Micro 930: Neon Mafia (Game over!)

[Alisae]

mod approved ego btw

[Alisae]

okay but you're not even trying to push me or question my stances. like it's not really a vanity when we still have time for other wagons to form. so if you think i'm scum, then you should be pushing me or trying to start a wagon on me, especially when others have expressed concerns about me.

i wasn't insulting you but okay. my point on your noms vote still stands.

Your suggestions are suggestions. I'm not going to fake some fabricated conviction to get others to vote you. This is a gambling game and I'm gambling.

VOTE: Luca Blight

what

[Alisae]

Here it is.

VOTE: Looker

How original

Payback's a VOTE: nomnomnom

But, seriously, though
S{Quag | Heaven/Nom | Aldus/Skitter/Menal | Captain/Luca}T

okay you know what
this read on me is just tmi
VOTE: looker

[Alisae]

meh

[Alisae]

gave skitter a blind eye for no real good reason
unlucky ig

[Alisae]

glad i could disappoint

[Alisae]

i was mostly focused on trying to win george's game (which I won) which was why i wasn't really interested in this one

[Alisae]

i think if i cared i could have actually figured this out

clearly, i didn't care, so i didn't figure it out

[Alisae]

im not being hard on myself im just stating the facts
i didn't care, so i didn't figure it out

[Alisae]

if someone asked me
"why are you townreading skitter"
I don't think I would be able to honestly answer that question

[Alisae]

like
im good enough to feel like i could have solved this
but i didn't want to, so i didn't

that or im just delusional ig.
/shrug

[Alisae]

that bus is only well done if you don't question it and look it over, or to say in otherwise, refuse to re-evaluate

[Alisae]

nomnomnom (5): skitter30, Captain the Furret, GeorgeBailey, Luca Blight, nomnomnom [LYNCH]

that
A. Noms selfhammered so its likely she was being bussed
B. Scum lynches d1 are always a result of scum being on the wagon

[Alisae]

see im competent to know this stuff but if I don't put the effort into actually winning then it doesn't matter kekw

[Alisae]

also would you have been able to pick out skitter as scum rather than GB?

my subjective opinion is that quag and I had the scummiest associatives with nom, and that we should have been the Day 2/3 lynches; and then I would also say skitter would need a reevaluation because I would predicted she would be the night 3 kill

admittedly my scumhunting ability is biased by my own views of what i'd do as scum, which trends away from bussing

60-40 chance i do.
George kind of seemed a bit more townier then noms and I expected more theater between the two if they were partners.
also george in general kind of just seemed more towny but /shrug

I don't understand why people scumread you period and quag just straight up concedes.

[Alisae]

I disagree, you just need to know what to look for.
You tried to take quag down with you for sure.

[Alisae]

but im likely just delusional so its not my like my opinion matters

[Alisae]

@alisae: unfortunately your role basically guaranteed you'd be dead by day 3 so I'm not sure you'd have the time to pick out skitterscum

I think I should have been able to pick it up d2 100% if I put at least any amount of thought into it

[Alisae]

thats kind of my attitude towards my play

coulda been better if i put the effort into it!
oh well unlucky ig
better luck next time

[Alisae]

if you really know how to setup spec
you figure out the setup when luca claims macho neapolitan

[Alisae]

@alisae: unfortunately your role basically guaranteed you'd be dead by day 3 so I'm not sure you'd have the time to pick out skitterscum

I think I should have been able to pick it up d2 100% if I put at least any amount of thought into it

@nom: hmm I guess my misstep was thinking that your lynch was a panicky completely unplanned thing and scumhunting based on that.

if you really know how to setup spec
you figure out the setup when luca claims macho neapolitan

tbh I'm kind of confused from a balance perspective about why you were a bodyguard instead of a full doctor, since luca was macho

Because Doctor is a really strong role.

[Alisae]

Doctor I think is actually my favorite role to rand.
Its a really strong role.

[Alisae]

the issue is I always get shot when I rand doctor ;~;

[Alisae]

Well Aldusk, you get to pick 1 player and make sure they live to see the next day.

[Alisae]

if you doc someone
unless your protection gets bypassed
they will be alive the next day

pedit: I like doctor more because of how simple it is.

[Alisae]

if you really know how to setup spec
you figure out the setup when luca claims macho neapolitan

We mostly did tbh

what I mean by that is you likely figure out that im the protective

[Alisae]

if you doc someone
unless your protection gets bypassed
they will be alive the next day

pedit: I like doctor more because of how simple it is.

the problem with doctors is they have to target the same person the scum plans on killing that night

you do not need to stop a kill as a doctor.

[Alisae]

if you target someone as doc there's no way they can die (barring strongman/roleblock)

the threat of doc stopping the kill is usually enough

^^^^^^^^^

[Alisae]

Protecting to stop a kill with the intent to stop a kill, will never save a kill, because you're overthinking it.

