Nomic: The Constitution Game - Game Over

[logan5123]

/in

[logan5123]

I was planning on making first proposal, but oh well, sucks to be you.

302: Rules now have names. Rules cannot not have names, and any rules without them can be ignored by the moderator. Initial rules have an initial name of "Initial Rule x", where x is the number of the rule. All names are public. The number of the rule shall be put in parenthesis beside the rule. Rules missing numbers via this shall be counted as missing a number through rule 210, and be ignored. Rules, and votes on rules, may also use a name instead of a number. Any rules passed before this rule may have a name decided on by the submitter of the rule, except for this rule, which will be called the Name Rule.

VOTE: YEA 301

[logan5123]

Oh, one more thing:
VOTE: YEA 302

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 303
Hey so let's just say you wish to make a rule immutable/mutable. How, say, would you start that up? This is for later, not right now.

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 304
Yeah, no.
Abstaining isn't actually THAT powerful. It's mostly in rules that you really don't care about.
Besides, it's a good tool for when you don't want to read.

[logan5123]

Actually, I want to fix a loophole before it gets abused.

305: Players may not suggest rules that are functionally the exact same as previously denied rules, unless another rule allows them to.

VOTE: YEA 305

[logan5123]

I actually had three reasons:
1. filling the proposal list
2. because then it becomes a valid strategy to just spam a rule until eventually people get sick and tired of it and accept it
3. because who wants to reject the same rule a dozen times

[logan5123]

Yeah, but if there's one thing I learned from... many places, actually, it's to take care of the problems before they become problems.
Not to mention, if nothing else, we can take care of it when we remove the proposal limit.

[logan5123]

Well when you put it that way, I actually kind of agree with you.
It just doesn't say anywhere that you can amend proposals so I sort of don't know how to do it.
I'll try like this, however, I will stretch out that deadline a bit.

Amending 305: Players may not suggest a functionally equivalent rule that failed in the past 72 hours.

[logan5123]

there you are bugspray
now, quickly, vote YEA or NAY on 301
it's vital

[logan5123]

or abstain. really doesn't matter just pls vote

[logan5123]

Honestly though retroactive rules can be useful sometimes.
Key word here is sometimes.
I have a rule that I wish to propose later that's retroactive but only to players so therefore it shouldn't be that bad.
VOTE: YEA 306 VOTE: NAY 307 VOTE: YEA 308
other two rules are cool though. Finally, a currency I can work with!

[logan5123]

Also, just noticed that name rule failed.
Ripparoni pepperoni to rule customization I guess.
I'll have to find another way to make that work later.

[logan5123]

oddly specific but sure why not
VOTE: YEA 309

[logan5123]

I'm assuming that that's 3 so I'll fill the rest of the proposal list with two rules concerning the end of the game.

310: The game ends when a win condition is reached. A win condition is counted as any rule which states that a player "wins", "wins the game" or any variation of such.

(This rule is to define what a win condition is and to have the game end when a win condition is reached.)

311: If a player reaches 10000 Reputation, they win the game. The player with the most Reputation at the end of the game wins alongside whoever wins the game.

(And this rule is just a redefined version of a rule from Rules Game because I'm not creative)

[logan5123]

Also if it's actually 4 then act like I didn't propose 311.

[logan5123]

Ah, that's fair.
However, I feel that if the game never ends, eventually the game dies and goes unfinished, and a unfinished game is unsatisfying.
And as for 310 being useless, there's no mention of winning anywhere. Also I may or may not have reasons to make a proposal as useless as that anyways.

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 312
time for email Poggers

[logan5123]

oh actually I didn't notice that
lmao
still time for email
VOTE: STILL YEA 312

[logan5123]

oof
I was about to make a transmute request too

[logan5123]

OK so I missed a bit uhh
VOTE: YEA 321 VOTE: YEA 320 VOTE: YEA 318 VOTE: YEA 319
as far as I know that's everything, not sure tho

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 314 VOTE: YEA 315
Vetos by a player are a bad time. So no.
For the record, this means that 314 fails and 315 passes.
That should be it I think.

[logan5123]

coolio

322: Transmute 301 to immutable.

I don't want to be stuck in that period again pls thanks

[logan5123]

Heck, while I've got a chance, I'll make this rule as well.

323: Players may not join under alternate accounts.

easy enough

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 324
I want my rules that are essentually 25 smaller rules smashed together and made into a couch
also sometimes you need to do that

[logan5123]

Heck, while I'm on a rule making spree

325: Players may persist motions into mutable rules with an absolute majority vote. Doing so makes the motion permanent.

Notice there's no way to turn a rule into a motion; at that point you need an absolute majority so just repeal it.

[logan5123]

On an unrelated note, I made the last rule at 1 o'clock in the morning, passed out, and woke up at 6 and got on to find no replies.
I got 5 hours of sleep
Fuck me

[logan5123]

hmm not what I was expecting but ok cool

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 326
Please no. I don't want to have to deal with 3 day time limits.
Also have you seen real legislatures, that shit takes foreeeeeever.

