Sorry I meant we are not masons, we are neighbours.
We are not confirmed town in any way.

[alimdia]

noooooooo my Bingle

at least i still have alimdia

VOTE: pisskop

The Egix chilled thing was me by the way. I thought he could be a designated mislynch today and did that.

I'm not sure this makes sense?
Is treestumper usually a town or scum role?

I didn't exactly know if the alignment would be reveled or not. I asked TL but he didn't exactly clarify it, but from my role text it assumed it more likely than not didn't.

I did that because I don't think Egix is scum at all and he could easily been a final mislynch in my pov. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, I'll take the blame post-game, but I'm confident on this.

Gamestate doesn't make lots of sense here with scum!Egix to me, in fact I'm not sure we've seriously wagon'ed scum yet at all.

Why is Egix not scum. Wiki says treestumped people can't be lynched....

Last night I received a letter in the mail. The message didn’t reveal who sent it, but they said that they’re a JOAT who investigated PK night 1 and got guilty.

Er.....

Lsat night I followed churros.

This seems awfully convienient.
Regarding some previous queries, I didn't go anywhere on Night 1. Also Eve, last night was just us two. You should know what I'm implying.

But given that there’s only 8 players now, we could be in MyLo
So the messenger could be a scum trying to force a mislynch
I think it’s more likely that he’s scum, and I’m itching for a red flip. I haven’t seen one in years and I want to sink my teeth into the flesh of scum ASAP

I-

[alimdia]

I'm contemplating something.
Depends on if Eve gets what I'm trying to say.

[alimdia]

ok cool alimdia

why would a scum mailman try to frame pisskop of all people when he was probably going to be the lynch anyway today?

I have no idea, but you get what I'm hinting at right? fuq it i'll just claim in the next post lmao.

It is like so incredibly obvious who the mailer is and this is exactly the type of play they do lol

It's not obvious to me.

I have a good idea about the identity of the other mason, but nothing is standing our wrt to the mailer.

Mason is pretty obv tbh, but dont' say it

[alimdia]

I'm gonna do a partial claim, and redact some stuff because I don't want to give other info away 'freely'

I am an mailman. I sent a mail to Eve last night. The contents of the mail shall remain secret for now, but it definitely is NOT 'I'm a JOAT and I got a guilty on pisskop N1', so that rules out me being redirected to eyescott.
I did not send a mail to anyone else last night. Therefore, I'm struggling to understand how eyescott got a mail last night.
I also did not send mail on N1, Eve should understand why.

The conclusion is that the mailman is either scum or eyescott is just bs'ing the whole thing up.

[alimdia]

Eve should be able to collaborate my partial claim.

[alimdia]

?? I just said it could be another scum mailman or eyescott bs'ing.
Why did u just vote eyescott

What I have to do later is to reread cos I have a good idea of who the mason could be. Then figure out who might be scum cos Egix can't be voted for.

[alimdia]

Titus, you know we can't lynch Egix right? He got treestumped.

I really can't tell if thats an anti town play or scum play

[alimdia]

In regards to the treestumping

[alimdia]

Ok. We lynch eyestott then you tomorrow, if he’s town?

How does eyestott's flip prove anything about pisskop?

[alimdia]

I really don’t like how gobble is trying to publicly solve Who JOAT/Mason are. Doesn’t seem like a pro town activity

This too...

[alimdia]

I think its Pk, Alim, Egix?

pedit:

EP, you theory is fine and all, but eyestott literally gave mastina a flavor that has mastina's name in it, which I think debunks your theory

VOTE: Pisskop

If this is town, eyestott was definitely setup. But the more I think about this game, I am thinking the guilty is real and its Alim + Egix

VOTE: Pisskop

If this is town, eyestott was definitely setup. But the more I think about this game, I am thinking the guilty is real and its Alim + Egix

Oh, if Pisskop is town, then the group is Titus/Egix/Alim.

EP, what is your read on Eyestott? I am really hedging my group on the fact that his play is too scummy to be scum and that he would have played his role differently, but I am curious to see your read.

pedit:

Why does that matter? No seems to have targeted me so my target is irrelevant.

