Mini Normal 2119 [game over]

[Alisae]

Hello People!
I am here on behalf of a duck with urgent news!
Please be nice to each other!
Thank you very much

[Alisae]

Hello People!
I am here on behalf of a duck with urgent news!
Please be nice to each other!
Thank you very much

This is our ONLY warning. We will force replace if this continues.

[Alisae]

vote count 1.15

bugspray (5)

: Iconeum, GuiltyLion, bji, AaronFrost, Looker

Looker (2)

: bugspray, wilky

Datisi (2)

: emps, Tchill13

wilky (1)

: bob3141

not voting: Pine, Menalque, Datisi

This phase ends in (expired on 2020-02-18 08:00:00)


mod notes: searching for a replacement for UltimatePlank
♥ remember to ♥ take ♥ the maf♥iascum ♥ valentines ♥ quiz ♥
quack

[Alisae]

vote count 1.16

bugspray (5)

: Iconeum, GuiltyLion, bji, AaronFrost, Looker

Looker (3)

: bugspray, wilky, emps

wilky (1)

: bob3141

not voting: Pine, Menalque, Datisi, Tchill13

This phase ends in (expired on 2020-02-18 08:00:00)


mod notes: searching for a replacement for UltimatePlank
♥ remember to ♥ take ♥ the maf♥iascum ♥ valentines ♥ quiz ♥
quack

[Alisae]

@MOD: Emps is voting me, not Datisi

You are absolutely right I was probably high when I posted that VC. It’ll be fixed soonish

[Alisae]

@Mod: why don't you list the number of votes for a lynch? Would eliminate some confusion and make the game better. Thanks.

It will always be half of the remaining players alive +1. half of 13 is 6 (rounded down) so adding 1 to that is 7. 11 = 6, 9 = 5, and so on and so on. Duck can add it to his vcs or not but this is just telling how it works

[Alisae]

oh boy this is gonna be another one of those games

@tw

can we get a day extension because of the replacement, please?

Sure!

[Alisae]

~

[Alisae]

vote count 1.20

Looker (5)

: Chemist1422, wilky, emps, AaronFrost, Datisi

Chemist1422 (3)

: Iconeum, GuiltyLion, bji

wilky (2)

: bob3141, Looker

bob3141 (1)

: Menalque

not voting: Pine, Tchill13

with 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

This phase ends in (expired on 2020-02-19 08:00:00)


mod notes: quack

[Alisae]

VOTE: micc

When you try your best but you don't succeed
When you get what you want but not what you need
When you feel so tired but you can't sleep
Stuck in reverse

When the tears come streaming down your face
'Cause you lose something you can't replace
When you love someone but it goes to waste
What could it be worse?

[Alisae]

Town Lost gj u did it

[Alisae]

duckie will do all of the wrap up when they got off of work, but I'm just here to say the results

[Alisae]

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=82203
dead pt

[Alisae]

for me
my fun was designing the setup and I like it
ik a lot of the discussion about it is in the dead PT, but I think the only thing I would have done differently was take out the town ascetic.

[Alisae]

ok i win

[Alisae]

btw Micc, if you haven't caught up with the dead PT yet.

Full setup when it comes ot things you don't know
icon ofc was a tracker/follower

mena was a 1-shot strongman
encrypter was informed of a roleblocker
doc was informed of a cop

cop was informed of a doc

[Alisae]

can't wait to begin the hazing ritual!

[Alisae]

And thanks Alisae for giving us an epic and very educational setup!

hey duckie came up with the idea of an informed cop.
I just built off of that.