[logan5123]

VOTE: ABSTAIN 327 VOTE: ABSTAIN 328
I mean on one hand it's a good rule on the other it's already there on the OTHER hand reputation.
You guys decide what to do with it I really don't care

[logan5123]

...second thought bribery is too good to resist
VOTE: YEA 327 VOTE: YEA 328
and as for the dueling rule, I would say change it to where the player with the least votes wins
make it basically be gladiator simulator
LUL

[logan5123]

ah screw it
VOTE: YEA 329 VOTE: YEA 330 VOTE: YEA 331
I'll join this train

332: Amend 318 to read: "If you are allowed to join by all other rules relating to joining, simply post /in."

It's probably useless but it'll help just in case.

[logan5123]

We basically already have, what with the "alternate accounts" rule.
Besides, I doubt we will abuse it.

[logan5123]

annnd we're locked again.
Second we're unlocked I'm making a rule to stop the game from being locked up like this

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 304
VOTE: NAY M001
Fucking finally.
Anyone have any good ideas on a rule to stop us having the game stop on us every other day?

[logan5123]

Hey, jake's line about reputation made me have some ideas.

335: Any time a player does not follow a rule, they lose 1 reputation.

336: Players cannot win the game while they have less than 0 reputation.

You know, for the future.

[logan5123]

wait shit
VOTE: NAY 334
pretend you didn't see that

[logan5123]

Fine.

336: Players cannot win the game while they have less than 0 reputation.

[logan5123]

We don't need to vote Nay on Jake's thing this time because he numbered it wrong LUL

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY M002
I don't think that counts, but hey it's moderator's call.

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 340
VOTE: NAY M003
VOTE: YEA 339
Bruh didn't you deny one of my proposals because it was just a definition before? boi

I will always be opposed to those whom decline my propositions.

and that's just being a bad player

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 342
The small troll part of me wanted to abstain for the hell of it but nah
Now, for something that just came up from the top of my head, and'll probably get NAYed out of existence, but it'll be a fun addition if it's added

343: Whenever a player joins, they draw one card from a 52 card deck of playing cards, excluding jokers. The drawing is simulated by the moderator. A copy of the drawn card is then added back into the deck, and the deck shuffled. Cards players own are private, and cards drawn by a player are only known by the player who drew them.

Notably I will probably make like 4 proposals if this passes. Then again, I'm not confident in this passing.
Oh, moderator, here's a cheatsheet to allow you to just do a 5d52 in secret if this passes to make this surprisingly easy:

Spoiler: Cheatsheet

1: Ace of Spades
2: Ace of Clubs
3: Ace of Hearts
4: Ace of Diamonds
5: Two of Spades
6: Two of Clubs
7: Two of Hearts
8: Two of Diamonds
9: Three of Spades
10: Three of Clubs
11: Three of Hearts
12: Three of Diamonds
13: Four of Spades
14: Four of Clubs
15: Four of Hearts
16: Four of Diamonds
17: Five of Spades
18: Five of Clubs
19: Five of Hearts
20: Five of Diamonds
21: Six of Spades
22: Six of Clubs
23: Six of Hearts
24: Six of Diamonds
25: Seven of Spades
26: Seven of Clubs
27: Seven of Hearts
28: Seven of Diamonds
29: Eight of Spades
30: Eight of Clubs
31: Eight of Hearts
32: Eight of Diamonds
33: Nine of Spades
34: Nine of Clubs
35: Nine of Hearts
36: Nine of Diamonds
37: Ten of Spades
38: Ten of Clubs
39: Ten of Hearts
40: Ten of Diamonds
41: Jack of Spades
42: Jack of Clubs
43: Jack of Hearts
44: Jack of Diamonds
45: Queen of Spades
46: Queen of Clubs
47: Queen of Hearts
48: Queen of Diamonds
49: King of Spades
50: King of Clubs
51: King of Hearts
52: King of Diamonds

[logan5123]

also, as someone who doesn't do time well:
VOTE: NAY 341

[logan5123]

oh crap I screwed up

Amend 343: Whenever a player joins, they draw one card from a 52 card deck of playing cards, excluding jokers. The drawing is simulated by the moderator. A copy of the drawn card is then added back into the deck, and the deck shuffled. Cards players own are private, and cards drawn by a player are only known by the player who drew them. When this rule is passed, all active players draw 1 card.

Also this means you have to vote again, sorry

[logan5123]

It just occurred to me that my rule might have gotten passed before I could amend it due to 322, and if that's the case then I'm gonna make a backup plan.

M004: Any active players without cards draw 1 card. This motion, once passed, lasts 1 second.

If the amendment went through, this motion is useless - just NAY it. But if it didn't, then this motion will be useful. This motion will basically do the same thing that the amendment would do, anyways.

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 345
Can I be honest? Back then this game was way slower than it is now. Like, maybe, two proposals a day or shit. Not this landscape of "a proposal can get approved or denied in 30 seconds".

[logan5123]

VOTE: ABSTAIN 338
Alright, now for something to spend all the reputation on:

346: A player may spend 30 reputation to draw a card and then shuffle a copy of it into it's respective deck.

and a method to gain extra reputation:

347: A player may discard a playing card to gain Reputation equal to it's number. For the purpose of this rule, Aces are 11, and the face cards (Kings, Queens, and Jacks) are 10.

