Twice Baked Wrestling: Brawl at the Bakery! {Game Over}

[chennisden]

insert snarky comment

VOTE: flavor leaf

[chennisden]

that cc didn't matter tho its not like what he said is my role

im pretending to be surprised

[chennisden]

Wait, is this guy really trying to self meta himself right now?

yes

he's not trolling, he's flavor leaf

[chennisden]

hot take, cena is lynchbait

but he's doing a great job of it

[chennisden]

hot take, cena is lynchbait

but he's doing a great job of it

do you have other reads?

not any particularly worth sharing.

wondertank and scot feel towny. not sure how much credence i would put to these reads.

what's the town motivation behind it?

Not much at all. Still doesnt make him scum.

What's the scum motivation for it?

You tell me. You are the one voting for him.

it makes him unreadable
It demoralizes the game
Its a pretty easy to use that as an excuse to not put out content

This is literally what DEB did when he rolled scum in TM lol

[chennisden]

I'm really confused, I had to ISO my other beautiful head to see people had issues with.

Other than secret identity and reactivity to the hostility of this slot ??? I don't know, I find my head to be quite reasonable here.

Plus, I haven't played with anyone who's most upset about this being a secret hydra, before.

So if this is a meta hangup, it's not valid to 1/2 of the equation.

I'll discuss with my other head if they want to out identities, but even in the event that this take is advantageous for us as a hydra, does it warrant this response? And if it's AI, is it really black-and-white?

Questionable, yes, but we're not immoral. Let's have a time-out.



Also, this should be a grossly huge hint on who 1/2 of this hydra is. Y'all pushed me to getting out the kitties on page 10, damn.

-Savage

this game of "guess who I am" is useless and does does nothing except make you feel special for being guessed correctly

Have to say this is the most hostile game I’ve been in.
Nothing much else to input.

Yep, respect that.

You are the toxic one.

Replace me or Cena and Savage. I'm not playing with this account who won't reveal his identity and acts like he is better than everyone else

I love ya Scotmany, but I don't see why the identity of the hydras matters that much. Sure, you can't check out their past games, but the tricky bit is the fact it's 2 different people, and so harder to read properly. But I do wish everyone would just get along.

Also having the audacity to complain to the mod when they are the asshole has honestly moved this beyond something I'm willing to let go.

I'm pretty sure they complained about my RVS on them, so it's on me for not thinking through before making that joke

As for their anonymity - I'm here to play mafia, not meta simulator, so I will judge them for what they do, not for who they are. Sometimes people just want to play mafia without being haunted by their past

Yeah agree with that.

In terms of reads, I don't have much so far. Gut says Wondertank is scum, but also not keen to lynch one of the most engaged and productive players on Day 1. I'll have a quick skim again and throw a vote somewhere.

eww

eww

wow this is not it chief

Also, Cena and Savage are hidden identities, but they were using meta earlier on me, weren’t they?

Lol, yeah, I’m with you lot. Down with Cena and Savage!!! (For me in a scum way, though)

scummy take my guy!

wow seems

someone's

scum

Yet you still insist on hydra-ing and ruining games.

there is nothing wrong with hydraing!
this is scum!

this aint it chief

Yeah, the only one who could complain about being an anon hydra is boon, but he could probably figure me out in thirty seconds if he carwd anyway.

For everyone else, a sinple question: are you actively using meta for every other player in this list? No? Then 'zomg advantage anonymity' is a full of shit argument. I have either 0 history or only 1-2 games with almost everyone in this playerlist and wouldn't expect big meta arguments anyway. Acting like you need my head when none of the people bitching about it know me is bad faith. Again, these are not people using meta anyway. And continuing to push this argument is past the point of bad faith to the point of actively corroding thr gamestate with bullshit reasons to not solve organically.

Also I have never seen people throw tantrums like this and I have hydra'd a lot. I guarantee this game's toxicity has literally nothing to do with me. Given panzer's play toward ali, every move he makes is structured as either a policy lynch or a personality conflict so he is pretty much exclusively using toxicity for his play so far.

Who am I? I'm John Fucking Cena. If you need more than that you're not playing this game, you're playing some other one.

-JOHN CENA

this game of guess... wait, i've said this before

[chennisden]

oh i really hate this slot

VOTE: drew

[chennisden]

This is a bunch of useless busywork made to look like playing the game

[chennisden]

This is a bunch of useless busywork made to look like playing the game

Good observation. Flubber is also scum.

this feels rightish

This is a bunch of useless busywork made to look like playing the game

You aren't far off, taking a bit of an observational approach to this game.....at least intially. When I post alot I tend to get mislynched early.

