Mini 2131: Furret's Bizzare Adventure Part 2 (over)

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I’m also pretty tired but rn at this moment I’m finding it frustrating in an annoying way

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Like I didn’t wanna engage with what I thought was a meme scumresd and wanted to focus on people who were willing to vote for me as leader

You then leveraging that into a stronger scumread was just more disincentive to engage with you

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Because I don’t like engaging with people who are shitpushing me? How is this news?

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Also this being a blitz my engagement is kind of weird as I’m playing at weird times

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if Chemist flips town, GG is not necessarily in this category anymore

Explain this alyssa

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If he's annoyed at being "shitpushed", maybe he'll actually talk to me if I unvote.

I mean my concerns are not going to magically disappear because you unvote when the thing that’s bothering me is not so much /me being voted/ as it is the way you’ve approached the game up until here which happens to include a vote for me/voting for me is an expression of the way you’ve been approaching the game

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I have no idea if this is town!ball or scum!ball tbh

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I mean, I TR him but that means pretty much exactly nothing given my track record there

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All I cared about on D1 at the beginning was my electoral campaign

If I’m still fairly low energy then it’s because I’m still kind of lowkey pissed that Titus was elected and not me

:/

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Datisi is making some good arguments tbqh :/

No she’s not? If I was scum I’d just insist her tunnel was bc she’s scum and doesn’t know how to pretend to sort me, force her lynch through and then argue that it makes me town bc I took a hard stance on her and me being wrong was just indicative of me being uninformed

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Gobble sell me on why chem is more likely scum than pine?

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Oh yeah, whoever asked why the Captain kill is +scum for pine: they’re super familiar with each other and the Captain was explicitly not TRing pine

If scum I either kill people familiar with my scumgame if they’re not pocketed or people TRing me if they’re liable to reevaluate and I want the read locked in, and I think pine approaches NKs similarly

On the flip side, the PP kill doesn’t really have an effect on game control which actually may be -scum for pine

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Menalque + Bingle + Datisi + Chemist1422 + Gamma Emerald

Alyssa why did you take PB out from this?

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Also why is ginngie town again

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PB, can you try to look at it from my perspective? I'm trying to work with Mena. Instead I'm getting told that I'm SRing him for "???" reasons, which once I lay them out again I get ignored. I press forward again, I get called lazy and get threatened with a policy. How am I supposed to see that as Town "struggling to trust me" as opposed to scum trying to start a fight he knows he's going to win?

wrt your point on Maria, I didn't think Maria was scum, I didn't think she was Town. The wagon composition was ~fine enough~. I always preferred Mena.

I am a bit worried about Mena atm.

Also Titus you never explained this

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Why does gamma!scum spunk 500 on hitman before waiting and seeing if anyone had bid on bulletproof?

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Turkey
Titus
Gamma
Datisi
Alyssa

Ginngie
Pure boi
Bingle
Chem
Pine

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Loosely

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If alyssa!town then I’m more inclined to believe in ginngie!town and pine!town

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VOTE: chem

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(Chem, bingle) feels like a reasonable solve

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I mean I’ve said I think you’re town but also that I have no idea how to read you

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More like if we lynch (chem, bingle) and there are two townflips you’d be near the top of people in my reconsidering pool

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L-1

btw

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Hammer is a scumclaim if it flips town gamma

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With 3 hours left dude

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That's a much more townier catch up Pine good job!!

Can you tell me if Pine is playing like in Pokémon Ruby mafia btw?

Again same thing to Mena

Kinda but equally he’s busy IRL atm and he can be lurky as town

I’m sheeping alyssa here on pine, I think he’s scummy individually I just also don’t think chem is trying which means he’s +scum

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mena i remember hearing you say chemist is an easy read for you, you think he's scum?

I don’t think he’s town less than I think he’s scum

Idk I think I’m partly having a universal crisis of read confidence atm

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1464

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I don’t really think those look preplanned at a glance, turkey

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Plus it fits with at least Mena's style of interacting with partners

What is Menalque's style of interacting with partners?

This is literally exactly what I wanted to ask

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Not like I interacted with Maria?

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Which scum pt chem?

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From the most recent mini normal?

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Okay I mean I give you permission to say what it is

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I’m sheeping alyssa here on pine

wat

Why is this surprising to you

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It’s like

I don’t have very strong feelings on who is most likely to be scum in (pine, chem, ginngie, bingle)

So if you’re saying 2 of them are town then I’m willin to listen to that for now and go for one of the others

If I thought that pine was like, twice as likely than any of the others to be scum I wouldn’t just sheep your read

But he’s about even to chem

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mena i remember hearing you say chemist is an easy read for you, you think he's scum?

