Mini 2123: Greatest Idea IX - Game Over

[Kerset]

I was finally first person to join a game and I didn't get number 1 spot on player list. So unfair.

[Kerset]

The following cards have been discarded:

Player Name	Discard
TemporalLich	Werewolf Tracker
Titus	Alien Bulletproof Lover
TrueSoulEnergy	Town Compulsive Bodyguard
EspressoPatronum	Mafia Ninja
GlowingOvineChimes	Vanilla Townie
BBmolla	Tentacled Townie
Kerset	Serial Killer Alien-Immune
Non lmh	Vanilla Townie
Sujimichi	Mafia Goon
Untrod Tripod	Hirsute Goon
Yshtola Rhul	Town Cop
SirCakez	Werewolf Cop
Cat Scratch Fever	Alpha Werewolf

Fuck CSF.
You would have been a great Alpha Werewolf.

He couldn't be alpha werewolf. You need to combine two cards.

[Kerset]

TSE's discard worries me - it's a role that's godawful as scum but not that bad as town

Dying for sake of others in role madness?
So lame VOTE: temporal

[Kerset]

Am I like the only person that likes being town?

[Kerset]

Has anyone played with anyone else from this game in other games?

Just bbmola, TL

[Kerset]

I like how everyone is just saying 'I had better role'.

[Kerset]

I like how everyone is just saying 'I had better role'.

What does this tell you?

That the question was obvious

[Kerset]

Are you pushing claims again? Its not cool.

[Kerset]

He claims that he got akin from a new card. Is it incorrect?

[Kerset]

Would someone pick really pick Alien here? The main buff of powerful ability is denied here but weakness remains.

My previous question remains.

[Kerset]

You are like mafia but you are only allowed to make fractional kill once.

[Kerset]

Do you mean that in picking alien alignment, you lose out on the possibility of getting their powers?

Yes, their superior abilities are their perk.

[Kerset]

Cat Scratch are you trying to fool us?

[Kerset]

okay, I'm just going to claim
I'm jk compulsive hider

So you could prevent nightkill with your hide ability but instead you insist to announce it? What is the point of revealing that you are immortal during night? The whole advantage of your power is that scum might waste kill on you.

[Kerset]

Wild card can be town or benign 3P

But I think Nom is scum anyway based on votes

If Non Imh really used the wild card for alignment, his alignment would've always been town, not randomized.

... that's not how the wild card works

You can just ask Micc. He has clarified this in a past game.

I highly doubt Non actually used wild card as his alignment without knowing how it works. He's scum.

He claims that he got akin from a new card. Is it incorrect?

Cat Scratch are you trying to fool us?

What?

still unanswered

[Kerset]

If he were scum, he could very well lie.

This is true. However, if she were Town she could also lie. I was wanting you to tell me your thoughts on why you think that she

would

lie. What benefit does it give her?

What do you hope to glean from this line of questioning?

Your intent behind supporting EspressoPatronum's thoughts with regard to the probability of this occurring, and the genuineness of your thought process as to why Yshtola Rhul would lie.

I will note that you have attempted to dodge my question by asking a question of your own. Would you please answer?

LoL You could say that GOC was trying to check "genuineness of Y'shtola thought process". He asked what is the point of your question because its stupid Suji.

[Kerset]

LoL You could say that GOC was trying to check "genuineness of Y'shtola thought process". He asked what is the point of your question because its stupid Suji.

One could say that, but she did not. Sometimes how someone arrives at their answer is just as important, if not more so, than the answer itself. Why did you feel the need to interject here?

It is bad for everyone, if you generate scumreads in incorrect way and i feel that this was the case here.

[Kerset]

I have odd suspicion that people lolhammer mechanics which they don't understand.

[Kerset]

then finally answer 237

[Kerset]

The question that should answered is 172. The question you mention is reminder that 172 is awaiting.
If Titus thinks that "If Non Imh really used the wild card for alignment, his alignment would've always been town, not randomized." then he can feel free to argue with me. If not then he shouldn't say that i am wrong.

[Kerset]

Wow bbmola got quite crappy cards: Tentacled, Conspiracy Theorist and one of {vanillia, mason, cBG}.

[Kerset]

Was his blood tasty?

[Kerset]

CSF day 1 was really concerning.

[Kerset]

bc he ignored me and Espresso leaving his vote as it was

[Kerset]

Just a request to not end this day early...we are already down 3 town

With TL claim, i think that we will end this quickly. Y'shtola was clearly killed by scum bc of power role.

[Kerset]

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

[Kerset]

If TL is lyncher then he got rly lucky.

[Kerset]

UNVOTE:
Things get spicy

[Kerset]

Why did you roleblock the best TI in this game?

