BooneyToonz UPick: Boon There, Done That [END]

[Krazy Katz]

Hi im boon

Heres the dealio: "I smoked an entiiiiiore bowl while designing this game

That answer your questions nancychan?"

-the boon


/note I am hopefully silly enough here this cannot be construed as actually impersonating the mod

[Krazy Katz]

VOTE: the worst

[Krazy Katz]

Theoretically we're waiting on BTE or Chronus replacement

[Krazy Katz]

Why is the n3 prize secret?

"Sticky fruit" is not in your role name at all?

[Krazy Katz]

Oh why not sharing picks?

[Krazy Katz]

Why did only chk get fruit n3?

[Krazy Katz]

so you did not self-vend sticky fruit n1? so it was "everyone else" not everyone?

[Krazy Katz]

I don't suppose we have a list of who all was the target of a cop check n1?

did xtoxm/sore fruit claim fruit reception?

Have you kept track of who all confirmed receiving fruit?

[Krazy Katz]

It would be funny if my secret item made me loyal on N3.

That would imply jjh scum scenario?

[Krazy Katz]

It's funny because I was playing with a scenario where you are scum and had disloyal

Did jjh confirm sticky fruit reception n1?

[Krazy Katz]

Nah if you were town disloyal then everyone is scum lololol

It seems like titus probably just froze on the barb destroying the fruit during the guilty

[Krazy Katz]

why jjh didn't get fruit n3 tho is interesting even tho yeah, giving town an extra lynch would be an interesting choice...

[Krazy Katz]

In a world of 2 jjh as scum no kills to guide town off his buddy tonight and hope he doesn't get lynched through paranoia on why he doesn't die by endgame?

And at the same time he comes out with literally the most convoluted guilty on rce ever seen lol

[Krazy Katz]

Nah if you were town disloyal then everyone is scum lololol

It seems like titus probably just froze on the barb destroying the fruit during the guilty

Can you please explain this?

We both are confirmed as having gotten fruit n1

so bte town with disloyal would make both of us scum nancy

So it seems like titus should have gotten sticky fruit

Did chronos claim getting sticky fruit?

[Krazy Katz]

I copp'd Nom last night and got nothing.

So I trust her.

VOTE: Titus

Spicy :3
VOTE: Titus

I also got a SF

[Krazy Katz]

With how much Titus has been fuckin with me, oh me oh my, this should be fun.

I got fruited as well, but mine doesn't protect me from night kills, so that's weird?

How did you know it didn't protect you from kills?

[Krazy Katz]

VOTE: titus
here we go
i got a sticky fruit

For the recorrd I was also a n1 cop that couldnt speak about it or else we die, used it on RCE but got no result as well. We have a sticky fruit in our posession as well, how many of them are there ?

~Venus

[Krazy Katz]

Got sticky fruit too. Don't have anything else worth sharing.

I'm pretty lost lol

~Esper

I'm also a N1 suicidal cop (can't mention d1 or would die). Got a no result on my target. I'm gonna hold back on ID for a bit to see if conversation reveals why.
Did sore feet receive anything other than a sticky fruit?
I also got a sticky fruit.

Titus are you limited in how many items you can modify a night? How about number of items you can give?

Best move for town is to give all the SF to the same person so that other abilities are allowed to be targeted on everyone else. As it sits now most of us are untargetable by anything but kills, if the sticky fruit is the standard variety.

Someone apparently submitted N-split as a pick, and probably sticky fruit too. If town did this they were not being very smart at all. I'm betting it's scum. Unless Boon just showered us with fruit as a non-ability mechanic or something.

We might have to wait for RCE to know if he received any item, perhaps it's related to this
In any case this turn of events makes me glad I did not out all my items

Got a sticky fruit. Also have a suicidal secret n1 cop shot. Targeted nom with no result. I don't think any of this is relevant but it makes my possible post restriction make sense. Well one of them anyway.

I've received a sticky fruit last night as well.

My suspicion was backed up by a check which I believe in, so there it is

VOTE: Titus

Venus and Mars suddenly looks worse with the slip and titus potentially being scum here, I'll go back to it when I need to.

I've read TItus' defence and I don't get why she should live, she's basically claiming that she has town utility but she never really said if she's scum or not? Reads like she's brushing aside the aspect of her being red peeked and arguing "let me live cuz i have things that can help town" while not realising she's openly scum claiming , but merely arguing that she can turn out to be useful for us, even if she's scum, or that's the feeling I get anyway.

[Krazy Katz]

so if bte was disloyal or something his buddies at least had the sense to claim so it seems like it does mean little

I need to sit down and get all the cop check claims tho to get a sense of various levels of strength

[Krazy Katz]

Why does 3090 spend the whole post talking about nancy when there's a guilty on titus

#answers I won't get

[Krazy Katz]

Tried to find who dave checked and gave up lol

[Krazy Katz]

Rce what made you target nom with the cop n1?

[Krazy Katz]

Dave died targeting xtoxm

[Krazy Katz]

Seems like it was chk given "physically change" (virus)

[Krazy Katz]

If SF got an item and jjh did not, that likely confirms SF and jjh to be different allignments. This holds true whether or not BTE is town with a disloyal fruit or scum with a loyal.

His theory is that the item he got n3 might habe temporarily given him loyal/disloyal

@bte im still a little confused; you can't send regular fruit each night?

[Krazy Katz]

If the alternate wincon is survivor and the alternate wincon is tied to chk getting virus'd but he started as town I'd think 3.5 scum at least, probably 4 so 2 remaining

[Krazy Katz]

You still have the one item right? And you can vend tonight? so we might learn more from you tomorrow... In theory?

[Krazy Katz]

To Boon or Not To Boon

Vote Count 5.02

Chronos will be replaced if they don’t show up by tomorrow.
n.

