Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Game over!)

[Alduskkel]

I feel like I'm missing something in the above post

anyway, anyone who read Furret's Bizarre Adventure knows that I am the one true Captain the Furret
VOTE: Captain the Furret imposter

[Alduskkel]

Nice to see skitter again after she gave me a heart attack last time I played scum and nom3, who inherited that heart attack.

Luckily, my scum abilities have doubled since last we met. Not that it's relevant, or anything.

VOTE: Heaven

[Alduskkel]

You underestimate my power.

[Alduskkel]

just getting him closer to heaven

Spoiler:

uhh I thought I would have something else to say but not as much happened as I expected since I last posted

I'm quite sure no one is going to lolhammer so I'm not worried about that

[Alduskkel]

hi aldus!

hi

also you feel p weird here

Y

the whole l-1 lolhammer thing was not great
i've never seen that from you before
you're being more like ~cavalier~ than i'm used to. like not caring about consequences as much i guess. and doing a l-1 just to see if a lolhammer will happen or not is kinda meh

menalque was pretty cavalier in micro 900 where we were town together

This game kind of sucks tbh

what makes you say this?

showing bravado seems more like a town trait than a scum trait if you ask me, but it's possible scum could fake that. do you think scum menalque is capable of faking that bravado?

question wasn't directed at me but i'm gonna answer anyway: menalque just has bravado. there's no need to fake it regardless of alignment

also it doesn't even take that much bravado to put someone at L-1 at this stage so there's that too

I'm suspicious of people who give townreads left and right because that's generally ultra scummy especially without much rationale behind it, especially in the context of micros where there is a lot more emphasis of finding other townies rather than minis and larges

i'm not following this logic. what's scummy about giving lots of townreads?

I'm on page 11 and nomnomnom looks like lynchbait

@Luca: Explain how nomnomnom is "open wolfing"?

[Alduskkel]

Aldus is suspiciously quiet and I kind of didn’t like his tone

i'm quiet cuz i'm visiting my grandfather and i haven't had as much time to post as i thought i would

You’re openwolfing. Town!Nom would not want to 1v1 someone over this lol

I definitely do think there is scum involved in the 1v1 assuming ur town

so you're saying if luca = town then nom = scum? why?

anyway right now i'm at weak town reads on menalque and skitter
medium town read on nom

I want to scumread luca but after misreading him in micro 900 i'm afraid to do so again

[Alduskkel]

Luca, do you think nom thinks she could reasonably win a 1v1 with you, and that that would be preferable to trying to avoid suspicion some other way?

How sure are you that nom is scum? You're very confident in the read considering how early (at least, to me) in the game we are.

[Alduskkel]

what do you think of the fact that nom said she isn't "reasonable"? since you are assuming that a town nom would be reasonable

i don't buy the narrative that nom was "coasting" on the menalque wagon

pedit: uhhhhhh

[Alduskkel]

we shouldn't lynch luca this phase and that's all i'm going to say about the claim

[Alduskkel]

Payback's a VOTE: nomnomnom

S {Quag | Heaven/Nom | Aldus/Skitter/Menal | Captain/Luca}T

you have me as your strongest scum read yet you vote for noms? explain that for me

No one is scum alone. Besides, with D1's track record, it'd probably stay a vanity wagon.

Multiple other people have expressed some level of suspicion of Quagsire. Why do you think that the wagon wouldn't gain traction? Also, where's your captain townread coming from?

Post 417 raises some good points

Oh, I thought you called me opportunistic. My bad.

I’m not convincing you about anyone rn. Still trying to work you out atm.

What do you mean by "work [nom] out"? I thought you were already sure she was scum.

Haven’t read too much into Ald but he seems fine atm. His approach to my wagon was ok. Town lean.

The more I look at Aldu’s Iso the worse I feel about it.

Explain your progression here

I find it virtually impossible to believe anything. With the end result, scum could just as easily be Luca and nom.

now THAT is a wild take lol

yeah what the hell is this looker, in what universe does a scumteam 1v1 each other and then one of them claims macho neapolitan?

okay but you're not even trying to push me or question my stances. like it's not really a vanity when we still have time for other wagons to form. so if you think i'm scum, then you should be pushing me or trying to start a wagon on me, especially when others have expressed concerns about me.

i wasn't insulting you but okay. my point on your noms vote still stands.

