Pikmin Mafia - Game over

[Nightson]

People should be voting reds.

[mikeburnfire]

Vote Count!
With 10 alive, it will take 6 to lynch.

1 Greasy Spot (skitzer)
Not voting: armlx, dcorbe, Greasy Spot, The Jester, Claus, Kison, Porochaz, Nightson, Xdaamno

[Nightson]

oh right,

vote: jester

[Kison]

Gorrad's List :

Red:
Flameaxe
JDodge II
-----------
Xdaamno
Ghostwriter
Jester
dcorbe

Nightson, out of curiosity, why Jester over the other three?

I'm going to review the four reds. For now, I'm going to tentatively

Vote : Xdaamno

for excessive unwillingness to contribute.

[Xdaamno]

FTR, I just saw this thread open now.

I'm ashamed of this game, tbh - I've obv let you all down on content. Kison, here's some metas to prove my level of content is usually consistent as town or scum:

Scum:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5415
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6577

Town:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7846
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8018

Only two games as scum I can find :/

[Kison]

Of the reds, then, who do you believe is scum and why?

[armlx]

I'm so lost right now. The 3 possible scum (imo) reds are all people I am having difficulty reading (xdaamno is excluded for aforementioned reasons).

[Claus]

Hey there.

Funny thing that Gorrad was Eaten AND burned. Not sure if everyone noticed that. This means we have two mafia, and not mafia + SK.

I'll try to analyze the players tomorrow - spend too much time on other games today

[Xdaamno]

Of the reds, then, who do you believe is scum and why?

Porochaz
Jester
dcorbe

If asked to indicate

one, specific

red as being scum rather than giving my opinion on everyone, I'd tell you to stop being such a twat. If pressed, however, I'd probably go for

schizophrenic

The Jester, because that's who everyone else is going for and therefore has, from the off, a larger chance of being scum than dcorbe or Porochaz.

Unless you actually want me to read players for a while, before making a blind accusation - in which case I'll widthold my judgement for a while.

[Xdaamno]

for a while, for a while ._.

[Xdaamno]

EBWOP: The reason I'm a little peeved, Kison, is you've been doing this all game to me (preview-edit: along with the fact I've had a bad day, so take this with a grain of salt). Asking difficult questions rather than letting me construct my own thoughts over time. It's not a scum tell on yourself, and you have the best intentions, but... :/

Hm. The more I think about it, the more I want to retract the last two posts ¬.¬

[Kison]

You've admitted to being disappointed with your own contribution to the game. Asking you questions gives you something to respond to.

[armlx]

because that's who everyone else is going for and therefore has, from the off, a larger chance of being scum than dcorbe or Porochaz.

You actually believe this?

Also, way to be useless xdaamno....

[Claus]

Let's see here...

===
Assumptions:
We have two mafia (Two attacks on Gorrad last night). With 20 players, I'd say at least 3 members on each team. That means at least 4 scum are still alive.

This means that probably we have some scum among the non-red as well, but the red are a good place as any to start re-reading people.
===
Short version:

Vote: Porochaz

For the largest ammount of pro-scum actions (wagon-hopping, and defense of Sonickid)

Dcorbe would be a weak second, for a couple of small scum tells.

I don't really see why people are voting for The Jester. He seems the least scummy of the reds.

I'll read the other players... someday

===
Re-reading the Reds:

Xdaamno:
Post 6 - OMGUS Jdodge
Posts 7,8 - Backs off from the OMGUS on Jdodge.
Post 12: Question - was the vote on Armlx serious?
Post 15: Question - here you unvote JtP and votes GS. What was the rationale for the unvote?
Post 18-19: What was this?
- Posts a bit more on the claim stage, but not really anything terribly exciting
- Except for the "no order suggestion" that was nice.
- The "here is my meta" post today does not make me happy.

Porochaz/GhostWriter:
Post 1: Votes GS for the slip (3rd vote)
Post 2: Removes the vote "for discussion"
Post 3: Votes ZS (5th vote in the bandwagon)
Post 6: Smells scummy - makes his reason for voting ZS bigger than they were. Defends SonickID.
Post 8: Votes JTP/Miztief
Post 11: Only serious vote is Kison
Post 14: Drops the suspicion on Kison, without a good reason, when attacked.
Post 17: Votes Windkirby (after he claimed scum)
(Porochaz replace)
Post 4: Votes JTP for bomb (hammer)
Post 5: Question: What was this post, exactly, a defense of GS or Skitzer?

dcorbe/blazerunner
Post 2: Votes ShinHatsubai for "role fishing" - reasonably townie post.
Post 3: Cult FUD
-- disappears until zombie wagon --
Post 4: Laments Zombie wagon
Post 6: Votes Jdodge for attack on Xdammno
Posts 7-10: Attacks on Jdodge seem town-like
Post 11: Attacks GS
Post 12: Accepts GS' defense
(dcorbe replaced)
Post 2: I say hay, he jumps. (I love this scumtell)
Post 4: Votes windkirby post claim.
Comments on fakeclaims during the claim proccess, a small scumtell for me, but not that serious.
Post 13: Promises comments about the claims, never delivers.
Post 18: Does not make a lot of sense.