@boon eta?

Searching for one

[Krazy Katz]

I was thinking 4 scum because 17 players. There'd only be fewer if 2+ 3parties, only one 3p and i'd expect 4 scum.

[Krazy Katz]

I was hoping replacement would be a little faster

[Krazy Katz]

I for one fully believe BTE had an alternate wincon that involved lynching Elsa Jay.

[Krazy Katz]

I honestly kinda scumread the 370s from Chronos, I see it as s/s distancing tbh

[Krazy Katz]

2266

[Krazy Katz]

@Mod: I am playing animal crossing right now

You have reached an alternate wincon. Game continues as if nothing happened.

Oh I see. Jjh has reached the alternate wincon. But wait does that mean that jjh is actually an unjester? Clearly if scum shoots him tonight, they'd be gamethrowing.

[Krazy Katz]

The second part of his wincon is that he has to be targeted by the nightkill. If scum kill him they'd literally be giving him the win

[Krazy Katz]

I feel like I'm missing something

We're still mass-claiming today, yes?

I'd like to go rce-->chronus-->michael-->chk-->bte-->v&m-->jjh at the moment, a little different from the order we discussed last night and we can do that order if conspire wants

Anyway let's donit organized with ful

Name:
Picks:
Starting role:
Any changes to role:
Current inventory:
N1:
N2:
N3:
N4:

Including what happened to you and what you did

@gamma this is all you need, you don't need to read anything right now just claim your role, picks, the sequence of night actions (both items recieved and given) etc. Thanks!

[Krazy Katz]

Gamma scum for checking pt before claiming

/1hour claim delay scummy in 200 page replace in :3 :3 :3

[Krazy Katz]

Name:
Picks:
Starting role:
Any changes to role:
Current inventory:
N1:
N2:
N3:
N4:

Please convey everything told to you by boon in that format if at all possible, thanks

[Krazy Katz]

What is in the confessional?

[Krazy Katz]

Can you summarize the setup info in the confessional?

[Krazy Katz]

Jjh is there any item related useful info for you that would not be revealed on a flip? Otherwise yeah we can probably pause mass until tomorrow since full solve is already not happening

[Krazy Katz]

Gamma read mechanic + rce and ignoring mech stuff and knowing titus is a redflip what's your take on the slot?

[Krazy Katz]

Fair

But basically rce was the consensus lynch today because of your slot's weird message to jjh...

Now the problem I've had is that the guilty has been obviously fucky for the whole time and he responded well. But if he knew the guilty was fake maybe he was hoping it blows over? Idk

So basically lynchpool today is you, rce, and bte. So if you find town in rce, you'd want to follow up on bte

[Krazy Katz]

I think everything by Amrun is signed Amrun, just about everything unsigned should be me

[Krazy Katz]

Nancy have you made the day's round picks?

Me+consp+michael?

[Krazy Katz]

I'm fine with me/jjh/conspire too

[Krazy Katz]

You know what's funny

I think boon shitposting accidentally made this game even more bastard since nancy is taking that post seriously LMAO

[Krazy Katz]

Why the fuck am I likely a 3p

Because boon 'confirmed' you fulfilled a wincon for playing animal crossing, remember? :3

[Krazy Katz]

I'm like the nancy whisperer :3

[Krazy Katz]

@Mod: I am playing animal crossing right now

You have reached an alternate wincon. Game continues as if nothing happened.

Due diligence

@boon please confirm this obvious shitpost is in fact a shitpost

[Krazy Katz]

Yes, I am almost totally 100% confident the mod edit in 2266 is a shitpost

I'm only not 100% sure because boon is in fact a madman

But really? Realllyyy?? Lmao

[Krazy Katz]

anyway conspire slot just dies because if that was a troll, whoa boy, too stronk, and anyway I think scum probable had one slot with access to the confessional anyway

VOTE: gamma

[Krazy Katz]

Chronus

Fucking

Chronus

Gdddddddiiiiii

[Krazy Katz]

shes not even in the game and im still fucking it up jeeeeeez

[Krazy Katz]

I support it

[Krazy Katz]

Damn it gamma you're dying with my jingle bell too

Btw did boon not confirm jingle bell reception?

[Krazy Katz]

You know what's funny

I think boon shitposting accidentally made this game even more bastard since nancy is taking that post seriously LMAO

What post is this about?

whether the mod edit on animal crossing wincon was a shitpost or not

In a game where, to be fair to nancy, boon confirmed someone had an alternate wincon

[Krazy Katz]

Yeah that's mildly inconvenient for me since sf hitting me with a jingle bell was the third reason I was mech town this game but I already have the other two so idgaf

To be clear: I got a jingle bell 2 nights ago and sent it to gamma last night. *in theory* this means gamma did not perform the nightkill since the save would have 'announced' I think

[Krazy Katz]

right so if gamma did the kill then conspire should have heard they were targeted by kill

All it means is that the other slot did the kill tho *shrug*

[Krazy Katz]

I mean chronus was reasonably townie even if she was scum

She was distancing from titus after all, that was why she was getting townread

[Krazy Katz]

If I got a guilty on scum by scum hittting me with a scum ability then shit, that might actually be potg right there

I don't know if its true but I really hope it is LMAO

[Krazy Katz]

My vote was a hammer if anyone missed that lol

[Krazy Katz]

Isn't it even better if I hammered scum I had a guilty on before I knew it was a mech guilty

I think that makes it like waaaay better tbh

[Krazy Katz]

Play of the game

[Krazy Katz]

Dude don't be a c-c-c-combo breaker!

[Krazy Katz]

C-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-cooommbboooo breakkkerrrrrr

[Krazy Katz]

Okay, I changed it to Conspire, KK, jjh.

I really hope I don’t have to change it again.

