Open 775: Hard-Boiled Eggs [Game Over]

[DkKoba]

Hello, this is my first non newbie game.

I'm going to go ahead and VOTE: Aloratom[/vpte]

That's what you get for calling me bad in the last game we played together in >:(

So are there any established strategies for this setup or what do we do? I can already think of 1 potential strategy giving it a quick glance but I wanted to ask those more experienced what they thought.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Aloratom I guess I can't spell.

[DkKoba]

So are there any established strategies for this setup or what do we do? I can already think of 1 potential strategy giving it a quick glance but I wanted to ask those more experienced what they thought.

Pfffft, I love how this seems both humble and arrogant at the same time xD
If you have any ideas, just say them

reading through role PMs, we should all hypo as hider with a target, or just have real hider claim sometime d1 and lead.

[DkKoba]

Well...having read some of ejjinami's old games....I stand corrected. If anything, this is slightly more mellow and chilled out than normal.

Although I couldn't see any games with you as scum to really test the theory - any suggestions?

Unvote: ejjinami

Let's try

Vote: Dkkoba

I'm not convinced by "Hello, this is my first non-newbie game". It reads a bit like "please don't lynch me, I'm new".

Furthermore, I can see this isn't your first non-newbie game. Why lie?

Subbing in and merely sitting there and making sure I don't become lynchbait doesn't really count to me
My scum game is much more elaborate and more depends on me trusting my partner with the game as my goal is to sniff out PR in most cases.

[DkKoba]

Mmk so while hypo is a nice idea it's not necessary. Best chance for town is mathdinos strat in 487.

-hider claims late d1 without dropping reads/does not claim who they are hiding behind.

-tracker/vig chooses tracker and tracks hider.

-det/psych holds claim till late game if at all possible

This changes if tracker/vig is going to be lynched d1. In that case they take vig and shoot the scummiest target, hider moves freely.

This is the natural conclusion I met. I have a scum strategy that would help scum in terms of mechs but I'd rather keep that to myself. I'll share my thoughts on strategy later, as it is one of my strong suits in open setups.

[DkKoba]

People should stop talking about roles, it doesn't benefit village and gives the werewolves more information than they deserve about who is or isn't what role. If you feel the need to discuss the setup, do so in a way that doesn't spew you as not X role. Hider outing is a terrible idea, optimal play for hider is to hide behind their strongest townread each night unless that player is vulnerable to a nightkill and if hider outs then it becomes very simple to narrow down who they are going to visit at night. Vigilante is also a lot more power for town than tracker, and the vigilante should be shooting the counterwagon each night, so as long as the vigilante is doing their job there should never be any real risk of the vigilante inadvertently hitting the hider. Detective/psychologist is going to have false positives with a vigilante around but that should never be a serious issue when claims happen, as long as they are sensible and don't out on day 2 or day 3 if they happen to get an early result.

How much experience do you have with open setups and strategy?

I have played on Epicamafia for the past 4 years and they exclusively use open setups on there thus having a preset strategy/strategy set for each setup is common.

I would like to hear your logic behind this.

I think the "it'll give mafia info" is bullshit. setup strategy spec is important to hash out early on as to optimize what we can do mechanically. I think I'm going to also park my vote onto you until you give me a satisfactory answer that makes me feel like you're not just trying to mislead town to do suboptimal things VOTE: happyorange

[DkKoba]

How much experience do you have with open setups and strategy?

I have played on Epicamafia for the past 4 years and they exclusively use open setups on there thus having a preset strategy/strategy set for each setup is common.

What do you think of Tet's strategy?

I vibe with it, although it can use an optimization

[DkKoba]

Playing chat mafia for as long as I have, people who are marked as clears who lead almost always claim early, and that is the meta I have been accustomed to as it has worked well there. It's been discussed before on there, and its been agreed upon that letting town waste time pressuring someone who is going to be outted as clear is time wasted that could have been used to pressure a mafia.

[DkKoba]

Madoka, why do you think Orange is suspicious for arguing something so obviously wrong, and anti-town, when it was already pretty clear the consensus was against him?

I'm not convinced yet Orange would stick his neck out like that for no reason if he was scum, much more likely to fade into background agreeing with majority.

Not going to elaborate on Hiraki read yet, as still possible he/she will give off some tells. But wanted to reflect initial view, largely as a reminder for me later.