I wouldn't call it useless though.

And, if I could make an omgus-ish observation.....

What exactly have you done?

played the game without pretending to do something i'm not

[chennisden]

let's be clear: it's not that you're explicitly saying "hi look at me i did

stuff

"

it's that it feels like that's what i'm

supposed to

think and it feels like it's not an accident

[chennisden]

So just so everyone is on the same page...
The Baker's last game had a secret third party that could scumside (and did scumside), so just be careful if we are approaching lylo situations :s

I came away from reading those 15 pages without any strong scumreads which is problem I will try again in the morning

Maybe I got my tinfoil hat on a bit early, but I was the third party in said game and was the person who brought up the possibility of a third party in said game.

Just so everyone is on the same page.

Pre Edit: Then you are giving me too much credit Chenn.

Also, are you a wrestling fan Chenn?

I don't follow wrestling particularly closely, so not really.

[chennisden]

I’m assuming that was for the finisher mechanic? I disagree at all that we should try and map that out. That’s so easily manipulateable by scum. We can do that in a few day phases, not now

A rare occasion when Flavor Leaf says something that I unambiguously understand

[chennisden]

I only have 1 use of it

Thanks but we didn't need to know

[chennisden]

Speaking of

VOTE: Panzer

Other slots can still know they're going to die if groups can be agreed upon to execute finishes

-JC

Are we going to kill people for not playing the game or for not being town

[chennisden]

I also don't know how much I trust the mason claim but that's something I'm willing to shelf for now

[chennisden]

Are we going to kill people for not playing the game or for not being town

I don't think Panzer has done anything remotely townie and of slots with more than 1 post he's among the scummiest. I don't like him sitting on his policy lynch argument, I don't like his read of flubber or how he acted about his read of flubber, or for that matter any other post he's made this game.

-JC

I don't like the stuff he's done either, I just don't really expect him to actually say "Hey I rolled scum, why not immediately make myself top wagon"

[chennisden]

you forget half of the game is going to do whatever they feel like

[chennisden]

Not really, if we put all the people who don't want to shoot or who won't agree into their own pool then we can mitigate that. I mean those people are much more likely to then be in the vig pool at that point over lurkers but that's the choice they can make. In any case I don't *really* see why more than 4 people would be opposed to vigging scum or lynch bait night 1

-JC

I don't *really* see how you're going to get a sizable portion of the game to just *agree* that a) your plan is correct and b) to shoot who *you* want them to

[chennisden]

And scum doesn't fuck with this plan because?

[chennisden]

Like let's say they have to "forego a night action." If they're targeting town they get free cover

If they're targeting scum they can just screw it up on purpose. And nobody is going to care because WIFOM whatever

And there's a billion other possibilities, what about redirecting? Or what if scum can just say "Aight, we're just gonna be invincible this night now get fucked"

[chennisden]

Trng t sove a gme mehancay wth no infmation is lke trng t sove a mth pble wh hlf th letrs msing

[chennisden]

Of course scum tries to fuck with the plan which is why I say groups of 4

and my plan doesn't require them to shoot who I want them to shoot, it requires them to get 3 people to agree with them on who to shoot

-JC

This still feels very unlikely to work

[chennisden]

There are plenty of ways for town to figure out how to play their cards without showing them to everyone - including scum.

[chennisden]

And scum doesn't fuck with this plan because?

Because the scum is dictating it. In what world does a town player try to direct the night actions of ~16 players, including some lurkers.

Yes but also, is scum really dumb enough to be the one to propose this

[chennisden]

"Baker Level Bastard" means "some strange element(s)," not "the mod is lying and the world is upside down."

[chennisden]

$10 a large part of D1 will get dictated by Cena and gang

[chennisden]

Also wrt your mason claim, don't try to pull an FL here

My tolerance for fakeclaiming antics is very low and Papa Leaf is already in this game

[chennisden]

I also find Flavor Leaf incredibly difficult to read here because anyone else with this play

should

be scum but with FL you literally cannot tell

[chennisden]

you forget half of the game is going to do whatever they feel like

oh no what are you doing?

did you forget the firestorm called Guns and Roses II

[chennisden]

for the record: if the "plan" ends up happening, i'm not going to go out of my way to

not

do it because at that point doing it is the best course of action

but it's

probably

not going to end up well so caution caution?