How much do we all trust Krazy Katz again?

-Cosmic

I think Krazy Katz is very trustworthy, for one :3

[Krazy Katz]

Shh don't interrupt him while he's working

[Krazy Katz]

Quick michael, now's your chance! Before the day breaks you can claim scum! Hurrryyyyyyyyy

Dude what if we won the game before we saw a flip tho?

[Krazy Katz]

VOTE: bte.

I believe

[Krazy Katz]

I wonder how high boon is right now

Maybe he thinks these posts are hallucinations

[Krazy Katz]

I think its bte just because he seemed more interested in alternate wincon than gamewin yesterday which would match my feeling of tilted scum

But rce would also kinda fit tilted scum narrative

Sooooooo...

[Krazy Katz]

anyway uhhh

Michael is there a reason for you to not claim why conspire was giving you a pass yesterday

[Krazy Katz]

You're actually pink ball pretending to be auro?

[Krazy Katz]

It's not final day if we miss and it is final day if we hit

Ez

[Krazy Katz]

INTROUDUCING:

0

and

3

does this post mean anything?

-K

I'm sure it does. And it will drive me crazy.

P.S.

Hello Everyone.

B

Greeting tell, easy game

VOTE: bte

[Krazy Katz]

anyway there's an edgecase where is important I know you're mech town auro

I don't think we hit that edge case but it would be good to eliminate you as possible

[Krazy Katz]

But which head of conspire do you love more?

:3

[Krazy Katz]

If rce is like arson or something it might matter

Otherwise ideally game ends with bte I think

[Krazy Katz]

Auro did you infer my role yet

[Krazy Katz]

Jjh's flip says his sends are flavored as regular fruit tho

[Krazy Katz]

Auro did you infer my role yet

Scum mastermind?

If you really thought about this game my role should be obvious

Or my starting role before virus anyway

anyway it doesn't matter really probably

[Krazy Katz]

If rce is like arson or something it might matter

Otherwise ideally game ends with bte I think

Why does RCE send me the feather? I was the only one who expressed suspicion on him.

We can lynch rce first if you get everyone you're sending to boonus room to agree to fast night

[Krazy Katz]

Everyone has multitasking iirc

[Krazy Katz]

Counter arsonist?
So you got susp of me for arsonist theory talk?

No lol

It was implied in a flip

[Krazy Katz]

Wait did we hard clear chk

I think we did but I forgot why

[Krazy Katz]

Maybe I was just really confident he was scum off tone

I just had this random thought about boon doing a 'scum survivor' role as.a throwback to overkill 2 but that's probably dumb

[Krazy Katz]

Oh, Supersaint?

Ding ding ding

Not anymore after virus but yeah, how could I not ask for miller supersaint after last game lol

[Krazy Katz]

I'm fine with that nancy

[Krazy Katz]

What if chk became survivor arsonist

That would be extra stupid lolololol

[Krazy Katz]

Why'd you ask for the miller part tho?

You'd have to read the shakespeare game

But the fun part is it can be double.guiltied (gunsmkth +normal.cop) but got hardcleared in the convolutiest way

[Krazy Katz]

Sadly this game I've just been naked town and scum have been busy hitting me with every debuff lol so it never mattered

[Krazy Katz]

Nomnomnom

has died! They were a...

Spoiler:

Contestant

Welcome,

Nomnomnom

, you are a

Loud Boon Wars Intr

ou

duction

.

Boon Wars was a partner event, that consisted of 3 separate games. One partner would play in The Boondom Menace, One in Attack of the Colognes, and a secret hydra game Revenge of the Jingle.

Abilities

:
• At the beginning of every day, as long as you are alive, numbers will be announced globally.
• You may send in a +1 or -1 to effect these numbers in some fashion, yet you do not know what this means.
• You may target someone at night with an

Antique Gun from the Boon Wars

, and your target will receive “You got a Boonie looking bullet.” Once 2 players have received this, you will create a Boon Wars Museum neighborhood thread. This item can not be blocked by any means.
• Night 1, you have a Suicidal Secret Cop Shot. You may target someone to learn their alignment. If you bring this up at all before Night 1, you will immediately die.
• You are a

Basic Boon

. Whatever does this mean?

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the

Contestants

have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

Picks: 1. BOON WARS banner, cut off for mobile
2. The word "INTROUDUCTION" because that's how you spelled it in the BooneyToonz discussion thread
3. The "Loud" modifier because that's just me

Numbers were nomnom

[Krazy Katz]

I remember thinking he was town for the virus stuff since I don't think he flips out if he still has access to scum pt, but maybe he just became serial killer goon or something idk

Bte still probably a more likely hit?

[Krazy Katz]

Rce how u?

[Krazy Katz]

Scum did not confirm I jinglebelled them, no

ALSO, did u know xtoxm made that same argument the FIRST time scum debuffed me?

Rce y r u paraphrasing scum arguments lol

[Krazy Katz]

1.02

Jjh927

[3]:

Chronos

,

Kakeguri Addicts

,

Conspire

Kakeguri Addicts

[2]: Auro,

Nomnomnom

,
Venus and Mars [2]:

Sore Feet

,

GeorgeBailey

Auro [2]:

Titus

, BooneyToonzExpert
Chkflip [1]:

The Fonz

,

The Fonz

[1]: Krazy Katz

Chronos

[1]:

Jjh927

Sore Feet

[1]:

Vecna

Titus

[1]: Chkflip

Not Voting [3]: Venus and Mars, RCEnigma,

Davesaz

,

1.03
Venus and Mars [3]:

Sore Feet

,

GeorgeBailey

,

Chronos

Jjh927

[2]:

Kakeguri Addicts

,

Conspire

Sore Feet

[2]:

Vecna

, Venus and Mars
BooneyToonzExpert [2]: Krazy Katz, Auro

Kakeguri Addicts

[1]:

