Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Game over!)

[Luca Blight]

I agree about L-1’s generally, it’s a bit different when it’s unannounced and in/around RVS.

Do you scumread Heaven, Menalque?

[Luca Blight]

Why do you scumread Heaven, Menalque?

[Luca Blight]

We need more votes on Luca Blight; maybe then we can get him involved.

you’re not exactly super-involved yourself atm.

[Luca Blight]

Here it is.

VOTE: Looker

[Luca Blight]

Here’s what I’ve got so far:

Heaven seems townie based on tone

I didn’t like Menalque’s Heaven vote, but he’s growing on me

Slight town read on Furret

Skitter makes sense

Nom is currently the best bet for scum out of the active posters, which I’ll elaborate on soon maybe

[Luca Blight]

These are the posts I have the most problems with. I’ll see if I can put it into words:

That whole thing seems really out of character tbh

I think that's a nice way to put things I've been feeling
that opening is also really out of character imo, just feels awkward

Something about the wording of the first line feels a bit off to me. The entire post doesn’t really add anything except fuel to the fire.

let's all VOTE: iconeum for an

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D1 lynch!

this is just a personal note but this kind of rvs post/vote is scummy as fuck

I agree with Skitter that Menalque’s opening is NAI, especially taking into account his meta where it kind of makes sense. It’s possible that Nom felt the need to add something or her own to the table rather than purely sheeping, but it doesn’t sit well with me.

idk man people seem to think I'm stupid as fuck when it comes to scumhunting but what I say makes sense for me god damn it :/
hard to make people follow wagons with me when they hardly understand my reasonings and it's irritating

This seems a bit of an overreaction to Skitter’s comment. I’m not sure as Town if you’d take it to heart so much? It didn’t seem like a massive deal.

@skitt @furret what are your opinions on nomx3's scumgame?

do you scumread her

maybe

lmao
this level of non commitment

Why should he be committed on page 7/8 or whatever it is? I think ‘maybe’ is understandable in this context.

my seer senses are tingling
they're telling me that if furret was voting me, menalque would have sheeped
hmhnmhnnnn

Again her tone is preemptively defensive. This could be a move that’s designed to set Menalque up - either he doesn’t vote her because of the trap she’s set, or he does and she can be like ‘hah! I told you!’.

[Luca Blight]

Any reason you are not voting me Luca?

Still need to get a read on a few players before I go pushing a lynch.

[Luca Blight]

Anything you want to talk about, Nom?

[Luca Blight]

That’s a pretty weak thing to pick out. Was my explanation not adequate for you?

[Luca Blight]

Obviously I’m gonna focus more on explaining my scumread than my townreads.

Why would not voting you give you pings when some players have barely posted? I mean yeah, I could have voted you, but Is it not also reasonable to wait until I have a read on everyone?

[Luca Blight]

‘Give townreads left and right’ is a bit of an exaggeration as well. I gave two light TR’s and said I liked Skitter’s posts. I respect skitter’s scum game enough not to give a TR there prematurely.

[Luca Blight]

2, not 3, and they are light TR’s. I think you’re reaching here to find some mud to throw at me tbh.

[Luca Blight]

You’re trying to shoehorn my play into being scummy rather than fairly evaluating it imo. You’re under pressure and are scrambling for something to cling onto.

I agree that townreading people left and right can be a scumtell, but it doesn’t pertain to what I’ve done in this game.

Not voting a scumread I guess could be a thing, but you’re assuming a scummy motive when a townie one exists. You asked why I wasn’t voting you but ignored my answer and assumed a scummy motive - that makes it seem as though the only reason you asked that question was to set-up your hop onto my wagon.

Your recent opportunism also seems at odds with your AtE from the other page. One minute you’re feeling sad because you’re being scumread, the next you’re jumping on me for not automatically voting you after raising my suspicions. It feel off to me.

VOTE: Nom

[Luca Blight]

You’re openwolfing. Town!Nom would not want to 1v1 someone over this lol

[Luca Blight]

You were on Menalque’s ass when until it was no longer convenient. Suddenly you’re being increasingly scumread with nowhere to turn so you jump on me and try to exaggerate minor things in a desperate attempt to make me look scummy.

I’m more confident in my read now, hence my vote.

[Luca Blight]

When I say Town!Nom in that sense I kind of mean any reasonable player (which I believe you are).

No reasonable town player would want to 1v1 me based on your reasoning.

[Luca Blight]

You were on Menalque’s ass when until it was no longer convenient.

Define convenient

I’m more confident in my read now, hence my vote.

yet your reasoning was to "try and sort more slots"
I think you're severely bullshitting

But when I’m more confident in my read then obviously I’ll feel more inclined? Like, you’re open-wolfing right now so why wouldn’t I vote you?