Trust me, I'm going to put way too much effort into making the card system worth the PMs.

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 348
okey

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 349 VOTE: YEA 350

[logan5123]

I'm not one for waiting, and I doubt coins will fail, so...

351: Players coin counts are public and can be seen by all players.

[logan5123]

I'll make a way to transfer between systems later.
I'm thinking 50 coins to 1 reputation but that might be a bit much
who knows though

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA M006
Unfortunately, this means that all coin counts will now be 25 off for the rest of the game.
Whatever though, it's a source of coins.

[logan5123]

oof sniped
VOTE: YEA 353 VOTE: YEA 354

[logan5123]

although, tbh, idk how I feel about the price for dueling only being 5 coins
considering that you get 50 a day
and 25 upon joining

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 356 VOTE: YEA 358
I'm kinda indecisive on 357, so, and this may lead to an infinite loop, but
VOTE: ABSTAIN 357

[logan5123]

wait, has 353 still not gone either way?
I kinda want to fix a denied rule, so...

359: Players may spend 200 reputation in order to get a Vote Token. Players may not have more than 3 vote tokens at a time. Players may spend one (I) vote token in order to vote on one (I) given proposal an extra time. Majority may be shifted using Vote Tokens.

I know specifying one (I) wasn't necessary but I wanted to.
For fanciness' sake.

[logan5123]

Honestly, on the "too high" part, future rules will probably lower the value of Reputation, so I thought that 200 would be enough for the future.
I don't want people to stack vote tokens, you know?
VOTE: ABSTAIN 360 VOTE: YEA 361 VOTE: YEA 362

[logan5123]

Nominate Ircher for president

fits, don't you think?
VOTE: YEA 352

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 363 VOTE: ABSTAIN 364
363 turns becoming the president into a win condition
plus, it isn't once per presidency

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA M008
I like how we've found an additional use of 1 second motions to have immediate effects that don't leave behind side effects.
That's unironically what I believe they're made for now.

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 365
WOO REAL REPUBLIC TIME

[logan5123]

hey so does that count as a amendment or no?
just in case
VOTE: STILL YEAH 365

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 366
I have no idea what you're talking about but ok
SO that passes that and then we do this

367: A president may pass 1 rule per presidency. A president cannot pass a rule if it requires unaminous consent, or a supermajority.

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 368
I like this rule, but I would like it more if you made it retroactive.
Granted, it's two cases, but still.

[logan5123]

I know this makes me look scummy but self hammer is in fact a strat
VOTE: logan5123

[logan5123]

ok then

[logan5123]

while I have a chance:

369: A president is elected immediately upon achieving the required number of votes to be elected.

sound familiar?

[logan5123]

while I'm on my daily triple post routine

Duel jake the wolfie

and while I'm in a rule making mood

370: Whenever a player wins a duel, they draw a card from the playing card deck.

Trust me, the "playing card deck" was necessary.

[logan5123]

Appoint Ircher, Allomancer, and StrangerCoug as my council.

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 372
Spending coins to force people to do stuff is dumb. One can technically force a president to veto a proposal, using up their proposal AND requiring their council to do what they actually want to do.
If you have enough, you can even circumvent the council system altogether. Could allow someone to win the game very easily.
...oh my god you can get enough coins for it in 2 irl days.
TWO!

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 371
Sure!

[logan5123]

373: The president gains 5 reputation upon being elected for each time they've been elected. They also draw a card. This rule, upon passing, will be applied retroactively.

Yes, we are allowing presidents to be elected more than twice. Yes, I am doing this exclusively to save my losses. But, hey, the president's honestly kinda powerless in the face of his council right now; I mean, in order to pass or veto anything, they have to get 3 votes, which would've done that anyway sooooo

[logan5123]

actually this is a bit crazy but

374: If a player draws an Ace, Queen, King, Jack, and 10, all in the same suit, they win the game.

This may seem too early to get one of these, but lemme quote something:

When you play a basic video poker game with 52 cards, the odds of getting a Royal Flush during the initial draw are 1 in 649,740.

A basic video poker game has you draw 5 cards for the initial draw. FIVE. And that's still more than a one in half a million chance. The odds of getting this are... slim to none. But this game will last a long time, so I'm thinking it's possible.

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 374VOTE:
Still not once per presidency. Also, 367 still exists.

[logan5123]

Eh, worth a shot

Amend 373: Every time a president is elected, they gain 1 reputation and draw a card

Yes this does mean that you have to vote again but it's one vote

[logan5123]

wait fuck

Amend 373: Every time a president is elected, they gain 1 reputation and draw a card. This rule is applied retroactively upon passing.

[logan5123]

also, VOTE: YEA 374
just in case that wasn't obvious, I was naying his, not mine

[logan5123]

welp I fucked up, didn't I
welp good thing it's 48 hours instead of 24, lol.
anywho, VOTE: NAY 375 If it even matters since I think the abstain fail rule fucked that one up but whatever

10 out of 10 president here, folks

Let's get this ball rolling, since we've basically got it approved already:

376: The proposal limit is raised to eight proposals, permanently.

