Twice Baked Wrestling: Brawl at the Bakery! {Game Over}

[Wondertank]

The flavour is not flavour. It's fucking prophecy.

~insomnia

[Wondertank]

Will also try condensing my posts into walls. I can't promise anything for ali though.

~insomnia

[Wondertank]

He's at our mercy. Are you scum reading him for not revealing his identity?

~insomnia

[Wondertank]

For the record, I don't know who you are and I find being distracted with trying to figure out your identity to be a dumb distraction.

Why are you interested in the identity of someone you don't know?

[Wondertank]

btw for the record, since people might not know, here is a key to figuring out who is posting!
ali doesn't sign
insomnia does

[Wondertank]

So it wasn't because they were a hydra themselves?

This is why you voted them in the first place, right? If so, then you might actually be town for it...Hmm. You're kind of angling towards it, why not just state it?

~insomnia

[Wondertank]

For the record, I don't know who you are and I find being distracted with trying to figure out your identity to be a dumb distraction.

Why are you interested in the identity of someone you don't know?

Normally I'd just treat it as someone I've never played with. They are the one who've made it a factor by taunting it here:

It's not going to be hard figuring this head out.

And actually, are we a secret?

and pointing out that at least one other player knows them (your other head).

I'm not interested in knowing the identity of a secret hydra and they aren't scum for keeping it hidden. But why is their strategy to taunt people like me for their lack of meta-knowledge?

no idea. What makes you think he's excited to play scum instead of excited to play town?

[Wondertank]

I'm really confused. Is he roleplaying John Cena or is he claiming that as his flavor

IT'S JOHN CENAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

-JOHN CENA

dododo!

[Wondertank]

What makes you think he's excited to play scum instead of excited to play town?

Mathematical ratios. People are statistically more likely to play town, so being scum is more of a novelty. Hence scum tend to start the game with more excitement.

You're actually convincing me more that Cena and Savage are scum by making me think this out more.

My general experience with them is they strongly prefer playing town and get more excited over playing town.

[Wondertank]

They pinged me a little stronger than your team because they voted your team without any explanation. So it seems a little hypocritical.

I don't get it, what seems hypocritical out of this?

~inso

[Wondertank]

Yeah that's what I wanted to catch you off of but now that you stated it I honestly don't know what to fucking do with it.

My #42 was manufactured to make you actually think you'd get town read for it, but now that you actually openly admitted to it, I'm puzzled lmfao.


~insomnia

[Wondertank]

What makes you think he's excited to play scum instead of excited to play town?

Mathematical ratios. People are statistically more likely to play town, so being scum is more of a novelty. Hence scum tend to start the game with more excitement.

You're actually convincing me more that Cena and Savage are scum by making me think this out more.

My general experience with them is they strongly prefer playing town and get more excited over playing town.

So I should be expected to clear them on your word?

I mean,
right now I do think they're town.

[Wondertank]

Ok, now that you realised that you were projecting your reasoning, why are you still scum reading them?

I read something about misinterpreting, when has that ever happened?

~inso

[Wondertank]

VOTE: c&s

I am annoyed

Scum is annoyed I'm burying their buddy on page 3

YOU READY FOR SMACKDOWN?

-JOHN CENA

they're bad or scum tbh

[Wondertank]

Ok, now that you realised that you were projecting your reasoning, why are you still scum reading them?

It's that early game gut read. I've seen that scum style of being so annoying that people stop paying attention to you. I've done it before too.

I read something about misinterpreting, when has that ever happened?

Post 32 where they claim I'm "back-pedaling" and "spinning". It's eye-roll worthy, but it's more than anyone else has done.

I can follow their reasoning though.

My head hurts as I was playing 6D chess trying to bait you while also figuring the whole interaction out. My honest feeling on you as of right now is that you're probably town, if not for how you're reacting to everything, for the fact that every piece of information that you're letting out in each new post is adding to your story rather than untangling it to an obvious lie that catches a scum, and I find that more town indicative, if you fabricated such a convoluted thought process on the spot, then you're a fucking god of a wolf.