[chennisden]

Chennis where's your panzer vote

I cant really do this in good faith right now

[chennisden]

Chennis where's your panzer vote

I cant really do this in good faith right now

remember that discussion we had about Kuribo scum with me you and pops

Yes, I do remember this

[chennisden]

Chennis where's your panzer vote

I cant really do this in good faith right now

remember that discussion we had about Kuribo scum with me you and pops

Yes, I do remember this

ok so read this post

$10 a large part of D1 will get dictated by Cena and gang

Probably. But between Alisae assuring us that everything is fine and the secret hydra trying to dictate like 16 night actions, it's pretty incredibly how we can even consider lynching not those two people.


Also, can we get a rules check on this BTW, because I'm not sure that this isn't against the rules. Alisae secretly knows this persons identity and tells us it's within their town range, while the secret hydra dictates night actions for the entire game? That's gotta be breaking rules regarding coming into the game with previous deals/agreements/information/etc.

then vote panzer

sure

VOTE: panzer

[chennisden]

i also think it's entertaining that you and cena think that i would oppose your plan as scum instead of, you know, fucking it up majestically

[chennisden]

Maybe. But if there is a single scum protective, then splitting the finishes up over multiple nights would be draining town resources and ensuring more that only misvigs go through.

-JC

It also is astronomically unlikely that the benefits outweigh the harms with a scum protective, but sure.

[chennisden]

fun.

[chennisden]

VOTE: flubbernugget

[chennisden]

note that half the game is not playing the game, and of the half that did, a lot of them no longer want to play the game.

go town

[chennisden]

Every time I have been in a game where we tried to do a mechanic heavy plan to "form a townbloc and root out the scum" it ended up being controlled by scum and lost town the game

fuck that shit

fuck it to death

^^

Spoiler: Reads wall completely unaware of what has been posted since I started writing it

---Town---

Battle Mage: Suspicion of flavor leaf is warranted. Posts like 266 and 303 demonstrate uniformity in how they are treating other players (in this case lurkers). BM has also been able to do a little bit of scumhunting outside of pressuring the lurkers, which for the majority of the game was sadly enough to warrant town credit.

Wondertank: I understand why they scum read KK and Panzer. They also were one of the few people to reach out to others to get a desired wagon together. Very good town look there. Nothing scummy or offputting that caught my eye.

---Null Town---

ScotMany/Turkey: I remember town reading them in thread, and it looked like they were doing a lot to get the game out of a c&s panzer drowning. In ISO they look a lot more barren. Few reads, one notable push, and a LOT of setup spec.

KK/Egix: KK was transparent about having reads that were more human than logical, and I see why it was offputting to other players. I still think that kind of transparency is harder to pull off as scum. Egix hasn't done much; no comment there.

UT: ISO is fairly barren. Small attempts were made to distract from C&S/Panzer, but UT was also looking for people that might use a 1v1 to posture.

---Null---

C&S: Not gonna lie I never got much further than wanting them policy lynched.

Emp Nips: Maybe town based off the Flavor Leaf CC? Need more flips to be certain here.

Espressojet/KidAM: Nothing here.

DGB: They've got a reputation for not having much depth in their explanations, but still being effectinve and having good reads. It's too early to analyze that. She does have that "feel" of being town, as many people have noted. That being said, I don't like how flavor leaf is high on DGB's reads list despite posts like 655, and singling hiplop out of all the lurkers is also a little weird. Interactions between DGB and Flavor Leaf need to be analzyed later.

Hiplop: So I remember when I was in high school I was learning how to put computers together, and three times in a row on three different machines I managed to fry an IDE cable. If anyone has ever put a computer together, they probably know it's not like a breadboard, and is incredibly difficult to actually damage the harware by assembling it unless you've been rubbing your feet on the carpet like you're about to zap someone's ear. Yet I still did it three times.
Three fucking IDE cables. They don't even use IDE cables anymore. I guess the moral of the story is that computers are fucking terrible and nobody should use them. Ever. Best of luck dude, I hope your rig can run Crysis.

Kuroi: Not much to go off of here.

Lavender: Nothing here either. I guess DGB might have a point about them not being coached, if we know scum has daychat? Idk every time I've tried to investigate a daychat slip I've fucked it up.

Panzer: Town for his reaction to C&S, ***IF*** he was genuine in trying to keep them from deepwolfing the game to a town loss. As mentioned before, my vote goes here if they don't start stepping up with reads.

