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[profii]

Ah, the game has 6 pages before I even found the thread... this will be interesting

[profii]

Oh god an actual jumble of letters. Fuck that.

VOTE: Dsjstr

I dont wanna remember a username like that. Can't even pronounce it. It's the devil's language.

I am wholly behind this logic

VOTE: dsjstr

[profii]

Ah, the game has 6 pages before I even found the thread... this will be interesting

Grant me access to you PT NOW or I'll assume you're scum.

P.S. Don't read too much into that, I am NOT hinting.crumbing anything.

I haven't made a personal PT for a while.

I think if I did one for this game it would be like

Lol 20 pages since I slept...lots of shit posting....ahhhhhhhhh

And that's about all I'm expecting out of day 1

[profii]

TSE is a bit but hurt about this lol-wagon which is fair enough but I think the statement I know there will be scum on the wagon is a given - irrespective of TSEs alignment, there is probably scum from either faction on the wagon as they all want to just lynch

[profii]

So this has started. And at 9 pages already, Which honestly seems low for a game this big even though it's only been 4 hours.

I see a lot of fluff but do have one solid scumread.

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

No you dont

[profii]

TSE is a bit but hurt about this lol-wagon which is fair enough but I think the statement I know there will be scum on the wagon is a given - irrespective of TSEs alignment, there is probably scum from either faction on the wagon as they all want to just lynch

Not at all.
It actually helps me get Reads and helps with PoE.
I’m just confused as to why it happened so suddenly Tbh.

because this is a lol-game, so let's have a lol wagon


or at least, that's my take on it

[profii]

Non-randomized 6-Man Masonry:

Spoiler:

Elsa Jay, tictac, Insomnia, Golden Robster, Pink Ball

Now let's see how well the wheel does!

The Mafia

Spoiler:

DrDolittle
Egix96
Pine
bob3141
TrueSoulEnergy
gobbledygook

The Werewolves

Spoiler:

Chemist1422
Almost50
pisskop
EeveeLution Army
Hectic
Drixx

The Serial Killer

Spoiler:

hersho

The non-mason townies

Spoiler:

Jamelia
VaultDweller
dsjstr
Yiley
Amrun
The Fonz
NotAJumbleOfNumbers
UltimatePlank
clidd
Dolly Parton
Non Imh
Uncrowned
Rhinox
QuantumQuasar
kagesong
davesaz
Black Ranger
profii
Jackal711
NorwegianboyEE
Something_Smart
BBMolla
Not Known 15
AaronFrost
Cat Scratch Fever
eth0s
Nero Cain
Garmr
Emperor FlippyNips
ar98mubarik
SausasaurusRex

Who wants to put odds/bets on the number of correct WHEEL rolls in each category?

how do you know the other scum faction are werewolves ?

[profii]

because this is a lol-game, so let's have a lol wagon


or at least, that's my take on it

I personally saw it as a WotC vote, fwiw

I've never played with TSE before

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[profii]

scum team 1

insomnia
TrueSoulEnergy
profii
Egix96

scum team 2

Garmr

scum on someones team

SausasaurusRex
Black Ranger

so lets save the mod a replace and lynch a scummy slot with a useless role?

first post is LAMIST and the 2nd post is incriminating, in the context of following the first. Just quoting so i can find it later

[profii]

scum team 1

insomnia
TrueSoulEnergy
profii
Egix96

scum team 2

Garmr

scum on someones team

SausasaurusRex
Black Ranger

so lets save the mod a replace and lynch a scummy slot with a useless role?

first post is LAMIST and the 2nd post is incriminating, in the context of following the first. Just quoting so i can find it later

y are my feelings about who I think are scum LAMIST?

Haha I just saw the list and didnt read it... I assumed scum team 1 was going to be people up for a TSE lynch but he is in there...

Interestingly you call it scum team 1 and scum team 2 when someone else just openly said the obvious 2nd choice of werewolf...

Considering your word choice is probably more scummy than the dude who didnt

[profii]

Interestingly you call it scum team 1 and scum team 2 when someone else just openly said the obvious 2nd choice of werewolf...

Considering your word choice is probably more scummy than the dude who didnt

Why is werewolf the "obvious 2nd choice"? Why does Kirari's choice of nomenclature carry so much weight with u?

