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what's different from that one micro you played with him where I replaced him
you caught him fairly quickly there so I'm curious
he doesn't sound like a robot who is forcing himself to write each post so that he doesn't get replaced
i actually do agree with heaven town. the whole 'my scumgame has improved since the last game' looked like projecting at first which is why i voted it, but his follow up posts were good.
the whole l-1 lolhammer thing was not great
i've never seen that from you before
you're being more like ~cavalier~ than i'm used to. like not caring about consequences as much i guess. and doing a l-1 just to see if a lolhammer will happen or not is kinda meh
showing bravado seems more like a town trait than a scum trait if you ask me, but it's possible scum could fake that. do you think scum menalque is capable of faking that bravado?
In post 142, nomnomnom wrote:the whole point of rvs is that for scums the first vote is never random
so voting someone's that's not in the game and saying "haha it's just a joke guys" is kind of a red flag and just sounds like scum avoiding any kind of association
noms how much experience do you have playing with mena? he's opened up with that same exact rvs/terrible joke across multiple games, so if you're aware of that then i can't see why you'd think that's ai in any sense.
are there other reasons you have for scumreading mena? i'm not really a fan of the ate here.
In post 217, nomnomnom wrote:I've only seen his play through modding C9++ so no direct experience
He was scum that game and if memory serves well he opened pretty seriously, at least I don't remember him doing anything extravagant, probably would have not forgotten it otherwise
Also I'm sheeping Furret's push because I want his reactions
hmm ok. i think i kinda see nom's push there from a town perspective, even if the logic is bad. like i can see why a townie might be thrown off by that kind of entrance, especially considering that iconeum isn't even in this game. i don't think scum would really pay it much mind.
wasn't really impressed with luca's 208. i feel like if he actually believed in his read on noms he'd have voted there to try and start a wagon. instead he waited until noms pointed out that he hadn't.
looker's vote on noms feels more like it's driven by personal shit instead of actual reasons why they think noms is scum. regardless of looker's alignment, it's a bad vote (although i don't think it says much wrt looker's alignment)
tentative VOTE: luca blight because i'm interested to see where this wagon goes.
In post 324, Luca Blight wrote:I actually didn’t hop on her though? Which is ironically a stick she’s using to attack me. I pointed out things I didn’t like and was waiting to get a read on everyone before committing to a vote.
Why is it hard to believe that I could genuinely see her as scummy, as opposed to being opportunistic scum?
you didn't wait until you had a read on everyone though, you voted directly after it was pointed out that you hadn't voted there.
In post 243, Luca Blight wrote:When I say Town!Nom in that sense I kind of mean any reasonable player (which I believe you are).
No reasonable town player would want to 1v1 me based on your reasoning.
why would a reasonable scum player want to get involved in a 1v1 instead of trying to deflect the conflict elsewhere?
Out of desperation/frustration due to having nowhere to go.
so because noms is frustrated by your push, scum motivated response is to basically say "come at me bro?" that's the kind of bravado i'm not sure i'd see coming from scum noms. it generally doesn't feel scum motivated.
S {Quag | Heaven/Nom | Aldus/Skitter/Menal | Captain/Luca}T
you have me as your strongest scum read yet you vote for noms? explain that for me
No one is scum alone. Besides, with D1's track record, it'd probably stay a vanity wagon.
In post 342, Quagsire wrote:looker's vote on noms feels more like it's driven by personal shit instead of actual reasons why they think noms is scum.
Are you purposely feeding into her narrative? It's expected for Nom to insult me, but not really you.
okay but you're not even trying to push me or question my stances. like it's not really a vanity when we still have time for other wagons to form. so if you think i'm scum, then you should be pushing me or trying to start a wagon on me, especially when others have expressed concerns about me.
i wasn't insulting you but okay. my point on your noms vote still stands.