Pisskop: Nothing here.

Reck: Not much here past noise parsing.

---Null Scum---

Ramcius: Most of their iso is setup spec.

Chennisden: Null-Scum. Their vote on Dr Drew is pretty good, but their trajectory on their FL vote is weird. Goes from a vote to "I can't really read them." Both of these votes sit kind of stagnant; there isn't much of an attempt to create pressure out of them and it makes the voting look more like blending in than actual scumhunting. They then flipped from one leading wagon (panzer) to another (me). And what I really don't like about their vote on me it that he hedged on it for a while, only dropping a vote when it was clear I would be a safe wagon to coast on for a good while. Additionally, like I said in [p]374[/p], throwing up a wagon on me early game could have done a lot to break up the c&s drama. Based on my pet idea about the demographics of my wagon, if there's scum on it, it has to be chennisden.

I have chennisden as null-scum instead of scum because a big part of my read is based on how they wagoned me, and I know I have an extremely self-centric bias towards things like that. Also I agree on them about Dr Drew.

Dr Drew: Null-Scum. In a similar vein to what Chennisden has mentioned, they've done a whole lot of nothing so far. Yes, I am aware that my chennisden and drew reads make very little sense together, but I will wait for flips to analyze that more.

---Scum---

Flavor Leaf: Scum. They've had a net negative impact to the town. Plus their ISO is thin. They have a reputation for being more active later in the game, but their reaction to DGB suspecting them puts them pretty firmly in scum territory.

I know I said it would probably be a good idea for people to post reads lists, but I am retracting that because 1) the game is in a much different state now and 2) I don't want to have to read everyone's walls after writing this one.

yes, my flavor leaf vote on

post twenty

is very serious

and i voted drew to generate some useful discussion... and it did exactly that, so.

also at least you're aware your read on me is predicated on a flawed pov!

[chennisden]

oh i really hate this slot

VOTE: drew

I'm iso'ing chennisden and loving what I see. How did I not notice all this awesomeness before? Because of bickering, that's why.

The vote for Drew is :chef's kiss:

ilu

Are you projecting or do you just have a victim narrative that nobody likes you?

I never called you toxic.

You just argued I made three people replace out when I made ZERO people replace out

Panzer is pushing a toxic bullshit lie and you just bought into it

KidAmn replaced out BECAUSE OF FUCKING PANZER as far as I can tell

Kublai Khan as far as I can tell replaced out 70% of Alisae and maybe like 20% me and 10% because of gamestate I'd guess

Scots replaced out because of my slot (because of things Savage said) but Panzer is trying to sell it as shit that I did

But hey congrats, you get your wish.

-JOHN FUCKING CENA

Well that escalated quickly.

With no disrespect to anyone in the game, I have decided from this experience that hydras are no Bueno.

VOTE: flubbernugget

I like your style, Dennis Chen.

OK Ramcius is town

No way!

Also flubbynugget must be scum too.

ilu too

[chennisden]

Made guys, saying that we are prob scum.

I don't like the intersection on Kuro and DGB.

And I feel like DGB is pocketing Chenn, as I feel confident in Chenn-town.

wait, what?

this mildly confuses me

[chennisden]

how did you get to this read?

[chennisden]

oh yeah this is good

VOTE: lavender

there's something

wrong

with these posts

[chennisden]

Do I still need to role confirm after game has started?

like this feels REALLY

wrong

Well, I am a semi-new player hihi.
A lot of this is flying over me, I don't understand how the vig thing and team works...
Still nothing much from me soz.
Also, are we using the people leaving as an argument?

and this feels somewhat wrong

[chennisden]

oh my

hi

[chennisden]

My hi

Oh

[chennisden]

she has a scum meta you're familiar with?

[chennisden]

ok i did some digging (it took me two minutes) and lavender has one scum game here. gobble was not involved in any capacity.

so i really don't know why he made a comment about lavender's

scum

meta.

[chennisden]

She’s hated essentially. It’s not really a secret vote ability. I think that makes her more likely scum. Plus she’s playing to her scum meta. I just feel bad because she was lynched Day 1 last time in DEB’s large. I think she’s probably a powerful role and that’s why it has the hateful modifier.

so to put it bluntly, i call bullshit

and really i think this has given way to a somewhat important realization: you're saying words to say words and

look

like you're playing the game, not to

actually

contribute

[chennisden]

i dont know whether to be annoyed or amused.