I think you're both town, ladies.

~inso

[Wondertank]

ok if ur going to leave our last conversation end like that, is it possible you can tell me what you were hoping to accomplish with these questions?

@Cena and Savage

Why did you vote Wondertank in your first vote?
Why are you taunting people with your anonymity?
I'm guessing you're voting me for being a second vote on you. Confirm/deny?

For the record, I don't know who you are and I find being distracted with trying to figure out your identity to be a dumb distraction.

[Wondertank]

Cena and Savage are both good guys, believe that!

Kublai Khan - not sold either way.

I'm always mildly suspicious of people who say an early dispute is "town vs town". So let's open with

Vote: Wondertank

What's your gripe with it if you don't even have a lean on KK yourself?

~inso

[Wondertank]

Cena and Savage are both good guys, believe that!

Kublai Khan - not sold either way.

I'm always mildly suspicious of people who say an early dispute is "town vs town". So let's open with

Vote: Wondertank

I actually agree with you with what you said regarding Cena and our slot, but I do think there's an arguement for KK being scum, though I need to engage him a bit more.

[Wondertank]

So basically I like Battle Mage as town atm.

[Wondertank]

So basically I like Battle Mage as town atm.

YES!!!! I've finally nailed it!!!

Seriously, this never happens.

I'm so happy I'm going to

Unvote

, at least until tomorrow when I read everything properly.

what are you excited about?

[Wondertank]

so reading up
I don't like KK and I don't like Panzer
VOTE: panzer

[Wondertank]

I was gonna read this and actually play but of course the hydra I was explicitly not told the identity of pregame is immediately being a complete dipshit

Vote: Cena and Savage

I'm not reading past the second page until this slot is gone or this person is replaced, k thx

a hydra you don't know the idenity of should not stop you from reading the game or playing it.
It's literally an excuse not to play the game. There's no town motivation behind it.

[Wondertank]

I'd policy lynch DGB tbh

[Wondertank]

btw here is why KK is scum

For 1, I don't believe there was any actual purpose behind the questioning in 27. I believe he was just firing off questions for the sake of it. Instead of answering my honestly by explaining the thought process of those questions, he just dismisses it with 123.

There's also his Cena read. He feels like Cena's excitement is scummy. I point out in 53 that this is a town trait for him. I also state that I am townreading him when he asks if it should be worth clearing them of in 57. Instead of being introduced new information and re-asses, like how town would because town wants to be right, he decides to keep the read.
There is also no reason for him not to trust me if he's town. I'm not saying he should townread me, but even if he didn't have a read on me at all, since I know him, I would likely like better at reading him then he is.
The read in general feels like a read that KK wants to present as ironclad and feels justified with, but I don't feel like its a read that he actually feels like is right, and even if he did, I disproved him.

[Wondertank]

I'd policy lynch DGB tbh

Totally on board with you RE: Panzer.

But why policy DGB?

don't trust her to make the correct decision in LyLo

[Wondertank]

every towngame I've seen from DGB she's been a liability, no offense.

[Wondertank]

I've got a town feel on insomnia and a scum feel on Alisae. Aren't hydras fun?

I would appreciate it if you stopped being pass-aggressive with how you feel hydras. You're playing with one, and I am trying the best I can to be nice.
Can you explain why you feel this way a bit more?

[Wondertank]

I'd policy lynch DGB tbh

Totally on board with you RE: Panzer.

But why policy DGB?

don't trust her to make the correct decision in LyLo

Get outta here

First of all I almost never make it in LYLO unless I'm totally not following the game.

Secondly I might have been wrong once in LYLO.

Take your garbage meta and curb it.

In the game last game I played with you where I was scum with Reck and UT, you were a scum assest and mislynch bait.
in Camn's Return, you did nothing pro-town and mislynched
and your playstyle isn't exactly one thats readable

[Wondertank]

I mean
you literally townread Panzer like
that kinda of proves my point ig

[Wondertank]

It's just not scummy for him to do that. It is something panzer would totally do, plus the hydra is being a huge pain in the ass I would be lying if I said I didn't have the same thought as him.