There's no such thing as "too soon" in the law

[logan5123]

VOTE: ABSTAIN 377
Might have some merits, although for the life of me idk what they are

[logan5123]

...and we're out of proposals.
Riparoni I have no idea what I'm doing now.

[logan5123]

hey so, random question:
what's the difference between 365 and 366? As for what I can see they're word for word the exact same.

[logan5123]

OK so I looked over the rules and I've got a few suggestions.

381: Motions may be extended. Extending a motion sets the timer to a different amount than originally stated.

382: Players may spend 10 coins in order to get 1 reputation, or vice versa.

383: All players found to have violated rule 323, and their alternate accounts, are to be removed from the game. Players removed via this rule cannot rejoin under any account.

384: Transmute 360 to immutable.

That should be all of it.
Presend edit: I got sniped, fuck
should still all fit due to the limit increase. numbers have been changed accordingly.

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 379 This may sound hypocritical of me, but this is too specific. Questionable why someone would choose those cards specifically
VOTE: ABSTAIN 380 This one's the aces though, so I could see it having a thing. Why didn't you use the wording "may exchange two Aces" though? Is it because of the color of Spades and Clubs?
VOTE: YEA 378 This one's perfectly fine though.

[logan5123]

Amend 382: Players may spend 15 coins in order to get 1 reputation, and vice versa.

Had a feeling that conversion rate was wrong somehow.
Edit: Still won't abstain or yea on the prime numbers, but I changed my mind on this. VOTE: YEA 380
sure why not

[logan5123]

also I looked at something and suddenly my honor hurts
I know what I must do

Duel Jake the Wolfie (again)

The last one was dumb, this time I'll win probably

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 379 VOTE: YEA 380
What will happen if we have more than 5 proposals when the motion for 8 proposals expires
speaking of eight proposals, for a second I was bummed because I had to wait 3 days in order to propose it again but then I remembered
that rule no longer exists
so I'm good

[logan5123]

Amend 381: Motions may be extended with a majority vote. Extending a motion sets the countdown to a different amount than originally stated. The time of the extension is chosen in the extension request.

I decided to clarify mine as well, pls re-vote

[logan5123]

you know what? I'm gonna do the last proposal.
At least until the confirmed approved proposals resolve.

385: Amend 315: Unless otherwise specified, all immutable rules require a supermajority of active votes to be amended.

This amendment serves a dual purpose: removing an irrelevant section (the "repeal" part, due to 352) and changing the qualification for amendations from unanimous consent to a supermajority, to match 378. (That is how you spell amendations, right?)

[logan5123]

I mean I got robbed last time so that's why I did it again

bribes are dumb

[logan5123]

allo killing like 5 proposals in a single post is a mood

[logan5123]

Ah, kingmaker.
Sorry, I missed this, but this is how the world works.
VOTE: YEA 387

388: More than one president cannot be nominated in a party. Parties must vote on a president. Parties individually decide how they vote on presidential nominees.

whistles in not political

[logan5123]

probably worded that wrong, going to bed though so tell me later

bye

[logan5123]

guess who's back
back again
ya boi's back
tell a friend
VOTE: IRCHER WINS

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 389
Hey, so I just had a revelation and it's slightly driving me insane, and I want you guys to feel suffering, so is this statement true: "Any basic statement can be disproved with enough thinking." Like, I was originally gonna say no for stuff like "1 + 1 = 2" but then I thought about it and I was like "but what about base 1" and for "the sky is blue" the most obvious one my original counterargument was "What about colorblindness" but then I thought about "what about animals who can see more or less colors than us" and now I'm in an existential crisis help

[logan5123]

Also, now that I'm out of existential crisis mode, I just realized that Ircher literally denied my proposal only to immediately make it himself.

Bruh. Just bruh.

390: Players may "credit" proposals to a player other than themselves. Doing so gives any rewards gained upon passing to the credited player.

This not only serves to prevent snipes from mattering but also can be used as leverage to get a player to vote a specific way

without forcing them to do it.

Forcing players to do specific things due to other players actions is a bad thing.

Edit: formatting

[logan5123]

VOTE: ABSTAIN 391 VOTE: YEA 393 VOTE: NAY 392
ya yeet

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 394
Amendation for all amendable things proposal when

[logan5123]

395: Players in a contract may alter the contract with a supermajority.

Unanimously? No.

[logan5123]

397: In the case the game ends via rule 396, the winner is the player with the most Reputation.

Let's get down to business.
To win. The game.

[logan5123]

I have no idea what to do now, so yeah.
Guess I'll just sit here.

[logan5123]

eh no worries
more than anything I'm waiting for an opening for something interesting

[logan5123]

Oh shit, here we go again.

398: Presidents gain 1 reputation for each consecutive term, multiplied by the number of terms.

399: Presidents cannot be elected more than 5 times in a row.

Man, imagine if 398 gets approved and 399 denied.
What if, man?

[logan5123]

oh, and uh

Nominate Ircher

I'll still advocate for myself but I can't self nominate and Ircher being kingmaker kinda scares me so

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 400
Worth a shot, but nah.

