Mini Normal 2124 [Endgame]

[Farkran]

Wait for torque

mod it's 5 to hammer, not 6

[Farkran]

Wait for torque

mod it's 5 to hammer, not 6

(Also it's day 3 not 2)

[Farkran]

Thanks

Norwegian is L-3 don't do anything stupid please, remember that scum can selfhammer if necessary

[Farkran]

I think the team is norwee/kerset

But we will hear from torque first

[Farkran]

Norwee should have shot in {fark, kerset}. Kerset was my highest townread, whereas norwee claimed to scumread me

Doesn't make sense that he refuses to shoot his scumread or my townread to shoot alisae, therefore he could not shoot kerset (partner) and wouldn't shoot someone who whiteknighted his partner.

Norwee slipped with the vig claim back then and couldn't back off of it, that's why he was so adamantly against mass claiming. Norwee knew he was going to die today. In my plan i told alisae to block kerset later, so they had to remove er asap, whereas torque probably hit town or was blocked by scum rb if exists

[Farkran]

Also alisae scumread norwee too but that's just the fun part

We're still gonna wait for torque and see if he got a guilty

[Farkran]

It's been ever since Eragon voted me back in d1 when me and norwee were top wagons that i say norwee is scum, but nobody believed that

Then he forgets to claim Novice during the massclaim

Then he shoots alisae when he was supposed to target elsewhere, and there's no double kill

It's quite obvious that you slipped with that PR softy and you were forced into a vig claim because when FL claimed FN you were fucked

But i still want to learn if scum have access to rb, or if luna is scum (very very unlikely atm)

[Farkran]

More likely as a vig you don't go rogue like that, unless you're out of options because my plan was actually solid.

[Farkran]

d3

• Alisae blocks Kerset

Imagine what would have happened if scum flipped town!Fark without being able to make the double kill happen to conftown Norwee

And then ask yourself which were exactly the two slots that didn't want to follow the plan because "it wasn't solid at all"

My guess is norwee is a gunsmith enabler (makes sense to prepare for a vig claim when you know there is a gunsmith) and kerset is a roleblocker enabler (based on 3111)

[Farkran]

Ok, good enough.

VOTE: norwegianboy

Let's put an end to this

[Farkran]

If this flips scum we lynch kerset tomorrow

Torque, check anywhere, see you postgame if you die

[Farkran]

So, uh... me and alisae agree on a mechsolve that involves lynching me d2. People do not want that, so we lynch chemist instead, and i tell the claimed vig to shoot me n2.

Instead, alisae dies, there's no double kill, and the vig says he didn't want to kill his highest scumread.

I mean... sure, i guess it's a natural consequence to believe that there is a mafia doctor and alisae blocked scum instead.

This game is the lols

[Farkran]

Mafia doctor is not insanely likely.

What's insanely likely is that the claimed vig heroshoots alisae when asked to choose between his SR and a townread of his SR

And no double kill happens.

[Farkran]

No no no wait a minute Farkran

go back to what Flavour Leaf said regarding mafia doc, he says it's likely and he's been saying it since yesterday. I didn't even notice until i literally just checked out mafia doctor doesn't come up as having a gun to gunsmiths, that's what FL was talking about.

Assuming mafia doc is insanely likely, a town vig is insanely likely, no?

Yes, but there's no mafia doc and no vig.

I'm not going to get talked out of lynching norwee, he has been scummy ever since d1 and the only reason why he is still alive is because there have been people who townlocked him for no reason. If he was town he would have shoot me or kerset, period.

[Farkran]

Like, look at this post waifu upick d2

This is norwee rushing to vote the vig who almost threw the game by shooting me. I will not buy that vig!norwee heroshoots alisae while no double kill happens. Norwee is scum, and today we lynch him.

If FL is also scum we'll handle that later, i still think it's norwee/kerset.

[Farkran]

TSE actually was a vig. So your argument is kind of a fail lmao.
We were both wrong.