More votes on Flubber people

okay but saying "I REFUSE TO PLAY THE GAME" is pretty extreme don't cha think?

[Wondertank]

Anyhow I do think that the way DGB responded to my want to PL her is maybe town.
I also feel like her activity as scum is significantly less, and there was also a very old tell Titus told me about that so far, hasn't been disproven.

[Wondertank]

If Panzer or KK flip scum, Scot should be looked into.
If they both flip scum, then I would just lynch scot on the spot.

[Wondertank]

what's the town motivation behind it?

[Wondertank]

ok panzer, how am I being annoying?

[Wondertank]

no, i am blind and am therefore unable to read my own posts.
answer the question

[Wondertank]

I was gonna read this and actually play but of course the hydra I was explicitly not told the identity of pregame is immediately being a complete dipshit

Vote: Cena and Savage

I'm not reading past the second page until this slot is gone or this person is replaced, k thx

idunno coach, i don't think this is pro-town posting my guy!

[Wondertank]

im not even sure why panzer is calling me annoying when he tolerates playing league with me >_<

[Wondertank]

I was gonna read this and actually play but of course the hydra I was explicitly not told the identity of pregame is immediately being a complete dipshit

Vote: Cena and Savage

I'm not reading past the second page until this slot is gone or this person is replaced, k thx

idunno coach, i don't think this is pro-town posting my guy!

this is a really awkward and scummy post

Okay, would you like to tell me the town!motivation behind it?

[Wondertank]

I am conflicted because I know UT loves bussing for some reason but also I feel like his vote on me pings me and him defending panzer also pings me.

BTW, UT loves bussing, please keep this in mind if you lynch scum multiple times and he is on scum wagons

[Wondertank]

I've been there too tbh.
However, my immediate reaction as town is not protesting and refusing to play the game because of one player, but to at least make an attempt to play the game.
Its something that I've seen be done more as scum then town, its something I've down as scum, and its something that is just more benefical for scum to do then town.

[Wondertank]

what's the town motivation behind it?

Not much at all. Still doesnt make him scum.

What's the scum motivation for it?

[Wondertank]

what's the town motivation behind it?

Not much at all. Still doesnt make him scum.

What's the scum motivation for it?

You tell me. You are the one voting for him.

it makes him unreadable
It demoralizes the game
Its a pretty easy to use that as an excuse to not put out content

[Wondertank]

I am explaining why saying “I am refusing to read the game or play the game” and how that can benefit scum to someone with a 2007 join date. I also have to explain that to older join dates then mine (I’m late 2016).

[Wondertank]

Can you stop with PL bullshit? Mod literally gave tools to vig people, if several bands together, so use those at night. I want D1 lynch something that I can work with D2, not to be back to square 1.

Like, why is this guy, someone who I usually consider to be someone who trolls his team when he rands town, being the voice of reason here.

[Wondertank]

Chennis is likely town btw

[Wondertank]

Yeah ok I like all of Cena’s townreads.
I also like him for town and Chennis for town.

Thats 7 town for me

[Wondertank]

I am explaining why saying “I am refusing to read the game or play the game” and how that can benefit scum to someone with a 2007 join date. I also have to explain that to older join dates then mine (I’m late 2016).

Replace me. I didn't join this game to have to deal with one obnoxious hydra and then be insulted by the other

that’s not an attack.

[Wondertank]

Also its against site rules now to threaten a replace out.

[Wondertank]

Its an observation.

[Wondertank]

Cena do you have a read on me yet?

[Wondertank]

I am still really puzzled on why people are encouraging Panzer’s behavoir.

Pedit: ok pichu vote panzer

[Wondertank]

Honestly, no. KK is all over the place with his thoughts and you aren't really saying much of anything.

What's all over the place to you? The whole protecting thing? I'm following their cena push well enough

No not really. Hes kinda rambling so i'm not following him. I don't see it at all. Maybe you can explain it to me then?