I mean, why in the world is it "scummy" that I didn't call the 2nd scum team wolves?

i feel like you were more conscious of your word choice, whereas the other post just said werewolves without worrying... I feel like scum would concern themselves with details like that more than town.

[profii]

calling the scum teams 1 and 2 is me being conscious? This seems very stretchy and reminds me of your scum game.

I'm trying to cast my mind back to when we've been scum together but it's been too long

[profii]

What would u have called the 2 scum teams?

probably scum and werewolves... if anything it's less likely that I'd mix them up than if i said red scum blue scum

[profii]

Interestingly you call it scum team 1 and scum team 2 when someone else just openly said the obvious 2nd choice of werewolf...

Considering your word choice is probably more scummy than the dude who didnt

Why is werewolf the "obvious 2nd choice"? Why does Kirari's choice of nomenclature carry so much weight with u?

I mean, why in the world is it "scummy" that I didn't call the 2nd scum team wolves?

i feel like you were more conscious of your word choice, whereas the other post just said werewolves without worrying... I feel like scum would concern themselves with details like that more than town.

Maybe I missed it but do you have a reason why you think scum team 1 and 2 is more scummy than someone saying wolves? I havent played mafia here in a long time, are wolves more common in games with 2 scum teams?

nah just my instinct would be to call the 2 scum teams different things... it's based on absolutely no previous games on this site to be fair.

[profii]

What would u have called the 2 scum teams?

probably scum and werewolves...

if anything it's less likely that I'd mix them up than if i said red scum blue scum

if that's what you'd call them y did you prod kirari about calling a 2nd team wolves?

how do you know the other scum faction are werewolves ?

and then use kirari to chide me over using scum team 1 and 2.

Also

strongly disagree

with Fonz that you are doing scum hunting. Light pushing me over using not wolves and throwing out a pressure point but meaningless q @ kirari seems very surface lvl @ best.

first bit - because i figured if i probe this sort of thing someone might react in a slippy kind of 'oops that's what my PM said kind of way'

2nd bit - i dont know what chide means but kirari didnt really react (though there is every chance i missed it if they did) and my gut is just more bothered by scum 1/2 than werewolves.

[profii]

something is off...

If you're thinking what i think you're thinking. Then yes, i absolutely agree.

i think im thinking what your thinking and if im right about what youre thinking then

[profii]

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

[profii]

I haven't made a personal PT for a while.

I don't think you can have any idea of the gamestate if you don't start one now. I mean, it's a 50 players game FGS. Are you going to try to memories who claimed what and who said something that pinged you on what page??

I'm trying not to put _that_ much time into mafia generally tbh

The claims is easy - when you get that sort of thing wrong, everyone jumps up like "so and so claimed x remember" so basically my plan is to let everyone else do it for me. Ha

In terms of scum pings... I dont think it's ever going to be possible to track 6/6/1 or whatever the setup is all at once so if we are lynching scummy dudes then the game will start to resolve itself over time

Dunno... this is all a bit mad...my plan is to just basically see how it goes

[profii]

profi. Its p20 and your still voting your RVS. Wanna talk about it?

Not really. I'm going to bed

[profii]

But profiii seems to to know. So this makes me believe that Profii slipped up here.

I chuckled at this

I played in a micro game where I was red scum, in my own... there was also a blue scum

There was also something in the setup design that said we didnt have a PT together and when I said "yeah but scum dont have a PT together" everyone was like "that cant be right you slipped there"

Annoyingly, I was scum but I didnt slip anything at all - people just thought it was a slip and mistakenly caught me

Also interesting I suppose I've played in a game with red and blue mafia but I still think werewolf is the instinctive other name.... I have no idea what it's going to be - the only other time I've multi balled was A50s overkill which was themed anyway



I think Garmr you are not in either scum team - you are trying to find both at once

I am still leaning scum Nero- I think his reasoning over me were a bit bit picky which I think is something I remember about Nero scum game- he generally lurks as scum but when he feels like he can persist with an argument he goes for it, perhaps to appear more involved in the game - I am reading some of his arguments towards me and my reaction is like "really? Is that it"

[profii]

Nero is quite persistent

[profii]

Nero's just making busiwork

I am under this assumption

[profii]

I'm not the one claiming to have a high number of reads. And you don't get to reverse the question like that.
It's midnight:30 for me and past time to sleep. Maybe tomorrow.