In post 382, nomnomnom wrote:My main gripe with Luca's claim is that if he's really neap the fact that I'm neighbor with furret creates a lot of false positives, and I'm not sure if this is deliberate game design or just a fakeclaim
but it sure does feel like a fakeclaim, especially considering that neighbors aren't that much power and straight up delve into negative utility territory if we actually have a neap this game
so luca claimed macho neap and you are in a hood with furret
if true that claim probably does fit from a game design perspective. however i think it does ~slightly~ increase the chance that someone in the hood is scum.
if it's not a fake claim, then him claiming the macho probably guarantees that he dies. either way i'm not lynching that claim
In post 494, Luca Blight wrote:I already explained that: you made negative comments about Nom and none about me until I was suspected, hence it ‘seemed’ as though you sided with me as opposed to with Nom.
i did make negative comments about nom, but i ultimately ended up townreading her (still do). you were null for me up until that point.
In post 469, Looker wrote:I find it virtually impossible to believe anything. With the end result, scum could just as easily be Luca and nom. Besides, until we have a flip, most of this is fluff and bullshit anyway. You feed into your own paranoia while the actual scum just sit and watch. It's mildly irritating.
In post 488, Quagsire wrote:okay but you're not even trying to push me or question my stances. like it's not really a vanity when we still have time for other wagons to form. so if you think i'm scum, then you should be pushing me or trying to start a wagon on me, especially when others have expressed concerns about me.
i wasn't insulting you but okay. my point on your noms vote still stands.
Your suggestions are suggestions. I'm not going to fake some fabricated conviction to get others to vote you. This is a gambling game and I'm gambling.
VOTE: Luca Blight
what? why would you have to fabricate convictions when i'm supposedly your
top scumread
? like surely you must have reasons for that. i feel like you'd be trying a little harder to lynch me if you actually believed that i was scum.
instead of constantly complaining that the game is unreadable, you could maybe try to be productive and produce whatever it is you consider readable content out of people
also i feel like this game has had more than enough readable content from at least half of the slots but that's just me
In post 231, Luca Blight wrote:Obviously I’m gonna focus more on explaining my scumread than my townreads.
Why would not voting you give you pings when some players have barely posted? I mean yeah, I could have voted you, but Is it not also reasonable to wait until I have a read on everyone?
My townlean on Luca that I forgot to mention is gone
hey chemist
i know you're still getting caught up but luca claimed macho neapolitan. also noms and furret are in a hood.
In post 488, Quagsire wrote:okay but you're not even trying to push me or question my stances. like it's not really a vanity when we still have
time for other wagons to form. so if you think i'm scum, then you should be pushing me or trying to start a wagon on me, especially when others have expressed concerns about me.
Yeah, Quag expresses this later too.
finally someone else realizes how odd this is. in fact, multiple people have expressed scumreads on me yet no one is really pushing me, they just seem way too complacent in voting me. that's a good indicator that scum is pushing me.
In post 610, GeorgeBailey wrote:I think Heaven's reaction to his wagon doesn't come from town. He seemed pretty dismissive of it. (before he replaced out, at least)
In post 673, Captain the Furret wrote:Well, you see Quagsire, its for 2 simple reasons
A. Ur scum and you have to try to keep me as lynchable as possible because thats something you think you can do
B. I’m just the superior pokemon
a. i think if you knew my main you'd realize that i'm not even remotely within my scum range, but i'm not gonna reveal my main because that's part of the fun with playing on an anonymous alt
In post 676, Captain the Furret wrote:I haven’t thought about your main once tbh
I kind of just have reasons to townread everyone else
okay so say i flip town then. are you just gonna say "well i was wrong on that time to lynch the next one in my poe" or are you gonna reevaluate some of the people you're townreading?