I really wouldn’t say KK’s posts is “rambling”

[Wondertank]

I agree Panzer's vote is NAI, I don't see why someone would town read him for it though. First off, you basically say that the behaviour is town, and by that, if he's scum, you encourage him to make this game thread toxic, and if he's town, he's going to think that this is the right course of action to take, thus, he's likely still going to do it.

I thought DGB had a typical scum opener but they felt better later on.

Tbh nothing else really stood out to me.

~insomnia

[Wondertank]

Also, Cena and Savage are hidden identities, but they were using meta earlier on me, weren’t they?

Lol, yeah, I’m with you lot. Down with Cena and Savage!!! (For me in a scum way, though)

scummy take my guy!

[Wondertank]

So some people know who you are and some people don't. Creating an informational imbalance. You don't understand how this can be problematic in a game of mafia?

I'm not interested in knowing the identity of a secret hydra and they aren't scum for keeping it hidden.

[Wondertank]

Yet you still insist on hydra-ing and ruining games.

there is nothing wrong with hydraing!
this is scum!

[Wondertank]

If you felt like you did not want hydras in the game, there are 3 things you could have done
1. PM the mod your concern.
2. /out of the game.
3. Be an adult and adapt.

[Wondertank]

Someone thinking I'm town, in any game, ever. Was that not obvious??

not really? I've never played with you so there's not any way for me to know.

[Wondertank]

Turkey get in here and generate some content or else I'll hug you to death!

[Wondertank]

I have no internet and want to save mobile data for other games so see y’all tomorrow hopefully

priotizing other games over this one
not a good look mister turkey

[Wondertank]

Battle Mage

I take issue with you not having a stand on KK and Cena still when you voted us for my read on both of them, and you had a null on KK. I felt as though as a town you'd go back to the exchange and update your read on us accordingly.

a) Why'd you not do that?
b) If you thought that it was so "obvious" that the reason you were excited was us town reading you when you said most of the time you were getting scum read, shouldn't that have made you double down on us based on paranoia for going on with the "TMI" chain you were pushing on us? Why'd you full 180? I feel as though a player that is predominantly scum read in their games would get psyched out at a town read, especially when the person that issues the town read was accused of TMIng by the initial player.

~insomnia

[Wondertank]

hiplop breadcrumbed a role already, i'd chill on that.

can we kill panzer please

[Wondertank]

Why?

they are in their townrange more then their scumrange

[Wondertank]

See, now a person who watches psycho pass would not want to follow the plan

[Wondertank]

2 slots that are trying to play or a 1 slot that throwing tantrum? I'm fine with using my finisher on you tonight, if we can get more people interested

Battle Mage, Alisae, want to join in on this?

If we have four people that agree to finish Panzer then the only way he should be saved would be if scum use protective on him which would give us a fair amount of info on the setup

My preference though would still be to simply lynch the slot though VOTE: Panzer given he's still doing nothing other than complaining about his empty policy lynch push

-JC

i would much prefer to lynch panzer

[Wondertank]

i know you detailed your plan somewhere im gettin to it

[Wondertank]

Anyway here's the blockings I'd go for:

Team 1: Vigs panzerjager
Cena and Savage
Battle Mage
Wondertank
Ramcius

Team 2: vigs flavor leaf? they can discuss and decide vs. flubber
Reck
UT
chenni
DGB

Team 3: can choose vig shot together
gobbledygook
egix
KuroiXHF
Emperor flippynips

Team 4: vigs.... something in team 5?
Flubber
Lavender
Doctor Drew
Espressojet

Team 4: needs to justify their continued existence by vigging scum
hiplop
BullDunne
Boon
pisskop


The appeal of teams of 3 vs teams of 4 is whether we imagine scum have a roleblocker vs. whether we believe scum have a scum protective vs. whether we want to totally shut down all town PRs vs whether we want to make it very hard for scum to manage nightkills.