Nomnomnom

,
Auro [1]: BooneyToonzExpert

GeorgeBailey

[1]:

The Fonz

,

Davesaz

[1]:

Jjh927

Titus

[1]: Chkflip,
Chkflip [1]:

Titus

Not Voting [2]: RCEnigma,

Davesaz

,

1.04

Vecna

[4]: Chkflip, Krazy Katz,

Kakeguri Addicts

, Venus and Mars

Conspire

[3]:

Jjh927

,

Sore Feet

, Auro

GeorgeBailey

[2]:

The Fonz

, BooneyToonzExpert

Nomnomnom

[1]:

GeorgeBailey

,

Jjh927

[1]:

Conspire

Sore Feet

[1]:

Vecna

,

Titus

[1]:

Chronos

,

Kakeguri Addicts

[1]:

Nomnomnom

,
Chkflip [1]:

Titus

Not Voting [2]: RCEnigma,

Davesaz

,

1.05

Vecna

[6]: Chkflip, BooneyToonzExpert,

Titus

,

Davesaz

, Krazy Katz, Venus and Mars
RCEnigma [3]:

GeorgeBailey

,

Sore Feet

,

Chronos

Davesaz

[2]:

The Fonz

,

Kakeguri Addicts

GeorgeBailey

[1]:

Jjh927

BooneyToonzExpert [1]: Michael Scott

Sore Feet

[1]:

Vecna

,

Titus

[1]:

Conspire

Kakeguri Addicts

[1]:

Nomnomnom

,

Not Voting [1]: RCEnigma,

1.06

Davesaz

[5]:

The Fonz

,

Kakeguri Addicts

,

Conspire

, Michael Scott, Krazy Katz
RCEnigma [2]:

Chronos

, Venus and Mars

Kakeguri Addicts

[2]:

Nomnomnom

,

GeorgeBailey

Venus and Mars [2]: RCEnigma, Chkflip

GeorgeBailey

[1]:

Jjh927

,
BooneyToonzExpert [1]:

Titus

,
Krazy Katz [1]:

Vecna

,

Conspire

[1]:

Davesaz

Not Voting [2]: BooneyToonzExpert,

Sore Feet

1.07

Davesaz

[3]:

The Fonz

,

Kakeguri Addicts

, Michael Scott,

GeorgeBailey

[3]:

Jjh927

,

Nomnomnom

,

Conspire

Nomnomnom

[2]:

Sore Feet

, Krazy Katz
RCEnigma [2]:

Chronos

, Venus and Mars
Venus and Mars [2]: RCEnigma, Chkflip

Kakeguri Addicts

[1]:

GeorgeBailey

BooneyToonzExpert [1]:

Titus

,
Krazy Katz [1]:

Vecna

,

Conspire

[1]:

Davesaz

Not Voting [1]: BooneyToonzExpert,

1.08

Kakeguri Addicts

[6]:

Nomnomnom

,

JJH927

, Michael Scott, Chkflip,

Davesaz

, Venus and Mars

Davesaz

[4]:

The Fonz

,

Kakeguri Addicts

,

GeorgeBailey

,

Conspire

Nomnomnom

[3]:

Sore Feet

, Krazy Katz,

Titus

,

GeorgeBailey

[1]: BooneyToonzExpert,
RCEnigma [1]:

Chronos

,
Venus and Mars [1]: RCEnigma,
Krazy Katz [1]:

Vecna

,

Not Voting [0]:

1.09

Kakeguri Addicts

[9]:

Nomnomnom

,

JJH927

, Michael Scott, Chkflip,

Davesaz

, Venus and Mars,

Vecna

,

Conspire

, BooneyToonzExpert ——— [EXECUTE]

Davesaz

[3]:

The Fonz

,

Kakeguri Addicts

,

GeorgeBailey

,

Nomnomnom

[3]:

Sore Feet

, Krazy Katz,

Titus

,
RCEnigma [1]:

Chronos

,
Venus and Mars [1]: RCEnigma,

2.2

Titus

[7]:

Nomnomnom

, Michael Scott, Chkflip,

Chronos

, Venus and Mars, Krazy Katz,

GeorgeBailey

Nomnomnom

[1]:

Titus

Not Voting [7]:

The Fonz

, RCEnigma,

Conspire

,

Davesaz

,

Jjh927

, BooneyToonzExpert,

Sore Feet

,

2.3

Titus

[8]:

Nomnomnom

, Michael Scott, Chkflip,

Chronos

, Venus and Mars, Krazy Katz,

GeorgeBailey

, BooneyToonzExpert, ——— [EXECUTE]

Titus

[1]:

Nomnomnom

Not Voting [6]:

The Fonz

, RCEnigma,

Conspire

,

Davesaz

,

Jjh927

,

Sore Feet

,

3.02

GeorgeBailey

[3]:

Jjh927

,

Chronos

,

Davesaz

Chronos

[2]: Michael Scott, Chkflip

Jjh927

[1]:

GeorgeBailey

RCEnigma [1]:

Conspire

Sore Feet

[1]:

The Fonz

Not Voting [5]: Venus and Mars,

Sore Feet

, RCEnigma, Krazy Katz, BooneyToonzExpert,

3.03

Jjh927

[4]:

GeorgeBailey

, BooneyToonzExpert, Krazy Katz,

Conspire

,

GeorgeBailey

[2]:

Chronos

,

Davesaz

RCEnigma [2]:,

Jjh927

, Michael Scott

Sore Feet

[2]:

The Fonz

, Chkflip
Michael Scott [2]:

Sore Feet

, RCEnigma

Not Voting [1]: Venus and Mars,

3.04

Jjh927

[4]:

GeorgeBailey

, BooneyToonzExpert, Krazy Katz, Venus and Mars

Conspire

[2]:

Jjh927

, Chkflip

GeorgeBailey

[2]:

Chronos

,

Davesaz

RCEnigma [2]: Michael Scott,

Conspire

Michael Scott [2]:

Sore Feet

, RCEnigma

Sore Feet

[1]:

The Fonz

,

Not Voting [0]:,

3.05

Jjh927

[2]:

GeorgeBailey

, BooneyToonzExpert,

GeorgeBailey

[2]:

Chronos

,
RCEnigma [2]: Michael Scott,

Conspire

Michael Scott [2]:

Sore Feet

, RCEnigma

Sore Feet

[1]:

The Fonz

,

Davesaz

The Fonz

[1]: Krazy Katz

Conspire

[1]:

Jjh927

,

Not Voting [2]: Chkflip, Venus and Mars

3.06

GeorgeBailey

[5]:

Chronos

, Venus and Mars,

The Fonz

,

Conspire

,

Jjh927

RCEnigma [3]: Michael Scott,

GeorgeBailey

,

Davesaz

Michael Scott [3]:

Sore Feet

, RCEnigma, Chkflip

The Fonz

[1]: Krazy Katz

Jjh927

[1]: BooneyToonzExpert,

Not Voting [0]:

3.07

GeorgeBailey

[7]:

Chronos

, Venus and Mars,

The Fonz

,

Conspire

,

Jjh927

, Krazy Katz, Chkflip ———[EXECUTED]
RCEnigma [3]: Michael Scott,

GeorgeBailey

,

Davesaz

Michael Scott [2]:

Sore Feet

, RCEnigma,

Jjh927

[1]: BooneyToonzExpert,

Not Voting [0]:

4.02

Sore Feet

[6]: BooneyToonzExpert, Krazy Katz, Chkflip, Venus and Mars, RCEnigma, Michael Scott ———[EXECUTE]
RCEnigma [1]:

Jjh927

Conspire

[1]:

Conspire

Not Voting [2]:

Sore Feet

,

Chronos

5.02

RCEnigma [1]: Michael Scott

Not Voting [8]: Venus and Mars, Chkflip, RCEnigma,

Conspire

, Krazy Katz,

Jjh927

, BooneyToonzExpert,

Chronos

5.03

Chronos

[5]:

Jjh927

, Chkflip,

Conspire

, Venus and Mars, Krazy Katz ———[EXECUTED]
RCEnigma [1]: Michael Scott,

Not Voting [3]: RCEnigma,

Chronos

, BooneyToonzExpert

[Krazy Katz]

1.03 V&M town
1.05 RCE town
1.08 Krazy Katz town

1.09 interesting vote count

[Krazy Katz]

Unless you think scum double stack a bus in 1.05 for strong early distancing?

[Krazy Katz]

UNVOTE:

guess I'll hold off on a hyperfast speed hammer for just a minute while I finish reviewing vca lol

[Krazy Katz]

Trying to look for anything that would make it not transparently BTE and not seeing anything

chk doesn't look great either tbh, RCE looks a bit better by comparison

[Krazy Katz]

3.03 is probably the only thing that swings it a little more toward BTE over chk in terms of vca

[Krazy Katz]

I think it's pretty much always between BTE/chk, think the only way we lose this is with wacky 3p insanity

chk in association matches the pattern of all the scum kinda early distancing each other but BTE is so absent from half the scum isos it's possible they had limits on how much theater they wanted to do

[Krazy Katz]

would like at least one head of conspire to give some thoughts in case we're wrong and wouldn't mind chk and BTE towncasing themselves and scumcasing each other

[Krazy Katz]

Is it weird that I've kinda disassociated from the george lynch

Like it feels like something that happened in another game lol

[Krazy Katz]

Rce how do u feel about chk?

[Krazy Katz]

Krazy why do you think you're "naked town"
Towncase yourself pl0x

Titus gave me macho night 1
X gave me "announcing" which strongly suggests they wanted to know my role and/or if I was getting a guilty
Boon has never rolled a scum supersaint, and my role is functionally confirmed through Fonz's flip
I basically murdered Chronos-slot

Scum pretty obviously wanted to murder me days ago but had too many issues with mech town slots getting in the way LOL

Anyway how many reasons you want

[Krazy Katz]

I mean right now Auro

I am basically more mech town than you

And you are saying a mason has an inno on you

[Krazy Katz]

RCE what ever happened to the elephant thing, did we account for that?

[Krazy Katz]

Does final day mean there’s one last scum?

~Esper

Yeah

Do you wanna confirm you have an inno on Michael so I don't have to think about his slot

[Krazy Katz]

Do you wanna confirm you have an inno on Michael so I don't have to think about his slot

took mason 5 minutes to confirm, now Auro is confscum :3

[Krazy Katz]

Auro what are you doing right now LOL

[Krazy Katz]

Can you expand on the language of the loyal shot?

Would it succeed or fail on godfathers? Is it based on alignment-cop results or actual alignment?

[Krazy Katz]

sorry but Xtoxm+Titus+The Worst+Krazy as scum team ==

why are you not including Chronos who was actually the strongest scum player before replace out?

[Krazy Katz]

Refresh me on what felt townie about chk?

[Krazy Katz]

And lol "Godfather"

It's a fair question when you literally just argued scum used *none* of their mechanical abilities this game on town LOL

I think I could convince town that you're godfather sooner than you could convince this town that two used two separate debuffs on me that then were *never* cc'd LOL

[Krazy Katz]

It’s just a loyal neighbourising shot; it’s pretty much our only power aside from our masonry. It’s the standard, I’m assuming?

It's a boon game, you MUST read the role PM carefully

He very often 'mutates' common modifiers

[Krazy Katz]

chk refresh me on you being town

also can you explain why your virus card had the word survivor again in a way that got you confused about alignment?