[logan5123]

hi lemme just

402: A player may vote "Nay with reservations" on any proposal made after this rule. A player who does so should, but is not required to, explain the reservations the player holds that prevent an unqualified Nay vote. A Nay with reservations is indistinct from a normal Nay vote for the purposes of calculating the number of Nay votes needed to fail a proposal.

Credit 402 to StrangerCoug

VOTE: YEA 401

[logan5123]

there's a seven limit now, remember?
that was passed a while back

[logan5123]

fuck
I don't think I can even veto that one

[logan5123]

oh yeah before I forget

404: A player cannot be nominated as president if it would cause all active players to be nominated for the presidency.

Niche? Yes. Needed? Maybe, if every player gets nominated that means that all players could vote for themselves leading to a tie.
What does a tie even do in elections?

[logan5123]

I'll add a backdoor just in case that happens.

406: If no player gets an absolute majority in any given election, no President will be elected. The timer will still start as if a President had been elected, however no President will fill the spots and all actions done by a President either cannot be initiated or will not occur. If the game has no current President as a result of this occurring, a player may spend any positive amount of Reputation to stage a coup. Once a coup has been staged, all active players may spend half the amount of Reputation, rounded down, to cancel the coup. If it has been 24 hours and nobody has cancelled any given coup, the player who initiated the coup will become President, acting as if they had been elected in the previous election. All actions occurring upon election of a president occur once a successful coup resolves.

If I missed anything, point it out to me.

[logan5123]

I tried, I guess

shrug

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 405
Somehow completely forgot to do this

[logan5123]

VOTE: logan5124

407: All presidential nominees automatically vote for themselves in the general election phase of an election.

[logan5123]

Here we go again.

[logan5123]

408: Any proposals that have lasted 96 hours after this proposal is approved or when they are proposed, whichever comes second, will be approved/denied early, depending on the votes. Proposals with an equal amount of YEA and NAY votes (hereafter referred to as "tied proposals") are NAYed. Timers on proposals through 408 are public, and can be seen by all players.

This is to prevent us forgetting about a proposal for a week.
It's also way too long, to prevent us from getting sniped by the timer. It should only come into play in really niche circumstances. (Such as when one player refuses to vote for whatever reason.)

[logan5123]

Ah yes, the patented strat of "just wait out the clock on proposals you don't like"
No dice, I'd say this'd encourage more activity.
Who knows though, maybe I'm wrong? Try the other version if this one fails.

[logan5123]

eh fine.

Amend 408: Any proposals that have lasted 96 hours after this proposal is approved or when they are proposed, whichever comes second, will be denied.

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 409 with reservations
Don't we already have a proposal like that.
Also:

Advisory board is Ircher, StrangerCoug, and Allomancer

[logan5123]

wait it did?
hmm.
ok then.
VOTE: ABSTAIN 409
Also

410: Amend 405 to read: "A player may vote "[Yea/Nay/Abstain] with reservations" on any proposal made after this rule, which shall henceforth be known as a vote with reservations. A player who does so should, but is not required to, explain the reservations the player holds that prevent an unqualified vote. A vote with reservations is indistinct from a normal vote for the purposes of calculating the number of votes needed to [pass/fail] a proposal."

Credit 50% of 410 to StrangerCoug if possible, otherwise Credit 410 to StrangerCoug

Just adding abstain dmm

[logan5123]

Every time I'm not in the Advisory board, it makes me less and leass lilely to like the proposals that the President makes.

Every time you make a post like this (in both the spelling, grammar and general sense), it decreases the chance that I put you on my Advisory Board.

[logan5123]

Oh, and as for the reservations rule: there's really no difference for any of them, so I figured I would add abstaining to the mix in order to finish off the stack.

[logan5123]

Oh.
Well I tried.

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA with reservations 411
This is already great but it doesn't actually cancel the attempt, just penalizes.
...I think. Might be wrong.

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 413
VOTE: YEA 409

[logan5123]

Ah yes, bribery.
Oh, and:

414: A player may spend 100,000 coins to declare a card of their choice in a deck, draw it, and add a copy of it back into the deck.

There's exactly one reason to do this. Not telling you what reason it is, though.

[logan5123]

welp
time for me to do a thing
bye y'all I gotta go make 5 cards and no more than 10

[logan5123]

back, I did the thing
and I think my proposal may have failed due to too many abstains

[logan5123]

Oh.
Also, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, Jake, does the game of 1000 blank cards have a suckbox of any sort? I have at least one proposal (YES, PROPOSAL, NOT CARD) that might need it later.
Trust me, I just thought of something interesting.

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 415
VOTE: NAY 416

415 is nice. That works.
416, though... nah. I want to discuss the games while they're going on, you know.
Also you just provided precedence to claims automatically opening up their slots upon failing or passing, so hooray to that!

[logan5123]

alright, since I've got some slots, let's define time:

417: For proposals, "a timely matter" is defined as seven (7) days, and "an officially timely matter" is defined as the end of the next week. A day ends at 12:00 AM, from this point on called "midnight", in the EST or EDT time zone. As of passing, it is the EDT time zone. The moderator decides when the time zones change. A week ends upon any given Saturday ending.

Yes, I did just define midnight.