Yes I do

You're making a bad faith argument and discouraging people from giving reads

I have given explanations for every read asked of me in good faith

So now I want your reads with explanations since you decided to take a lazy pot shot at me

VOTE: dave

pop ins to complain about impressions and reads = you can get voted

I read this and thought "that's not a way I'd usually think of Dave, what's going on..."
KM appears to have massively over reacted and I cant think to what end

The only thing I can come up with is the is a manufactured reason to move off TSE rather than for Dave

So if (now) Titus flips scum, potentially a link here imo

[profii]

outright refused to talk about the game at one point. All

Did I

[profii]

Reasons to follow Nero onto profil.

1. I'm town
2. I'm right

Dude you cant even spell profii

[profii]

profil, care to respond to my allegations against u?

I'm yet to see anything from you that motivates me to respond in any more depth than I already have

[profii]

outright refused to talk about the game at one point. All

Did I

u did!

at least imho.

profi. Its p20 and your still voting your RVS. Wanna talk about it?

Not really. I'm going to bed

its now page 50+ Wanna talk about your reads n things now?

I think it's easier to get town reads in this game than scum reads and I'm not a big share-er when it comes to those

[profii]

I read this and thought "that's not a way I'd usually think of Dave, what's going on..."
KM appears to have massively over reacted and I cant think to what end

I actually just wanted dave to give reads which he then did but thanks for the insightful scum commentary

Why is it scum commentary and not wrong town commentary out of curiosity?

[profii]

Why is it scum commentary and not wrong town commentary out of curiosity?

Taking a wrong comment and then trying to draw a pre-flip associative from it when I was not actually voting the slot previously demonstrates that you're not only not reading but you're fabricating associative claims to present the pretext of solving. If you had actually been reading my posts and trying to make such a connection you'd see I wasn't even on TSE before making that vote, I'd been on Drixx, who CSF had argued was not a great day 1 lynch off meta.

So yeah, you obviously not reading my posts while trying to draw associative arguments as though you were is pretty scummy

I missed the drixx vote... my bad

[profii]

I think it's easier to get town reads in this game than scum reads and I'm not a big share-er when it comes to those

Seems like a good opportunity to start sharing them then

I like garmr, dave, a50, hectic, probably more but after footy maybe

I did think about neros comment that if scum want to hunt scum then if I make cases that people are town, scum can help my goal of eliminating scum I guess

I dunno

[profii]

I'm going to stop responding to Nero unless there is a good reason

Whilst I find his non-cash amusing, I assume his persistence wont end and I dont want a 50p game to turn into

You're scum
Lol right
You're scum
Lol right
You're scum
Lol right


Because that's how I feel about it.

[profii]

hi

I'll played with eth0s enough to know he's town from this post.

The lack of capitalisation and punctuation shows he is carefree and has nothing to hide.

Furthermore, the usage of "hi" over potential other greetings like "hello" or "greetings" shows he has nothing to prove with post length, and is not posting to try and appease anyone.

How do you feel about a 'yo'

[profii]

hi

I'll played with eth0s enough to know he's town from this post.

The lack of capitalisation and punctuation shows he is carefree and has nothing to hide.

Furthermore, the usage of "hi" over potential other greetings like "hello" or "greetings" shows he has nothing to prove with post length, and is not posting to try and appease anyone.

How do you feel about a 'yo'

A "Yo" would definitely come from a scum.

Is neros push on making you lol

[profii]

Is neros push on making you lol

...?
His push on you, you mean?

The way he is pushing you reminds me of that game I just randomly pushed you, although you wer scum there ha ha

[profii]

Day 1 is the best day for scumhunting. Today is the best day for flailing about. Telling me and town to pick betwwn BR and Tic Tac with a week and a half left is massively bad.

I think you're assuming this is forever. Wrong. The wagons get going. Highlight profili obvscumming in the middle (assuming he is). His reactions tell you about the alignments of the other two. If we pushed up both wagons and profili legit didn't care, you could use that. If both show themselves town, then push profili.

But screaming profili scum is likely to get you ignored and bitched at.

Work with us.

You can push up aliterally any wagon and I'll not really care.

