Mini Normal 2122 | Endgame

[Garmr]

VOTE: nero cain

I'm pseudo town so follow me.

[Garmr]

pseudo confirmed town*

[Garmr]

Why do you find Kemist opening scummy rabid.

[Garmr]

Rabid you might not remember because you were scum, but I did the pseudo confirmed town thing in the last shared game lol.

[Garmr]

Everyone wants to be my friend It makes me want to Hide in the corner. r

[Garmr]

Rabid you might not remember because you were scum, but I did the pseudo confirmed town thing in the last shared game lol.

Should I boot you from the town bloc and just work with N_M?

I don't mind you can boot me. You feel different than last game through so I'm going to assume your more scummy as town than scum.

[Garmr]

Note to self: Jake is a Robbnva alt.

If he was he would of raged and refused to play with me.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Garmr

lets see see if i can make it 6 games that I correctly read you in row

4 town and one scum. I feel the ball will land on red this time

It landed on green this game lol.

[Garmr]

who's part of the neighborhood???

[Garmr]

VOTE: kagesong

This post proves kage town.

[Garmr]

VOTE: kagesong

This post proves kage town.

How so?

If you do the opposite of non you win.

[Garmr]

I am somewhat joking after you called the three town masons scum and scum rabid town in two separate games. So why do you think kage is scummy? Seems pretty null information wise except him saying rabids trying to act like me feels weird.

[Garmr]

I am somewhat joking after you called the three town masons scum and scum rabid town in two separate games. So why do you think kage is scummy? Seems pretty null information wise except him saying rabids trying to act like me feels weird.

Specifically, that I think the behaviour could be used to attempt to lull those of us from last game into staying "safe" from an early mislynch. It's really soft. But if the dog starts to foam, it's a point of reference.

I don't think he could be scum with Jake, from that crap shoot and outside of Jake's apparent aggressive meta, Jake looks bad to me. To me it looks like making sure you have a target as soon as a game starts to make sure that you look like you're towny and scumhunting like a pro. Just because of a claim, that will affect either nothing, or barely anything, in the long run, imho.

I think it's a long shot and I don't see it. So i'm going to disagree about rabid trying to do that. Also last game if you remember the town players that scum were fostering for a win condition had me in their to be sorted pile.

[Garmr]

To me it looks like making sure you have a target as soon as a game starts

And I don’t know what gave you this impression. It’s clear by reading my posts I didn’t come into the game with a target in mind. So that’s another lie.

If anyone is guilty of chainsaw defending somebody. It’s definitely you. That’s why I think you/rabid are probably scum together, even if nobody agrees.

Who are you accusing him of chainsawing? Because the only people i see a town read are luna and he didn't defend them.


If it's rabid he isn't chainsawing but saying that one of you will flip scum and the other town.


I mean i could come up with a reason why a scum kage would do that but that would make you just as likely scum as rabid and honestly it doesn't rule out kages town motive so it gets nulled out.

[Garmr]

He can still say he “scum reads” rabid and chainsaw defend him. He never really provided much reason to explain why he scum reads rabid, instead focusing more on me and every reason he’s given for me has been a lie.

I'm going to be honest I think you are viewing the world from a different lense than me and I think it's because your involved in it. From a outside point of view there's = amounts each. The more I read while looking into your points on kage the more suspicious i'm becoming kage but not for the reasons you are.

I'm comparing this game to my last one and in this one his more defensive twitchy. His reasoning more stretched.

VOTE: kage

[Garmr]

Non/garmr probably not S/S, but I'm feeling no townyness with their reactions to the kage wagon.

Bob straight up ignoring everything also initiates :raise eyebrows:. flip also giving off weird IIoA vibes. He's present and weighing in and saying nothing.

Jake sounds town so far, puppy might be town if the specific thing pans out the right way. LF feels town. N_M very town.

NC is an enigma wrapped in a fantasy baseball league, imo, so I'm straight up ignoring attempting to read there.

I don't think I have enough to even get a feeling on anyone else.

What makes me feel like this comes from scum is the fact that Non didn't have much of a reaction and just voted kage. Also the lack of depth with why they/I are scummy just seems like scum picking throwing things up to see what will stick.

[Garmr]

Oh, right. Soft claim that I should be policy lynched at some point before LYLO and considered conftown until that point. I'd like to delay my death for a while, but doing so isn't particularly necessary.