If something speaks like scum, then it probably is scum. From my experience at least. I implore people to put pressure on orange and make them explain themselves. I am personally not satisfied with their logic as all it does it help setup mafia and invalidate PRs

[DkKoba]

Votes orange even harder

[DkKoba]

dkkoba, you're not wrong about the logic, obviously. You might be right about orange, but I'm not convinced for the moment. I think the idea that putting pressure on orange to "explain themselves" is a fools errand - clearly orange can't explain it satisfactorily, so you're setting him up to fail.

I'm keeping my vote on you for now. Not buying the aggression and over-confidence in your read.

I'm half pressed to just vote you because you don't have an avi. Being aggressive and confident are traits of good players. I suggest you stand down unless you want me to hyperfocus you for your unwarranted shade.

[DkKoba]

townread me and you're immune from a deathtunnel from me today xoxo

[DkKoba]

i townread you dkkoba

wise choice my friend

[DkKoba]

the tracker doesn't go on the hider in order to confirm the hider ya dunce

[DkKoba]

Madoka, why do you think Orange is suspicious for arguing something so obviously wrong, and anti-town, when it was already pretty clear the consensus was against him?

I don't agree that it's obvious to everyone that it's anti-town. I also think it's risk-reward is worth it. The advantage of not having town play to the optimal strategy of 45 and getting the TV to choose Vig is worth potentially being cast in a bad light, especially because Orange is clearly confident in their ability to argue against the strategy. (I openly guide town into following a bad strategy myself as scum).

You might be right - my sense is that he joined the party too late for it to be very likely he could turn the tide on that, so still feels pretty bold to me (but possible he could just be scum).

However, based on higher likelihood of dkkoba scum, something to come back to later.

Hey bud, you gonna shade me for good reason or are you just going to be a coward and FoS me based on my confidence in my play?

[DkKoba]

Mmk so while hypo is a nice idea it's not necessary. Best chance for town is mathdinos strat in 487.

-hider claims late d1 without dropping reads/does not claim who they are hiding behind.

-tracker/vig chooses tracker and tracks hider.

-det/psych holds claim till late game if at all possible

This changes if tracker/vig is going to be lynched d1. In that case they take vig and shoot the scummiest target, hider moves freely.

Agree with DK. Tracking hider is a waste. Otherwise sounds reasopnable.

I think you misspoke here. Care to elaborate?

[DkKoba]

I don't like the Battle Mage vs DkKoba conflict. Both feel like egotistical players not willing to back down from a challenge. Either could be scum or town from what I've seen. I really don't understand battle mage's argument that because dkkoba said he's new but is also aggressive that means he's scum, though.

That wasn't my argument. The argument is basically:

Dkkoba very aggressive/emotional language and very confident about reads.
Dkkoba has little reason to be that confident in reads, so I'm not convinced it's legit.
The fact Dkkoba started the game passive and became aggressive very quickly is also odd. Although that could be a personality trait perhaps.

Does it mean he's

definitely

scum? Of course not, but at this stage it's a good enough reason for a vote.

I think there's some merit to the suggestion that Allomancer has been pretty non-committal so far, and playing very safe.

Allomancer, care to share some early insights?

And I echo post 118 - Hiraki, what are you talking about?

Before i think about replying imma point out my pronoun is right there under my avi, not hard to see.

[DkKoba]

In my experience with DkKoba, this is normal for them so I don't have a scum read there.

I don't understand the Allomancer wagon. 72offsuit, why do you go after It for "all information, no reads" when that's pretty much what everyone had been doing to that point? And Dolittle slides a vote in on Allomancer too without even a how ya doin'.

I don't like the Battle Mage vs DkKoba conflict. Both feel like egotistical players not willing to back down from a challenge. Either could be scum or town from what I've seen. I really don't understand battle mage's argument that because dkkoba said he's new but is also aggressive that means he's scum, though.

That wasn't my argument. The argument is basically:

Dkkoba very aggressive/emotional language and very confident about reads.
Dkkoba has little reason to be that confident in reads, so I'm not convinced it's legit.
The fact Dkkoba started the game passive and became aggressive very quickly is also odd. Although that could be a personality trait perhaps.

Does it mean he's

definitely

scum? Of course not, but at this stage it's a good enough reason for a vote.

I think there's some merit to the suggestion that Allomancer has been pretty non-committal so far, and playing very safe.

Allomancer, care to share some early insights?

I feel like the fact that Dkkoba is new makes it more likely he's confident, because new players could easily be overconfident. I know I was when I joined this site.