You’ve tried to set me up just like you did with Menalque earlier. You vote me because I didn’t vote you, meaning if i then vote you you’re like ‘look! He voted me when he said he wanted to wait!’. So predictable.

You used the word convenient yourself, so I’m pretty sure you know the definition.

[Luca Blight]

I never said it was a read.

[Luca Blight]

You’re just lying. Clearly in my post you can see they’re light. Of course they’re going to be light reads only a few pages in. I’m not backing down from anything - this is just more mud you’re reaching for.

Anyway I’m off to bed now. Will continue this tomorrow.

[Luca Blight]

Spoiler:

These are the posts I have the most problems with. I’ll see if I can put it into words:

That whole thing seems really out of character tbh

I think that's a nice way to put things I've been feeling
that opening is also really out of character imo, just feels awkward

Something about the wording of the first line feels a bit off to me. The entire post doesn’t really add anything except fuel to the fire.

let's all VOTE: iconeum for an

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D1 lynch!

this is just a personal note but this kind of rvs post/vote is scummy as fuck

I agree with Skitter that Menalque’s opening is NAI, especially taking into account his meta where it kind of makes sense. It’s possible that Nom felt the need to add something or her own to the table rather than purely sheeping, but it doesn’t sit well with me.

idk man people seem to think I'm stupid as fuck when it comes to scumhunting but what I say makes sense for me god damn it :/
hard to make people follow wagons with me when they hardly understand my reasonings and it's irritating

This seems a bit of an overreaction to Skitter’s comment. I’m not sure as Town if you’d take it to heart so much? It didn’t seem like a massive deal.

@skitt @furret what are your opinions on nomx3's scumgame?

do you scumread her

maybe

lmao
this level of non commitment

Why should he be committed on page 7/8 or whatever it is? I think ‘maybe’ is understandable in this context.

my seer senses are tingling
they're telling me that if furret was voting me, menalque would have sheeped
hmhnmhnnnn

Again her tone is preemptively defensive. This could be a move that’s designed to set Menalque up - either he doesn’t vote her because of the trap she’s set, or he does and she can be like ‘hah! I told you!’.

this feels like you're going down a list of things to attack over an actual read tbh

What gives you that impression?

[Luca Blight]

Spoiler:

You’re trying to shoehorn my play into being scummy rather than fairly evaluating it imo. You’re under pressure and are scrambling for something to cling onto.

I agree that townreading people left and right can be a scumtell, but it doesn’t pertain to what I’ve done in this game.

Not voting a scumread I guess could be a thing, but you’re assuming a scummy motive when a townie one exists. You asked why I wasn’t voting you but ignored my answer and assumed a scummy motive - that makes it seem as though the only reason you asked that question was to set-up your hop onto my wagon.

Your recent opportunism also seems at odds with your AtE from the other page. One minute you’re feeling sad because you’re being scumread, the next you’re jumping on me for not automatically voting you after raising my suspicions. It feel off to me.

VOTE: Nom

you feel a bit more unnatural then the normal I played with you.
Later into the game at least you started to obvtown yourself, but atm you just feel very unnatural

You mean the game you death-tunneled me in?

[Luca Blight]

Spoiler:

These are the posts I have the most problems with. I’ll see if I can put it into words:

That whole thing seems really out of character tbh

I think that's a nice way to put things I've been feeling
that opening is also really out of character imo, just feels awkward

Something about the wording of the first line feels a bit off to me. The entire post doesn’t really add anything except fuel to the fire.

let's all VOTE: iconeum for an

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D1 lynch!

this is just a personal note but this kind of rvs post/vote is scummy as fuck

I agree with Skitter that Menalque’s opening is NAI, especially taking into account his meta where it kind of makes sense. It’s possible that Nom felt the need to add something or her own to the table rather than purely sheeping, but it doesn’t sit well with me.

idk man people seem to think I'm stupid as fuck when it comes to scumhunting but what I say makes sense for me god damn it :/
hard to make people follow wagons with me when they hardly understand my reasonings and it's irritating

This seems a bit of an overreaction to Skitter’s comment. I’m not sure as Town if you’d take it to heart so much? It didn’t seem like a massive deal.

@skitt @furret what are your opinions on nomx3's scumgame?

do you scumread her

maybe

lmao
this level of non commitment

Why should he be committed on page 7/8 or whatever it is? I think ‘maybe’ is understandable in this context.

my seer senses are tingling
they're telling me that if furret was voting me, menalque would have sheeped
hmhnmhnnnn

Again her tone is preemptively defensive. This could be a move that’s designed to set Menalque up - either he doesn’t vote her because of the trap she’s set, or he does and she can be like ‘hah! I told you!’.

this feels like you're going down a list of things to attack over an actual read tbh

What gives you that impression?