Confirming me as town is completely useless, regardless of the means you use to do so. I'll probably full claim in the hood at some fairly early point as well, I just want to do a little puppy meta and get a sense of the setup before I do so.

Unless your ascetic then I doubt this is the case.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Bob

[Garmr]

Yes, Bingle. You should be able to look at a slot that consists of two blank votes and a one liner outside of RVS and come to a conclusion on your own.

Rabid, you misunderstand. I'm not neighbor voting today.

If someone in the neighbourhood is scum then Chkflip would have a scum motive for putting off voting in the neighbourhood.

[Garmr]

Guys. Jake has good reads. Imma sheep him for now

This made me chuckle.

[Garmr]

Hmm lets see what happens when I do this

VOTE: Chk

Check your move.

[Garmr]

l-1 by the way

[Garmr]

mm at the moment im betting

flav and garmr are scum. will need to look closer at this game as ive struggled to get into to it

either taht or flav want us to think he is partnered with garmr

i smell oil

Bobs confirmed scum then, He's normally right on me so him to scum read me while i'm town makes him scum.

[Garmr]

mm at the moment im betting

flav and garmr are scum. will need to look closer at this game as ive struggled to get into to it

either taht or flav want us to think he is partnered with garmr

i smell oil

Bobs confirmed scum then, He's normally right on me so him to scum read me while i'm town makes him scum.

Links off past games to confirm it ?

I'm to lazy Bob will probably confirm as he will want to use the fact he has been right about me in the past 5-6? town games.

[Garmr]

Was hoping scum would shoot me last night sigh.

[Garmr]

FB is pretty fun to play with. Bob and Fb are two of the players I play with most.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Bob

Bob kinda coasted day 1 and normally his proactive. His posts aren't pokey like they would be while town their more accusationary. It's hard to explain but there's no build up or interaction.

[Garmr]

Nero Cain, Luna Fox, Robbnva, Garmr, Bingle, Not_Mafia,

2 scum in here likely.

@Bingle - if you’re town, I require your assistance.

I’m townreading most of that list, but moderately intrigued. Please, tell me more.

I flat out gave you the list of the Chkflip wagon, and you stated you town read most of the list.

It’s essentially confirmed there’s multiple scum on this wagon, the off wagon kill also points towards that direction.

Why are you blatantly acting like it’s not? I feel like you half did this just to be contradictory towards me for positioning reasons.

Blue town reads/me green flipped town.

Chkflip (7)

Nero Cain,

Luna Fox,

Robbnva

,

Garmr,

Bingle, Not_Mafia, team rocket queen
Nero Cain (1)

Rabid Schnauzer

Garmr (1) Bob3141
Non Lmh (1)

chkflip

Not Voting (3)

Clidd,

Chemist1422,

Rick Dalton

My initial reaction was to disagree with you but after factoring in my town reads and flips seems like 2 or all the scum were on the wagon. You may be kinda right I honestly think Bob is the scum off wagon. Chemist didn't leave a deep impression on me so they are null but unlikey scum.

My gut feeling that scum on the wagon is Bingle and Luna fox. While Not mafia is null but I don't think his the type. Team rocket queen is possible but i'm uncertain if she will be a hard bus or a easy mislynch.

So the scum team is three Bs

Bob, bingle, Buna Box/Beam Bocket Bueen

[Garmr]

garmr can you explain your progression on your chkflip read? As you activity around that slot and its lynch looks nothing like your town games

I null read chk I was just seeing reactions if I put them at L-1 from Chkflip ect but nothing really happened and I didn't really give a fuck if they lived or died since .

[Garmr]

Oh that was shorter than i thought. Lets just lynch bob.

[Garmr]

garmr can you explain your progression on your chkflip read? As you activity around that slot and its lynch looks nothing like your town games

I null read chk I was just seeing reactions if I put them at L-1 from Chkflip ect but nothing really happened and I didn't really give a fuck if they lived or died since .

I cant see town you doing that. You can get a bit impatient as the game goes on but not day one. But not this early


Other things you find hard to do as town is let go of a push. When you think a player is scum as town you tend to be very tenacious with tendancy to not town read them until your satisfied. You might change your read but not after allot of posts have been exchanged.