50p... day 1... it's like a 1% chance that someone will come up with an actual good reason so I think I'm just going to sheep the top wagon for the rest of day 1 to help start the lynches

I dont even care if you lynch me. I kinda signed up because 50p seemed like a hard thing to achieve... now having participated I feel invested enough to sit and watch from the dead thread but if I survive a while then whatever

Ita great that Nero is trying to be scum hunter extraordinaire but I am not going to effort this game. I'm too busy

[profii]

I think tic tac is top so....

VOTE: tictac

[profii]

But currently, unless someone does somethig

stupid

, I will vote Tictac.

SCUM
A townie would say unless someone does something scummy; but not stupid.
That`s a slip up
VOTE: SausasaurusRex

I disagree. I think this says its easy to cruise day 1 with so many players so unless someone does something stupid, ie a scum slip, he will vote tictac

Seems like a logical position that I share so as I say , I disagree

[profii]

I am not going to effort this game. I'm too busy

kool story bro. you mind if I target you tonight?

Help yourself I'm a reflexive role blocker, ascetic bulletproof commuter so do take that into consideration

[profii]

How did she get such a clear insight into titus’ head just from her saying 2 scum reads?

Nero’s point makes a lot more reasonable an assumption to make than what amrun’s saying. How did she conclude that unless she went from the premise of Titus town?

In hindsight this can actually spew titus town if amrun is scum, or at least they’re not on the same team for sure for sure

I could have swore someone already said it and am amrun was simplifying it for clarity but I couldn't see it in titus ISO then I stopped looking

But I had a similar reaction to The Fonz (eyyyyyy)

[profii]

Pink floof what did you think of 1597?

They are both wrong and it's a discussion that ultimately doesn't matter at all

When does town argue "one scumteam's goal is to eliminate the other scumteam" in multiball? That feels like scum positioning

It's easy to get into Utopian scenarios where we theorise that scum want to identify all bar 1 of the other scum team to prolong the extra night kill but I'm sure 99 times out of 100 it doesnt happen

I think a fairly natural thought is "in a game that is typically the informed vs the uninformed, the semi informed scum would probably find it advantageous to identify all the other scums as a starter for 10"



I feel like you are going against the grain intentionally here

[profii]

"If I'm replacing in as town and am the leading wagon then I might be the counterwagon to scum" isn't as wild a thought as you make it seem, although it does happen to mirror wolfy survivalism so I don't really know why amrun is choosing one interpretation over the other unless she strongly feels titus is town for other reasons

Bingo. Why is she that confident in Titus town?

And it’s not a wild thought. It’s an insane thought.

In a game where town are uninformed, interpretations like Nero’s are the more townier ones. Town have to scum hunt. Amrun’s interpretation there is ridiculous if it comes from an uninformed PoV. Even if she town read her, I doubt she’d go such great lengths of thoughts to explain why that action comes from town!Titus.

She justified it as a counter to Nero’s accusation, it wasn’t even something picked up on the go. You need to have a high confidence read on someone in order to twist your mind like that, fall into wifom assumptions and come up even half as confident as Amrun looked stating that now.

It’s mind boggling.

I dont think its mind boggling for amrun to empathise with Titus position in the game and thus for amrun to think about how titus is seeing the world

Bearing in mind Titus position is "I know I'm town so why are these wagons forming around me"

I dont see amrun as saying "im confident Titus is town and agreeing with her"

I do see amrun as saying "Titus is asserting she is town and making the following conclusions...."

[profii]

what an absurd game hello

His name was Psyche
He likes a dude called Mikey
Hes not a righty
I hope he dont bitey

[profii]

Checking in

No HeyBBmolla

VOTE: tictac

Voting top wagon

I’m out see you in 24 hours

Yo BBMolla
Give me a holla?
Do you wear a collar?
Got a spare dollar?

[profii]

AaronFrost is a town read until he tries to post in the scum thread x

[profii]

Did someone say, new leading wagon?

VOTE: SausasaurusRex

[profii]

Nero fancies me tbh

[profii]

Haven't read since my last post. Clicked thread... saw you still love me and left it at that

[profii]

Seeking replacements for Eth0s, hersho, Golden Robster, UltimatePlank, ar98mubarik, BBMolla, Non lmh, and Emperor flippyNips.

In order to count as active you must also contribute in the main game thread.

