Or a question of mine that feels like busywork. Go.In post 1272, Auro wrote:Which push of mine seemed pedantic?
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Then please review my ISO, because I want you to boil this down into specifics and I can be pedantic about them.In post 1275, Dannflor wrote:I don't have a specific push in mind, sorry. It's just how I've perceived the way you're poking at people this game.
Even the part about picking at individual wording, throw me examples.
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I think I really just enjoy rhetoric / reasoned debates regardless of alignment.
As scum I'd know that being on the "defensive" side of that generally looks scummy, while being on the offensive side of it looks ++town
Didn't I townread Luna for it right after the fakehammer?- Auro
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I need you to prove legitimacy in thoughts so I do not misread you if you're town.In post 1279, Dannflor wrote:
I'm not going to do this, sorry; I think my energy is better spent elsewhere right now.In post 1277, Auro wrote:Then please review my ISO, because I want you to boil this down into specifics and I can be pedantic about them.
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I consider my fakehammers a meme at this point lolIn post 1282, Luna Fox wrote:Going from asking me a question to then "hammering" lol.- Auro
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Both times I rolled scum against Thor665 I'd scumread him for reasons that looked legit but were actually sorta just wonky, and then we'd wall about my scumread for many pages, and people would just end up scumreading/lynching him lol.In post 1280, Auro wrote:I think I really just enjoy rhetoric / reasoned debates regardless of alignment.
As scum I'd know that being on the "defensive" side of that generally looks scummy, while being on the offensive side of it looks ++town- Auro
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You don't need to do that much - just cite a couple of instances of pedantic/fluffy play, etc. All I want to see is that you actually got that impression, because from my own perspective, my questions feel mostly similar to what I've asked in WF. This shouldn't be much effort I think, just a light skim and quote. Do it whenever.In post 1289, Dannflor wrote:Okay. How's this, tomorrow I will do a full (or as full as I feel like) ISO on you and detail my thoughts on your major actions throughout the game. If I'm gonna do it I want to not do it half-assed and it's too late for me to have the energy right now. You can hold me to that. I respect you too much as a player to leave you hanging/ignore you.
Although, I will say, I half just responded thatI really don't care if you're misreading me.Because I feel like I don't. But if I find you as town, which I think I do now, then I do owe it to you to help you find me; because you're trying.
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I'll engage you.In post 1293, Luna Fox wrote:Oh well, seems like everyone's gonna ignore me so back to lurking i go.
What do you think of Eddie?
What do you think of OkaPoka?
Is there any more to your Penguin read than that one instance of awkwardness?
What do you think of Dann?
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In post 1207, Auro wrote:
Sure - explain why so.In post 1200, Eddie Cane wrote:
This is actually terrible.In post 1186, Auro wrote:They'd have a scum PT. After seeing you claim, you don't think they'd discuss killing you over it at night?
Like an entire scumteam of 3 would have to realize there's no cop in the setup.- Auro
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Is he still at "can't read" territory for you? If not, what's your read?- Auro
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The only other Clidd scumgame I see he repped out after two posts lol
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They were teammates in WF and very communicative.In post 1318, Alchemist21 wrote:Also have you 2 played a lot together?- Auro
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@Dann cool, but you're taking slightly off-hand statements I throw out and reading too much into them. Like at that point of time I wasn't playing as critically/carefully as you'd expect and I said so as well
Fair enough.
One thing, though - were/are you not curious how my question of your Comical identity read helps me assess your Comical alignment read? If something felt inconsequential to me enough to bother me I'd probably challenge it - so why aren't you?- Auro
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I recall: attempted deflection of my Alch 1v1, "math" of pushing in wagon and wanting to lynch in a wagon pool that didn't have Eddie.In post 1363, RCEnigma wrote:Well what was the pre-review reason for your scumread and what changed that you now aren't able to sort me outside of my claim?
The game that just finished? And I checked to see your claim was fast enough in interactions with FL; your misinterpretation of being followed seems genuine (although you may not have performed the kill as Mafia in which case it would be the same). So, meh- Auro
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SS I will blindly sheep you so you better have good reads and hit scum!- Auro
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Friendship ended with OkaPoka
Now Something_Smart is my best friend- Auro
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I mean, I still check the wiki for play strategy etc, and since gunsmith isn't cop I'd also wonder about false positives, blah bla- Auro
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What does he lose by conceding?In post 1377, RCEnigma wrote:I doubt scum gives that up arbitrarily
The loss of an Auro lynch?
Is that a big deal?- Auro
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I think scum!Alch would gain by throwing me off developing my scumread by backing down but w/e if you think "Auro has no clout can't push lynch lol"
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@dann: could've asked with variables , I don't recall specifics but something along the lines of if Comical was FL then stuff you town/scumread him for should be much closer to null, or something. Thanks for taking time to respond to my questions. I think that should come from a place of being co-operative town rather than respecting a player though
@SS: I like your reads and pushes and acknowledge Oka's point about your changed style but also think you'd actually tend to prefer being laid back as scum. So, town?- Auro
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If you thought* and that would be scummy vs if you didn't think he was FL in which case I can buy the thought process(es)In post 1389, Auro wrote:if Comical was FL then stuff you town/scumread him for should be much closer to null- Auro
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Issok I was just curious to see how you'd reactIn post 1390, Something_Smart wrote:I mean it's not that I'm incapable of having good scumreads. It's just that a lot of times I don't, and even when I do, they're usually on people who are widely agreed to be scummy (such as unwnd and pops in TM, or STRQ and Amrun in Purgatory), so that it wouldn't be necessary to sheep me since you can just see for yourself.