[Krazy Katz]

Like I’m 99% sure our shot going through just means MS is town, him not being town would be super bastard and weird

~Esper

OK but you're asking me to not think about the slot again this game when he literally just argued scum have spent the entire game sitting on their thumbs

Do me a favor and double check the language that it's not 'alignment cop' based and is an actual fullclear

[Krazy Katz]

I'm saying you're just *claiming* to have gotten the macho debuff at least, how can that be verifiable?

It's day a million and there's no CCs on either action

Auro you're better than this LOL

[Krazy Katz]

BTE want to:
-towncase yourself
-explain why one out of RCE and chk is a better lynch than you?

chk want to:
-towncase yourself
-explain why one out of RCE and BTE is a better lynch than you?

[Krazy Katz]

Would the feather even work given what Boon said about last scum scenario removing voting shenanigans?

[Krazy Katz]

What did I lie about?

he's talking about when he asks you to look him in the eyes or whatever I think

[Krazy Katz]

I don't see a pm indicating as such, no

[Krazy Katz]

Krazy want to:
-read my last content post
-go fuck yourself I'm sorting them

I think the virus stuff in your big post seems clearer to you than it is to a reader, like you have to admit is just kinda weird and hard to follow

what game was this survivor townie from?

[Krazy Katz]

Auro you also got antique bullet?

[Krazy Katz]

I hve been VCAing all game with no one really taking it serious so I stopped. Mr. Katz jumps in with VCA and it's all WOW! We have solved the game!

Yeah last game you had the isssue of only looking at EoD VCA which is not how VCA works

[Krazy Katz]

If SF got an item and jjh did not, that likely confirms SF and jjh to be different allignments. This holds true whether or not BTE is town with a disloyal fruit or scum with a loyal.

This applies to you and Krazy Katz now.

Actually if vecna's rolecard was true then I would still in theory? Be a stealth miller

Diid chk ever get one of your fruits?

[Krazy Katz]

EBWOP ( I had the compromise game on N3 not N2)

Name: BTE
Picks: n/a
Starting role: Super-Duper Fruit Vendor
Any changes to role: n/a
Current inventory: No.

N1: Err'body in da club gettin' fruit.
N2: nada
N3: Fruit sent to JJH, chk, Fonz (chk is the only one who received it)
compromise game, I win. Prize is secret.

N4: nada

Yeah this confuses me as being alignment related

The secret prize was antique bullet? And there's no indication it makes you loyal/dis

[Krazy Katz]

Chk there's a lot of shit to process lol

Chill out dude jeez

[Krazy Katz]

Classic 6 man scumteam in 17p game

[Krazy Katz]

I'm mostly talking about the conspire question. I think conspire is just trying to confirm a piece of information and George reiterating there seems like he has no idea what it is.

Vecna even bringing it up suggests he knows. And I know what he knows. All town should get what I'm getting at.

I like this way of thinking (townpoints really) but I dont think its asking for what you think it is.

I have no idea what the mod was insinuating. He probably was just fucking with me. Why hint to me theres some other role interacting with my shit if there actually is? That seems like a no-no in a closed setup?

I have similar wording in my role pm that ambiguously suggests maybe hoods are a thing. But that could also be bs and just making the role encompass all scenarios. Even if they aren't possible in the setup.

@rce what in your role pm implies hoods?

[Krazy Katz]

I am the Jersey Devil.

- if anyone in the thread say "[redacted statement]" I will be unable to post in game aside from voting. I may meme in any neighborhoods I'm in.

-I can also send an item that I forgot why I wasn't sending until I reread my role. But it's a feather of the devil. If anyone denies it's existence or calls it out as not real then they will receive a feather from the last player to get one and will be unable to post, aside from voting.

I have yet to send a feather.

I guess from here ok

[Krazy Katz]

So we lynch bte to avoid arson scenario as the only slot that has targeted basically everyone?

[Krazy Katz]

That or chk who claimed no night actions I guess

Still bte makes more sense

[Krazy Katz]

Yeah 1 scum + 1 arson probably explains gamestate note

[Krazy Katz]

OH SHIT IT'S L-1 in confirmed mylo and I didn't HAMMER

SHIT I MUST BE CONFIRMED TOWNNNNNNNNNNN

*spanks Auro*

[Krazy Katz]

If BTE's claim is true:
We lynch RCE today
V&M passes fruit to Krazy tonight
Chk claimed fruit right? keeps it
Krazy and Chk both vote BTE tomorrow and the rest then hammer.

why would you send the item from a less clear slot to a more clear slot

also scum dumps their item on their kill

And if bte is town why did he not claim this in mass yesterday?

[Krazy Katz]

I'm really concerned that this snapped from bte when bte just said he lied about his role in massclaim for no clear protown reason

VOTE: bte

[Krazy Katz]

What are you implying this does?

Anyone not of my alignment that has a fruit (the first to vote if more than 1) will die in my place.

Lynching bte softly gives us mech clear on nancy today and a theoretical weak clear on chk (assuming chk hasn't dumped) which would make the game fully auto

That chk does *not* want to lynch bte after that claim is very alarming since it should solve the game and ic him...

[Krazy Katz]

I'm really concerned that this snapped from bte when bte just said he lied about his role in massclaim for no clear protown reason

VOTE: bte

I didn’t lie about my role. I just didn't give all the info.

In massclaim, claiming your role and leaving out information is a lie

[Krazy Katz]

1) we don't know he activates in thread, that is just something he claimed to do right now
2) he is doing a bunch of random stuff when he was on the block to be lynched so it's absolutely 3p
3) you just spent all of yesterday arguing this is lylo and bte is still the only slot that would explain such a gamestate
4) even if he's town lynching him wins the game from his own admission

[Krazy Katz]

Cool so if bte isn't lying again then he auto wins the game for town by being lynched since rce, chk, and nancy all claim to have fruit

why the fuck would you argue against either a) autowin or b) lynching an obvious liar?