If any of the above-listed player do not wish to be replaced please PM me and then begin contributing to the main game thread. Thank you.

We should lynch one of these

Odds of these players seeing their PM and thinking "burgh scum" or "burgh uninteresting role"

At best we get scum and at worst we probably limit damage in terms of hitting a PR...

We arent getting anywhere near 26

[profii]

BB-Lol-la

[profii]

Think we have a new leading wagon
VOTE: Black Ranger

[profii]

s this his normal play

Egix? In my experience, yes

[profii]

I find the notion that a set number of scum reads being weird... weird in itself... how many scum reads is one supposed to have?

[profii]

Would have been better if it was 6-6-6

But anyway having 5 scumreads at this point is still weird this early into game. Especially with 50 people

Even with 50 pl most would be 2 at a time. Maybe 3
Since splitting votes between 5 people will only hurt town.

oh

i read 2556 as '[a player] having 5 scumreads at this point is still weird'

but 2567 makes me think you meant

'[the town in general] having 5 scum reads...'

it might have just been my mistake but i read that wrong... I'm assuming this is one of those situations where a few people will be like 'i read it that way too'

which then makes me think it doesn't make any sense because in a 50 player list it seems normal for people to say 'oh player a b c & d are all scummy'


not sure this is NAI but it just seems odd

[profii]

As for BR, we know the mafia factions are 6 each so BR having 5-6 scum reads matches up with that so I can see how garmr gets "hunting the other faction" from that.

This is another thing that concerns me in terms of the logic applied


This assumes that, scum-a!garmr is hunting 6x scum-b! And not busing any of his mates for distancing and also assuming garmr thinks his reads are perfect so that once he has 6 reads he stops reading any more.


IMO my expectation is that among the 12 scum players we will probably have a mix of abilities - some of the scum dudes will be able to actively scum hunt and make themselves appear town so no one scum reads them, or they might be poor scum players and amongst the main wagons that have formed already because they are obvious to the competent town players

So in a world way, using the example garmr has 6 scum reads I dont understand how one gets to the conclusion of "hes hunting the other team" without considering or better yet, giving a reason as to why garmr is hunting the other team, as opposed to say finding the weaker 3 players from scum-a and scum-b

[profii]

What the ever-loving fuck is that?

Firstly, this has nothing to do with Garmr's hunting.

Garmr is the one that's accusing BR of hunting the other team.

I'm just saying that I can understand why Garmr is thinking that.

I think your thing about hunting the weak scum from each scum team is

I'm just saying I cant understand that- who was doing it is irrelevant- it's the logic I have issue with

[profii]

As i cant tell if your trying to defend BR by using garmr example as proxy. In order to push that BR isnt scum lookign for the opposite team. As if you dont want use BR in the example as it woudl like you were directly defending him if you fail to deflect his lynch onto someone else.

Or trying to attack garmr by using his argument for BR being scum against him. With you think that BR is town looking for scum regardless and that you think garmr is actual scum who actualy thinks BR is scum. With him pushing the arguement that BR is simply scum looking for other scum.

sounds like I got the person wrong

I just disagree with the principle of "person is scum hunting approx 6 players therefore they are 1 scum hunting the other scum"

It seems very utopian

[profii]

profii you don't get to talk about anyone's scum hunting since you haven't done any and have no scum reads.

I guess I might be your sole scum read since you sorta leaned scum on me after I called you scum.

Actually, you dont get to say what I do and dont do but ignoring my question means I've pointed out something illogical and you've no answer to it

Clearly, I am on to something... perhaps you are right about that scum read.... who knows

[profii]

IMO my expectation is that among the 12 scum players we will probably have a mix of abilities

What if this is a Freudian slip?

probability

[profii]

Am I still on the leading wagon?

[profii]

profii’s aren’t

I wouldnt blame anyone for scum reading me. I literally dont care about this day and I just want to see what happens mechanically overnight.
I dont even care if i get lynched haha.

[profii]

Seems we are back to tic tac
VOTE: tictac

[profii]

VOTE: Black Ranger

I don't want to delay a scum lynch, but did someone claim loud on Day 1? Is that right?

[profii]

VOTE: Black Ranger

I don't want to delay a scum lynch, but did someone claim loud on Day 1? Is that right?

Titus did. Why?