[Kerset]

nvm i am dumb it is csf not tl who got blocked

[Kerset]

tbh strongman is a thing here

[Kerset]

Titus, trees can't vote

[Kerset]

Kerset, why do scum have a strongman?

To bypass doc, roleblock and jailkeep? Because csf has alpha on discard and it sucks on nonwerewolf scum? Because god of randomness decided so?

[Kerset]

Kerset, why do scum have a strongman?

To bypass doc, roleblock and jailkeep? Because csf has alpha on discard and it sucks on nonwerewolf scum? Because god of randomness decided so?

And you suppose all those are town because?

What did you do last night?

Who is town?

I did nothing last night.

[Kerset]

Are you aware that you can pick bloodsucker as your power and pick other card as alignment?

[Kerset]

Cat why aren't you stating whenever you were blocked?

[Kerset]

If TL lied then the real killer was aware of it and he is the most likely to call this out. I doubt that pink would gamble on fakeblocking you but your account might matter in the future.

[Kerset]

Does the number of scum change the fact that we need to pick correctly? We need to decide which one is scum no matter how far are we from mylo.

[Kerset]

Does the number of scum change the fact that we need to pick correctly? We need to decide which one is scum no matter how far are we from mylo.

Which do you believe is lying?

Not sure, TL seems like he is improvising here but from my experience his gameplay is awkward normally.
Cat is the most scummy here, which could be tiebreaker. Strongman would be the most convenient explanation here.

[Kerset]

She doesn't have town mindset.

[Kerset]

It's hard to prove alone. 284 is an example

[Kerset]

Who didn't fast night?

[Kerset]

From 3 kills to 1 is a bit odd. Would SK kill only on n1?

[Kerset]

Keep in mind that bloodsuck prevents fractional killing

[Kerset]

alingment: Vanilla Townie
ability: Town One-Shot Dayvig

I guess then Suji is next

[Kerset]

Seal > Cat

[Kerset]

In addition, I know the roles of PB and SirCakez. We'll get more value from the massclaim if we leave these 3 to the end.

In which order did you check them?

[Kerset]

@kerset did you use your shot?

What kind of question is that? Did you see anyone dieing during day...?

[Kerset]

Kill: Cat Scratch Fever

Yea I actually intended to do so

[Kerset]

I guess he is on birthday party. You can ask for VC, if you want to check him.

[Kerset]

VOTE: temporallich

I was wondering. Why did you start the day with TL vote? You just checked that he isn't werewolf at previous night.

[Kerset]

There is still unknown Titus n1 action

[Kerset]

Sircakez is confirmed to be seer and that he visited member of mafia on n1. He wouldn't visit maf as maf and he wouldn't pick seer as ww so he is top town for me.

[Kerset]

ech we can't check for mafia alingment. We only got seer

[Kerset]

If there are 2 scum left and we don't intent to block GOC then we might end up 2v1v1 tomorrow. That is instalos for town.

[Kerset]

in case of no lynch

[Kerset]

So all that you want to find out about by stalling is whenever suji is a real watcher? What if our rolecop gets killed?

[Kerset]

I mean suji can say that you or me killed him and that is our intel.

[Kerset]

So all that you want to find out about by stalling is whenever suji is a real watcher? What if our rolecop gets killed?

How does the rolecop gets killed if I roleblock the only player with a nightkill right now

Possibilities:
1. GOC is last scum. It means that lynching him today ends this game.
2. GOC is not the last scum. It means that there is other player capable of killing and he can kill rolecop.

[Kerset]

Titus fullclaim?

[Kerset]

Titus fullclaim?

I am the dead treestump.

also your night 1 action still got through

[Kerset]

VOTE: GlowingOvineChimes
no lynch has no merit

[Kerset]

I am explaining that this whole day

[Kerset]

Kerset are you the remaining scum or you don't read what I post?

I checked it all and there was no merit.

1. GOC is last scum. It means that lynching him today ends this game.
2. GOC is not the last scum. It means that there is other player capable of killing and he can kill rolecop.

If we lynch during this day then you can check another person by blocking them.
Also by gating Watcher you exclude the possibility that he catches scumkill. He is just downgraded to the point where he is not even clearing you as this game has mutitasking.

[Kerset]

seriously gating watcher is so dumb

[Kerset]

wooooow we learned so much from no lynching, suji didn't fake claim after seeing rolecop and he is not ww.
They only thing that bothers me is why would scum gamble. It wasn't certain whenever suji watches EP or GOC. Pink would be slightly safer pick and he got highly cleared. We got 5 ppl, 4 after lynch. If vig uses his ability then he will prevent lylo from happening under 33% raw chance of winning. He wasn't important enough to risk instalosing, assuming that there was a risk.

[Kerset]

The problem of this yall is that you all favor sheeping. You only find evidence against people, who take effort to play this game and punish everyone for attempting to play this in other way then being a sheep.