It feels like
ok
so I can attack this post
and this post
and this post
but not this post
but also this post

I attacked the posts that I didn’t like, correct.

[Luca Blight]

Luca why no speaky conmigo when you’re replying to posts after my calling you scum?

Just skimming through.

I’m puzzled as to how you read Nom as more Town from that interaction tbh.

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I actually didn’t hop on her though? Which is ironically a stick she’s using to attack me. I pointed out things I didn’t like and was waiting to get a read on everyone before committing to a vote.

Why is it hard to believe that I could genuinely see her as scummy, as opposed to being opportunistic scum?

[Luca Blight]

Like I don’t think anyone is liable to be open wolfing there so it’s like more confidence than I think you have the right to express in nom!scum

The second one is like idk, just seems weird. Like putting the focus on bad reasoning as the thing that makes nomx3 scummy when I think bad reasoning is just as likely to come from town as scum (or almost)

1) you’ve got this backwards. Can’t you see she is the one with the unwarranted confidence that I’m scum? She’s the one who initiated the 1v1 based on completely fabricated reasons. I honestly can’t see any reasonable Town player doing that and it feels like desperate scum.

2) again you’re missing the point. It’s not just the bad reasoning, it’s wanting to 1v1 based on her reasoning.

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I mean hopping on doesn’t necessarily have to be a vote — also, you did end up voting her?

And I already said that I think that’s a possibility in a town!you world, I’m just not seeing that yet

I voted her when she basically confirmed to me she’s scum.

[Luca Blight]

I’m only able to phone post this game so I can’t chuck quotes together too easily. Later when I have more time I’ll go over again why Nom is obvscum.

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I mean hopping on doesn’t necessarily have to be a vote — also, you did end up voting her?

And I already said that I think that’s a possibility in a town!you world, I’m just not seeing that yet

I voted her when she basically confirmed to me she’s scum.

This also feels obscenely overconfident in your scumread on her

I have a lot more reason to believe she’s scum. As I said I’m puzzled you can’t see it.

[Luca Blight]

213 226 228- asks why I’m not voting her. I answer her but she doesn’t pay any mind to my explanation, and assumes a scummy motive anyway. This shows that the only reason she asked this question was to put herself in a position to hop on my wagon - nothing I answered would have made a difference to this. The timing is also scummy - she was riding on the Menalque train until it was no longer convenient (her reasoning being shot down and herself becoming suspected) so she’s left under pressure with nowhere to go, hence her desperate attempt to throw shit at me which is coming up. Her sudden positioning of ‘you’re scum for not voting me’ is also at odds with her earlier AtE of ‘why does everyone scumread me and think my arguments are bad’.

233 - misreps my play by saying I’ve been giving townreads left and right, which is far from the case. Even when I correct her by saying I’ve only given two TR’s she still tries to exaggerate it by saying three, which is apparently nearly half the playerlist. See how much she is reaching already? She also has no interest in actually ascertaining why I have those tr’s, she’s only intrerested in using it as a stick to beat me with.

237 - now she wants to 1v1 me, which is the first sign to me that she’s openwolfing. I can’t imagine Town thinking ‘hmm, they have a couple or tr’s and didn’t immediately vote their scumread, time to deathtunnel’. It feels entirely survivalistic on her part that she’s ready to 1v1 based on this reasoning when some players have barely posted.

239 - err you DID coast on the Menalque wagon until you got called out on it. She’s also now activating the same trap she set Menalque earlier - Saying I’m scum for not voting her, so that when I do vote her she can say ‘look! He voted me!’. Just because I didn’t feel like voting you then doesn’t mean I’m obliged to hold that position in light of new evidence.

251 - here she is just lying. She says I’m backing down by saying my townreads are light, even though that was evident in the post in question. She then says I’m backing down for saying my Skitter comment wasn’t a read, which clearly it wasn’t. She’s just taking everything I say and making out I’m scum for it, even when it’s clear just by reading the thread that she’s wrong. How is this not desperate scum?

Her play is also full of AtE, which both Skitter and Looker have said characterizes her scum play.

[Luca Blight]

When I say Town!Nom in that sense I kind of mean any reasonable player (which I believe you are).

No reasonable town player would want to 1v1 me based on your reasoning.

why would a reasonable scum player want to get involved in a 1v1 instead of trying to deflect the conflict elsewhere?

Out of desperation/frustration due to having nowhere to go.

[Luca Blight]

That’s L-1

[Luca Blight]

I didn’t need to start a wagon, Nom already had two votes at that point

[Luca Blight]

No I didn’t, read back. I voted her after her push on me, which increased my SR due to her reaching.