[logan5123]

My logic for that is simple:
You made 415 and 416 before failing the other 5.
I may be overthinking it though; timing is weird.

really though I just want that to be a thing pls do

[logan5123]

VOTE: Abstain 417. Give me some example uses.

Like for instance:
"672: All motions must be passed or failed in a timely matter; otherwise they fail."

[logan5123]

I tried, ok?

And as for the time rule, having consistent vocabulary helps!
With that part aside though, there's no way around the "an officially timely matter" part.
I may or may not be overestimating how long this will take based off Agora as well so :shrug:

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 418

[logan5123]

I don't actually think Jake is playing. Jake, please confirm or deny this, along with the existence of a suckbox.

[logan5123]

Hmm, that does seem like that has an information advantage, huh?
Who knows though, we may all be able to see the non-blank cards, not sure though.
Then again, a host has played in 1000 white cards before...

..and lost...

[logan5123]

Ah that makes sense.

Ah okay.

It's hard to have much of a game with only two people.

You'd be surprised.

[logan5123]

I've got nothing to lose.

VOTE: VETO 416

please work please work

[logan5123]

ircher.
Also, pls vote on 414. (preferrably YEA)
It's expiring in like 6 hours, and I don't want to have to redo the entire process.

[logan5123]

oh.

oh.
ok then

[logan5123]

honestly I'm kinda with Jake on this one.

Only kinda, though

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 419

VOTE: YEA 420

419 is almost impossible to prove having been done, and as a bonus, makes inviting harder.

420 (heh) is fine though. (double heh)

[logan5123]

Well, that's fair. Still won't change my vote though.

Here's some proposals as well

421: Players may not make proposals that target specifically named players. Attempting to do so will cause the player to lose 5 reputation.

This doesn't apply to stuff like "The president draws a card" because it doesn't target a specific player.

422: Players may gain strikes. Whenever players gain coins due to time, they have one strike removed if they have one. If a player has 3 strikes at any given time, they are removed from the game and cannot rejoin for 72 hours.

This is currently useless, however you can both:
A. Amend previous proposals dealing with unbreakable rules to add strikes upon being "broken"
and
B. Add new proposals which add strikes upon doing things that you are not supposed to do.

[logan5123]

I don't appreciate having to actually *follow* rules.

That's both a mood and kinda defeats the purpose of the game

oh, and I'm saving this for later lmao

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 423
Time to amend one of my earlier rules later to add an explanation.


Also, Primary Phase is up on the election.

[logan5123]

Yeah Ircher I'm with you on the "unsure on the wording" part of 421. However, it's the only way to word it I can think of...

..right now..


Edit: And as for the "too low player count for strikes" and "the strikes fade away too easily" part, both of those combined work together fine. The only way to even get enough strikes to get removed is to either make a huge mistake 3 times in a row or invalidate a rule that gives you 2 strikes and a rule that gives you 1, or invalidate a rule that for some reason gives you 3 strikes.

[logan5123]

I guess you can say that 422 got...

striked out?

Also pls vote for me

[logan5123]

424: Every player starts with 20 thousand (20,000) Life. It may be increased or decreased by other rules. Life does not count as "points" for the purposes of 393. A player cannot win while they have less than 1 Life. While a player has 0 Life or less, they gain a thousand (1,000) Life every time they would gain coins. [I know what I'm doing with this, trust me.]

425: Players may exchange 1 reputation for a thousand (1,000) Life, but not vice versa. This is done automatically if any given player has more than 0 reputation and 0 or less Life. This proposal automatically fails if 424 fails.

[logan5123]

My intent with the Life system is to have something that works as a "health meter" that can't be also spent on various stuff. I'm basically trying to separate the money and the health, when previously they were the same thing, now they shall be different things.

[logan5123]

Hey mod, random ruling question: If a contract is created without any players in it, is the contract automatically destroyed?

I'm asking this because I just realized something and want Jake to hate me more

[logan5123]

ok then worth a shot

[logan5123]

426: Contracts without any signatories for 1 hour are destroyed.

One hour's fair, right? ... right?

[logan5123]

VOTE: APPROVE 427

Ha, you expect me to allow you to deny me my full term?

As if.

Edit: talking to jake

[logan5123]

oh and

Board is Allomancer, Ircher, and StrangerCoug.

still approving 427

[logan5123]

Locking things behind something as fluid as player count seems like a bad time, especially since it isn't really controllable; either people join or they don't. You just have to be a good host and hope.

oh and VOTE: NAY 428

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 429

VOTE: YEA 430

Wait, really? Swore that the approval rule was approved.

OK then.

[logan5123]

Oh, and as for the automatic conversion, it's a way to prevent inflation: Just kill the person with all the money and they'll be forced to spend some of it to revive themselves!

Repeat until not inflated


oh and you might be able to find a loophole otherwise, making it automatic just works


besides, if you want to not win that much just convert it into coins in advance

[logan5123]

now that I realized what I just said


uh


that's a bad moral
to say the least

[logan5123]

VOTE: ABSTAIN 432
VOTE: NAY with reservations 431
So I would YEA this but contracts are kinda based around targeting specific people so no
VOTE: UNVOTE 425 VOTE: YEA 425
VOTE: UNVOTE 424 VOTE: YEA 424
If I'm correct about the wording of 413 this passes 424 and 425 but I might be wrong.