[Kerset]

I am processing this, don't BoP me.

[Kerset]

better tell me why did scum target GOC

[Kerset]

I am not referring to whole game not this single day.

[Kerset]

What is your point? We are in multiball.

[Kerset]

I am not referring to whole game not this single day.

I meant: I am referring to whole game not this single day. XD

[Kerset]

uh yea, if you see contradiction here then it means that word 'sheep' has different meaning in our dictionaries. I can use term follower, if sheep bothers you.
Follow the cop is a valid strategy in this game but leaves no player interaction and makes games unreadable after cop death. It contributes to victory but it is also unhealthily.
I am not sure whenever you want to nitpick me or actually understand.

[Kerset]

The problem of this yall is that you all favor sheeping. You only find evidence against people, who take effort to play this game and punish everyone for attempting to play this in other way then being a sheep.

But I get the "it works towards wincon until it doesn't" narrative, but that assumes that sheep are just following and not thinking. That's my two scents.

Instead of listening to me you just pull your own narrative. I am trying to tell that sheeping deprived this game from analyzable content. People can't find scum in game in which most of players didn't have relevant interactions. As result people suspect all few remaining actions by PoE.

[Kerset]

pinky if you want anything then question from

They only thing that bothers me is why would scum gamble. It wasn't certain whenever suji watches EP or GOC. Pink would be slightly safer pick and he got highly cleared. We got 5 ppl, 4 after lynch. If vig uses his ability then he will prevent lylo from happening under 33% raw chance of winning. He wasn't important enough to risk instalosing, assuming that there was a risk.

remains open (i am not attacking you, in case you find me hostile)

[Kerset]

Sheeping is analyzable content tho

I disagree. That is common tactic in Assassin in the Palace, which prevents assassin from winning

[Kerset]

Who do you think is the remaining scum betwee Suji and EP?

Well i can't think of explanation, why would scum risk being seen by suji but by gut i would rather lean on ep.

[Kerset]

It'd make sense for aliens to kill the vig claim asap, as aliens get one factional kill per game vs the vig's infinite. It'd also help explain why there was only one kill on N2.

Well i asked mod and if two remaining players are 1 town and 1 alien without a kill ability then

nobody

will win.
If alien used his kill as last scum then he made himself unable to win anymore...
There would have to be a player, who decided to play the worst alignment AND was completely carefree to the point where he throw away his win condition. I don't believe that.

[Kerset]

And Kerset's content today has just felt like flailing scum rather then genuine town gamesolving. I'm p much ready to lynch there.

Its not like there is content about anyone else beside me and pink.

[Kerset]

You are obviously tunneled on me. What are still waiting for? If you don't care about arguments being made here (748 not 749), then vote me and after flip you will learn that your scumhunt is crap. Its not like talking will change you.

[Kerset]

lameee i give you riddle and you run away from it.

[Kerset]

pinky if you want anything then question from

They only thing that bothers me is why would scum gamble. It wasn't certain whenever suji watches EP or GOC. Pink would be slightly safer pick and he got highly cleared. We got 5 ppl, 4 after lynch. If vig uses his ability then he will prevent lylo from happening under 33% raw chance of winning. He wasn't important enough to risk instalosing, assuming that there was a risk.

remains open (i am not attacking you, in case you find me hostile)

pinky if you want anything then question from

They only thing that bothers me is why would scum gamble. It wasn't certain whenever suji watches EP or GOC. Pink would be slightly safer pick and he got highly cleared. We got 5 ppl, 4 after lynch. If vig uses his ability then he will prevent lylo from happening under 33% raw chance of winning. He wasn't important enough to risk instalosing, assuming that there was a risk.

remains open (i am not attacking you, in case you find me hostile)

Re 705 - I think we're looking for an alien.

It'd make sense for aliens to kill the vig claim asap, as aliens get one factional kill per game vs the vig's infinite. It'd also help explain why there was only one kill on N2.

It'd make sense for aliens to kill the vig claim asap, as aliens get one factional kill per game vs the vig's infinite. It'd also help explain why there was only one kill on N2.

Well i asked mod and if two remaining players are 1 town and 1 alien without a kill ability then

nobody

will win.
If alien used his kill as last scum then he made himself unable to win anymore...
There would have to be a player, who decided to play the worst alignment AND was completely carefree to the point where he throw away his win condition. I don't believe that.

[Kerset]

of course i am the one lynched

[Kerset]

of course i am the one lynched

I mean you're the one closest to being lynched, but it doesn't really matter.

Wanna be part of the MyLo experiment? We can lynch Suji instead.

I am fine with it. Feel free to block me.