Your suggestions are suggestions. I'm not going to fake some fabricated conviction to get others to vote you. This is a gambling game and I'm gambling.

VOTE: Luca Blight

disgusting

VOTE: Looker

[Alduskkel]

well it wasn't the fact that he wanted l-1's it's more the fact that he was provoking a lolhammer/indicated he was fine with that happening

hey how much (recent) mafia experience do you have?

I took a long break, but I've completed 3 town games recently + some marathon games.

I'm on page 11 and nomnomnom looks like lynchbait

why are you townreading her?

My impression is that nom has been somewhat emotional/confrontational which has attracted votes but I don't think there's scum motive. Why try to provoke Luca into a 1v1 instead of deflecting? In a Luca vs. nom battle I think Luca is more likely to win and I think nom knows that as scum. As town, if she thinks Luca's scum then it might be an uphill battle but at least she's pursuing scum.

I don't agree with what she's said about Luca, but I can see the reasoning behind it. And like I've said previously, I don't think nom was "coasting" on the menalque wagon because she was engaging with him.

[Alduskkel]

@Looker: Sorry. When I said "disgusting" I was just emphasizing your scumminess. I didn't intend to offend.

Captain, can you explain what's so scummy about Quagsire to you? If Quag's scum I should be concerned cuz it just followed me onto the Looker wagon.

[Alduskkel]

What are your thoughts on Looker, particularly stuff mentioned about them in posts 520 and 529?

[Alduskkel]

Doesn't everyone want their pushes to sound good and ironclad? I kinda see what you're saying about 529. I still think it's really weird for Looker to suggest that nom vs Luca is SvS though, and to vote the claimed power role on top of that.

[Alduskkel]

If Quag died right now and flipped scum, how would that affect your read of nom?
If Quag died right now and flipped town, how would that affect your read of nom?
If nom died right now and flipped scum, how would that affect your read of Quag?
If nom died right now and flipped town, how would that affect your read of Quag?

What posts from nom make you feel like she's pocketing you? She said she townread you based on what you said in the neighborhood. Does that sound legit to you?

[Alduskkel]

I mean I see what you’re saying but I’m just still not understanding Looker’s thought process as town or nom’s thought process as scum.

[Alduskkel]

apolgy for bad english

where were u wen captain furret die

i was at park walcing when phone ring

“captain furret is kil”

“no”

[Alduskkel]

u fool. u absolute buffoon. u think u can challenge me

[Alduskkel]

I ALREADY HAVE THE POWER OF THE FURRET FEDERATION’S SPECIAL FORCES

[Alduskkel]

TIME TO UNLEASH THE ULTIMATE WEAPON

THE GUN THAT FIRES FURRETS

[Alduskkel]

oh shit

[Alduskkel]

I’m definitely leaning town on Looker based on forthright nature of her posting.

It could be ballsy scum, but it’s completely at odds with the scum meta I have on her.

What’s the scum meta you have on her?

[Alduskkel]

As for Chemist and Looker, I think Looker is scummy for reasons stated above, and Chemist for his predecessor, Heaven.

VOTE: Chemist1422

By “reasons stated above” are you referring to stuff that I’ve mentioned? Why do you find Heaven scummy?

@Mod: Can we have a deadline extension? Feels appropriate with the recent replacements and weekend V/LAs.

[Alduskkel]

I’m definitely leaning town on Looker based on forthright nature of her posting.

It could be ballsy scum, but it’s completely at odds with the scum meta I have on her.

What’s the scum meta you have on her?

I linked the game earlier where there was a town Neap + neighborhood including scum. Looker was that scum.

I agree that Looker's play in that game was very different from this game. But I'm not convinced it's related to Looker's alignment, but rather that they had a lot less time to commit to that other game than this one.