Yeah, and you acknowledged he was either bad or threw

You don't heroshoot alisae.

[Farkran]

Sigh

I don't like wasting time, i already offered my case on norwee and my gamesolve and i'm not going to be trolled out of it, sorry. If you manage to get 4 more votes to lynch anyone else over you, feel free to. If town is dumb enough to listen, there's nothing i can do about it

[Farkran]

FL also targeted a lurker with his disloyal FN and softclaimed right when his target was starting to speak. There are plenty of reasons to believe FL is scum and he should always be the lynch in any lylo. That has never changed, but there are only 2 scum and i think they are norwee and kerset atm.

Norwee being a vig means he threw, but i respect him much more than to believe that. He's just scum, and we can work with other plausible scummy targets later.

The plan is still running anyways, Torque produced a inno today, if he dies Luna will be conftown, otherwise he will act again and will be lynched later to verify his results. There can be no more than 1 kill on the following nights, meaning we have 9>7>5>3 = 3 more lynches to do after norwee dies.

I am more than willing to take the loss than to believe norwee is town or Luna is exactly the mafia doctor

[Farkran]

Ah right, you're even-night gated, i forgot about that.

Luna is still town though, and once you die we will know

[Farkran]

I'm now working under the assumption that:

1) Norwee is scum
2) Adorable is town
3) power is never scum if FL is town
4) Luna is always town if Torque is town
5) klick is half-conftown

If we lose this game is because someone wanted to threw, and we deserve it

[Farkran]

If Norwegian flips town, i will be extremely pissed but i will still assume that Luna, Adorable, klick and power are town unless their respective investigatives flip scum first, and i'll worry about that only if and when that happens.

That means my PoE will always hit FL before endgame.

D3 lynch norwee, say he flips town
N3 torque dies, flips town
D4 lynch kerset/FL, flips town
N4 Adorable dies
D5 we're still in time to lynch the remaining in FL/Kerset

This is assuming you also believe i am town, but if you don't it's not like i can do anything by myself.

[Farkran]

Town!norwee does not refuse to shoot one of {fark, kerset}. Town!alisae does not go rogue and block random people after agreeing with the plan. Scum does not kill alisae over torque unless alisae is dangerous to them, and it's only dangerous to kerset, only if kerset is the last scum alive which will happen once norwee is lynched for failing to produce a double kill. Me and alisae were also scumreading norwee.

It's as simple as that. Don't overthink it. On the very unlikely chance that norwee is town, we are still aiming at kerset and FL in the following days.

Pedit: yes, alisae quoted and confirmed the plan before hammering

[Farkran]

Ok here i am, this is the full setup we have right now

Torque = Even-Gunsmith
FL = Disloyal FN
Alisae = 2shot Roleblocker
Marshal = Disabled Odd-Tracker
Norwee = Novice Noncon-Vig
Fark = VT
Luna = VT
Kers = VT
Klick = VT with a ~50% softclear from Alisae
Power = ??? with a minor softclear from FL
Chemist = ???

Here's what we do:

d2

• We lynch Farkran
  
• Alisae stays. It's suboptimal for Alisae to act today. They already have to pick between investigative and roleblocker and we have a vig to confirm so it's counterproductive to allow a no kill from scum as it causes a fake guilt on two players (norwee and the blocked player)
  
• Norwee shots Chemist
  
• Torque checks Luna

After today we have 2scum/8town alive. I always assume worst case scenarios in which we always mislynch/kill town, if we get a red flip you can adjust accordingly anyways.

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d3

Farkran is always dead today.

Did two kills happen?
+ Norwee is conftown. Otherwise, he cannot survive long anyways.
Is torque alive?
+ Luna is conftown (or caught scum which is better)

• We lynch Chemist > Torque > Luna. If Chemist is alive we remove him and Torque can act again. If Chemist is dead and Torque is alive we gain conftown on Luna; if Torque was killed or got no result we remove Luna.
  