[chennisden]

this is a single player roleplaying as a hydra

[chennisden]

all the harms and none of the benefits

[chennisden]

oh wow there are a ton of slots that i have no hope of ever being able to parse

go town

[chennisden]

this is a single player roleplaying as a hydra

Spoiler:

[chennisden]

oh wow there are a ton of slots that i have no hope of ever being able to parse

go town

WE CAN DO IT

yea, winning is fun so id rather do that

[chennisden]

Re: chennis and Karnage,
Idc. My vote is on not town, so I am still playing the game. May not be playing it the way you’ve seen me play it before but that’s on purpose :p

you haven't addressed the issue.

[chennisden]

Chennis I’m confused why you act like it’s so surprising that I can find the only scum game Lavender has and then compare it to her last town game (DEB’s big four). Why do I necessarily have to be in her scum game to know her meta?

i think it's disingenuous to claim you know her meta when a) it's probably outdated and b) you didn't really have to

react

to her play, so you don't really know? i just think it's far more likely you either a) skimmed the game and used it to confbias your views of the slot or b) wanted to say big sounding things to push the slot.

[chennisden]

Nah the first thing that notified me of her being a potential issue is the fact that she is hated. I really think DEB included that as a way to balance her role. Why would he need to do that? Because she probably can’t die at night or otherwise be targeted at night. That makes me think she’s likely third party more than anything. However she still probably has a finisher and probably can scumside. After big four I’m not taking that chance to leave it alive.
I then looked at Phillip K Dick newbie and Big Four and did a cursory glance around her activity flow in those games. I compared it to her early activity flow of this game.

Guess which game the early signs of her activity flow matched? Hint: it wasn’t Big Four

how do you know DEB isn't balancing out a good town role by making it hated?

i do think you're probably right that she's hated but what

really

bothers me is she hasn't said anything about it. town would probably be more upfront about stuff that messes with votes?

[chennisden]

actually the more i think about this the more convinced i am you might just be right

[chennisden]

Right now I can't say that 50 Judges' entry smells of townie wholesomeness.

pretty sure it's going to stay this way the entire game

[chennisden]

Chennis I’m confused why you act like it’s so surprising that I can find the only scum game Lavender has and then compare it to her last town game (DEB’s big four). Why do I necessarily have to be in her scum game to know her meta?

The only experience I have with Lavender is Big Four, where she was town, and their posting has been wildly different.

Probably should just stop with the vanity voting of DGB, get back to them at another date.

VOTE: Lavender

A50, welcome friend, I for one welcome your style.

Pre Edit: But.....why does it smell of townie?

she said that it

doesn't

[chennisden]

Trng t sove a gme mehancay wth no infmation is lke trng t sove a mth pble wh hlf th letrs msing

re: assuming lavender cannot be killed.

[chennisden]

i am really not liking gobble, drew, and lavender right now

[chennisden]

Trng t sove a gme mehancay wth no infmation is lke trng t sove a mth pble wh hlf th letrs msing

re: assuming lavender cannot be killed.

umm... we can all still read what that says

to make my point, i need to make it unreadable... but to make it unreadable, nobody would know what the point is

[chennisden]

Re: chennis and Karnage,
Idc. My vote is on not town, so I am still playing the game. May not be playing it the way you’ve seen me play it before but that’s on purpose :p

oh by the way don't expect anything more from me; i'm voting scum and therefore playing the game

VOTE: gobble

[chennisden]

this post may not be a post you've seen me make before but this is also on purpose

[chennisden]

i am really not liking gobble, drew, and lavender right now

You think they are both bussing lavender?

Re: lavender, I'm not sure if they're scum or not they are definitely a liability when/if we get to LYLO.

i actually think it's fairly unlikely all of them are scum together.

it's just the way these three in particular have been interacting with each other + the game gives me the heebie jeebies

i also think gobble's slot is the most urgent to resolve right now

[chennisden]

i am really not liking gobble, drew, and lavender right now

You think they are both bussing lavender?

Re: lavender, I'm not sure if they're scum or not they are definitely a liability when/if we get to LYLO.

Why you are concerned about LYLO on D1?

what if i told you tomorrow is lylo

[chennisden]

But you’re wrong Chennis. You’re not voting scum and your reasons for voting me are even worse

then maybe address them if they're so bad? if they are "even worse" you should be able to address them p easy

[chennisden]

and also: you're admitting your reasons are bad

maybe do something about that then?