I don’t think he’s town less than I think he’s scum

Idk I think I’m partly having a universal crisis of read confidence atm

this changed at all?

Not really

Still don’t think he’s trying very hard

Idk what his take on me should be reading to me, but idk if it’s scum trying to do something ?? or if it’s town!chem being paranoid

I think his general lack of desire to solve is more scum indicative

Also if he’s been ellitelling I think that’s p good for reading chem

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TITUS JUST SAVE MY NAME TO YOUR AUTOCORRECT JFC

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You’re like the only person on site who I think I’ve played upwards of 5 games with who still consistently misspells my name

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VOTE: alyssa

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Alyssa is very obviously scum

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We’re flipping Alyssa today

No deadline fuckery

That pb lynch was a pile of steaming dogshit and shouldn’t have happened. Alyssa’s trajectories here are unjustifiable as town

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That’s cool Alyssa, but we’re going to flip you today and then when you flip scum we’ll worry about the others

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I do think it could still be pine or bingle and Alyssa is bussing here bc she knows she’s dying

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Why are we talking like people not named “Alyssa the lamb” are being lynched today?

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I’m surprised this is a 1v1 you want tbh alyssa

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hello i hate both of these wagons someone end me please

Point of order: dats didn’t die wanting my head, which is actually a worse look for me

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VOTE: Mena Feeling this today.

Minus doctor, all my items went as planned.

How come?

Given Gamma's lack of claim, I supposed scum got the hitman and loaded up on game solving non protective PRs.

I mean I don’t wanna put words in the turkey’s mouth

But I’m pretty sure he means “why the fuck are you voting me”

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Menalque's entrance today was the most fake bullshit I've seen in a long time

lol okay alyssa

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Me deciding you’re clearly scum from reading EOD yesterday and pushing you is obviously fake how?

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Alyssa is lock scum

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We’re flipping Alyssa today

No deadline fuckery

That pb lynch was a pile of steaming dogshit and shouldn’t have happened. Alyssa’s trajectories here are unjustifiable as town

I mean

There isn’t maj so

No I’m saying

This time we’re voting Alyssa

And we’re not having a mass fucking vote hopping session in the ~45 mins before day ends

We’re piling onto Alyssa and we’re leaving our votes there until day ends and she flips

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hey before you all check out from the game

maybe look at the fact that the auction detective got sniped while there's confirmed no bids above 500

in what fucking universe does that happen where I'm scum

I have no idea what your argument is here or how it’s meant to spew you town

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Pine/Bingle not partners
Mena/Alyssa not partners

All 4 are scumreads?

But they're TvS each?

Pine and Alyssa are townreads, Pine being stronger

Why are you townreading pine?

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Also why are you townreading alyssa?

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also why bingle/pine not partners?

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I kind of don't know what's happening

we're lynching me and then lynching my scumreads because I solved the game

Err nah we’re lynching you then lynching my scumreads because I have solved the game

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Titus you’re doing a whole lot of ignoring me for someone who’s scumreading me

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I’m sheeping alyssa here on pine

wat

this is somewhat concerning

How/why?

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oh i've read chemist's iso for another solid few minutes and he's town

Okay why?

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She also voted PB who she was not scumreading over Chemist who she was scumreading.

Oh yeah I forgot about that

VOTE: Alyssa

no cap that was such horseshit

I havent factchecked this at all but like its literally just possible that scum needed a mislynch to go through at the end

What does this mean Chen?

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I’m liking the presence of Chenn in the game

As in he's town or you like him being in the game?

Too early to call officials but it’s a good start for both

What do you think is townie about Chen’s entrance?

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Lynch Alyssa

She flips scum

(Gobbles, Titus, gamma, chem, ginngie, chenn, bingle)

Presumably scum finally stop thinking that I am mislynchable and i die rip me

Probably final scum would be in (chem, ginngie, Chen, bingle)

And we’d have 2 mislynches left

But equally if we mislynch twice after flipping Alyssa then titus probably needs to go back into the pool

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Who was it who was saying I was right that town have not been good at towntelling this game

Because I was really super right when I said that

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What do you mean try again and why are you inserting yourself into an interaction that it is actively unhelpful for you to be a part of

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Do you think your entrance has been town indicative for your slot and if so why?

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Like what have you done that you would do as town but not as scum so far, Chen?

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She also voted PB who she was not scumreading over Chemist who she was scumreading.