Sheeping my townreads, especially my confident ones, is more reasonable since they tend to be for unusual or offbeat reasons.
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Yeah stop the boonlogicIn post 1420, OkaPoka wrote:comical please stop self evaluating like this is the one game i am townreading you - please don't make me regret that read- Auro
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+1In post 1428, OkaPoka wrote:Ok im comfortable sheeping boon if its not on me xd- Auro
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It is wrong lol, Fire Dannfloor-read Dannfloor and his spicey scumteam guess contained EddieIn post 1435, Something_Smart wrote:Doesn't mean it's wrong, though.- Auro
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When you keep changing your reads rapidly and haphazardly, you don't think being ignored is a consequence?In post 1455, Comical wrote:I feel like we should stick to my pool. Generally when I’m forgotten/ignored, it means my pool is correct.- Auro
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Hm, there's also the cross-game-activity tell for Clidd. He seems to be pretty proactive as town, and it feels like he got to a decently townread position here and didn't bother anymore.- Auro
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ContextsIn post 1573, Comical wrote:I thought someone said I was consistent
You've been incredibly inconsistent about me.- Auro
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Something_Smart, do you have any mechanical inputs?
Do you think all gun positives should claim?- Auro
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Gun to your head, who would you lynch right now?- Auro
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So? I said you'd get ignored as a consequence, not scumread.In post 1584, Comical wrote:Town tell. Ask Luna.- Auro
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So you're advocating lynching RCEnigma?In post 1585, Comical wrote:Nah, we’re lynching anyone with a Gun, tbh.
It’s far past the time to avoid that.
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Really? Didn't you have a pretty reads list and a good amount of confidence I'm scum?In post 1592, iDanyboy wrote:I just caught up and I'm still as lost as I was before
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Funzies.In post 1597, Something_Smart wrote:What was the intent of it, then?- Auro
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The weird part is that you didn't appear to be "lost" before.- Auro
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{Luna, Comical, Smart, OkaPoka} all town.
I think Apple dan is a better lynch than the other dan- Auro
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In post 1600, iDanyboy wrote:
Yh, I'm pretty much in the same position as before.In post 1594, Auro wrote:
Really? Didn't you have a pretty reads list and a good amount of confidence I'm scum?In post 1592, iDanyboy wrote:I just caught up and I'm still as lost as I was before
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The specific phrasing "I'm still as lost" sounds fake and scummy.In post 1602, iDanyboy wrote:It's because than been a lot of content in-between and I haven't been able to get a lot out of it. which is making me feel lost.
It's like he wanted to say something reasonable and blend in with town who's pushing each other.
It's not consistent with the confidence he portrayed earlier - if he actually was lost before, it would have reflected.- Auro
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iDanIn post 1668, PenguinPower wrote:
Is Apple Dan not Dan Shady?In post 1666, Auro wrote:{Luna, Comical, Smart, OkaPoka} all town.
I think Apple dan is a better lynch than the other dan- Auro
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I just said iDan better lynch than Dann shady, why do you think it implies a scumread?- Auro
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What's the other bad read? Too lazy to read your ISO, pls- Auro
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Not everyone makes an effort to be consistent that way- Auro
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Smart, I think P(inconsistent scum who made a statement without thinking much) > P(he is actually lost as town / he was lost when he made a pretty reads list)- Auro
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As scum the previous reads list would be made up; he'd not necessarily be aware that he was presenting confidence.In post 1679, Something_Smart wrote:But is that lack of effort contingent on alignment? Would he forget that he wasn't lost as scum, but not as town?
He claims he was also lost when he made that reads list.- Auro
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I assess this to be low because it doesn't reflect in his posts/readslist then.In post 1681, Something_Smart wrote:But what about P(he was lost at some point before or after his read list, but didn't say anything about it)?- Auro
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Right.In post 1683, Something_Smart wrote:I would say I shouldn't put words in his mouth but he basically said as much in 1602-- that he felt lost after the readlist was posted, not while he was making it.
It's a possibility that hewas"not lost" at readslist time, became lost shortly afterwards, and that's what he's referring to when he says "just as lost as before".
But I think transitioning from the level ofnot lostat readslist tolostshortly after is also kinda unbelievable.
Feels like he just slipped and is trying to explain it away- Auro
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Spoiler: Lost?
I wouldn't really have a problem with what he said if these posts he made after repping in didn't seem to present a pretty comfortable level of confidence.
I also doubt that the content posted between then and now is so obscure: there were some obvious things to comment on, like: Alch unvoting me, Luna posting more, your replace-in and posts, etc. etc.- Auro
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Actually thinking about this I still might, I don't think "lost" is a very believable position to be in right now.In post 1691, Auro wrote:I wouldn't really have a problem
iDan doesn't seem the kind to be "lost" and not act upon it either.
It does feel like something scum would think they would feel as town, though- Auro
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Smart, if I'm town, with considerable pressure on me, and Boon also having stated me as a scumread, you think he'd instead conclude that he and RCE should check me?
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