[Luca Blight]

Why not unvote if you’re being tentative?

[Luca Blight]

I can see a scum motive behind her wanting to 1v1, I can’t see a town motive. Her reasoning doesn’t justify it.

She reads entirely like desperate scum.

[Luca Blight]

Quag are you going to unvote me or not?

I’m about to go out and don’t feel like being left at L-1 in this game state.

Pedit, ok I claim Town macho Neapolitan.

[Luca Blight]

I think Nom is bullshitting again.

On one hand she’s like ‘i’d Hate for Skitter to think I’m a bad town player’

Then when it suits her she’s like ‘Lol I’m not a reasonable player’

[Luca Blight]

L-1 and I’m about to go out, so I feel it’s necessary to claim.

[Luca Blight]

I find your ‘tentative’ vote and refusal to unvote even after my claim weird.

[Luca Blight]

Nom/Quags both scummy but I’m still most confident on Nom.

[Luca Blight]

This is probably the last game I’ll play until I can computer post again, as it seems I can’t explain myself as well by phone posting.

[Luca Blight]

I’m feeling frustrated anyway so I’m gonna take a break.

Lynch Nom -> Quags.

Lynch me first if you want, as long as you 100% lynch Nom next.

I’m out.

[Luca Blight]

V/LA weekend

[Luca Blight]

Me and Looker were recently in a game that had Town Neap + a neighborhood that included scum.

Why wouldn’t I claim the macho modifier?

Still think Nom is scum who is immediately trying to discredit everything I say and do. I’m ok lynching Quags but I won’t be moving my vote.

[Luca Blight]

Here it is viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81815

I don’t care about being NK, better than being lynched and does away with Wifom if I had survived.

[Luca Blight]

Ergh
I think the claim is bullshit but UNVOTE:

Yes you unvoted but literally discredited me in the same breath.

[Luca Blight]

Ergh
I think the claim is bullshit but UNVOTE:

Yes you unvoted but literally discredited me in the same breath.

my gut feeling was that your claim felt like bullshit

And what do you think now?

[Luca Blight]

Thoughts on Quags?

[Luca Blight]

It doesn’t make sense to me how you hard SR me based on virtually nothing, and yet have no real suspicion of Quags after what looked like a really opportunistic hop onto my wagon.

[Luca Blight]

Haven’t read too much into Ald but he seems fine atm. His approach to my wagon was ok. Town lean.

[Luca Blight]

Maybe I'm biased but I don't see it as opportunistic
What makes it opportunistic from your POV?
Also it definitely wasn't nothing.

For a hard SR is was nothing.

Your point about the townreads was objectively wrong. Giving TR’s for no reason can be a scumrell, but two light townreads early on? Never in the history of Mafia is that a scumtell, no matter how you dress it up.

Not voting you after my case was justified by the fact almost half the player list had barely posted, and my vote would have put you to l-2.

It was nothing.

[Luca Blight]

nomnomnom (3): Heaven, Luca Blight, Looker

ugh this wagon gives me some bad feels

wasn't really impressed with luca's 208. i feel like if he actually believed in his read on noms he'd have voted there to try and start a wagon. instead he waited until noms pointed out that he hadn't.

looker's vote on noms feels more like it's driven by personal shit instead of actual reasons why they think noms is scum. regardless of looker's alignment, it's a bad vote (although i don't think it says much wrt looker's alignment)

tentative VOTE: luca blight because i'm interested to see where this wagon goes.

I actually didn’t hop on her though? Which is ironically a stick she’s using to attack me. I pointed out things I didn’t like and was waiting to get a read on everyone before committing to a vote.

Why is it hard to believe that I could genuinely see her as scummy, as opposed to being opportunistic scum?

you didn't wait until you had a read on everyone though, you voted directly after it was pointed out that you hadn't voted there.

pedit: didn't realize that was l-1 whoops

Doesn’t realise his vote made it L-1, but doesn’t unvote, so how the hell is that a tentative vote? He also tries to justify his vote my misrepping me (i didn’t vote Nom directly after she pointed it out, that is evident)

uh no one asked you to claim but alright

i need sleep so i'll read into that claim later

I claim and STILL he doesn’t unvote.

Tentative vote? Tentative my ass.

[Luca Blight]

How about you answer the question about Quag since we're not even talking about this anymore?
I'm trying to solve here

Yeah, sure you are.

[Luca Blight]

I don’t know. I’m just pointing out he’s done scummy stuff which you’ve conveniently ignored.

[Luca Blight]

Jumping on someone as the tide is turning against them is the very essence of opportunism.