VOTE: Alduskkel

Oh Jesus, clerical error

VOTE: Quagsire

How did this happen lol

Ok reading/rereading it's really noticeable how suddenly Quag (posts 792, 794, 809) has been setting up for a pivot onto lynching me today, and nom meanwhile has maintained a suspicion on both me and Quag while always favoring me over Quag. To me that looks like they're potentially coordinating (daychat?) scum partners who want me lynched Day 1 since I'm one of the few "lynchable" players left other than them (and Looker). If this is literally what's going on I want a post-game cookie from Datisi.

Personally I prefer a Quag lynch because
1) I still have a (admittedly waning) town read on nom
2) skitter is a better scumhunter than me and also favors Quag over nom
3) The way Quag wanders onto wagons (Luca, Looker) at opportune times is suspicious

VOTE: Quagsire

@skitter: Can I get your opinion on Looker's vote on Luca after Luca claimed? Also, what'd you get out of my answer to your question here?

well it wasn't the fact that he wanted l-1's it's more the fact that he was provoking a lolhammer/indicated he was fine with that happening

hey how much (recent) mafia experience do you have?

I took a long break, but I've completed 3 town games recently + some marathon games.

This post is probably going to feel a bit disjointed, but for the record I'm trying to figure out if my Looker scumread is wrong by talking to other players who townread them.

[Alduskkel]

Luca: not lynching today for obvious reasons
skitter, Captain, Chemist: town
George: null
nom: townreading but feeling doubtful
Looker: scumreading but feeling doubtful
Quag: scumreading

[Alduskkel]

Captain seemed pretty town when we were discussing Looker and Quagsire, even if we didn't end up fully agreeing. Like, I felt there was a genuine attempt at sorting me + trying to explain their reads. Skitter has had good takes on the game and I don't really see a scum agenda behind her posts. Also, lynching a town-Skitter on Day 1 would be really bad for town if her reputation is anything to go by.

I'm also more confident in the accuracy of my townreads than my scumreads.

[Alduskkel]

Luca, why do you think a town-Looker voted you after you claimed?

[Alduskkel]

[Alduskkel]

hey guys what's happened since i last checked the thre...

[Alduskkel]

I'm not counterclaiming

@George and Aldusk, can you two pick a wagon to support?
its crunch time.

I mean I thought Quag was a wagon.

i haven't even voted for you or even really pushed you all that hard, you've been such a non-presence this game.

That's cuz you're still in the middle of the pivot, not at the end of it

i'm currently voting for furret and started a wagon on there so no i haven't been 'joining wagons at continent times' (hypocritical that you say that when join my wagon as it's taking off in the very same post).

Your Luca and Looker votes definitely felt convenient.

Am I being hypocritical? Maybe. But I give myself a pass because I know I'm town.

also getting some bad partner/partner interactions with skitter here. it feels like he's trying to protect her, especially with this bit here.

Also, lynching a town-Skitter on Day 1 would be really bad for town if her reputation is anything to go by.

I didn't expect to be accused of being scum with skitter today.

anyways i need to think about this more. in the meantime, i need to go find my son wooper. i know he's around here somewhere.

pedit: at this point i figured it would be obvious who i am

Oh, you're the worst?

[Alduskkel]

no one hammer until we know looker isn't going to CC

[Alduskkel]

I'm like 99% sure we should lynch Quagsire today.

I am curious how certain skitter is that Chemist/Heaven is town. If we can set that slot aside as town then the game becomes a lot cleaner, because I'm also 99% sure that skitter and Captain are town. A lynch order of Quag-->Me-->George is nearly a guaranteed win in that case. (Including my own lynch since I'm definitely in the scummier half of the playerlist.)

[Alduskkel]

Ugh, why did Looker and George both have to go and start acting scummy to make things complicated? I agree with Quagsire about 1169. I'm also really confused by Looker's posts 1176 and 1177. Are they seriously considering Captain as a scum possibility? It's like they're posting from an alternate universe.

[Alduskkel]

is it really a prodge if you have a standing V/LA

[Alduskkel]

Some disjointed thoughts:

I think I want to rule out George and Noms
If we’re going by the map Chemist posted, Mena really never had a solid stance on noms and I feel like scum!mena has a more solidified stance on noms

for like a decent half of the day it was "noms is TWTBAW"

What is TWTBAW?