Scum you simply inst invested in your pushes as much so you let much quicker.


Take your push on bing in post 278. You dropped almost straight away. You had one more post that was rather weak. By weak i mean no bite to it. More like you were playing with your food than hunting for scum.

Then straight away you were after me and chkflip. Town you migth have gone after me and chkflip but you wouldnt of let go of bing so easy.

Depends you only played with invested me. Also I have mentioned before I don't mind lynching null reads day 1 when we have a couple of mislynches free and there are other reasons as well.

Also you "scumread" Both me and Bing the way you put it is Bing is a townie that scum me is testing the waters with. Yet your voting bing instead of me.

[Garmr]

So like do you think me and bing are a scum team?

[Garmr]

I have no idea why you guys think this bob person is scum.

Bob has a habit of sounding town as scum.

[Garmr]

I won't claim my role but I'm also a power role if you want to factor that into your set up.

[Garmr]

Nero Cain, Luna Fox, Robbnva, Garmr, Bingle, Not_Mafia,

2 scum in here likely.

@Bingle - if you’re town, I require your assistance.

I’m townreading most of that list, but moderately intrigued. Please, tell me more.

I flat out gave you the list of the Chkflip wagon, and you stated you town read most of the list.

It’s essentially confirmed there’s multiple scum on this wagon, the off wagon kill also points towards that direction.

Why are you blatantly acting like it’s not? I feel like you half did this just to be contradictory towards me for positioning reasons.

Blue town reads/me green flipped town.

Chkflip (7)

Nero Cain,

Luna Fox,

Robbnva

,

Garmr,

Bingle, Not_Mafia, team rocket queen
Nero Cain (1)

Rabid Schnauzer

Garmr (1) Bob3141
Non Lmh (1)

chkflip

Not Voting (3)

Clidd,

Chemist1422,

Rick Dalton

My initial reaction was to disagree with you but after factoring in my town reads and flips seems like 2 or all the scum were on the wagon. You may be kinda right I honestly think Bob is the scum off wagon. Chemist didn't leave a deep impression on me so they are null but unlikey scum.

My gut feeling that scum on the wagon is Bingle and Luna fox. While Not mafia is null but I don't think his the type. Team rocket queen is possible but i'm uncertain if she will be a hard bus or a easy mislynch.

So the scum team is three Bs

Bob, bingle, Buna Box/Beam Bocket Bueen

Chkflip (7) Nero Cain, Luna Fox, Robbnva,

Garmr,

Bingle, Not_Mafia, team rocket queen
Nero Cain (1)

Rabid Schnauzer

Garmr (1) Bob3141

Non Lmh (1)

chkflip

Not Voting (3)

Clidd

, Chemist1422,

Rick Dalton

I think rick wanted us to hunt from the wagon to save his own skin. The only case where he doesn't want to hunt off the wagon is if chemist is scum.

[Garmr]

bingle - only makes sense to me that he's telling the truth

luna - i think calling me scum and then being swayed by ricks argument only makes sense as mafia if they planned on taking me into the late game, but this seems pretty plausible.

robb - probably town since the little remarks from rick meant to get a response from robb don't really make sense if they're partners and plan to keep sniping at eachother

nero - the strongest case to me is that he's in the neighborhood so by process of elimination mafia. i looked for the scumhunting in his iso as instructed and failed to find it, but i think that's true of a lot of players in this game.

garmr -

makes sense as mafia with not mafia due to repeatedly misrepresenting the day one wagon in order to not include not mafia in the off the wagon category. otherwise probably town.

not mafia - i don't know. early on it felt like a playstyle thing that they were still communicating information via but recently all i've gotten from them is willingness to hammer anyone and 'luna scum'

gobble - it's nice to see someone trying to move the game, but i can't tell the motivation. i think town because the not moving felt frustrating, as we've been kinda demoralized since the end of day 1.

Chkflip (7) Nero Cain, Luna Fox, Robbnva, Garmr, Bingle,

Not_Mafia,

team rocket queen

Nero Cain, Luna Fox, Robbnva, Garmr, Bingle, Not_Mafia,

2 scum in here likely.

@Bingle - if you’re town, I require your assistance.

I’m townreading most of that list, but moderately intrigued. Please, tell me more.

I flat out gave you the list of the Chkflip wagon, and you stated you town read most of the list.