Before that he seemed to side with me over you. How can you not see that? Is it TMI?

[Luca Blight]

The disingenuous ‘tentativeness’ makes it even worse imo.

[Luca Blight]

Before that he seemed to side with me over you.

show me this

Read his posts.

He made negative comments about you and none about me, until I became suspected.

[Luca Blight]

I feel that's still different from saying you are town then voting you afterwards
I think Quag definitely comes off as "don't mind me" sort of player but I don't see the opportunism

You see what you want to see, which was my point.

Luca’s opportunism was a thing because it suited your agenda. Quags’ opportunism isn’t a thing because it doesn’t suit your agenda.

[Luca Blight]

Do you have a read on Aldu?

[Luca Blight]

What agenda

Your agenda as scum, given I still believe you’re scum.

You were desperate to frame me as scummy in any possible way, hence I was ‘opportunistic’.

Quags’ vote didn’t step on your toes at all, so from a scum perspective you barely noticed it.

[Luca Blight]

I don't really know where you read the town intent
he has 10 posts max and a lot of them are fluff and the rest are questions and talking about information rather than analysis

pedit: What agenda does scum!me has to talk with you about quag, debating about whether he's opportunistic or not, and me ending up voting him?

Well, your vote didn’t last very long...

[Luca Blight]

I don’t know about Aldu, my view of the game is warped atm by assuming you’re scum.

Your push on me just felt so desperately scummy that I’m not sure I can look past it. Some of your recent stuff hasn’t been as bad, but you’ve been forced into working with me rather than against me.

[Luca Blight]

It's a vote on either of those
I'm hesitant on Quag and I think your tunnel on me is affecting how you read other people
There is no opportunism in Quag's posting. If I end up voting quag's it will be for anything else but that

What would Quags have had to do for you to consider it opportunistic?

[Luca Blight]

So why was I opportunistic but Quags wasn’t?

[Luca Blight]

Oh, I thought you called me opportunistic. My bad.

I’m not convincing you about anyone rn. Still trying to work you out atm.

[Luca Blight]

I don’t know about Quags. He could be scum with you, which is what I’m thinking.

I need to step back and reassess a bit.

[Luca Blight]

Yes, hence the stepping back.

I was convinced you were scum but your recent stuff is making me reconsider.

[Luca Blight]

Heaven needs to be considered as well.

[Luca Blight]

Why would you feel bad?

[Luca Blight]

But when I said that I was scum?

[Luca Blight]

The more I look at Aldu’s Iso the worse I feel about it.

[Luca Blight]

I feel like being the ‘hammerer’ today anyway.

UNVOTE:

[Luca Blight]

Current read on Furret, Nom?

[Luca Blight]

Any reason?

[Luca Blight]

Nom, you have the same two townreads that I expressed in my earlier post, which you heavily scumread me for.

Explain?

[Luca Blight]

Right.

But you’ve expressed you’re townreads with the exact same conviction with which i expressed them? And mine were just after RVS where a lack of conviction is more excusable.

[Luca Blight]

Here’s what I’ve got so far:

Heaven seems townie based on tone

I didn’t like Menalque’s Heaven vote, but he’s growing on me

Slight town read on Furret

Skitter makes sense

Nom is currently the best bet for scum out of the active posters, which I’ll elaborate on soon maybe

[Luca Blight]

because heaven felt town earlier
the slot doesn't strike me as a good lynch either, at all

town lean on furret

[Luca Blight]

I'm not introspective enough to compare the way I play to yours tbh
I think this kind of question isn't going anywhere

It makes your push, which already seemed fake af, look even more fake tbh.

[Luca Blight]

Now imagine, Nom, if I took those two reads of yours and deathtunneled you for ‘giving out townreads left and right’.

How would you feel about such a push?

[Luca Blight]

I see what you mean
I like to think I'm able to detail my reads if need be
I just end up spamposting a lot and writing walls after walls so I prefer to state my opinions clearly and just detail if I'm asked to detail

That’s fine and I’m similar in that regard, but you weren’t interested in why I had those Tr’s - you never even asked me. You just focused on framing it as scummy.

[Luca Blight]

But the conviction was what you found scummy.

If you were interested in the reasoning then why didn’t you ask me?

[Luca Blight]

So were you exaggerating your scumread to gauge my reaction? @Nom

[Luca Blight]

I already explained that: you made negative comments about Nom and none about me until I was suspected, hence it ‘seemed’ as though you sided with me as opposed to with Nom.

[Luca Blight]

So you did exaggerate it?

How sure were you that I was scum? @nom

[Luca Blight]

So frustrating when you’re phone posting on really slow WiFi and get ninja’d like four times

[Luca Blight]

Nom, do you have any Town meta of yourself scumreading players for those reasons? It’d help me out a bit.