I agree that page 7 points to Menalque/George not being scum, though it's not enough for me to take them out of the PoE.

Looker's thought process is a complete puzzle to me with the stuff Captain pointed out in 1165 + the Luca vote + the recent attempt to cast suspicion onto Captain.

[Alduskkel]

VOTE: Quagsire

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

VOTE: Alduskkel

can someone please explain what looker is doing this game

[Alduskkel]

Ugh, why did Looker and George both have to go and start acting scummy to make things complicated?

Weren't you already scum reading Looker?

the scumread lessened after nom flipped scum

right now I'm just super confused by looker's alien thought processes

[Alduskkel]

VOTE: Quagsire
I still think this makes the most sense from associations with nom.

[Alduskkel]

I'm not seeing Chemist-scum. Explain? There's that town meta read on Heaven + the effort put into 1129 seems more likely to be from town + I don't see why Chemist-scum would townread me and Quag as this potentially backs him into a corner down the road.

[Alduskkel]

Sorry I had a really busy day, I'll be more active tomorrow. I still think we probably lynch Quag today, although I agree with Quag's 1269 that Mena/GB are likely not scum.

Tomorrow I'll iso Quag/Looker/GB and see if I turn up anything new. But, I doubt my opinion will change other than possibly swapping the order that I want to lynch Quag/Looker in.

[Alduskkel]

which is the second time that quag has casually put someone at L-1

the first time being luca

[Alduskkel]

and putting me at L-1 when you also want to hear from skitter is absurd because if someone hammers me then skitter is basically guaranteed to get nightkilled

[Alduskkel]

if you think it'll prevent 50% of the scumteam from dying on day 1, then yes

being 1 scum in a 6v1 situation day 2 sucks, although it was mitigated a bit by two PRs claiming day 1

[Alduskkel]

I feel worse about Quag's, but Looker's is also kinda scummy because I don't see why they'd swap from a vote on me to a vote on Quag so quickly.

[Alduskkel]

To be more specific: I don't see anything mentioned in post 1276 that would seem to merit switching from a vote on me to a vote on Quag. Looker didn't mention Quag's L-1 vote so that doesn't seem to be the reason. Also, Looker assumes Quag thinks I'm town, but I have no idea where Looker got that impression.

[Alduskkel]

By saying "guaranteed", are you confirming that skitter is town?

I'm saying I'll eat my hat if skitter is scum.

Why do you keep changing your vote?

[Alduskkel]

never noticed the bump feature before

[Alduskkel]

anyway, looker, who's

scummier

to you, me or quag?

[Alduskkel]

I just iso'd Quag and Looker. Based on the associatives, GB and Looker should be town because Menalque and Looker's early arguments with nom don't look SvS. And skitter is obvtown. So I'm pretty confident we should lynch Quag today unless skitter wants to come in here and drop the take of the century.

[Alduskkel]

Tempting, but I'd rather wait for skitter.

[Alduskkel]

also today is probably massclaim day i think

why today?

[Alduskkel]

Ehh... Quag already claimed VT though. And honestly I think any non-VT claim in lylo will just make it

easier

to assess who's scum and not harder.

It probably won't matter though because this should end the game
VOTE: Quagsire.

[Alduskkel]

why do you say GG skitter if you think skitter is town enough to immediately vote me?

[Alduskkel]

also what's my motivation to kill GB

I feel like if you were town you would be more concerned about losing to skitterscum

anyway unless you plan to unvote I hope skitter gets in here soon to confirm which one of you two is scum (you unless I've been massively misled)

[Alduskkel]

if i'm scum don't i just kill you and walk into day 4 with two people who townread me?