Just seems like something we can easily sort out. Idk if it's useful or not

[profii]

How did this happen? How did absolutely no town get killed on night 1?

Invest on this please or vig.

Mindmeld

I've just realised there are 3 non town factions and only 2 nks ha ha

Dun dun dunnnnnnnn

[profii]

Why did Norgey boy put BR in blue not red?

[profii]

If I was a vig I would have shot Nero.

[profii]

VOTE: Pine

Chooooo choooooo

VOTE: pine

[profii]

Btw why do people expect everyone to have crumbs

Weak roles should always always crumb, no exceptions.

I sometimes crumb, sometimes I have another plan for revealing my role.

[profii]

Well. Uh... Making him a Neutral Survivor at that point was redundent but funny.

Now that I contributed to getting the Serial Killer killed, I guess we can go back to our previous situation.

VOTE: ar98mubarik

How has a slot got to day 3 without posting

[profii]

Modkill

Garmr,

Ascetic Bulletproof Serial Killer

, has been modkilled and turned

Neutral Survivor

. Do not discuss this action until postgame.

Who tf claimed ascetic before btw?

I searched the thread and was surprised to find my own post ha ha

[profii]

I don't feel like I did anything wrong and I don't know why Drixx is so angry.

You have a tendency to push things that the target considers to be misreps.
When shown that you have the facts wrong you double down on the incorrect interpretation instead of accepting your view is incorrect.
For a logical person like me this is incredibly infuriating. I might misread someone's emotion, fail to notice manipulative behavior, get many things wrong. But my logic is

never

wrong provided I have the correct facts^*. And messing with the timeline is messing with logic.
I suspect Drixx is the same type with respect to logic. At least that's what I have observed.

^*You may find me at times as scum using logic correctly, from the facts as they are known, to push an ultimately wrong conclusion. Garbage in garbage out as they say.

I would echo this quite strongly

[profii]

I feel obligated by the social contact to play seriously, but this is a shitfest.

lamist

as fuck.

ironic

as fuck.

[profii]

And I think its especially scummy given the circumstances. I really don't give a shit about a buncha my scum reads try to talk down to me and make it look like I'm some meanie.

I wouldn't call you mean

Persistent and illogical perhaps, but not mean

[profii]

Just to make sure I have the high level narrative right (ish)

This is the hood


The Fonz
Pine
Drixx
Psyche
NotaJumbleofNumbers
insomnia
Black Ranger
ar98mubarik


And we have Drixx claiming he vigged a scum

Then we have drixx and insomnia claiming BR scum slipped over night and that led to a town lynch.


It bothers me that Drixx was like post 1 after n1 but took ages to jump in today

I am assuming no counter claim to drixx

I want to look at the hood people to see if anyone really protested the scum slip

It also bothers me that pine made a comment about coasting through the day and then when I check he turns up in this hood, where, if you have some dudes saying g scum slip and scum!pine knows BR is not on that team, he can just be like /vote


So my votes in a fine place

I'm making the assumption that whoever's driving this inactive lynch on that ar98 dude is probably just trying to pick off low hanging fruit rather than scum hunt (again not looked)

[profii]

Is there a nom that Garmr qualifies for in regards to not just getting modkilled but banned for what he did? I want to nom him for that.

Mafiascums first Darwin award I would say

[profii]

I could have swore Cat Scratch Fever replaced in for someone. I am having serious trouble keeping track of this game man.

[profii]

I'm bored of reading about Titus

VOTE: Titus

[profii]

Oh I'm so pleased this is over

[profii]

<3

We are ALL winners on this blessed day.

Well, not Garmr

[profii]

There are

SHIT TONS

of players that scumread me every game, it's not a vendetta. I mean I guess it

could be

but I'm more of the side that its just ppl that are horrible at reading me/mafia.

There's no proof that its a vendetta b/c 1.) I don't tunnel u in every game 2.) There

WAS

a large part of this game where I wasn't tunneling you when you first replaced in 3.) I had in-game reasons why I suspected you. If anything was toxic it was you and Drixx and Fonz.

You made the game not fun

[profii]

Probably should consider that feedback when reflecting on your play and ability to talk the town into lynching the person you think is scum. But thats your choice

[profii]

I just realised my 1 confident scum read was correct ha ha (pine)