Jester/UA
UA: contributes with almost nothing.
(Jester replaces)
Post 3: Criticizes GS and JTP wagons
Post 5: Votes WK for the GS attack
Post 9,19: attacks WK post claim
Post 11-13: resists color claim
Post 16-17: attacks JtP for claim

[Xdaamno]

Re-reading the Reds:

Xdaamno:
Post 6 - OMGUS Jdodge

Urgh. Did you even read what happened? I didn't vote - I didn't even indicate JDodge as scum whatsoever

Posts 7,8 - Backs off from the OMGUS on Jdodge.

See above, though it's worth noting I didn't "back off", I corrected a small mistake. Reading is -TECH-.

Post 12: Question - was the vote on Armlx serious?

Yes - I believe the use of apostrophises has a direct positive correlation to the chance of being scum /sarcasm

Post 15: Question - here you unvote JtP and votes GS. What was the rationale for the unvote?

Can't remember, though it's rather obviously not relevant. I had a reason, I remember that much.

Please don't pursue this point for the sake of it. I can't and won't be able to remember, and it's a null tell /meta.

/overdefensiveness-scumtell-is-flawed-meta

Post 18-19: What was this?

A joke, like post 12.

- Posts a bit more on the claim stage, but not really anything terribly exciting

Then I assume when you reply to this post you'll leave out this point, also.

- Except for the "no order suggestion" that was nice.

This one too.

- The "here is my meta" post today does not make me happy.

Now I'm confused. Why? If I was scum, I'd know any metas I gave would be certainly flawed, so I wouldn't post them, i.e. null or town tell.

Obligatory FOS: Claus, regardless of colour and whatnot.

[Xdaamno]

To clarify "overdefensiveness-is-flawed-meta", there'll be several places where I try and tide away a subject and I may appear to be trying to hide something. However, I'm doing that to shorten the length of the analysis by leaving out universally unimportant points, making it more manageable for everyone. If you have a very valid argument relating to that point, I obviously have no objections - otherwise I won't "mark you down" for not responding to every little thing.

[Xdaamno]

*tidy away a subject -_-

[Claus]

Hmm, Xdaamno, I think you're reading a bit too much in my analysis. Afterall I'm voting Poro and putting dcorbe as the second. In particular, I'm not accusing you of "overdefensiveness" (which I agree is not a scumtell).

As for your question - I don't like self metas. What you say that "If I were scum I would know this is flawed" just don't follow. Someone posting their own meta reads to me like "Hey, this is the way I want you to think about me" - Then again, I usually don't like the use of metas much in general.

That said, other than that I don't see anything scummy about you right now.

[armlx]

I think I figured it out, but I'll wait to see how that player responds to Claus's PBPA to vote.

[Claus]

Awww... I hate when people do that.

[armlx]

Awww... I hate when people do that.

I do too, but if I said what I was thinking it would ruin it.

[Xdaamno]

Hmm, Xdaamno, I think you're reading a bit too much in my analysis. Afterall I'm voting Poro and putting dcorbe as the second. In particular, I'm not accusing you of "overdefensiveness" (which I agree is not a scumtell).

As for your question - I don't like self metas. What you say that "If I were scum I would know this is flawed" just don't follow. Someone posting their own meta reads to me like "Hey, this is the way I want you to think about me" - Then again, I usually don't like the use of metas much in general.

That said, other than that I don't see anything scummy about you right now.

Actually, I agree

PBPAs are always exaggerated (Yes, I'm guilty of that too). Sorry, swingy playstyle here, for some reason.

[Claus]

*bump*

[Greasy Spot]

Will be out of town on the 25th and 26th. Posting in all games.

[armlx]

*bump*

I concur.

I think I'm just gonna go ahead and

Vote Porochaz

. The issue was his lurking here, which reminds me a lot of his behavior in Weather Mafia as Mafia Godfather (post every few days with something really short and semi-relevant). Though it looks like a small sample size, I can see the pattern already developing. Also another ongoing to support this.