[Krazy Katz]

Chk why do yu throw a tantrum every time I observe you just aren't the towniest slot and have a fucking weird rolestate

Nomnom had you basically as her top fos when she died and while the living town likes you, most of your play this game has been starting a pointless and toxic 1v1 with nancy and then bitching about the game for 3 days.

Yes, I am entitled to want to solve your slot. Get over yourself

[Krazy Katz]

Lol are you for real

Get the fuck out

[Krazy Katz]

What is even going on lol

I still don't even know why anyone is dead

[Krazy Katz]

Of course chk was scum

And auro too lol

[Krazy Katz]

what even mechanic caused endgame though?

[Krazy Katz]

But no one was lynched?

[Krazy Katz]

so it's a bastard game with 6 scum in 17 players

When was rce lynched?

[Krazy Katz]

I mean this a game where people just stop signing up for boon games lol

why bother with 6 scum in 17 and a mod confirmed scum mason

That's not even bastard, that's just unwinnable

[Krazy Katz]

This wasn't even advertised as bastard

[Krazy Katz]

6 non town in 17 players is still 6 non town in 17 players

Especially since scum wins with 3rs parties, this wincon is 11-6

[Krazy Katz]

Auro was obscum being shielded by a bastard scum mason

[Krazy Katz]

If all the scum win with third parties, it's not multiball folks

[Krazy Katz]

Auro just had to die.

Yeah, that’s on me for the bastard thing. In my head because I have all the info in game it wasn’t, but I believe I have exactly what was advertised in the Boon UPick department.

Mid game alignment changes was not advertised in any way shape or form

[Krazy Katz]

Auro was obscum being shielded by a bastard scum mason

Heyo, you said "this spews Auro town" to like 3 different things throughout the game and only had me in an edge case.
I did the paranoia stuff mostly cause I thought you'd suspect me if I hadn't throughout the game!

Us scum thought you were traitor. I thought you were the Demon I was supposed to ally with lol.

Yeah which I recanted when I talked to conspire

Also what am I supposed to do when modconfirmed mason is shielding you and I literally never get a claim

[Krazy Katz]

I sign up for bastard games

I do not sign up for 11-6 bastard games that aren't listed as bastard

[Krazy Katz]

I think we're gonna have to stop allowing mid game hydra head adds tbh

[Krazy Katz]

I dunno this is like a really good case study in why I keep leaving this site lol

[Krazy Katz]

Yeah but that's just why you keep getting blakclisted

[Krazy Katz]

Ah, not learning anything. Don't know what I expected there.

I would blacklist you from my future games and invite nancy, to be clear. If I wasn't done with this site for a good long while. You are definitely the one who needs to learn

[Krazy Katz]

So saying people are "worst of all time" and "bad town" while calling your friend "wrong town" is completely acceptable?

Good talk.

Compared to your play this game, emphatically yes

[Krazy Katz]

Ok continue to complain about people not listening as someone tells you you're toxic that literally has no skin in the game

[Krazy Katz]

i dont see anything chk did blacklist worthy fwiw and don't understand what his alignment has to do with anything

This postgame right now is blacklist worthy

[Krazy Katz]

Me. I have blacklisted you.

[Krazy Katz]

I don't care, stop being a child in post

[Krazy Katz]

Playing to win shouldn't be contingent on you arguing you're not having fun or that you didn't understand moderator communication. You were trying to angle-shoot yourself as town for half the game, and when people engaged you on it you got toxic and condescending. In post game you decided to restart your fight with nancy. Nothing I have seen from you this game would make me want to play with you again. Done with this conversation, bye.

[Krazy Katz]

Do note that Chk wasn't groupscum; he was basically a nerfed SK for most of the game.

Nancy gives a shit about his alignment, I do not. His play was unacceptable regardless of alignment. That his attitude this game was plausible for town-him only reflects how unacceptable his townplay is generally. I am not blacklisting him exclusively because of this game but as aggregate of every game I've seen from him.

[Krazy Katz]

This is easily the stupidest and least satisfying game since overkill 2 and the scum saying they would not have felt like this game would have been a waste of time if they'd been town feels really fake tbh.

I should probably step back though because boon already knows this is the second time a game has been unexpectedly bastard and that there's no way I would touch one of his games again

Ftr I do sign up for and enjoy bastard games so long as I have a ballpark understanding of whether the game is 'real' or not

[Krazy Katz]

Town had dave's role and that was literally it

How was that stacked? Because it had a full bastard masonry and a million things none of which were explained, could be explained, or could be inferred?

Town had jack shit

My role wasn't even supersaint, I was just a miller if you read it
We had a bastard virus that actively confused roles against rolecard
We had a bastard masonry
We had a doc that had to go half the game before he could do anything
We had a universal sticky fruit vendor

And we had rce who could have gotten a guilty I guess but chose not to?

And dave

I'm sorry but there was *way* more obnoxious bastard elements than there was town power in an 11-6 ratio

[Krazy Katz]

I was very satisfied with Overkill 2.

Yeah but I think you really need to stop trying to remake it with the design philosophy of "give scum the entire setup and then watch town die"

Like this setup needed actual town power.

You can even do the scum mason IF
You confirm alignment changes are possible
You give town ANY active power

Like realize that overkill 2 was a fucking stupid game for me personally who has to try to play one scum role having all the power in the game

And having scum win with third party in that game was as fucking stupid there as it is here

If scum is winning with third party then you can't be balancing it as though third parties are not all traitors because that's what you had here

Seriously dude you can do what you want but don't expect town to ever give a shit or try if you're going to pull this shit over and over again

[Krazy Katz]

To be fair, I think it’s been established I’m very anti mech clears in general.