As for why I was setup speccing, it's because it was early in the game and I didn't have any reads yet.

I'm confident bc I have 4 years of mafia experience, not bc I'm new.

[DkKoba]

orange frozen

[DkKoba]

I unironically think orange is scum here btw.

[DkKoba]

I'm their partner and I'm hardbussing them please lynch them.

[DkKoba]

battle mage what do you think about me claiming mafia with orange and that I'm bussing them.

[DkKoba]

I really don't see any town reasoning behind Dkkoba's recent posts.
VOTE: DkKoba

ok noob

[DkKoba]

how orange isn't talking right now...
is a little concerning.


drdolittle should talk more too.
ejjinami being the only one pushing orange with me makes me want to switch off now.
rereading, I think I'll put allo at L-2.

VOTE: allomancer

[DkKoba]

allo wanna explain why you're defending orange so hard btw?

[DkKoba]

allo wanna explain why you're defending orange so hard btw?

I wouldn't call one post questioning a reason for scumreading him "defending so hard".

considering you're attempting to counterwagon onto me, yeah, I'd say that's a hardcore defense.

[DkKoba]

My pronouns are they/them, I've said it multiple times before, please respect it

[DkKoba]

scum -> town list

orange, allo, Tet, ejj, ico, alo, battle mage, looker, drdolittle, hiraki, madoka, 72, me

no i will not be accepting criticism.

[DkKoba]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
i don't know....
doesn't look like my SRs want to ellaborate
eventually we have to do something??

[DkKoba]

This whole game is a soup of ??? but at this rate I'll probably end up voting hiraki at the end of the day, don't know if their weird attempts to gaslight mage by calling them an idiot then insisting they aren't being rude by doing so actually make them a wolf given the way people seem to be behaving in general in this game, but I can see a world where they're going the discredit etc route as a wolf either because they want to make it easier to mislynch mage or because they want to dumpster mage's thread standing. Don't see any reason for them to do it as village other than out of simple mean spiritedness. Don't really know what my read on mage is, think I'd probably be townreading them if it weren't for the peformative way they've been engaging with people. Don't know if they're consciously presenting themselves in a performative manner or if I'm just perceiving their personality that way, or something else.

you seem to be misisng a lot of train of thought to get to this point which makes me further believe you are being coached in scum PT. you haven't really responded at all to me and now you're on the defense for mage. as I've seen people actually start to vote for you I'm going to now follow

[DkKoba]

VOTE: orange

[DkKoba]

Something obviously not right with the Orange wagon. Came a bit out of nowhere, given he was considered very suspicious early on, then it sort of died down, and now since I made the compelling case against Hiraki-scum, and Allomancer teetered on the brink, the orange-wagon got a second wind (with the most suspicious players moving over).

Does that mean Orange is town? Seems unlikely his buddies would bus him for no reason, so gut says still likely to be town.

Which means I won't be joining the wagon, and worth noting Dkkoba-scum dutifully following the lead of his boss Hiraki-scum. Hiraki, naturally, giving no reason for his vote.

I'm just going to put it as nicely as possible, but your reading skills are not good here. I think you are town, just that you are playing badly.

[DkKoba]

There's a term for that DkKoba!

I'm being nice ok!

[DkKoba]

I'm going to be active now since a game I'm hosting on a different site is approaching hammer time so I want to be there to flip it ~~ lets talk

[DkKoba]

I'm not interested in voting orange.

why

[DkKoba]

I'm not interested in voting orange.

why

Just because I'm not responding to your branches doesn't mean I'm scum madoka

That's not why I think you're scum. I can't follow your thoughts and you're just posting fluff.

hello DDL can you respond

[DkKoba]

People should stop talking about roles, it doesn't benefit village and gives the werewolves more information than they deserve about who is or isn't what role. If you feel the need to discuss the setup, do so in a way that doesn't spew you as not X role. Hider outing is a terrible idea, optimal play for hider is to hide behind their strongest townread each night unless that player is vulnerable to a nightkill and if hider outs then it becomes very simple to narrow down who they are going to visit at night. Vigilante is also a lot more power for town than tracker, and the vigilante should be shooting the counterwagon each night, so as long as the vigilante is doing their job there should never be any real risk of the vigilante inadvertently hitting the hider. Detective/psychologist is going to have false positives with a vigilante around but that should never be a serious issue when claims happen, as long as they are sensible and don't out on day 2 or day 3 if they happen to get an early result.