[chennisden]

. getting rid of the claimed third party would have a better chance of helping town than just throwing out a lurker.

Who claimed 3P?

I.... thought SOMEONE did.... I'm probably remembering wrong. my larger point was that I'd rather lynch just any claimed 3rd party generally than a lurker.

this is probably you misremembering gobble's speculation that lavender is a 3p because of hated

[chennisden]

I believe Espressojet’s been night killed every single game since returning unless I’ve missed some of his games.

I actually JUST got mislynched day1 and flipped town power role

Oh yeah...dont do this

[chennisden]

It's funny, how this, is missing, the point

[chennisden]

Does hiplop have a very powerful scum role or something? The resistance is so strange... but from the numbers, it can't only be from scum.

I imagine hiplop would be trying harder if he had a strong scum role

[chennisden]

Why is Espressojet self-voting?

Does my parking spot bother you?

the standards for play this game bother me.

[chennisden]

i am liking ramcius less

[chennisden]

i also feel very lukewarm to this wagon.

[chennisden]

if we're going to wagon a "lurker" i think kuroi is spades better.

[chennisden]

The more you post, the less I like you

Seems like you're waiting for others to vote me first so you can say "yeah I don't like him either" and join the wagon without having to stick you neck out

No, I'm happy with my vote on Flubber

Speaking of you - you tried to bring discussion how Lavender is liability in LYLO, yet no continuation, when I said you should get people to vig them, if you think they're problem. You disliked DGB earlier and forgot that that you were sheeping her on Hiplop, your cop out "Hiplop has higher chance than random to flip scum" afterwards didn't looked good to me. Now you're blatantly rolefishing. How about this for sticking my neck out?

this is a low investment low risk post

[chennisden]

Vote Count 1.09

hiplop (7): DrippingGoofball, Karnage, Emperor flippyNips, 50 Judge Powers, pisskop, Untrod Tripod, Reina
Lavender (3): gobbledygook, Doctor Drew
gobbledygook (2): Panzerjager, chennisden
Panzerjager (1): KuroiXHF
Flubbernugget (1): Ramcius
Battle Mage (1): Egix96
Ramcius (1): Battle Mage
KuroiXHF (1): xRECKONERx
Espressojet (1): Espressojet
Doctor Drew (1): Flubbernugget
Not Voting (3): Flavor Leaf, hiplop, Lavender

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to bury someone!
Day 1 ends on April 19 in (expired on 2020-04-19 17:00:00).

That hiplop wagon was so full of townie passengers.

But look at all these vanity wagons.

Lavender (3): gobbledygook,

Doctor Drew

gobbledygook (2): Panzerjager, chennisden
Panzerjager (1):

KuroiXHF

Flubbernugget (1): Ramcius
Battle Mage (1):

Egix96

Ramcius (1): Battle Mage
KuroiXHF(1): xRECKONERx
Espressojet (1): Espressojet

Doctor Drew

(1):

Flubbernugget

This did not age well.

[chennisden]

Don't love the flubbernugget wagon at all or the hiplop wagon

I'm kind of concerned how it fell apart so fast.

[chennisden]

Don't love the flubbernugget wagon at all or the hiplop wagon

I'm kind of concerned how it fell apart so fast.

Elaborate?

I kind of don't get the flubbernugget case and I'm really concerned that the hiplop wagon seemed to just... disintegrate? Like I didn't love the wagon before but he ltierally says "ok I am VT" and that is apparently enough

[chennisden]

Ramcius and Kuroi are p good lynches

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VOTE: kuroi

[chennisden]

i am just that good

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Mandatory reminder that scummy =/= town

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Another lurker wagon inbound, maybe we should just ask Kuroi to claim and save us time?

Great idea.

Kuroi - Time to claim!

not going to lie i snorted out of my nose a little here

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i still dont get the scumcase for karnage btw

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I don’t honestly get why they are all defending lavender when I’m trying to bus her lol. Guess we should just get on the Kuroi mislynch

you guys are shitting me, right?

[chennisden]

VOTE: turkey

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She’s hated essentially. It’s not really a secret vote ability. I think that makes her more likely scum. Plus she’s playing to her scum meta. I just feel bad because she was lynched Day 1 last time in DEB’s large. I think she’s probably a powerful role and that’s why it has the hateful modifier.

so to put it bluntly, i call bullshit

and really i think this has given way to a somewhat important realization: you're saying words to say words and

look

like you're playing the game, not to

actually

contribute

called it?