I was thinking teams of 4 would be better since a) then if there was a very strong TPR in the group they could still act and b) there's enough ??? slots in this game that I don't want to mislynch people because they forgot to submit a night action

But you might be right that forming a poe of slots where there would HAVE to be a multitasking scum player might be informative as well

I'm still thinking about it and was trying to decide whether getting town to agree to synchronized finishes was worth the effort since forcing it would require me to claim, but you're right that some amount of leadership does allow town an immense amount of power in eliminating scummy or PoE slots

-JC

I think you can assign signifcantly better teams.

[Wondertank]

yeah, Cena and savage are probably scum.

They obviously know me and should know that my inactivity is never gonna stay that way.

no he's in his townrange what

[Wondertank]

i refuse to believe FL genuinely thinks Cena is scum.
into the scumbin you go

[Wondertank]

Kuroi plz mod more DBAZ Abriged games thank you
-from alisae

[Wondertank]

Ok, I know this means little coming from me because I've openly said I want to policy lynch Cena and Savage, but the last 2 pages in which they are trying to coach everyone into vig teams and suddenly claimed Mason is probably the most brazenly scummy thing I've ever seen. Wild that I wanted to policy lynch scum, now I just want to regular lynch scum.

oh
so you ARE reading the game
you just refuse to put out any kind of content

[Wondertank]

you forget half of the game is going to do whatever they feel like

oh no what are you doing?

[Wondertank]

Chennis why are you saying "Well, everyone is just going to do what they want" to argue against the plan.
the way we get people to follow the plan, is by getting as many people as we can get to agree on following the plan

[Wondertank]

either way this makes my townread on that slot kinda vanish

[Wondertank]

If you define scum as holding you accountable for generally being scummy, then sign me up!

[Wondertank]

$10 a large part of D1 will get dictated by Cena and gang

Probably. But between Alisae assuring us that everything is fine and the secret hydra trying to dictate like 16 night actions, it's pretty incredibly how we can even consider lynching not those two people.


Also, can we get a rules check on this BTW, because I'm not sure that this isn't against the rules. Alisae secretly knows this persons identity and tells us it's within their town range, while the secret hydra dictates night actions for the entire game? That's gotta be breaking rules regarding coming into the game with previous deals/agreements/information/etc.

Even if it wasn't outed that I knew them, I would have been able to figure them out by just reading 2 pages.

But yeah, again, not sure why I have to point out that every post you make is a scum post and it includes this one

Generally forcing the mod to take moderator action is a scum trait not a town one.

[Wondertank]

Chennisden should agree with me on that one lmao

[Wondertank]

If you define scum as holding you accountable for generally being scummy, then sign me up!

How do you do nothing but play mafia but still be so ridiculously bad at it.

If I had a dime for every time you were good a mafia, I'd have ZERO! dimes.

If this wasn't legitmately the most brazen attempt of scum ever to control a game, I would of just carried on not really caring.

Also, I like how you're like, "oh panzer not playing the game is scummy" and then when I do engage you're like "panzer engaging with the game is scummy". Man...it's incredible. "Why am I annoying!?!?1"

Pedit: Jesus christ. I'm asking UT by the way, not our mod because I already find them to be incompetent by even letting you 2 play, because I'm genuinely concerned there is site rules being broken here.

dude you are literally just flaming me and cena.
thats your only contribution to this game.

[Wondertank]

can we just vote panzer out of this game tbh

[Wondertank]

Turkey come join us

[Wondertank]

you forget half of the game is going to do whatever they feel like

oh no what are you doing?

did you forget the firestorm called Guns and Roses II

tbh
ya

[Wondertank]

Chennis where's your panzer vote

[Wondertank]

can we just vote panzer out of this game tbh

Turkey come join us

He's honestly pretty funny. But the groups I'm assigning have him dead n1 so its ok. Be back later

okay but why bother with that when we can just lynch him

[Wondertank]

Chennis where's your panzer vote

I cant really do this in good faith right now

remember that discussion we had about Kuribo scum with me you and pops

[Wondertank]

for the record: if the "plan" ends up happening, i'm not going to go out of my way to

not

do it because at that point doing it is the best course of action

but it's

probably

not going to end up well so caution caution?