This whole game is a soup of ??? but at this rate I'll probably end up voting hiraki at the end of the day, don't know if their weird attempts to gaslight mage by calling them an idiot then insisting they aren't being rude by doing so actually make them a wolf given the way people seem to be behaving in general in this game, but I can see a world where they're going the discredit etc route as a wolf either because they want to make it easier to mislynch mage or because they want to dumpster mage's thread standing. Don't see any reason for them to do it as village other than out of simple mean spiritedness. Don't really know what my read on mage is, think I'd probably be townreading them if it weren't for the peformative way they've been engaging with people. Don't know if they're consciously presenting themselves in a performative manner or if I'm just perceiving their personality that way, or something else.

These are town posts

more like they're a whole bunch of nothing. What about orange freezing up and refusing to respond to pressure on them? Like I said, they're playing very frozen.

[DkKoba]

Also I have a surprise read I may reveal sometime tonight, I just want to let some more of this discussion play out before i do

[DkKoba]

ok should I do it now

[DkKoba]

I'm going to literally burst soon, I need people here to interact with now. I'm bored af

[DkKoba]

ok I've had enough. deadline is 40% over and I think it's time

I hardclaim hider

Hiraki you wont need to fight for it with a clear on your side.

[DkKoba]

Hiraki you wont need to fight for it with a clear on your side.

Actually, yes I will? This isn't epicmafia bub.

not sure what this was supposed to mean but works just the same as it does in EM, just different vote mechanics lmao. if the table wants to strongarm a vote, thats on them!

[DkKoba]

anyways would be nice to see what battle mage has to say

[DkKoba]

orange who do you think is scummy right now

[DkKoba]

This is a remarkably safe post - if you were short on time, it would probably have been quicker to say what you thought, rather than go to the effort of talking around it. Tet-Hiraki scumpair could work, but would require Orange to be town.

Just saying I think Hiraki is scum doesn't get me to my end goal of identifying town unfortunately. And in a game where many slots are making a case for why they should be lynched instead of projecting that they are in fact town, it's important to find a distinction. Or at least separate slots that are doing so because they are simply scum from the ones that are doing so intentionally. The latter likely being town.

This line comes off as a whole lot of nonsense.

[DkKoba]

Tet - I'd vote you for being so opaque if I hadn't already found scum for today!

Who is scum?

[DkKoba]

This is a remarkably safe post - if you were short on time, it would probably have been quicker to say what you thought, rather than go to the effort of talking around it. Tet-Hiraki scumpair could work, but would require Orange to be town.

Just saying I think Hiraki is scum doesn't get me to my end goal of identifying town unfortunately. And in a game where many slots are making a case for why they should be lynched instead of projecting that they are in fact town, it's important to find a distinction. Or at least separate slots that are doing so because they are simply scum from the ones that are doing so intentionally. The latter likely being town.

This line comes off as a whole lot of nonsense.

In what way? Or do you really mean it doesn't seem genuine?

it seems genuinely scummy

[DkKoba]

Is there any merit to suggesting that the hider not give out reads? From my way of looking at it, it just narrows down the field for the mafia to target for a double kill.

If I go on my scumread, it eliminates a scummy player so I don't think it's too bad. But I'm going to go more hands off rn to let others lead now. I just wanted to let people push on me and let them explain themselves why and then drop it on them that I'm clear so that they stop wasting time if they are town, and can be crossexamined to determine if they were scum pushing it.

[DkKoba]

@Tet: Quack??

@Looker: I stand corrected. So te only game we had together was Menalque's Favourite Places?

@DkK: Please drop any other site's meta. On MafiaScum even a mod-confirmed Innocent Child doesn't necessarily have good reads (and rightfully so). Note: This does NOT mean I SR Hiraki. I am just saying your guess is as good as any regarding who is whom, and especially so in D1.

Open setups are open setups, sorry bud but that's a no. Also that 2nd sentence you wrote to me comes off as you just bullshitting and saying a bunch of nothing. What's your point in trying to explain that a clear can have bad reads? Have you been reading the game and concluded that I have not contributed anything positive or meaningful, or are you just scum bullshitting so you can discredit me as a PR?

[DkKoba]

Not enough people voting for Hiraki here... Would be great if people could explain why, making reference to my watertight case against him!

I'll read and see if I buy the case

did you end up reading?

[DkKoba]

Not enough people voting for Hiraki here... Would be great if people could explain why, making reference to my watertight case against him!