• Alisae blocks Kerset
  
• (Torque checks klick, only in case torque survived the night and got no result)

After today we will have 2scum/5or6 town alive.

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d4

Farkran and Chemist are always dead today. Torque, Luna and Norwee might be dead or cleared today.

Did a no kill happen while kerset was blocked?
+ We lynch Kerset.

• We lynch (Kerset) > Norwee > Torque > Luna > klick > power.
  
• (If norwee is alive and his shot doesn't cause potential endgame, kills the first player still alive in the d4 lynch pool)

After today we have 2scum and 3to5 town alive.

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d5

Farkran, Chemist and Torque are always dead today. Luna, Norwee, klick, kerset and one more player might be dead or cleared today.

• We lynch FL > Alisae > power > Marshal

If at this point we haven't hit scum yet, we only lose if there are 2 scum in Alisae/power/Marshal, otherwise we go on

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d6

Farkran, Chemist, Torque, FL and Norwee are always dead or cleared today. Luna, Norwee, klick, kerset and two more players might be dead or cleared today.

• We lynch Alisae > power > Marshal

We only lose if there is 1 scum in power/Marshal and we were unable to clear enough town in the process.

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The names of {Farkran, Luna, Chemist, Kerset} are always interchangeable before clearing.
The names of {Alisae, FL, Marshal} are interchangeable as soon as Alisae runs out of shots.

Complex stuff but it should give us more than 80% EV. It also takes into account reads and plausibility because the most suspicious people will be executed or cleared first. It can be partially foiled by multitasking scum roleblockers/stopper/ascetic but not by much.

It is implausible that more PRs exist at this point, but if they do we lynch through conflicting PRs first.

stickin too the plan

This

[Farkran]

Ready to end the day anytime

[Farkran]

Yesh, good job luna. Sorry for scumreading you, i still need to learn a lot as well.

Torque was quiet mvp of this game.

Incidentally i think this is true, although saudade made for an awesome d1 one way or the other.

[Farkran]

Congrats guys

I really enjoyed playing in this game and I regret not being able to play it out to the end. I'm sorry for replacing out. Churros did an excellent job in my slot, thanks for coming in.

Alisae and Farkran, you were both a lot of fun to play with and I'd love to play again sometime.

Thank you, and very well done to Churros from me too.

[Farkran]

Churros is an excellent communicator, a skill that i really need to get better at. The read on FL was also good, but he wasn't the first to get it - he was indeed the first to fully believe in it, explain it clearly and convince other people that it was the only thing that made sense though.

[Farkran]

Maybe you’re right but I personally don’t want to get locked into a PR claim, and I feel like a hammer won’t be coming extremely soon

Eragon

I'm kinda sorry that he rolled scum and was caught so early though, i feel like he didn't completely deserve it and i would rather have played with him as town some more

[Farkran]

Farkran please lose a game

I can't

Need to tryhard more

[Farkran]

I'm in two games as a hydra though so i might lose these, but i will blame the other heads if i lose (and won't count them in my score regardless of outcome)

[Farkran]

I mean i'm queued in 2 games as a hydra, they haven't started yet.

Alisae why aren't you starting the hydra thing, i'm literally out of games right now

[Farkran]

He didn't want

[Farkran]

Good, that's appropriate

[Farkran]

Sounds easy, i just have to recruit outside of that game playerlist. Nothing in the rules forbids that.

[Farkran]

I mean i'm queued in 2 games as a hydra, they haven't started yet.

Alisae why aren't you starting the hydra thing, i'm literally out of games right now

I still need to design the game :c

Uhm... shall i join something else in the meanwhile?

[Farkran]

So, i'm out of games and we're trying to start this micro game hosted by RC, it sounds fun and only requires 8 players. 3 slots are already in, 5 more to fill at the time of this post.