In post 755, nomnomnom wrote:this gamestate is literally "vote quags or die" right now, and that feels horrible
this is how you know scum have been pushing me ^ the majority seems way too complacent to my lynch which means there's a good chance of at least one scum in {luca, skitter, furret} with an outside chance of one in {aldus, chemist}. i'm beginning to think scum lies in the places where i have no reads whatsoever so i feel reasonably confident saying at least one of {skitter, furret} is scum.
looker's play still sucks, maybe it could come from town. there's also a chance that luca's claim is fake or it is simply a scum role, but that's something that can be figured out later.
yep this is how i play with scum!noms, you got me.
like noms is obvtown and i fail to see how you don't see that. scum noms has no reason to resist my wagon this hard unless she is scum with me (which she isn't, because i know i'm town). if i need to flip for people to see that and for people to consider other options such as aldus, skitter and furret then fine.
if noms ends up flipping scum then by all means lynch me tomorrow but the fact that the gamestate has turned into lynch noms or lynch quagsire sucks when there's worse slots out there.
In post 810, Luca Blight wrote:I don’t want to waste your time in allowing you to think there’s a chance of convincing me, because there isn’t. It’s clear as day to me that you’re scum partners. Call it confbiasing all you want, but my mind’s made up.
Try and convince the others if you wish
well you're wrong and you really should have a backup plan in the event that noms or i flip town ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and if i flip then checking noms would be a waste since we know what the result will be there thanks to the hood.
i think you're probably just stubborn town honestly which is unfortunate
In post 755, nomnomnom wrote:this gamestate is literally "vote quags or die" right now, and that feels horrible
this is how you know scum have been pushing me ^ the majority seems way too complacent to my lynch which means there's a good chance of at least one scum in {luca, skitter, furret} with an outside chance of one in {aldus, chemist}. i'm beginning to think scum lies in the places where i have no reads whatsoever so i feel reasonably confident saying at least one of {skitter, furret} is scum.
looker's play still sucks, maybe it could come from town. there's also a chance that luca's claim is fake or it is simply a scum role, but that's something that can be figured out later.
this is the exact opposite of a gamestate where scum are complacent wrt your lynch
the game became *more* conflict-y once you got run up
the game got conflict-y because of noms resisting my wagon and the noms vs. luca situation. nearly everyone was scumreading me up until that point so i have no doubt that a lynch on me goes through easily if noms doesn't resist my wagon.
yep this is how i play with scum!noms, you got me.
like noms is obvtown and i fail to see how you don't see that. scum noms has no reason to resist my wagon this hard unless she is scum with me (which she isn't, because i know i'm town). if i need to flip for people to see that and for people to consider other options such as aldus, skitter and furret then fine.
from my pov you look svs tho
it's not helpful to me to give an argument that is only true from your pov
ok, fair enough, i'm the only one who knows my alignment for sure except for scum.
I beg your pardon? Can you explain why objectively and without bias?
i have explained this, you're not pushing your scumreads, you're making a bunch of random votes that don't actually reflect how you feel (or claim to feel)
like it's not even about the fact that you scumread me, it's about how you play around your scumreads that's concerning.
In post 842, Alduskkel wrote:Ok reading/rereading it's really noticeable how suddenly Quag (posts 792, 794, 809) has been setting up for a pivot onto lynching me today, and nom meanwhile has maintained a suspicion on both me and Quag while always favoring me over Quag. To me that looks like they're potentially coordinating (daychat?) scum partners who want me lynched Day 1 since I'm one of the few "lynchable" players left other than them (and Looker). If this is literally what's going on I want a post-game cookie from Datisi.
Personally I prefer a Quag lynch because
1) I still have a (admittedly waning) town read on nom
2) skitter is a better scumhunter than me and also favors Quag over nom
3) The way Quag wanders onto wagons (Luca, Looker) at opportune times is suspicious
VOTE: Quagsire
so much irony/hypocrisy in this post
i haven't even voted for you or even really pushed you all that hard, you've been such a non-presence this game. i'm currently voting for furret and started a wagon on there so no i haven't been 'joining wagons at continent times' (hypocritical that you say that when join my wagon as it's taking off in the very same post).
also getting some bad partner/partner interactions with skitter here. it feels like he's trying to protect her, especially with this bit here.
In post 847, Alduskkel wrote:Also, lynching a town-Skitter on Day 1 would be really bad for town if her reputation is anything to go by.