[chennisden]

i honestly think gobble's much more egregious scumpost is this one

I literally don’t understand why everyone pooped on me for my lavender case earlier (and by eberyone I mean Panzer and Chennisden) but yeah... sure is cool we are letting that get away with it!

[chennisden]

What a day.

[chennisden]

I think youre high on flavor leaf

yes

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I also don't buy that FL would have had some great plan behind an NK if he had chosen it. His play has been pretty random and he didn't obviously care too much about it.

Saying FL doesn't/didn't have a plan is like saying an elephant doesn't have a trunk. FL is the best scum player of 2019. I have played against scum!FL, I have been scum with scum!FL, and I have modded scum!FL. One of his main strengths though is to have people like you think he was disengaged and didn't have a plan, Another is establishing false associatives with town (or in our case, players not on his team). His arsenal also includes buddying/pocketing, fakeclaiming, role/info fishing. Finally, he is proud to claim he always wins when he is the first scum to go down (because of those weapons I've just listed). Now I haven't tried to actually verify that claim, but please don't underestimate FL even after he is removed from the game.

Yes. When FL scum dies there's usually a

reason

he let himself die

[chennisden]

hi battle mage - here are 2 things you should know

1) people are not omnipotent and talking with scum does not make you scum
2) you don't solve the game by taking the opposite of everything flavor leaf said. the best way to hide a lie is with the truth

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i'm not sure if battle mage is trolling right now or if he's actually scum

[chennisden]

information instead of analysis

basically adding noise by restating things that have happened and not adding any analysis/readable opinions on it

this somewhat describes BM

[chennisden]

right now it seems the "case" on me is i talked to flavor leaf. that is not a case.

1) talking to scum does not make you scum
2) it is not opposite day with flavor leaf.

information instead of analysis

basically adding noise by restating things that have happened and not adding any analysis/readable opinions on it

this somewhat describes BM

u just bein a bitch to me today coz I nailed u

My vote doesn't count for some reason, let's try again.

Vote: DennisChen

"nailing" someone implies
a) they are scum
b) you have made a compelling argument for them being scum
0/2

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i've seen so much of pisskop and still have absolutely no opinion on him.

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That's my (your?) case on dr drew whos been doing it for longer

i also think pisskop might be doing it on purpose

[chennisden]

A certain someone once said that scum is often in your nullreads, but that's half of the game right now

[chennisden]

Hard to wagon someone when nobody is playing

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LOL @this game. It now looks to me that the TOWN is survivalistic. Nobody wants to stand out so as to avoid being targeted by finishers.

Alright then. I propose we no lynch and let finishers decide the outcome of the cycle.

Note: The above us SARCASM. Scum do have finishers too, and they have their factional kill. They also have the advantage of being able to guarantee their finishers are well synchronized, so we might as well say they have 2 kills and we have "half a night kill"

VOTE: Kuroi

hmm WE

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I would hope people townread UT at this point, or this game is dead in the water

Who isn't townreading him? But being IC has nothing with read accuracy

Imagine thinking everyone knows he's an IC

[chennisden]

Despite the large size of the game, it feels like nobody is here

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I also give zero shits about the wagons, you guys are literally wagoning people for shits and giggles, not to solve the game

I suppose it can't be helped when literally nothing is happening

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I also give zero shits about the wagons, you guys are literally wagoning people for shits and giggles, not to solve the game

I suppose it can't be helped when literally nothing is happening

who do you want to lynch, and why?

maybe Drew/Pisskop? feel like they're not doing anything but are trying really hard to seem otherwise

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i feel no presence but see a lot of avatar

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I would hope people townread UT at this point, or this game is dead in the water

Who isn't townreading him? But being IC has nothing with read accuracy

Imagine thinking everyone knows he's an IC

You not tired of your petty attempts to make fun of me? Cause I am, at least use some creativity Or not, I don't want you to use your time you scumhunt to be more creative with your sarcastic remarks. Scratch that, you don't scumhunt anyway, so at least be an entertaining clown then

Let's just end day

VOTE: Kuroi

Maybe D3 people will remember how to play mafia and I won't have to feel like I'm playing a newbie game

Nice scumhunting chief

[chennisden]

What a day

[chennisden]

I think Emps Reckoner Flubber Espresso maybe are town for a start?

[chennisden]

I dunno. Haven't gotten really bad vibes from any of them.