Hang on a second.
SO you're saying if pk is scum, then I'm scum.
Then you say if pk is town, then I'm still scum.
So why aren't you voting me instead if I'm scum in both situations. Not to mention this doesn't even make sense. I claimed mailman as part of my ability and I sent mail to Eve last night, who confirmed it.

Unless you think eye is the third, why would scum fake a guilty on their own?

I think the third is in Eyestott/Egix/alim.

Who knows why scum would fake a guilty. I've seen crazier.

you realized I claimed mailman and I didn't send a mail to eyestott right?

[alimdia]

Is it a good time to mention that Eve is town?

[alimdia]

Hang on a second.
SO you're saying if pk is scum, then I'm scum.
Then you say if pk is town, then I'm still scum.
So why aren't you voting me instead if I'm scum in both situations. Not to mention this doesn't even make sense. I claimed mailman as part of my ability and I sent mail to Eve last night, who confirmed it.

You don’t have a claimed guilty on you.
Why does your mailman ability make you town? My pool isn’t based off who the mailman is. This makes me think you know PK is gonna flip town.

Nobody is confirming the claimed guilty though?

[alimdia]

Also about what I said about Eve being town, it could either be that there are 3 masons, or I somehow confirmed her, I aint sayin shet though

i can neither confirm or deny this gobbles but i will say that i am not a Jailkeeper

What jailkeeper?

[alimdia]

What can u do with the revealed flavour EP?

[alimdia]

It's amazing that you deduced that Egix is the 'JOAT' but he's not confirming it even though HE LITERALLY CANNOT BE LYNCHED TODAY.

holy shit

[alimdia]

Didn't I say I wasn't gonna answer that?

And I thought Eyescott knew mastina's flavor?

[alimdia]

I'm not in a hood with Eve

[alimdia]

How many times do we have to say we can't lynch Egix today Titus?

[alimdia]

What jailkeeper?

i replied in the hood

you mean the 3 way masonry chat?

I mean Egix is confirming those actions happened to those players so

I don't actually know for sure if those were the exact action types that were used - just that the players in question had been targeted.

wtf does this mean? Explain?

Who’s doing the teeth pulling, pk?

I agree with pk on this. This lynch feels important and people have information, but nobody wants to give enough information to help steer the lynch.

- Egix just now confirmed the TARGETS but not the actions claimed by eyestott + the letter
- Eyestott won't reveal the full contents of the letter to protect the identity of the JoaT
- The JoaT hasn't revealed
- alim is a mailman who hasn't said what he sent

There's more information that people are holding, but the above is/may be relevant to the lynch.

Whether or not the holding of information today has been the correct play, trying to get said information definitely feels like pulling teeth.

I said I didn't send a letter saying guilty. My receipent said they received my mail so...

Pretty much everyone has an assumed role now, thanks to gobble making those guesses

But alimdia should be able to confirm that I knew their flavour from the get go, as would Mastina if she were alive, and Gobble If he looks back at the first few posts directed at STRQ. (Gobbles flavour is a lyric from never gonna give you up, so I dropped references to other lyrics in my early convos with STRQ)

Er I never saw the post where you hinted at my flavor? CAn you qutoe again

[alimdia]

Also possible. Could be that one scum doesn't have a vote right now. *cough* Egix *cough*

Very good point. Its also very hard to do VCA because of this

The joat is only conftown if it claims. The mason is conftown regardless.

Why is JOAT conftown?

VOTE: Eyescott

[alimdia]

wut why would I claim mailman then?

[alimdia]

Eve talk moar in our chat plx

[alimdia]

wut why would I claim mailman then?

That's why I don't like you as I fake guilty person. You could just be getting ahead of it. Remind me who you sent mail to?

I sent it to Eve, who confirmed it

[alimdia]

Eve talk moar in our chat plx

sorry alim i'm writing up my reads in there now

tell me what you think before i post them to the thread

You guys are killing me, lol. Is the chat real or not??

If it is, why did you send mail to Eve, alim?

something something masoniser

[alimdia]

Sorry moving houses this weekend.

This all comes down to... are we voting pisskop off an unclaimed guilty?