Chennis, the best way to get people to agree to the plan is by saying "I agree to this plan" and trying to get other town to agree to the plan.
This is fine, but you need to do your part as well to get everyone else to go with it

[Wondertank]

can we just vote panzer out of this game tbh

Turkey come join us

He's honestly pretty funny. But the groups I'm assigning have him dead n1 so its ok. Be back later

okay but why bother with that when we can just lynch him

I think it's more cathartic to do a pile driver to center ring to send him on his merry way

I think that I want to lynch scum so lets just lynch the fucker

[Wondertank]

Chennis where's your panzer vote

I cant really do this in good faith right now

remember that discussion we had about Kuribo scum with me you and pops

Yes, I do remember this

ok so read this post

$10 a large part of D1 will get dictated by Cena and gang

Probably. But between Alisae assuring us that everything is fine and the secret hydra trying to dictate like 16 night actions, it's pretty incredibly how we can even consider lynching not those two people.


Also, can we get a rules check on this BTW, because I'm not sure that this isn't against the rules. Alisae secretly knows this persons identity and tells us it's within their town range, while the secret hydra dictates night actions for the entire game? That's gotta be breaking rules regarding coming into the game with previous deals/agreements/information/etc.

then vote panzer

[Wondertank]

can we just vote panzer out of this game tbh

Turkey come join us

He's honestly pretty funny. But the groups I'm assigning have him dead n1 so its ok. Be back later

okay but why bother with that when we can just lynch him

I think it's more cathartic to do a pile driver to center ring to send him on his merry way

I think that I want to lynch scum so lets just lynch the fucker

I sadly do not think he is scum, but mainly because I don't think Panzer antagonizes everyone as scum? I dunno. I know he's mean in general, but that's just what I think

thats not the issue.
The issue is he is extremely anti-town.
Like, think about it like with my duel on bugs that you caught me on.
No town motivation there, whats teh town motivation here

[Wondertank]

cool, if it's me it's me

vote panzer

don't want to be around when town loses to rulebreaker alisae

knowing an alt isn't even against the rules

[Wondertank]

I'm only mean to people that deserve it, which most of you qualify.

I'm not sure how I qualify for being treated like shit, please enlighten me!

[Wondertank]

Cena I remember Chennis saying awhile back that he's way more active and controlling as scum.
I'm not sure if that applies but there you go.
Hope it helps

[Wondertank]

im gonna go back to lurking

[Wondertank]

If you define scum as holding you accountable for generally being scummy, then sign me up!

How do you do nothing but play mafia but still be so ridiculously bad at it.

If I had a dime for every time you were good a mafia, I'd have ZERO! dimes.

If this wasn't legitmately the most brazen attempt of scum ever to control a game, I would of just carried on not really caring.

Also, I like how you're like, "oh panzer not playing the game is scummy" and then when I do engage you're like "panzer engaging with the game is scummy". Man...it's incredible. "Why am I annoying!?!?1"

Pedit: Jesus christ. I'm asking UT by the way, not our mod because I already find them to be incompetent by even letting you 2 play, because I'm genuinely concerned there is site rules being broken here.

one more thing then back to lurking

i don't play this game because im good at it
i play the game because i think its fun because thats how games are meant to be?
they're meant to be something you do for like, fun, to have like, fun.

[Wondertank]

you and your friend are actively inhibiting the fun of other players and that's why you deserve me to be mean to you.

because we wanted to hydra?

[Wondertank]

Also how can I know who's playing the game when you're hiding your identity. Seems like a very weird line of questioning?

Well Panzer, you can go to the first post on the first page of the thread and look for yourself uwu

[Wondertank]

Also how can I know who's playing the game when you're hiding your identity. Seems like a very weird line of questioning?

Well Panzer, you can go to the first post on the first page of the thread and look for yourself uwu

WhY Am I aNnOyInG pAnZeR?!?!

UwU