[chennisden]

I also think gobble's wagon was probably headed by town. Scum probably doesn't expect that kind of reaction to actually get gobble killed

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I also have a feeling that Kuroi was the NK, so we would waste our finishers.

I think scum used their finishers on UT(I think at least one of them used a finisher on him Night 1).

Pre Edit: Ok Rek, thoughts on my theory?

Also, did you use a finisher.......and if so, on who?

I really really don't think this is right.

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Like, instead of wasting their nightkill on someone who would probably die anyway, just use it on someone more threatening?

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I was quite happy lynching Chennisden-scum. More than I see you doing.

Why is chenn scum? Give me a case rather than just throwing shade. In fact, give me a readlist if you have one. Thank you.

I've already made a case, and a readslist. Please remove your mouth from my nipple, and go read for yourself. Thank you.

Also, I'm much more inclined to help you learn the ways of the scumhunter if you vote for someone who might be scum.

I actually don't see anything other than "he talked with FL"

Which really doesn't mean anything much

I genuinely am curious where you're coming from and why you're so attached to this claim

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I also don't think people's reaction to your play a la Drew and 50JP is out of hand. I think you're taking a couple of steps for granted (i.e. "chennisden is scum" and "I'm obviously town") and it's not unrealistic for people not to follow your reasoning when these claims feel somewhat unsubstantiated

[chennisden]

Like as strongly as you present your conclusions as, 50JP is much easier to follow

And half his posts are videos, so...

[chennisden]

I really just don't know about this game. Feels like almost anyone could be scum, and looking at vote patterns, everyone has an equally crap record.

yup same

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is pisskop still alive or not? i havent seen him post anything in like a week

[chennisden]

Noting votes on me. I'm confirmed town, so not gonna bother responding to cases tbh. if you wanna run me up a bit and force a claim, go ahead. otherwise we can actually lynch someone who could be scum...

dancing around your claim like this is the sort of anti-town behavior that made people vote for you in the first place

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Sorry that I couldn't townread you with your anti town play. Of course I should've known you were the mason while you were fucking around and still insist on being attached to shitty reads/shitty votes without backing them up at all.

[chennisden]

I have a feeling that you just want to be

right

about me as opposed to actually genuinely caring about the alignment of my slot.

[chennisden]

I have a feeling that you just want to be

right

about me as opposed to actually genuinely caring about the alignment of my slot.

Are/were you talking to me? Because this post came directly after 3 of mine, but it doesn't make any sense to me. Am I supposed to lynch you to confirm my TR on you is correct?

no, this is to battle mage

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oh, and as I'm inevitably dying tonight because I'm such a big threat to the chances of scum victory with my laser-vision on chennisden, it's been a fun game!

this is why /s exists, everyone

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oh deadline isn't over huh

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well, this seems pretty fucking bad

[chennisden]

well, this seems pretty fucking bad

[chennisden]

if it's lylo i think we're

probably

fucked anyway

haven't worked out exact details but our chances seem ~0%

[chennisden]

a) probably
b) maybe?

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i find it prudent not to discuss b) and think it's probably silly to discuss a)

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no, he's not "alive" anymore (check OP)

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I dunno. I think it's common practice for 3Ps who have already won to be removed so they can't play kingmaker.

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I agree, but nothing made much sense to me in this game so far, so yeah.. I'm just floating around.

Do you have any suspects you want to lynch?

anyone who's hated is fine

[chennisden]

here's what I think about the hated thing:

it doesn't really matter if scum have control of it. they probably do because if town had control, scum would at least

try

to kill them to remove a chaotic element. that's at the very minimum.

my theory is the following: scum put the SECOND (controllable hated) on a townie today because like, now the game can end faster, but their FIRST hated (Lavender) is probably scum. otherwise scum would just hurry up and kill Lavender in which case we're screwed anyway. Also Lavender slot hasn't looked great even if we ignore all the mechanics anyway, so yeah.

this is all contingent on 4 town being left btw, although I find it unlikely 5 town are left.

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or, just don't use the finishers!

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Why is lavender town again, i forgot

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Bad thing is that it's hard to put in effort when there's nothing to really put in effort for

For as long as I remember nothing has been happening and most impressions I have of people have kind of disappeared

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you were 3p again, wow.

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both baker games I've been in I've been scum, and both times the victory has been incredibly underwhelming when I learn the game is secretly scumsided

[chennisden]

yeah. this time felt like town couldnt lynch anyone