Oh yeah I forgot about that

VOTE: Alyssa

no cap that was such horseshit

I havent factchecked this at all but like its literally just possible that scum needed a mislynch to go through at the end

What does this mean Chen?

It's possible Alyssa/Chemist went onto PB so Chemist wouldn't be lynched

But you were townreading chem at this point?

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So how does a switch make sense fypov

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What do you mean try again and why are you inserting yourself into an interaction that it is actively unhelpful for you to be a part of

Try again

Talk to me or die Chenn, I’m not in the fucking mood

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Have you actually read my iso?

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So how does a switch make sense fypov

I think it's pretty clear I kind of shelf this idea to the side when I say "I think Chem is town though, so"

You’d already said you thought chem was town at the time you made that post tho

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e the easiest way for town to lose this game is to go into the thread shouting MY READS MY READS and get all pissy at whoever is scumreading you, and, either explicitly or implicitly, say that the people scumreading you have to be SCUM since you're so pro town

Only town managed to flip onto lynching Pb yesterday and alyssa’s trajectory is awful and she’s good enough as scum to coast the day anyway if someone is not here to ensure that she eats rope today

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Like my iso is VERY clearly not me insisting on my lynch targets being followed, and is also VERY clearly not me just scumreading people for having scumreads on me. Top example from the top of my head is me calling turkey!scum on D1 but not insisting on it, and giving datisi a MASSIVE benefit of the doubt regarding her read on me being good faith based

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Let’s do this another way: go read alacrity/Alyssa in iso and tell me if you think she’s town

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Pine

Chemist1422
gobbledygook

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Titus

Bingle

Alyssa the Lamb
Ginngie
Gamma Emerald

yup

this actually seems to come from town alyssa a lot; like coloring 2/3 of the game green

This is literally like the least AI thing she could do

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If I'm scum, you're town, and Alyssa is town there is no reason I don't go after Alyssa

Eh?

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If you’re scum why does that preclude Alyssa being scum?

And if you’re choosing between two town why would scum you not just choose me?

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oh i've read chemist's iso for another solid few minutes and he's town

Okay why?

Please answer this.

gut

VOTE: Chennisden

Can we please not get distracted from the important task here of lynching Alyssa

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Don't try to do this rn, but anyone wanna try engaging with me?

Sure, how do you feel about Chen’s catch up, alyssa’s slot in general, chemist’s slot in general, and bingle’s continued absence?

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Also thoughts on titus’ D3 so far being exclusively bad takes?

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(I don’t actually need the thoughts on the last one, I just wanted to bring up that titus’s takes have been exclusively bad takes so far today)

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So you think Gamma town is a bad take?

Gamma, Gobble, Alyssa, and Chennis are all probably town.

I want to lynch in Melanque, Chemist (solely bc yesterday), and Gingie.

Oh I actually thought you were pushing gamma for not claiming sooner

Okay, rephrase: everything apart from gamma!town has been an awful take

Also, you’re STILL avoiding giving any actual reasons on your read on me which you’ve been doing since yesterday

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If you’re scum why does that preclude Alyssa being scum?

And if you’re choosing between two town why would scum you not just choose me?

Because if Alyssa is town and I'm scum I literally ignore both your and her slot and just watch her die

And also because I think if Alyssa flips scum you'll be a lot better lynch

I mean that’s kind of high risk for you if we’re both town and start to see it as a part of fighting, because if we were both town and realised I’m pretty sure that scum trying to stay out of things would be top of the list to look for

So I don’t think that argument is as clearing as you think it is

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eh

VOTE: alyssa

Why the switch?

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Don't try to do this rn, but anyone wanna try engaging with me?

Sure, how do you feel about Chen’s catch up, alyssa’s slot in general, chemist’s slot in general, and bingle’s continued absence?

Haven't really looked to hard at Chenn's catchup rn
Alyssa and Chemist both feel like lynchbait
Bingle being AWOL isn't good juju I'd say

Also thoughts on titus’ D3 so far being exclusively bad takes?

It's annoying af but I don't think it's scum

Whats the differentiating factor between lynch bait and just scum?

Also what’s your townread on titus based on then?

Titus is a weird one bc I really don’t think she’s been

that

town all game but my top TRs have said she’s town so I’m kind of trusting that

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Don't try to do this rn, but anyone wanna try engaging with me?

Sure, how do you feel about Chen’s catch up, alyssa’s slot in general, chemist’s slot in general, and bingle’s continued absence?

Haven't really looked to hard at Chenn's catchup rn
Alyssa and Chemist both feel like lynchbait
Bingle being AWOL isn't good juju I'd say

Also thoughts on titus’ D3 so far being exclusively bad takes?

