Nomic: The Constitution Game - Game Over

[Ircher]

368, 369, and 370 pass.

logan5123 receives 3 votes for the presidency and becomes our first president. His term ends on April 11, 2020 12:20:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2020-04-11 12:20:00). Please appoint your advisory board before you use your veto.
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Up to date as of post 324.

Pending Proposals

1.

Proposal 352

(244) by StrangerCoug: Rule 349 is hereby transmuted from mutable to immutable.
Yea - StrangerCoug, Ircher, Allomancer, logan5123
Nay -
Not Voting - Jake the Wolfie

This requires unaminous consent.

2.

Proposal 357

(259) by Ircher: If a third (rounded to nearest) or more of active players abstain on a proposal, the proposal automatically fails.
Yea - Ircher, StrangerCoug
Nay - Allomancer
Abstain - logan5123
Not Voting - Jake the Wolfie

3.

Proposal 367

(298) by logan5123: A president may pass 1 rule per presidency. A president cannot pass a rule if it requires unaminous consent, or a supermajority.
Yea - logan5123
Nay -
Not Voting - Ircher, Allomancer, StrangerCoug, Jake the Wolfie

[Ircher]

Bribe Ircher 15 coins to vote me in Duel

Bribe StrangerCoug 15 coins to vote me in Duel

Starting a duel costs 5 coins. You can't bribe both of us.

I think the proper ruling here is that you bribe me, but not StrangerCoug.
(I won't resolve the duel quite yet so we can resolve this conflict.)

[Ircher]

Proposal 371: Anything that requires voting to end ends immediately when the winner is clear. This includes proposals/motions passing/failing, presidential elections, duels, etc.

This is the one rule to rule them all. It also keeps us from having to redo it every single time we have a new thing to vote on.

Proposal 372: Repeal rule 358.

Its scope is too large (I thought it was meant for proposals/motions only) and is prone to being abused.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE: Yea 371
VOTE: Yea 372 I agree with the abuse part.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Bribe Ircher 15 coins to vote me in Duel

Bribe StrangerCoug 15 coins to vote me in Duel

Starting a duel costs 5 coins. You can't bribe both of us.

I think the proper ruling here is that you bribe me, but not StrangerCoug.
(I won't resolve the duel quite yet so we can resolve this conflict.)

Preventing the start of a duel costs 5 coins.

[Jake The Wolfie]

"A player may duel another player by announcing their intention do so in in bold in the thread. Starting a duel costs 5 coins. Only one duel may take place at a time. The player challenged may decline the duel within 24 hours, which costs 5 coins. All players not in the duel have one vote to vote for a winner of duel, which they do by posting a vote tag with the dueler's name. The dueler with the majority of votes wins the duel. If there is a tie when all active players have voted, the defender wins the duel. The loser of the duel loses 10 Reputation and the winner gains 10 Reputation."

So I wasn't completely right, but it wouldn't cost me 5 coins, it would cost Logan 5 coins.

[Jake The Wolfie]

If it did cost me 5 coins because Logan declared it, then any player could abuse the system by declaringf Duel after duel on a player until they go bankrupt.

[Ircher]

oh that's right. I thought you started it...

Okay I guess you win the duel then.

[Ircher]

Since the bribe rule hasn't been repealed yet, and it costs me zero coins to do so:

Bribe Jake the Wolfie to vote Yea to proposal 352.

The proposal has been in limbo long enough.
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Jake the Wolfie wins the duel and gains 10 rep and a card from the deck. logan5123 loses 10 rep.

Proposal 352 passes.

[Jake The Wolfie]

How much are you bribing me? Literally nothing? Sham

[Jake The Wolfie]

Proposal 372: Repeal rule 358.

Its scope is too large (I thought it was meant for proposals/motions only) and is prone to being abused.

I think people would only agree with you because of the minuscule amount of people currently playing right now. It would be easy for someone with lots of coins to force a Majority now, however if we get more than 5 players, the required amount for a majority jumps from 3 to 4.

[logan5123]

Appoint Ircher, Allomancer, and StrangerCoug as my council.

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 372
Spending coins to force people to do stuff is dumb. One can technically force a president to veto a proposal, using up their proposal AND requiring their council to do what they actually want to do.
If you have enough, you can even circumvent the council system altogether. Could allow someone to win the game very easily.
...oh my god you can get enough coins for it in 2 irl days.
TWO!

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 371
Sure!

[Ircher]

372 passes. I'll update later. We need more proposals! you

[logan5123]

373: The president gains 5 reputation upon being elected for each time they've been elected. They also draw a card. This rule, upon passing, will be applied retroactively.

Yes, we are allowing presidents to be elected more than twice. Yes, I am doing this exclusively to save my losses. But, hey, the president's honestly kinda powerless in the face of his council right now; I mean, in order to pass or veto anything, they have to get 3 votes, which would've done that anyway sooooo

[logan5123]

actually this is a bit crazy but

374: If a player draws an Ace, Queen, King, Jack, and 10, all in the same suit, they win the game.

This may seem too early to get one of these, but lemme quote something:

When you play a basic video poker game with 52 cards, the odds of getting a Royal Flush during the initial draw are 1 in 649,740.

A basic video poker game has you draw 5 cards for the initial draw. FIVE. And that's still more than a one in half a million chance. The odds of getting this are... slim to none. But this game will last a long time, so I'm thinking it's possible.

[Jake The Wolfie]

VOTE: YEA 372
Spending coins to force people to do stuff is dumb. One can technically force a president to veto a proposal, using up their proposal AND requiring their council to do what they actually want to do.
If you have enough, you can even circumvent the council system altogether. Could allow someone to win the game very easily.
...oh my god you can get enough coins for it in 2 irl days.
TWO!

How so?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Proposal 374:

The President may type VOTE: PASS ## to pass a proposal. The President cannot win for 24 hours after the passing of the Proposal.

[logan5123]

VOTE: NAY 374VOTE:
Still not once per presidency. Also, 367 still exists.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Nay 373
I'd rather it just be a card drawn. Maybe I'd be okay if it was a 1 rep increase, but I don't want to further incentivize people to become president. (And they can veto unilaterally provided that they aren't overridden by their advisory council.)

VOTE: Nay 374
I understand your argument, but no. I don't like win conditions, and the chances I feel are a bit better than you might think. (Well, they are worse in some ways since we're drawing with replacement, but we also don't have to discard cards after getting five, so yeah...)

Jake's 374 is numbered incorrectly, so I'm afraid I can't count it as a valid proposal.

[logan5123]

Eh, worth a shot

Amend 373: Every time a president is elected, they gain 1 reputation and draw a card

Yes this does mean that you have to vote again but it's one vote

[logan5123]

wait fuck

Amend 373: Every time a president is elected, they gain 1 reputation and draw a card. This rule is applied retroactively upon passing.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Abstain 373
Let me think about it some more.

[logan5123]

also, VOTE: YEA 374
just in case that wasn't obvious, I was naying his, not mine