I'll read and see if I buy the case

did you end up reading?

Note: This does NOT mean I SR Hiraki.

Now tell who's not reading (or rather is not

comprehending

what they read).

the vast majority of your posts are filler content so excuse you. Start actually participating, your active lurking is telling. You only said that in a sentence not related to that post and are just now linking it to that as a "gotcha".

[DkKoba]

I'm going to hate on nooby playstyles that are just meant as masks for people's scumplay

[DkKoba]

I don't think you have the authority to call anyone out for a nooby playstyle.

Why is that kiddo?

[DkKoba]

Either you point out something I've done that is legitimately "nooby" this game or you can drop it and go back to actually playing, I have no patience for players who think they know better at a social deduction game because they joined forum site at an earlier date.

[DkKoba]

if you don't vote then your fos's mean jack shit to me

[DkKoba]

@dkkoba, how are you townreading mage?

That was an old read, I'm keeping reads to myself now. now you can hop out my pocket <3

[DkKoba]

I didn't out prematurely. The deadline was 40% done and the discussion was not going in a productive direction(i.e. too focused on me who would be confirmed clear).

[DkKoba]

my only solid tr right now is 72

[DkKoba]

yall be scumreading me you should vote me

idk about yall but .. i really like this post for some reason. I just really do, and I don't see myself lynching DDL today.

[DkKoba]

i still don't trust the rest of yall, the play is sloppy today.

[DkKoba]

hiraki why is 72 not town, why are you shading my strongest TR?

[DkKoba]

yall be scumreading me you should vote me

idk about yall but .. i really like this post for some reason. I just really do, and I don't see myself lynching DDL today.

I don't know what you mean by for some reason, the reason is apparent. It displays a lack of self-preservation. This is well within his scum range. Here's a post from one of his scum games with a similar tone (the bolded):

Can we please just kill DDL and take night as a breather

You’re literally not lynching me and I’ve demonstrated more than enough that I’m town. The fact that you are ok voting for me when DDL has done cluckall the entire game is positive scum equity.

this is slimy af. there's more than 10 days left, and gobbles wants to end the day + I mentioned that I'm not 100 percent available. I'm almost sure gobles is scum this game, and its absurd he's not getting pressure.

in particular look for people who suggest goobles is scum but is not voting there when I flip green.

While we're at it, I'll show a couple of other posts that people might take as town indicative but are within his scum range:

Spoiler: Basing a read off meta

yeah I was updating my pool.
another update:
I think my strongest scumread other than 72 is looker because tonally different from
viewtopic.php?t=81747&f=84&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

check out town goobles here
viewtopic.php?t=80894&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
and tell me this is the same bird

Spoiler: Random town read on a scummy player

I'm not interested in voting orange.

I'm not interested in voting for slimer

(definitely indicates town!Orange if scum!ddl)

ok i take it back. its NAI then. back in the scumpool he goes

[DkKoba]

also im gay

[DkKoba]

if orange doesn't flip scum, I'll self delete.

[DkKoba]

do you tr orange, madoka?

[DkKoba]

we're approaching deadline. I personally want orange, if they claim PR , then go on DrDolittle. I start a 2nd job today so I'm proabably going to be limited access but from my brief reskim that's my conclusion, and my vote will stay on orange. I may or may not be back b4 hammer.

[DkKoba]

i'm about to flash wagon you DDL. why won't you vote orange?

[DkKoba]

also i don't see orange giving any reads on other players, only continuing their defensiveness as far as I see. My brain is fried so maybe I missed it but i'll reread

[DkKoba]

oh, then actual flashwagon on DDL

[DkKoba]

UNVOTE:

[DkKoba]

actually let me reread

[DkKoba]

we're not lynching 72, they're my hardest TR, I don't see what u read as scum at all in them

[DkKoba]

listen I was tired. also damn, I assumed scum had daytalk. that MAY change my reads a little but overall I still want DDL lynched.

[DkKoba]

Eh, never playing another game here imo. Don't think I've been in many places more toxic and completely absent of any sense of empathy or the desire to understand and appreciate others. Makes me feel very grateful for what I have here at home. Pretty glad to be on the way out in this game.

this isn't even toxic, people are just pushing you to read the room and make good decisions. it's a learning process. don't whine and just play

[DkKoba]

VOTE: DDL

[DkKoba]

hiraki stop throwing a fit

[DkKoba]

unvote, vote: DDL

I'll catch up in the morning. no lynching in the meantime please.

suddenly unvoting DDL? when the wagon on him becomes serious?