It's annoying af but I don't think it's scum

Whats the differentiating factor between lynch bait and just scum?

Also what’s your townread on titus based on then?

Titus is a weird one bc I really don’t think she’s been

that

town all game but my top TRs have said she’s town so I’m kind of trusting that

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eh

VOTE: alyssa

Why the switch?

my feelings for your slot have been going up with your latest posts

and my feelings for alyssa's slot have been going down with time & reading the game

What about my latest posts is townie?

I think my latest posts are fairly NAI tbh

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It’s quite frustrating because I could fake this push on alyssa as scum so I can’t really argue that my conviction here is a reason to TR the push

I think the strongest reason to read me as town is still being the CW to scum on D1 tbh, whereas the best reason to read alyssa as scum is that she’s been generally aimless apart from flipping really awkwardly onto PB yesterday

I was thinking she wouldn’t self-vote on D1 when I could be mislynched > mariaR but there were other votes there in play and if she had been resisting it and Maria had been lynched anyway she’d look at lot worse

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Oi chemist, did you ever explain why you thought those posts from Maria were +partner equity for me or did you just decide saying “+partner -partner” was sufficient in terms of analysis

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for Titus honestly the fact she's moon logicking this hard is probably a towntell

I don’t get this

Town!titus has a reputation for being extremely logical which she amps up herself half the time when she has a chance

So how is her moonlogic-ing indicative of town!her?

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Can someone explain to me why we're okay with Bingle swinging their pirate sword

Huh?

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If there wasn’t quite such a need for Alyssa to die today then bingle wouldn’t be a bad idea

Idk, everyone is pretty scum in (Chennis, chem, Alyssa, bingle)

I think the risk is that flipping the wrong one means that people refocus elsewhere and the remaining scum coast by

yes, I’m aware of how incredibly beneficial this line is to scum!me but if you think about it for 5 seconds you’ll see why town!me is concerned about it

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I think there is currently significant incentive for scum to bus, if scum is roughly where we think it is

In that case, my concern about flipping bingle first is that it lets alyssa push me tomorrow with sufficient cred to probably win that, which then gets her to final 5 where she can hardpush chenn!scum as the other half of her solve

That gets her to final 3 and from there it’s toss up, especially depending on who she brings with her

If it is alyssa scum, then I think there’s massive benefit to lynching her now because it avoids that situation. As she initiated things, if she flips red there’s no free cred for the other scum unless it’s me or turkey (one of which I know is impossible the other I think is v unlikely) which means that the next two lynches if they don’t hit scum are at least much more likely to be town directed

Like provided Alyssa!scum is correct then I do actually think bingle is the best lynch tomorrow anyway

Then re-evaluating the day after that in f5 if the game isn’t over

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eh

VOTE: alyssa

Why the switch?

my feelings for your slot have been going up with your latest posts

and my feelings for alyssa's slot have been going down with time & reading the game

What about my latest posts is townie?

I think my latest posts are fairly NAI tbh

I'm thinking the probability of you being scum trying to apply continuous pressure to me when it's much more effective to just stop, especially when there's been a lot of opportunities to back out, is maybe less than the probability of Alyssa being scum

For clarity: I'm well aware what I described is probably comfortably in your scumrange and it's not like I'm pulling a complete 180 on my read

Also for clarity: I've been in this game for the span of a couple of hours and in all honesty, I haven't really read much during night phase because I had to grade some stuff/sleep/whatever so like I'm literally feeling my way around and my reads probably are going to look like this:

I’m willing to give you time to get back into the game but I know that your approach here is within your scumrange snd I don’t think your slot was townie before you joined by a long shot

I’ll think about whether your explanation for flipping on me makes sense tomorrow it’s super late here. Kinda intuitively think it doesn’t but I guess we’ll see. Like I don’t see why you think that scum!me would drop it if that makes sense? Like especially given that scum!me is aware that high pressure play generally looks town regardless and that you know me well enough to know that I know that

Yes, I’m aware this is getting WIFOMy which is why I think you should reread the game even if you don’t particularly want to do that you’re informed on what everyone has actually done. Even if you just reread all living players in ISO that would be a good start

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for Titus honestly the fact she's moon logicking this hard is probably a towntell

I don’t get this

Town!titus has a reputation for being extremely logical which she amps up herself half the time when she has a chance

So how is her moonlogic-ing indicative of town!her?