It’s essentially confirmed there’s multiple scum on this wagon, the off wagon kill also points towards that direction.

Why are you blatantly acting like it’s not? I feel like you half did this just to be contradictory towards me for positioning reasons.

Blue town reads/me green flipped town.

Chkflip (7)

Nero Cain,

Luna Fox,

Robbnva

,

Garmr,

Bingle, Not_Mafia, team rocket queen
Nero Cain (1)

Rabid Schnauzer

Garmr (1) Bob3141
Non Lmh (1)

chkflip

Not Voting (3)

Clidd,

Chemist1422,

Rick Dalton

My initial reaction was to disagree with you but after factoring in my town reads and flips seems like 2 or all the scum were on the wagon. You may be kinda right I honestly think Bob is the scum off wagon. Chemist didn't leave a deep impression on me so they are null but unlikey scum.

My gut feeling that scum on the wagon is Bingle and Luna fox. While Not mafia is null but I don't think his the type. Team rocket queen is possible but i'm uncertain if she will be a hard bus or a easy mislynch.

So the scum team is three Bs

Bob, bingle, Buna Box/Beam Bocket Bueen

You are wrong I didn't do that.

[Garmr]

I had a similar role to NC's in 2013, but it was a lot more terrifying. Either the alt I was playing under or the game had a royal theme.

He has a circumstantial innocent result on garmr.

I've been debating whether to claim this for days, but as they say audentes Fortuna iuvat.

I intend to vengekill trq. trq, please claim in case that changes my mind.

huh who has a innoncent on me did i miss something?????

[Garmr]

I want to hear from nero from the lynch and anyone who votes to lynch bingle will be considered scum.

[Garmr]

until i hear from nero.

[Garmr]

I'm a hider it is impossible to target me lol so nero is lying or people are lying about nero.

[Garmr]

Everyone wants to be my friend It makes me want to

Hide in the corner. r

Hide corner. r

Hider

[Garmr]

First night i hid behind bob because he was scummy second night I hid behind Bingle because he was a misylynch target/scummy was 50/50 after the bob lynch.

[Garmr]

In a way, I think this is the best post this dayphase, actually.

in what way?

i guess i will

UNVOTE:

since the plan is now to eliminate two town while leaving many questions unanswered for tomorrow. i still think you are telling the truth and your lynch makes sense; if you told me you were going to kill someone else i'd put my vote back, even if it were a maybe. it makes me give added weight to robb's theory, but the solution to that is still to lynch you.

if you're worried that i won't be able to solve the game, i think i am pretty close. if nero is town and has a clear on garmr, then he's likely right about the mafia being gobble/not mafia. if nero is scum i think luna is the most likely partner.

preview edit: hmm. so one of garmr/nero/bingle have to be scum here? cause either garmr is lying, nero is lying, or bingle is lying about nero?

I have a innocent on me so I wouldn't be lying in any scenario....

[Garmr]

I think Garmr should hide behind TRQ, if TRQ's scum then TRQ cant kill Garmr, if TRQ is town then scum has to kill a mislynch to get rid of him.
You got any better ideas?

Sounds good to me.

[Garmr]

Oh so that was the theme both had killing roles and the traitor couldn't be effected by both.

[Garmr]

VOTE: trq

Yeah I can hide behind people so i'm hoping to make it to end game.

[Garmr]

Garmr shouldn't hide

Sigh why did you even bring this up I wasn't going to hide and just let scum shoot people thinking I was going to. Now they might actually shoot me.

[Garmr]

I mean, you're a hider not a weak hider no?
If you're hiding behind scum you're not much different than a commuter and considering you're like 99.9% town due to Nero's slip that's amazing.

Yeah but if I am wrong and hide behind town then I'm dead. If I didn't hide and scum thought I was hiding then i'm 100% safe till end game.

[Garmr]

It’s easy. Garmr just hides behind our next lynch target. If scum want the 2 for 1, they go for it and then we just move on to the next player we want to lynch. Otherwise they have to try to guess which player I’m going to protect or kill me. They probably kill me so they have as many options moving forward. I’m just jazzed I was right about my top two scumreads even if it is looking like I was wrong about my other two. >_>

I forgot you have a protect role. I could hide behind your protect target and remain safe.