[DkKoba]

Looker did you miss that Orange claimed psychologist?

it wasn't a very obvious claim, I also ended up missing it in iso

[DkKoba]

?

I assume Looker is trying to get away with pretending to counterclaim without actually doing so hoping village plays along before they have to say anything? Not very interested in a 72 lynch anymore regardless.

Vote: Looker

if u get cc'd you're getting lynched i hope u know that

[DkKoba]

I want battle mage today

i see hiraki desperately trying to shade one of my harder townreads after them doing fuck all on d1(they have a lot of what looks like contribution, but on reread its all garbage.)

i'm not lynching: orange(unless cc'd by one of my TRs), looker, ico, madoka, or 72 today.

[DkKoba]

deadline is soon please consolidate

[DkKoba]

hold up i might be having an epiphany

[DkKoba]

ok
so
the epiphany was that ico is scum, and I read what madoka presented, and I'm giving them benefit of their logic to push on ico. I hate that I have no real solid reads but once roles start flipping it'll get easier to solve and we have a lot of content to work off of today.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Iconeium

[DkKoba]

ive been reading mainly tone and madoka's jumps out as towny to me in recent posts.

[DkKoba]

UNVOTE:

[DkKoba]

i expect a better wagon once i get home from work in 7 hours.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: ddl

[DkKoba]

I'm keeping my conf town to myself for now.

[DkKoba]

(I actually forgot who I submitted lole)

[DkKoba]

I didn't check one of my scumreads btw, I checked one of my null reads

[DkKoba]

Ok i will give you all a hint. Its not BM. VOTE: battle mage

[DkKoba]

Ok i will give you all a hint. Its not BM. VOTE: battle mage

HA! Don't be a sourpuss. You mislynched DDL yesterday, would be useful if you could play for the good guys today.

you want to know WHY i hammered DDL?

at best they were scum who was about to weakly claim a pr role as soon as someone declared intent

at worst they were a VT who wasn't going to be much help.

I already had a hard read on them that they weren't PR.

It was about protecting tracker at that point.

[DkKoba]

looker u know what i think? possible scum theater

[DkKoba]

RC?

[DkKoba]

battlemage your tone gives off the air of having more info than you should have.

your general vibe has felt off all game.

[DkKoba]

and now you're softing tracking all of a sudden?
this is why im keeping who I viisted now. So mafia CANNOT fish tracker.

[DkKoba]

UNVOTE: I would like to request to hammer any vote today. I will reveal who i cleared last night before i hammer.

[DkKoba]

UNVOTE: I would like to request to hammer any vote today. I will reveal who i cleared last night before i hammer.

You don't have to. Clears come out when tracker or hider dies. Crumb if you have to or whatever.

Don't out just to shut battle mage up, scum don't know the clear either and increases the likelihood the shoot outside of the clears in the night. Make them work for it.

oh I'm aware of this. the issue is that I actually ... kinda tracker read my clear atm so i want to hide them rn. I do want to make sure that tracker is uncc'able.

[DkKoba]

battle mage theres only room for 1 ego player here and I'm clear so bugger off. especially considering you have had terrible mechanical analysis.

[DkKoba]

hmm

[DkKoba]

ico was obv scum how tf was he not lynched.

[DkKoba]

and amazing that obvious town from d1 gets lynched lmao

[DkKoba]

im just really bumbed DK didnt hide behind me after the allom night kill.
They TR me, and i was never going to be the night kill given it looked like i was diverting the allom lynch

u were locktown to me and i wanted to go on one of my lighter TRs.

the townblock I wanted to form was fairly important to my game, but I got cucked by the madoka thing. had BM not had an awful reaction to him accidentally hammering allo I would have hid behind him as well.

[DkKoba]

im just really bumbed DK didnt hide behind me after the allom night kill.
They TR me, and i was never going to be the night kill given it looked like i was diverting the allom lynch

u were locktown to me and i wanted to go on one of my lighter TRs.

the townblock I wanted to form was fairly important to my game, but I got cucked by the madoka thing. had BM not had an awful reaction to him accidentally hammering allo I would have hid behind him as well.

clearing me would probably have been helpful. although would have been risky, as Madoka kept saying I was the tracker for reasons.

maybe if allo didn't flip scum and u didnt seem apologetic for accidentally hammering him i would have been on you 100%