[Luca Blight]

I think I just realised who Quags’ main is.

[Luca Blight]

You seem to think not automatically voting a scumread and townreading people easily are massive scumtells, so I thought you might have some memory of scumreading people for those reasons in past games?

[Luca Blight]

Any similar meta would be useful tho I guess

[Luca Blight]

Ok let’s see it

[Luca Blight]

The only times I’m like a train is when I’m convinced someone is scum. Usually I’m pretty laid-back I’d say.

[Luca Blight]

Your play style is different this game but something you said made me realise who you are (unless I’m very mistaken).

[Luca Blight]

Ok I’ll save my guess until then.

[Luca Blight]

They’ve struck me as more townie than my previous game with them (in which they were scum).

I’ll need to read back and reassess things .

[Luca Blight]

I really don’t understand her vote on me, though

[Luca Blight]

This random voting style is the one thing similar to that scum game. I’ll have to check out her town meta.

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Oh, I thought you called me opportunistic. My bad.

I’m not convincing you about anyone rn. Still trying to work you out atm.

What do you mean by "work [nom] out"? I thought you were already sure she was scum.

If you read my posts you’d see that I’ve become less certain that she’s scum.

Haven’t read too much into Ald but he seems fine atm. His approach to my wagon was ok. Town lean.

The more I look at Aldu’s Iso the worse I feel about it.

Explain your progression here

It’s self-explanatory.

I hadn’t read much into your posts but you seemed ok. When I looked more deeply into your ISO I didn’t like it as much.

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I’m definitely leaning town on Looker based on forthright nature of her posting.

It could be ballsy scum, but it’s completely at odds with the scum meta I have on her.

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Why do you scumread me, Looker?

[Luca Blight]

I think Heaven's reaction to his wagon doesn't come from town. He seemed pretty dismissive of it. (before he replaced out, at least)

Can you talk more about this? I’m not really seeing it.

[Luca Blight]

I kind of see what you’re getting at.

I liked his early interactions with Nom, but a Heaven/Nom team has been bubbling in the back of my mind for a while now.

[Luca Blight]

I’m definitely leaning town on Looker based on forthright nature of her posting.

It could be ballsy scum, but it’s completely at odds with the scum meta I have on her.

What’s the scum meta you have on her?

I linked the game earlier where there was a town Neap + neighborhood including scum. Looker was that scum.

[Luca Blight]

Still not feeling great about Nom. Her push wasn’t half as reachy in that town game she posted and she didn’t use anywhere near as much AtE.

This is still my preferred lynch as things stand, but I need to see a lot more from a few players.

[Luca Blight]

Obviously I’m gonna focus more on explaining my scumread than my townreads.

Why would not voting you give you pings when some players have barely posted? I mean yeah, I could have voted you, but Is it not also reasonable to wait until I have a read on everyone?

My townlean on Luca that I forgot to mention is gone

Why does this make you townread Luca less?

Second line felt like deflection to the lurking slots

Then you misunderstood the point as it had nothing to do with that.

I was stating that there was nothing wrong with not automatically voting a SL when:

A) she already has a couple of votes and I’d be putting her to L-2

B) a few players had barely posted, and I wanted to get a firmer grip on them before pushing a lynch.

[Luca Blight]

It’s not that I don’t believe Nom would 1v1 as Town, it’s that she would 1v1 over such poor reasoning.

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@quag, why did your unvote of luca come in 491 and not when he first claimed?

i wanted to get reactions, liked the luca wagon at the time. i wasn't actually expecting nor asking him to claim though.

That doesn’t answer why you didn’t unvote me after my claim?

[Luca Blight]

Oh wait, I misread that I think.

Still seems weird leaving me precariously on L-1 when it was a ‘tentative vote’.

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I don’t know? A natural town reaction is to unvote there, especially when you’re about to be afk.

As scum you have more reason to wait to see how others react before taking action yourself.

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I’m not particularly townreading Furret atm, I don’t have a strong read on them either way. Similar to the Menalque slot.

Nom is the more likely scum from that pairing I think tho

[Luca Blight]

I’m warming to the idea of Quags!scum. Nom could be his partner, but that can be considered later anyway.

[Luca Blight]

I’ve agreed with nearly everything Skitter has said so far, but that’s happened before when she was scum so I’d wait until later in the game to get a firm read (not that I’ll live that long).

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Quags, you’re defending yourself (which is fair enough) but you’re not really pushing an alternative to your lynch.

Looker isn’t being lynched today, you don’t want to lynch Nom, so what’s it to be?

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The time has been extended, no massive rush.

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I can’t relate to your feelings.