[alimdia]

and everyone has plausible deniability if pisskop flips town.

like eyescotts gonna say he got the mail, and nobodys gonna take ownership of that mail

[alimdia]

The issue is that Egix has confirmed you were targeted on N1, and no one is claiming to have targeted you on N1. Unless it was Momo which seems unlikely, but that would also confirm Egix as town if true.

Why can egix confirm that?

[alimdia]

VOTE: eve

VOTE: Eve

Eve is either masons with me, which means she is town

or

I have other reasons to believe she is town, which means she is town

[alimdia]

Other than the JoAT, he was in the best position to know PK is guilty, yet he barely did anything yesterday.

That's because I still didn't know for a fact that he was scum (because of how limited my info is) and as I said before, I thought he was gonna be just another ML bait slot.

So if pkop being checked N1 by the mailman wasn't actually a thing, then I wonder why I still saw that he had been targeted by someone. Does him being given his flavour count towards that or something??

Can you explain how you saw that he had been targeted by someone.

[alimdia]

Eyescott full mail message?

[alimdia]

V excited for the full claim today.

That would just get conf townies killed. This isn't lylo right? so why massclaim?

This game is so so messy from the gambit lol

We can't be certain of the extent of the gambit and/or whether it was actually a gambit at all. I'm waiting until alimdia weighs in before jumping to conclusions.

Me weighing in on what? I already said enough yesterday.

[alimdia]

V excited for the full claim today.

That would just get conf townies killed. This isn't lylo right? so why massclaim?

Considering your most recent questions to Egix and eyestott, you're most of the way to wanting a mass claim, too. But to answer your question, I have two reasons to claim today.

1)

A Mech Solve

we have a proven duplicator (gobble), flavour revealer (me), and treestumper (Churros). We also likely have some sort of watcher (Egix), role flavourer (eyestott), an unclaimed mason, and an unknown role. There's probably a mech solve in there somewhere. Delaying the massclaim makes any potential solves harder to execute if they require us to confirm claimed actions. The downside to a claim is, as you said, that it puts our PRs at risk.

Gobble mentioned this earlier, but we really should be using his role to help solve. I don't know why Egix has 'watched' anyone else but gobble tbh. We can offset the dangers of a potential scum!gobble by leashing his role.

2)

Fake Claims

In addition to the mech solve potential, forcing scum to commit to fakeclaims can be useful. It gives them less wiggle room in the future. Looking back through pk's ISO, his tracker claim and supposed night actions were sus (specifically his Churros track), but we didn't scrutinize his claim well enough.

Even if everyone doesn't mass claim today, eyestott absolutely needs to fullclaim. Something doesn't add up with him, and I'd like to figure that out today.

This game is so so messy from the gambit lol

We can't be certain of the extent of the gambit and/or whether it was actually a gambit at all. I'm waiting until alimdia weighs in before jumping to conclusions.

Me weighing in on what? I already said enough yesterday.

You weighing in on whether the guilty was fake +/ how you knew Eve was town.

Genuine question - are you witholding information for the sake of it, or are you protecting information that is damaging to town if it gets out? If it's the former, you witholding the information may prevent us from comboing your role with another. If it's the latter, nothing I say will really matter because it'll be a judgment call for you.

we have a proven duplicator (gobble), flavour revealer (me), and treestumper (Churros). We also likely have some sort of watcher (Egix), role flavourer (eyestott), an unclaimed mason

Other than the mason, none of the above are confirmed town roles

It doesn't take prior nights into account.
So pkop was visited n1.

by who, I havent heard of a watcher like this before

[alimdia]

ill claim after work


did egix claim?

[alimdia]

My claim will def open a huge can of worms lol

[alimdia]

Before I full claim, I'd like Egix to go first.

[alimdia]

I will also say that I've never been so confused with ppl's shenanigans ever before in my life.

[alimdia]

So EP, is this all a major coincidence?

Why should I vote Egix over you?