[Kerset]

i just happen to be survivalistic, not scummy you bully ;_;

[Kerset]

Sooo Suji, you want us to trust you and leave alive & unblocked. Then when kill happens and you reach F3, you want us to believe that you haven't done this kill and instead lynch person which you choose hoping that you say the truth? Especially that in F3 there will be either pink ball or mechanically cleared person which pink ball blocked in n4, so i can already guess that you will call out Cakez.

[Kerset]

VOTE: sujimichi

[Kerset]

pls no nightkilling me
I am a cute survivor, i am just trying live peaceful life.

[Kerset]

Kerset's likely alien if scum given UT shot me and I was tunneled on Kerset.

You were bloodsucked by werewolf

[Kerset]

I don't get EP why would you claim to be not blocked, when you had nonkilling action to verify it. You should get no result from rolecopping.
VOTE: EP

[Kerset]

Well i asked mod and if two remaining players are 1 town and 1 alien without a kill ability then

nobody

will win.
If alien used his kill as last scum then he made himself unable to win anymore...
There would have to be a player, who decided to play the worst alignment AND was completely carefree to the point where he throw away his win condition. I don't believe that.

If there is an alien then he is retarded and i am not such person

[Kerset]

You can ask mod, if you don't trust me but any alien can't win here.

[Kerset]

You would need cakez or pink to be survivor out of sudden and somehow inform me pre night 3 to give it any sense -.-

[Kerset]

No one claims survivor ever, because town has no reason to let survivors live...

[Kerset]

as you see i am alive and he is dead

[Kerset]

BBmola misplayed and claimed surv which got him killed by vigilante. I am not careless like that. This is greatest idea don't hope for clean balance.
Why do you think that i claimed surv in first place? To avoid roleblock? To avoid being lynched today? All i wanted was not to get killed on night when i get cleared.

[Kerset]

If kill happens after my lynch then you are done. Anyone can be SK here.

[Kerset]

I didn't scumside, i vote EP with you. Anyway as you see cakez claiming surv is bad.

[Kerset]

That case being that he claimed Surv
There's already a dead Surv and

no one waits until day five to claim that

I was referring to this.

[Kerset]

Look in normal case when i am roleblocked the most likely scenario was that i will be the one who gets killed. If anyone beside me dies then i am conftown, so kill would clearly went at me. It has nothing to do with scumsiding -.- i just can't let get myself killed ;_;

[Kerset]

The Win Conditions are...

• Town
  : You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and there is at least one Town player alive, or if nothing can prevent such a scenario.
  
• Mafia
  : You win when all threats to the Mafia have been eliminated and there is at least one Mafia player alive, or if nothing can prevent such a scenario.
  
• Werewolf
  : You win when all threats to the Werewolves have been eliminated and there is at least one Werewolf player alive, or if nothing can prevent such a scenario.
  
• Alien
  : You win when all threats to the Aliens have been eliminated and there is at least one Alien player alive, or if nothing can prevent such a scenario.
  
• Survivor
  : You win if the game ends and you are alive.
  
• Lyncher
  : You win if (your target) is lynched with you on the wagon. If you are unsuccessful, you lose. If your result occurs before the game ends, you will be removed from the game, and it will continue as long as it would otherwise not end.
  
• Serial Killer
  : You win when one of the following are true:
  1. All threats to you have been eliminated and you are still alive, or if nothing can prevent such a scenario.
  2. All threats to you have been eliminated and your death occurred in the most recent game phase, or if nothing can prevent such a scenario.

If there is one townie, one survivor and one scum left then the game will continue. The scum wincon is not parity.

[Kerset]

I actually bet on pink SK, so i feel betrayed

[Kerset]

credit shall to me

[Kerset]

@mod Who wins if no kills or lynches are being made for few phases a row?

[Kerset]

I don't believe in anything. I mechanically know that he is not mafia, werewolf, alien or lyncher. Thats fine for me.

[Kerset]

He is not mafia, because he wouldn't frame his only partner at day 2. It only clears him from being maf and still leaves ww/alien/sk as possibility. It is not worth sacrificing 50% of your team.
He is not werewolf, because werewolfs didn't make fractional kill on night 2. There is no other explanation for that then PB blocking UT.
He is not an alien, because he is not the kind of player that would underplay (as i explained before). Picking alien in general here is awful as you pick weak fraction as alignment and waste powerful ability.
If there would be any lyncher, it would act yesterday.
Anyone can be SK here really and i don't see anything aside discards that could lean towards someone being or not being one. Lack of kills doesn't favor anyone.

[Kerset]

I'm sorry if this ending feels unsatisfactory for anyone, and hope that you all were able to get some enjoyment from playing despite the ending.

I feel huge satisfaction from this ending.

[Kerset]

so sad that Non lmh, who got OP role was lynched n1

[Kerset]

also survivor finding actual alien on n1!?