[Alduskkel]

oof gg

I was actually planning on double-checking skitter if skitter were still alive Day 4 but obviously I never got the chance
Of course to win I would have not only had to convince myself that skitter was scummier than looker but also convince looker that skitter was scummier than me so eh that probably would have never happened

chemist lynch was bad and both PRs claiming D1 was bad

skitter and nom are scary as scum

[Alduskkel]

A. Noms selfhammered so its likely she was being bussed
B. Scum lynches d1 are always a result of scum being on the wagon

how do you figure

personally as scum I would despise bussing my only partner D1

[Alduskkel]

also would you have been able to pick out skitter as scum rather than GB?

my subjective opinion is that quag and I had the scummiest associatives with nom, and that we should have been the Day 2/3 lynches; and then I would also say skitter would need a reevaluation because I would predicted she would be the night 3 kill

admittedly my scumhunting ability is biased by my own views of what i'd do as scum, which trends away from bussing

The hilarious part was that, if you had've voted skitter, I would've hammered her. The fact that you made 4 posts with no vote made me more suspicious of you. Skitter and Amrun are consistently inherently townread.

really? well, unfortunately, I never vote right off the bat in lylo unless someone is literally confscum. I made 4 posts without voting because I wanted you to unvote

[Alduskkel]

the first part of that post is directed at alisae

[Alduskkel]

@alisae: unfortunately your role basically guaranteed you'd be dead by day 3 so I'm not sure you'd have the time to pick out skitterscum

@nom: duly noted lol.

When did you and skitter start "planning" for you to be lynched Day 1? If their hadn't been two claimed PRs, would you have played differently since it could have been an autoloss (depending on PRs)?

[Alduskkel]

there*
not sure why I'm typoing so much

[Alduskkel]

@alisae: unfortunately your role basically guaranteed you'd be dead by day 3 so I'm not sure you'd have the time to pick out skitterscum

I think I should have been able to pick it up d2 100% if I put at least any amount of thought into it

@nom: hmm I guess my misstep was thinking that your lynch was a panicky completely unplanned thing and scumhunting based on that.

if you really know how to setup spec
you figure out the setup when luca claims macho neapolitan

tbh I'm kind of confused from a balance perspective about why you were a bodyguard instead of a full doctor, since luca was macho

[Alduskkel]

why do you say doctors are really strong?

[Alduskkel]

unless they're macho

pedit: hell yeah jailkeeper is better than doctor

[Alduskkel]

if you doc someone
unless your protection gets bypassed
they will be alive the next day

pedit: I like doctor more because of how simple it is.

the problem with doctors is they have to target the same person the scum plans on killing that night

[Alduskkel]

you do not need to stop a kill as a doctor.

explain

[Alduskkel]

woop i fucked up the quotes

[Alduskkel]

if you target someone as doc there's no way they can die (barring strongman/roleblock)

the threat of doc stopping the kill is usually enough

^^^^^^^^^

is that true in a closed setup though?

[Alduskkel]

I mean kudos for the good play, but that sounds like an extreme case scenario. Doctors often don't even get the opportunity to boost the town's game that much.

I also think it might be worth distinguishing between the power of a Doctor vs the power of their

possibly being

a Doctor.

[Alduskkel]

there*
I swear I never make this mistake except apparently today

[Alduskkel]

yeah doctor's a good role but have you considered limited bulletproof innocent child neighbor tracker?

[Alduskkel]

yeah doctor's a good role but have you considered limited bulletproof innocent child neighbor tracker?

that role is only good if that person knows how to play the part of conftown.

is this a way of saying I played bad

[Alduskkel]

this setup was imbalanced because datisi made the scum roles nom and skitter

[Alduskkel]

I will say this: I will never trust skitter or nom ever again

also yes mafia is far superior to town and I keep rolling town

[Alduskkel]

also forum mafia is like 10x harder for the town than meatworld mafia

[Alduskkel]

i've been tempted to sign up for a game that RC is in just to see what all the fuss is about

[Alduskkel]

he better be, he has a scummy

[Alduskkel]

<---- has never done anything worthy of even being nominated for a scummy

[Alduskkel]

apolgy for bad english

where were u wen captain furret die

i was at park walcing when phone ring

“captain furret is kil”

“no”

i've only known aldus for four and a half months but if anything happened to him i would kill everyone in this room and then myself

this is going in my signature

[Alduskkel]

alduskkel is my spirit animal

oh no this one's so good too but I feel like it'd be bad form to put this in my sig too