I'll directly respond to your VCA in a moment, but here's why I'm not scum:

If I was scum, you would be dead

. I have two reasons in support of this:

1. I suspected you were the mason

When you look through my ISO, you'll see that 1) I was confident you were an important role, and 2) I knew you weren't the JOAT. I did everything I could to tell you I thought you were the mason without actually saying it bcz you were adamant that the mason should stay hidden. When someone asked about Eve claiming mason, you'll see that I corrected them by saying gobble guessed Eve was mason and Eve didn't deny it. My defence of the JOAT staying hidden was bcz I thought Eve

2. You've been tunneling me literally all game

You have been unrelenting from day 1. I don't like 1v1s + I prefer to use teamwork to win. Your tunneling on me this game has been so annoying that even if I didn't think you were the mason, I'd have killed you way earlier.


As to why you should vote Egix, he's playing a reactive game. Most of my gameplay has been proactive. You can see for yourself if your just read our respective ISOs.

its slightly WIFOM. claim coming.

[alimdia]

Firstly, Egix's claim uses info that is already commonly known.

Secondly, if we think about it, Egix being scum makes sense because that wagon yesterday on pisskop...
Also I can say that with Egix chilled last day,

IF

Egix was town, then that means that there was 5 town and 3 scum that could vote.
TO get 5 votes for a majority, with pisskop being scum, all 5 town would have to vote pisskop, unless theres some bussing, which I wouldn't see why scum would bus when it would take a literal all town wagon to lynch pisskop.
Now... the wagon on pisskop would never get to 5 votes without me, because I'm town. The reason why I'm not on the wagon will soon be apparent
Hence, Egix has to be scum.

[alimdia]

I'm not 100% sure if I want to full claim or not, since the info that I have (I'd like to think) is pretty obvious.
And scum knowing my full role might cause them to be able to be more 'brave' about things.

Titus, you decide. Do I need to claim today in order for us to vote Egix? And are you still tunneled on EP?
I'll drop a small snippet. I targeted you last night.

[alimdia]

Same with EP. Do I need to claim here?

[alimdia]

I feel like I would be exposing my claim and the info that scum don't know yet, while Egix has provided a claim that.... is just info everyone technically knows, but may or may not be true.

[alimdia]

Me not claiming could possibly buying Titus another night.

I will say that Eve went full rogue though lol

VOTE: Egix

[alimdia]

L-1

[alimdia]

GG guys.
The chillbreather is indeed OP and I kept asking churros if its one shot or not in the mafia PT lol. Even on the last night.

Regarding the flip info, flip is never supposed to provide info about the number of scum so I don't think that was a problem at all.

[alimdia]

Who did the mason rolecop target?

@alim - what was your fake claim plan? I regret not forcing the mass claim before flipping Egix, but I'm wondering if it would have made a difference.

Well I was a JOAT with a rolecop/mailman/roleblock, so you can imagine my confusion when Eyestott claimed his mail, and no other JOAT came forward to confirm it.
After Eve flipped mailman, I was going to claim JOAT with cop/day-mailman/jailkeeper and claim that
1) I copped Eve N1
2) sent Eve continuous day-mail on D2 to claim to her, and that I did in fact visit her on N1, and gobble was lying (our interactions on D2 does make that believable)
3) I jailkept Titus N3 (Eve also left some 'not jailkeeper' crumbs that I could have used)

In the end I didn't because there was slight risk of a counter claim. As I can see now, there was a mason rolecop.

[alimdia]

The biggest problem was me trying to figure out what to say when people ask me why I wasn't on the pisskop wagon when I 'knew' he was lying about the tracker claim given my suggested JOAT claim.

My thought process was to say that I sent the day mail to Eve, who sent the night mail to eyestott, and I wanted to hide to be able to use my jailkeeper powers so I stayed off pisskop's wagon on purpose.
And also frame Egix to be scum since the lynch on pisskop shouldnt have gone through without scum bussing (Churros did bus)

Looking back, I think my claim would have worked since I deduced there was no town JOAT after Eve died, as Eve could have not gotten the info about the guilty from anyone (unless there was another fucking mailman lol)

[alimdia]

Why did STRQ ragequit?

[alimdia]

lmao Eve hard trolling

[alimdia]

But you saw Eve flip though and I claimed mailman the day before