Why do you feel more confident on Aldu than Quags?

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Your reasoning is pretty vague itself, can you give any examples of what you mean?

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Well Quags jumped on my wagon, and he jumped on Looker’s?

Can you quote specifically what was townie about his reaction to pressure?

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Not jumping on your wagon doesn’t bear much significance when he’d already TR you earlier and your wagon doesn’t have much support right now, and you’re one of the only players supporting him.

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I don’t really like that post; it feels a pointless question that he asks just to seem townie.

I’d expect from town to have more direction behind it, like mentioning specific players at least.

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Luca can I know why you claimed your macho modifier

It just hit me that this question is more likely to come from a scum mindset.

As Town when you see such a claim you are trying to work out whether it’s true, but I don’t think this question helps in solving that. This questions seems more to be scum wondering if they’re being baited into the NK by the ‘Macho’ claim, and want some reassurance that it’s legit.

[Luca Blight]

seems like we're at an impasse
are you voting Quag right now?

I’m not voting anyone. I want to be the deciding vote today.

[Luca Blight]

I feel Nom/Quags could be S/S, but I also feel Nom could be white-knighting.

I’d feel happier with a Nom lynch today.

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You’re the one who seems to know how Quags will flip, Nom.

[Luca Blight]

You’re the one who seems to know how Quags will flip, Nom.

I think you're massively reaching considering that you're saying that me and quags are on S/S for the majority of today and now you're saying "yeah quag is town and she's whiteknighting him"
I feel you're confbiasing here

Well it’s not like both scenarios aren’t a possibility fmpov? I’ve never stated confidently that you’re s/s, both scenarios have always been in my mind.

If you want to see what real reaching is then refer back to your earlier push on me.

[Luca Blight]

I’ve seen scum hard-defend town that are about to be lynched many times, Skitter. Nom would look better for the flip.

I think we should lynch Nom today.

[Luca Blight]

you

so you think i'm bussing my partner in order to line up a lynch on you tomorrow?
because otherwise this argument doesn't make sense

I assumed she meant me, because if she meant you then it could be a perspective slip (from a Nom/Quags S/S perspective). I agree it makes no sense.

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It just looked like defensive shade/discrediting to me, and possibly a perspective slip as I mentioned above if her and Quags are s/s.

[Luca Blight]

I was going to hold my vote until the end, but I think my mind is made up.

VOTE: Nom

[Luca Blight]

That’s not a town vote.

A) Skitter has done nothing scummy whatsoever

B) it’s a vanity wagon

C) she’s hoping someone will come to her rescue with ‘scum wouldn’t make that vote’.

a desperate move

[Luca Blight]

the ultimate bad feels state when you're getting wagoned for refusing to put the popular wagon at L-1

‘I’m being Sr for the wrong reasons’

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I don’t really care what you do as I firmly believe you’re scum and my vote is fixed.

As a suggestion, you could vote someone who a) is scummy to some degree and b) has a chance of being lynched today.

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Surely even Quags being lynched is better than yourself?

How confident are you that he’s Town exactly?

[Luca Blight]

I think there’s other slots that could be pushed, but Skitter isn’t one of them.

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this is why i feel distrustful of the quags wagon in the first place
this whole thing makes me feel there's scum involvement in there and if there's one person in this whole thing that does that, it's skitt
do you get what I'm saying here? I feel like I'm getting played

I don’t see it at all. Skitter’s thoughts on the subject have mirrored my own, apart from ruling out the white-knighting.

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how much experience do you have with skitter, luca?

I’ve played against her twice, me being Town and her scum both times.

I’m aware she’s a very good scum player, but it seems to me you’re desperately reaching, as you did to me in our earlier argument.

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what was the second time?
i'm just remembering that mini normal where i calimed vanilla cop or something

In the PYP, I beat you in LYLO

[Luca Blight]

I guess the victories are always more memorable.

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And because Nom is being lynched instead.

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Who’s more Town, Quags or Looker?

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like on top of that the fact that Ald is on that wagon just confirms to me he's extremely scum
why does everyone refuse to read Ald's posting as scum
just give me a towncase instead of rolling on your confbias

But Quags was also on that wagon?

Still is, actually.

[Luca Blight]

Explain why Aldu’s Looker vote is 100x more scummy than Quagsire’s Looker vote?

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This really is s/s.

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I’ve read your posts and have nothing more to say, we’d be going round in circles.

My vote is fixed.

[Luca Blight]

This really is s/s.

yep this is how i play with scum!noms, you got me.

like noms is obvtown and i fail to see how you don't see that. scum noms has no reason to resist my wagon this hard unless she is scum with me (which she isn't, because i know i'm town). if i need to flip for people to see that and for people to consider other options such as aldus, skitter and furret then fine.