[logan5123]

wait if you have to close it that means that it works right

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 435

VOTE: NAY 434

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 436
Using logic that you yourself used earlier. We can give specific rules Life penalties later.
VOTE: ABSTAIN 433
This seems more like a problem with 413 itself. My recommended course of action would be to reword 413 to prevent this type of stuff but who knows

[logan5123]

437: If a proposal fails due to the timer running out, all players not voting on the proposal lose 500 Life.

Is this too small of a penalty or no? I don't want the vote limit to be raised to 10 some time in the future (I mean, not that I'm advocating for it), one player not voting on all of them because they're on vacation or some shit, and them getting straight up slaughtered.

[logan5123]

438: Amend 356: Breaking a contract for any reason causes you to lose 2000 Life and 30 reputation.

[logan5123]

Amend 437: If a proposal fails due to the timer running out, all players not voting on the proposal lose 250 Life.

OK then

Also on the blanket rule thing: this is like the first of many times this is gonna happen, so yeah.

439: Losing a duel causes you to lose either half your Life or 5000 Life, whichever is higher. [So basically, losing a duel makes you die]

[logan5123]

I mean to be fair on 439 I am trying to make Duels be game-changing things so having it completely change boards is a given.

Just wait until I add items and add a gun that allows you to gain half the losers Life if you win a duel

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 440

441: Weapons and armor may have additional effects. Additional effects detail what else the weapon/armor causes. All additional effects are superseded by both rules and motions.

[logan5123]

I'm assuming that I worded it right then, because it passed.

[logan5123]

Wait hold up how do we even get weapons

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 433
edit: fuck got sniped
also

Convert 4 reputation to 20 coins. Buy 10 lottery tickets.

FLOODING THE MARKET BABYYYY

[logan5123]

VOTE: ABSTAIN M011

[logan5123]

Fuck, I can't approve my cheap plastic trophy

aww man

VOTE: Y E S 444

[logan5123]

Motion M012: logan5124 gets 1 weapon called a "cheap plastic trophy", which does 1 damage and has no effect. This motion lasts for 1 second. The weapon is not removed when the motion expires.

Hey, I said "proposals", not "motions".

[logan5123]

445: Amend 360: The position of the president shall be established. The president shall have the right to unilaterally veto a single proposal OR a single motion during their term by specifying VOTE: VETO ###

[logan5123]

well fuck uh

Motion M013: For the purposes of previous motions, logan5123's name is logan5124. Any effects that would've occurred due to this occur now. This motion lasts for 10 seconds.

annd saved

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 446
I would straight up veto it but I don't feel like doing that

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA M014
Boi I can grab more if you want

[logan5123]

nOOOO
ALLO WHY

[logan5123]

Nominate Ircher.

I can't have a go around this round, so I'll nominate the host.
also
VOTE: YEA 447 VOTE: YEA M015 VOTE: YEA M016

Motion M017: There is hereby added a cannon to the weapons shop with a price of 2000 coins. When used on another player, 500 life (minus any life prevented from being deducted by armor) is deducted from the attacked player. Every time this weapon is used, the attacking player loses 25 coins. This motion lasts one second; however, cannons may continue to be purchased until another motion removes them for sale. This motion shall fail automatically if Proposal 447 fails. [As for why they lose coins upon usage: cannonballs, plus gunpowder.]

Wooden swords mean nothing in the face of literal cannons.

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 449
VOTE: YEA 448
hey look something that makes a previous proposal of mine irrelevant
thanks ircher

[logan5123]

Like I don't mind, but thanks

[logan5123]

VOTE: Ircher for pres
You do know you can vote for yourself, right?

...and I'm assuming yes on the weapons and armor multiple times part, not sure though. If it's one time then I need to reword the cannon.

[logan5123]

VOTE: ABSTAIN 450
Make it ignore the excess motions instead and I'll YEA it.

[logan5123]

For once bribery isn't working

[logan5123]

Also if I had known that Jake's "president fucking dies" shot existed when I had seen 450 I would've YEAed it
because holy crap that thing is broken as hecc

[logan5123]

VOTE: StrangerCoug for Pres

ok then :shrug:

[logan5123]

OK that works.

Amend Motion M017: There is hereby added a cannon to the weapons shop with a price of 2000 coins. When used on another player, 500 life (minus any life prevented from being deducted by armor) is deducted from the attacked player. Every time this weapon is used after the first, the attacking player loses 200 coins. This motion lasts one second; however, cannons may continue to be purchased until another motion removes them for sale. [As for why they lose coins upon usage: cannonballs, plus gunpowder.] This motion shall fail automatically if Proposal 447 fails.

Alternatively, we can have an ammo system; cannons will require cannonballs. Right now though, this seems to work.
Also, there's 20000 life. 500 life for 2k coins + 200 coins seems a bit overpriced.

[logan5123]

I win

[logan5123]

What do I get for winning the lottery though?