[Alisae]

oooooooh micc
you have no idea how many times I think that in games

[Alisae]

mena read my comments on the setup in the dead PT

[Alisae]

Alisae I will be interested in hearing your thoughts about the setup after the game.

pedit: Datisi your conclusion I think was the whole point of the setup. "So town sided as to be balanced".

town informed cop [there is a doctor]
town odd night roleblocker
town rolestopper
7 VTs

vs.

scum ascetic informed doctor [there is a cop]
informed goon [there is an odd night roleblocker]
even night strongman

that was deemed to be to scumsided so we adjusted the ascetic to be activatable, made the goon an ecrypter, and made the strongman 1-shot.
We then ungated the roleblocker, added a combined tracker/follower.

this leaves us with

Town Informed Cop (there's a doctor)
Town Roleblocker
Town Rolestopper
Town Combined Follower/Tracker
Town Ascetic

vs.
Scum Informed Doctor Activated Ascetic (there is a cop)
Informed Encrypter (there's a roleblocker)
1s Strongman

The idea was that scum's strength was the information it had and to adjust their strategy going into the day with that information.
The 1-shot strongman was supposed to go first. Bussing that gives scum a lot of room to discredit claims.
Apparently, according to NRG, this is 50/50 balanced but swingy and I don't mind swing so...

OK so now all the roles are out there. So yeah my partner 1 shotted the cop through both a roleblock and rolestop. After that we had no more power left to do anything except hope and pray that town lynched their rolestopper so that we wouldn't be left with cop #2 (follower/tracker) plus doctor #2 (rolestopper) plus a roleblocker.

pedit: Looker like I said we had to kill you because we feared you most.

I mean, if you flip a 1-SHOT Strongman first, this becomes a lot easier, the investigatives don't have macho, you argue that the setup was designed around FTC as all well designed setups are.

Unfortunately that happens.
Yes this is how I wanted you to play, but by making you guys informed of what town has in store, these are things you can reasonably conclude yourself.

telling Chemist to claim Cop is another thing.
If you can get the cop outed, then you have an easy strongman on the Cop. You know you're getting value out of it.

the 1-shot strongman here was designed around being lynched.
Playing scum in this setup means you're going to learn something from this game about how you play around roles and thinking about that. Its supposed to teach you how to play around setups that seem really townsided.

I gave you the tools you needed, you just need to think about what the best way of using them is.

[Alisae]

you have 2 ways of playing this
A. getting chemist to out the cop early by claiming cop
B. Using the fact that the doctor looks good within the setup and lynching the strongman, and using the strongman to discredit claims.

pedit: Follow the Cop

[Alisae]

Okay but you can deal with the town power.
You have the information, you need to be smart about it.

Your biggest tool when it comes to dealing with the amount of town power is to discredit it using information that was previously flipped.
For example, if you commit to a strongman bus, you can use that flip to discredit the roleblocker. You can use Chemist claiming doctor to discredit the rolestopper

[Alisae]

you have 2 ways of playing this
A. getting chemist to out the cop early by claiming cop

Unless the idea is to identify the cop by how people respond to the claim, I'd be very wary about this strategy.

From an outsider's perspective, the idea of FTC from the Cop's point of view is so obvious that it feels like a setup in the first place considering how strong that strategy is in the average game. Someone out of nowhere claiming cop, unless it's really carefully done, runs the risk of making it obvious to the cop that the doctor probably also knows they are in the game and are probably also scum just by how they're playing it.

At that point, there's no real reason to out at all, since if you can get another guilty, you get 2 scum for your own death.

This isn't going to be every scenario where this strategy is used, but I can see especially mechanically-minded players running through this type of thought process in response to it.

oh me and duckie agreed that no one would actually go out of their way to try and persue FTC as an actual strategy

[Alisae]

also chemist WAS the doctor in that situation and was the person holding hte information that there was a cop, so I'm not sure how you get 2 scum from that.

[Alisae]

1-shot strongman isn't enough
its better to bus it and use that flip to discredit prs

[Alisae]

People should really consider player's roles when bussing

[Alisae]

again, my only real regret was maybe adding the town ascetic was too much

[Alisae]

People should really consider player's roles when bussing

Why? We won. We won using the strategy that always wins in every scum game I have ever played. We acted well. That's all we needed.

im sayin in general

[Alisae]

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