Do you see how silly this post is?

You say Nom isn’t obvtown for defending you, and you know you’re Town.

But I don’t know you’re Town, so how is it obvious for me?

Her defence of you makes no actual sense other than s/s at this point.

[Luca Blight]

Is obvtown for defending you*

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I don’t want to waste your time in allowing you to think there’s a chance of convincing me, because there isn’t. It’s clear as day to me that you’re scum partners. Call it confbiasing all you want, but my mind’s made up.

Try and convince the others if you wish

[Luca Blight]

My record of D1 scum lynches is very high actually.

Even in the game you reference I pushed through a scum lynch D1.

[Luca Blight]

Unless you’re talking about the other game which was a complete mess generally and doesn’t represent how I normally play.

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Lmao

Just because I was wrong in one game ages ago doesn’t have any bearing on this game.

Especially when that game was a toxic mess generally.

[Luca Blight]

The use of that quote is ironic given your AtE about being scumread every game.

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My vote is still fixed on Nom.

[Luca Blight]

I don’t know, that’s the one thing that throws me off about that slot, but everything else seems relatively townie.

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I’m not changing; I’m firm in my scumread.

What would it take for you to vote Nom?

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Yes, I do.

I think I’ve covered everything already, but I’ll condense the points against her later.

[Luca Blight]

nom's posting since being put at L-1 is super towny and it's basically locked in my prior townread

How is it super townie?

[Luca Blight]

nom's posting since being put at L-1 is super towny and it's basically locked in my prior townread

How is it super townie?

Put yourself in nom's mindset for a minute here

If you're getting pushed to L-1 and you think scum are manipulating the gamestate your priority is getting people to pay attention to that

Which I think is exactly what nom is doing and it's a level of conviction that would be super hard to fake imo

That’s taking the situation out of context, and I don’t think it’s hard to fake from desperate scum.

It makes no sense how resistant Nom was to a Quags lynch when she wasn’t even Tr’ing him that strongly (she said herself Looker is a much stronger TR). She voted Quags twice and both times quickly switched to someone else or unvoted. It makes no sense how she thinks Aldu is 100x scummier than Quags. Most likely this is s/s or a failed white-knighting attempt that she got too deep in to get out of.

She’s jumped on me, Skitter and now Furret with the same apparent ‘conviction’. Her case on me was pure garbage and basically scratching around for any reason to SR me, and her Skitter push didn’t come from a townie mindset for the reasons I explained. Only now that every other avenue has been exhausted has she jumped on Furret with this apparent ‘conviction’.

It’s fake as fuck.

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Luca you want to see some funny shit?
Start voting Quag and see how many people sheep you
you're going to have a good laff as you realize that everyone magically sheeps you there it's a magic trick

Can you not see that people aren’t sheeping me?

If they were you’d be dead by now.

[Luca Blight]

Fmpov lynching Furret could also be lynching a possible IC, so that argument won’t wash.

I also think you’re fake for your reaction to the Quags wagon - it doesn’t make sense coming from town when you weren’t TR’ing that strongly.

Your AtE also reads fake to me, and seems to be characteristic of your previous scum games.

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Your last line of argument is invalid - you weren’t to know you’d be put to L-1 when you made your defence of Quags.

Scum often defend lynch bait? Why are you trying to make out this is some impossible thing to happen?

Your subsequent reaction reeked of ‘Ive been caught for the wrong reasons’ which is consistent with this view.

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I still think it’s s/s, but if only one of Nom/Quags is scum then I’m more confident on Nom.

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It doesn't matter what I say I don't know why I try reasoning with you I am talking to a wall
let me post a case of Furret at least other people might wake up
I'm really mad at you for doing all of this shit, this is so poor townplay

So good Town play is giving in every time to AtE and abuse?

I’ve listened to and debated all your reasonings and arguments, and the end result is that I SR you and want you to be lynched.

End of story.

[Luca Blight]

I’m about to sleep anyway, will give your case some attention tomorrow. I’ll unvote for the meantime.

UNVOTE:

[Luca Blight]

I don’t get how Nom is saying ‘unclaim the hell now’ and generally lamenting over a possible cc, but then saying stuff like ‘the cc will soon sign your death certificate’.

It’s like a conflicting mindset. Otherwise I haven’t caught up yet.

[Luca Blight]

I thought he was Iconium, even though his play style is very different this game.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Noms

L-1

[Luca Blight]

Go for it. Your lynch is beneficial for Town either way.

[Luca Blight]

A depressing game from a town point of view.

It's never a good idea to rush LYLO when Skitter's involved; she always hard busses as scum.

Well played.