[logan5123]

hmm. I was honestly expecting more.
Welp, I screwed up but whatever

451: Amend 430: Players may buy lottery tickets for 20 coins. Every time a player buys a lottery ticket, 15 coins are added to the pot. A 1d{Number of Tickets} shall be rolled in the thread. The moderator will keep track of lottery ticket numbers; the winner is the player whose lottery ticket number is rolled. Lottery ticket numbers begin at 1 each week. The winner gains all of the coins in the pot, and draws a card.

Hoping this is numbered right, and I have no reason to assume it's not.

[logan5123]

eh ok

Amend 451: Amend 430: Players may buy lottery tickets for 20 coins. Every time a player buys a lottery ticket, 10 coins are added to the pot. A 1d{Number of Tickets} shall be rolled in the thread. The moderator will keep track of lottery ticket numbers; the winner is the player whose lottery ticket number is rolled. Lottery ticket numbers begin at 1 each week. The winner gains all of the coins in the pot, and draws a card.

[logan5123]

452: Players may get status conditions. Status conditions last for a set/variable amount of time or a set/variable amount of posts. The effects of status conditions are mentioned in the condition itself.

For example, let's look at a weapon that causes a status condition:

M019: There is hereby added a judge's gavel to the weapon shop with a price of 750 coins. The judge's gavel may only be used on active players. The judge's gavel may only be used once. The judge's gavel deals 1 damage. When this weapon is used on an active player, it inflicts Unpopularity on that player. Players with Unpopularity lose 250 life for every 24 hours they go without winning a duel, getting an proposal/motion accepted, or winning a presidency. In addition, players with Unpopularity lose 10 life for every failed proposal/motion, lose 1,000 extra life whenever they lose a duel, and lose 500 life if they don't get any votes for an election for the presidency. This motion lasts one second; however, judge's gavels may continue to be purchased until another motion removes them for sale. This motion shall fail automatically if 452 fails.

Oh, also, that motion's valid, so consider that too.

[logan5123]

Actually, speaking of which:

Challenge Jake the Wolfie to a duel.

Come at me bruh.

[logan5123]

bows

Let us begin.

[logan5123]

While we have a break, random question for a stupid thing I might decide to do later: Can we attack ourselves?
Also, a "few" other things I'm doing:

453: In any actions which requires a player to name a specific player, a player may instead name Player Conditions, which are a set of descriptors that target exactly one user. [Example: If Player L wishes to target Player J. who has the least Reputation and therefore dies faster, with a duel, but doesn't want to get on Player J's bad side, instead of targeting Player J for a duel, Player L can target the player with the least Reputation, which at that time would be Player J.]

454: Players may delay actions by doing DELAY (the action) X, where X is a measurement of time, or a condition that must be met. Actions that are delayed to the end of time are cancelled outright. These actions will act as if they had been made when that measurement of time/condition is met. [Second clause is important: If this passes before 453, I will be making a DELAY-ed move immediately.]

Convert 101 reputation to 1530 coins, and buy 2 Judge's Gavels, a lottery ticket, a wooden sword, and a wooden shield.

Finally, for any future drinking games that come off of this game: take a drink for every usage of the words (or the plurals of) "rule", "duel", "coin", "reputation", "card", and "lottery". Oh, and "president". The rules (drink) will be especially bad in this matter, since they use those words a LOT.

[logan5123]

Oh, and if we're adding tenses to this theoretical drinking game, add "propose". And even if we aren't, add "player", "game", "point", "pending", and "moderator". That last one will be especially bad when I make a specific rule (drink) later.

[logan5123]

Well, notably, it makes one move that was denied earlier perfectly legal, namely what happened when Jake entered.

but yeah 453 honestly was made just for 454 to be more impactful.

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 456
I don't know how this would work, but sure.
Also, happy cake day Coug!

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 457
This game, I swear.

TIME FOR FIRE

M020: There is hereby added a torch to the weapons shop with a price of 250 coins. When used on another player, 1 life (minus any life prevented from being deducted by armor) is deducted from the attacked player. A torch may only be used once; upon said usage, it is destroyed. When you use a torch on a player, it destroys one (1) random flammable weapon or armor held by that player, if possible. Wooden swords, wooden shields, and judge's gavels are flammable. This motion lasts 1 second, however, torches may continue to be purchased until another motion removes them from sale. [Upgrade your stuff, guys.]

M021: There is hereby added a bronze shield to the armor shop with a price of 100 coins. When used to defend against another player, 100 life is deducted from the damage taken from the attacking player. This motion lasts one second; however, bronze shields may continue to be purchased until another motion removes them from sale.

M022: There is hereby added a mirror shield to the armor shop with a price of 10,000 coins. When used to defend against another player, -5 life is deducted from the damage taken from the attacking player. After this resolves, the damage you take is set to zero, and the damage you would've taken is instead deducted from your opponent. This armor may only be used once; afterwards, this armor breaks and 500 Life is removed from its holder. This motion lasts one second; however, mirror shields may continue to be purchased until another motion removes them from sale. [The 500 Life? It's glass. What do you expect to happen when it breaks?]

[logan5123]

...oh, and

DELAY (use a Judge's Gavel on the player with the least Reputation) whenever 453 is passed

pls work pls work

[logan5123]

oof
thought it did
I tried