Think about it this way

Yes, the wifom game does get created
and the best way to play that as a doctor is to ask yourself some questions
Is the person I am currently protecting likely to be a threat to the scumteam?
Is the person I am currently protecting someone I want to be alive.

In AvP, I took the game out of MyLo w/ a successful protect.
Instead of protecting Conftown, who was rather useless and wasn't doing anything, I decided to protect duckie, who was doing things, had obvtowned himself, and was a threat.

I stopped the game and pulled the game out of MyLo

now granted we still lost, it was still a very close game.

pedit: Yes its true all of the time.

[Alisae]

i think if ur a doc, just keep your action simple
protect who you think is a threat to the scumteam as well as who you want to be alive during the next day phase

that'll take you a long long way and it took me 3 years to come to this realization

[Alisae]

If conftown isn't doing anything, do they really deserve to be protected because they're conftown?

[Alisae]

even after 1 or 2 shots where you realized that the scumteam aren't interested in shooting the conftown?

[Alisae]

yeah doctor's a good role but have you considered limited bulletproof innocent child neighbor tracker?

that role is only good if that person knows how to play the part of conftown.

[Alisae]

And well
you won that game
so I think you played it well

[Alisae]

yeah doctor's a good role but have you considered limited bulletproof innocent child neighbor tracker?

that role is only good if that person knows how to play the part of conftown.

is this a way of saying I played bad

tbh
it took me a minute to remember that I

actually

put that role in a game. I've done some other crazy shit before so I don't exactly remember everything off the top of my head.

[Alisae]

My favorite part is watching the mafia PT with skitter being all like "man this game was won with nom's lynch I'm bored" I had a hearty chuckle.

What Skitter should have actually been saying is that the game was won when you replaced in

[Alisae]

you play the alignment similarly how I play the alignment
However because of that, it was easier to make posts that would lead you onto doing what I thought you would do as a wolf.

Regardless, you can earn some of those sweet sweet respect points.

[Alisae]

that BG claim was so satisfying

pedit: You should

[Alisae]

yeah exactly thats why it was fun
your reaction afterwards was also fun

[Alisae]

its that you're having fun when you rand mafia

[Alisae]

I mean I can't blame you
clearly, it is in fact the superior alignment

[Alisae]

2 reasons why I didn't really try hard this game out or get into it
A. I didn't really have any real scumreads but instead they were mostly a lot of townreads.
B. I was tryharding in this game, which was actually pretty hard to win considering I was 1v7 for most of it

[Alisae]

Honestly it seems like a lot of people don't enjoy playing scum that much but whenever I am playing scum I am having the time of my life.
Town is insanely more stressful but it's getting better every game.

exactly you get it
as town you have to solve a puzzle
as scum you don't have to do that

[Alisae]

I'm pretty sure Nacho said something along these lines
"Like when you're scum you can do legitimately anything you want and it's for your win condition."
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[Alisae]

You did alright in AvT.

Better then Bitmap and Maria/Dunn

[Alisae]

Chemist the way I see it
I don't care about mislynching because it tells me that my solve is wrong.
If your solve is wrong, what does that mean?
It means you should re-evaluate and get back to solvin that puzzle

[Alisae]

Confidence comes from Failure

I failed many times in this game and was significantly worse in 2017 compared to now

Now I feel like I can call myself above average or even good because I feel like I understand the game, and understanding the game is great!
It takes a lot of time put into the game to be good at it.

[Alisae]

Yet again
RC also calls me delusional and I highly respect his opinion

keep in mind i'm saying this somewhat ironically but i mean hey its possible!

[Alisae]

I actually hate rl mafia
played it once at an ms meet

as town i'm disinterested and don't care
as scum i'm disinterested and do care and flinch and give of body tells fairly easily.

[Alisae]

i've been tempted to sign up for a game that RC is in just to see what all the fuss is about

He's pretty good actually

[Alisae]

I mean
I won 3 scummies in 2017 and the one over my head right now is my 4th

The scummies I won were
Rising Star
Don Corleone
Modfather

[Alisae]

You did alright in AvT.

Better then Bitmap and Maria/Dunn

I did okay, but looking back on that game I feel like I could've done a lot better.

and thats how improvement happens!

think about it this way

there was a scene in dbz when Goku wants Gohan to fight Perfect Cell.
Gohan could actually follow the fight and it was actually rather slow for Gohan and Goku identified that it was because Gohan was actually better then Cell.

[Alisae]

AF just remember the general principals that I tried to teach Bitmap.
Drive the Agenda
Control the Narative

Also remember you have absolute freedom. Literally anything you do is for your wincon

[Alisae]

just play, eventually your efforts will be recognized

the community is as active as ever for supporting the scummies