[Garmr]

Garmr we don’t need you to be safe until end game. The night we no lynch you die lol.

If it comes down to final 3 wouldn't it be better to have a near confirmed town >me than 3 randoms.

[Garmr]

Garmr we don’t need you to be safe until end game. The night we no lynch you die lol.

If it comes down to final 3 wouldn't it be better to have a near confirmed town >me than 3 randoms.

My point is that you won’t be in a final three because you are near confirmed town. If you don’t die then to get off evens we have to no lynch. That night if you hide behind someone and they are town and get shot, we just lose, so you shouldn’t hide the night before 3P LyLo if you are still alive

Why do we have to no lynch what's the difference between 3P unknown alive

and 3p+ a confirmed townie.

Also if it comes down to it even with a no lynch I could still get into the final three with the nature of my role.

I get in a standard scenario you'd be right but I'm one confirmed town + 2 can make it to final 3

[Garmr]

If everything goes to plan TRQ lynch just ends the game.
I cant shake off my head the fact that RD jumped in to defend TRQ Day 2, considering he did the same in another mini normal that just ended where he was scum as well and also jumped in to defend a partner with a "soft inno"

Probs lets hope this finishes it tonight.

I also am a bit skeptical about gobble and his intentions

[Garmr]

Garmr and I are masons

its nt 127 or w/e # all over again!

Not_Mafia, Garmr

What game was Nero Cain referring to here?

No idea

I never played a 127 maybe one of the scum team played a 127 with him or something?

[Garmr]

If everything goes to plan TRQ lynch just ends the game.
I cant shake off my head the fact that RD jumped in to defend TRQ Day 2, considering he did the same in another mini normal that just ended where he was scum as well and also jumped in to defend a partner with a "soft inno"

Probs lets hope this finishes it tonight.

I also am a bit skeptical about gobble and his intentions

That’s normal. no one trusts the turkey

But if I’m last scum, no way do I derail the Bingle>TRQ double town death when I have an almost 99% accurate meta read on Nero. Even if I wanted that bus credit, doesn’t really do anything for me since he’s a traitor

Unless you thought TRQ was the traitor which means she's town. But your probs right.

[Garmr]

Ok.

Not_Mafia, Garmr

What game were you guys masons together?

I don't think me and Not_mafia were ever mason together.

[Garmr]

Also if gobble blocks a kill then it grants us a extra day then end game will be 3 player again.

[Garmr]

Looking through rick iso robbs probably town.

[Garmr]

team rocket queen

Garmr

Not_Mafia

DkKoba

Luna Fox

gobbledygook

So lets find that final 1 shall we.

well i'm pretty much confirmed town so everyone else should cross that off their list.

I was looking through robs iso and there's a lot interaction between him and rick but it doesn't feel like scum buddies and didn't seem like busting so. Strike DK koba

The way rick talks about luna trying to pocket him and how it feels natrual and it's ok with it makes me think

he thought Luna was the Traitor

and since the traitor flipped already that must mean Luna is town.

This leaves us with three hard to sort slots TRQ NM and gobble

[Garmr]

At any rate the last two scum are in

Not_Mafia
Robbnva
Luna Fox
gobbledygook

both nm and chemist's slot were in my POV solve yesterday. I really hate how Luna went from hard town reading me to being willing to vote for me without any resistance whatsoever. She also seems to be following around gobbles so maybe that means he's town and Fox is scum here?

I've never played with Robb scum though I will note that he has had the same hilariously anti-town stances as town but he himself as said that he does the same regardless of alignment so maybe but he's still my last choice as scum.

If we are lynching Bingle today he should be killing NM I think. And then you guys need to decide who is scum with him, Luna or Gook.

Yeah I don't think he advocates for his scum partners death here.

[Garmr]

That leaves only TRQ and Gook those are our lynches to solve the game personally I think it will be over with a TRQ lynch.

[Garmr]

Good point about Luna, Garmr.

You should hide behind Not Mafia tonight.

VOTE: TRQ

Yeah I somewhat agree if this game doesn't "my slot" (if i'm not in this game) should hide behind nm or gobble pref nm. But I think the game ends.

[Garmr]

So your protection would fail on me then?

VOTE: TRQ

what power role do you have?

[Garmr]

Happy birthday NM

[Garmr]

not mafia