She moonlogicks as both alignments

But when she does it as town it's totally off the wall and incomprehensible in the way an eldritch abomination is considered incomprehensible

Versus it feeling stilted as scum

I will give her benefit of the doubt for now if the turkey is also still hard town on her

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It’s literally (alyssa, bingle)

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Oi chemist, did you ever explain why you thought those posts from Maria were +partner equity for me or did you just decide saying “+partner -partner” was sufficient in terms of analysis

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Turkey, you misspelled “alyssa” in that latest vote

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What the fuck do you expect me to do when you start a heavily biased engagement only to throw the "this thing you did only comes from scum" card when I basically tell you that the reason I'm being lockscummed is stupid in the first place and I that the best way to resolve it is to flip me

You're basically claiming you can't be scum because you're too scummy to be scum. I do not buy that.

No I'm claiming that I can't be scum because my PM says town and I want to show the class that so flip me

Vote yourself then

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Titus appears in thread again

Titus continues to utterly fail to explain her reads

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lol

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Okay alyssa explain how scum!me makes any sense fypov

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Because everybody else is town and you're transparently scum

lol

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Feel like explaining why you try to shut down everybody's posting when it doesn't exactly fit into your worldview?

Its not like you have any pressure if you're town here

I have the pressure of getting you killed because otherwise I think you have a good chance of winning

I think your plan is exactly the following: bus bingle, lynch me, lynch Chen!slot, lynch probably chemist in lylo

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Also, I haven’t been trying to shut down anyone’s posting, I’ve been trying to shut down their votes which is different

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I would actively like people to post more and make clearer what their stances are and think I’ve been both clear and consistent on that point

I just don’t want them to vote anyone other than you and I don’t want anyone who is voting you to move their vote

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Also based on this game so far I have exactly 0 faith in this town to lynch you after I flip town otherwise I’d be asking to die so I can stop playing in this game

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lol okay alyssa

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Because everybody else is town and you're transparently scum

I think if you were town you’d find it a lot easier to do much better than this

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I would actively like people to post more and make clearer what their stances are and think I’ve been both clear and consistent on that point

I just don’t want them to vote anyone other than you and I don’t want anyone who is voting you to move their vote

Dude, I have no interest in Alyssa today and I have no interest in talking to someone who isn't listening.

Why not? What are you seeing in her ISO that says town to you?

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I am caught up! =)

I believe the scumteam is exactly Chemist1422, Pink Ball, and one of MariaR and Ginngie. I am townreading everybody else!

VOTE: Pink Ball

Elect: Titus

Because while Chemist1422 and Pink Ball are direct scumreads, MariaR and Ginngie are slots I am simply not townreading!

VOTE: MariaR

Shrug

VOTE: ginngie

VOTE: Menalque

VOTE: Chemist

VOTE: menalque

VOTE: alyssa

Just ugh

I suddenly feel this is TvT
Fuck everything

For someone who was scumreading Pb D1 you sure didn’t do anything to try and lynch him D1, and I don’t think you voting for me when mariaR was ostensibly in your solve Pool makes any sense either

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I want to talk Bingle, Mena. Why is Bingle town?

I have been explicitly saying that bingle is not town

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The problem with lynching bingle first is that it gives ank enough towncred on the bus to push through a lynch on me and probably pine and to get to f3

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Sorry it’s been a busy day I’ll be around in a couple of hours

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@bingle i mostly think you’re scum bc of the massive absence of solving in your ISO

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Fucksake

VOTE: bingle

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I’m having a drink and I’m a bit cloudy

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Can someone just cop me or Alyssa tonight if we get cop

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I think probably (bingle, chem) has one scum in it

If it’s not bingle then idk tbh but probably just (chem, Alyssa)

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I might be too buzzed for this

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Weird that this time literally no one is around apparently

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I mean basically all of it?

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Let’s play a game called I’m getting sloshed playing Irish poker so can you link wherever you think you have been solving

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If memory serves it’s basically you talking about mechanics in a way that’s not very helpful and then emerging at the end of days to make a last minute push

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Idk turkey why would he not do that as scum

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Like I don’t think that’s sufficient vs general posting from him

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Although I will be horrendously disappointed if alyssa!town

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Fucking a

VOTE: alyssa

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Would depend on alyssa being online

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Answer time

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Just turned midnight here

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I am planning to double check my townreads today and if those are all solid then I think game is over via PoE

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Can everyone post their likely scum pool pls?

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Literally can everyone make a post with their scum pool in it

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Okay can you do it again bc I’m lazy

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I am feeling very lost in this game tbh

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I see ginngie has scumclaimed and I have no idea why

VOTE: ginngie