That doesn't mean you give town nothing

Town needed like three vigs if you're going to have 6 scum

This was like hyperstacked with the bastard mason in such a way that even if I didn't dislike this game while playing it it now is like a textbook bad version of bastard

This is like actually bastard, not in a good or fun way, but in the stupid way where you literally feel like it was just a total waste of time and the mod pointed to someone random and said 'ok u win the game because i say so'

[Krazy Katz]

The game actually would have been better if jjh won and we were all endgsmed from an animal crossing wincon

That would have been much less stupid than what actually was in this game

[Krazy Katz]

Actually game would have been salvagable if conspire got modkilled for the oog communication even if it was obviously accidental, although I don't think anyone feels better about the game after in that scenario either

[Krazy Katz]

And last year, I literally won Game of the Year?

I've already said my feelings about the setup, but I want to say that this argument is why I think scummies should be discontinued. It's supposed to be a feel good event, not a weapon you can use to stave off criticism

[Krazy Katz]

so everything was a lie, no mech action could ever in any circumstance be plausibly inferred, and the game was functionally unwinnable for a town with a one desperate cop and a flavor specific cop and a shitton of wifom against 6 scum that have the shielding of a mod confirmed mason claim

K now that we've cleared that all up this setup is awful and I regret giving it any amount of time whatsoever.

Literally the worst type of bastard
The virus does 3 things not on the card and nothing on the card
The sticky fruit does a lot more than what is on the card
The mason can have alignment changed blah blah shit I already said

No one has any clue what any of the items do because every item does things that they don't say they do and the other items have nothing explained to anyone

Upick does not mean "literally so bastard you should ignore all the mech and play mountainous" which is what this game was

I don't know what you want boom, this is just a terrible setup. I have no constructive feedback. I feel like you just wanted to spite town or something. Overkill 2 was at least advertised as stupid multiball nonsense and even then the scum serial killer was still an offensively stupid role that you need to stop using as a model of how to design games. This is like taking every bad example from LNT and then cutting away all the good parts that made it fun so that you're just left with an incredibly dumb game that town only wins by refusing to play in the first place. Looking at everything, and how it all connects, and I can say confidently that this was a total waste of time for town to even attempt.

Ignore me, idgaf, I'm probably not saying anything here that helps you anyway, this just was way way way stupider than what I thought I was signing up for and I had very low expectations

[Krazy Katz]

I guess the caveat here is rce's role. In theory it can fully win the game day 1. Functionally we did have a role that could act as a recharging day disloyal cop unless there was some restriction on it I missed. I don't think rce's role being able to immediately win the game for town makes the game better as a whole but I feel like there should have been slots he could have claimed mech innos on I think?

[Krazy Katz]

As I might have said, outing the mason partner could have been necessary due to george's role removing people from the masonry. That would explain the oddness of the flip.

[Krazy Katz]

I knew it was possible but I thought it wouldn't actually happen since boon did not advertise the game as bastard and I thought he wanted people to play in future games he mods. If you are lynching masons in a game that was not cult or bastard, because you think the mod is a troll pushing some bad inside joke, then you are not playing the game of mafia. I would have replaced out over actually pushing conspire, particularly after hectic ogi'd receiving royal fruit the night of the no kill.

[Krazy Katz]

And to be clear, I speculated about it. I did not 'figure it out' because of anything in the game, I 'figured it out' from knowing mason claims with boon is an inside joke. Rebuttal: this was not an invitational and no one could be reasonably expected to actually have that thought if they didn't see boon mason claims as a joke. I was not going to push conspire by angle shooting mod jokes and it's frankly dumb to defend the bastardness of that role simply because I was willing to mention the stupidest, worst possible explanation

[Krazy Katz]

If rce had used his role optimally the game is broken day 1, which as I said, makes the design even worse, not better

George outing scum from pts doesn't win the game and I don't understand how it would work

Actually everyone keeping sticky fruit is why we ended up voting bte off arson paranoia so yeah town could have managed that better but with 6 scum it's hard to coordinate night mech in a black box game

Leashing the playerlist to send fruit to one slot doesn't help if there's no way to account for who was lying

The thing is that the way it was played town loses this game like 70% of the time and if rce played his role town wins like 90% of the time and neither of those are good %s for a game that both sides walk away thinking the game was good. If we ended day 1 with 3 innos and a redflip off an unlimited daycop scum would be screaming bloody murder.

The setup was just indefensibly bad, sorry. I know you put work into the game but that just makes it even stupider for me

[Krazy Katz]

I feel like I have to be misunderstanding rce's role because I almost just don't believe boon would design a role that bad where town could straight coalition victory day 1 or get a day 1 red peek, that's like the definition of anti-fun for scum. It is fantastic for sorcerers since it can false clear them but that just makes the role even more stacked against groupscum

[Krazy Katz]

Actually everyone keeping sticky fruit is why we ended up voting bte off arson paranoia so yeah town could have managed that better but with 6 scum it's hard to coordinate night mech in a black box game

The bigger danger is not people keeping sticky fruit, but scum just cycle-passing it to each other and avoiding all hard guilties.
Sticky Fruit is something scum *should not* have.

Even if you don't do the half / one in three thing, simply make suspicious slots give up their Sticky Fruit to non-susp slots in a one:one fashion

Actually that just keeps dave alive but still gets the guilty if you think about it, and he wss the only night invest

[Krazy Katz]

Not guilty, but no ducky reception would confirm either a roleblock or ascetic usually which might at least be enough to force a roleclaim

[Krazy Katz]

RCE could only break if you went 1 by 1, and at best, it would only catch 1 scum. Which was part of it, and relies on you trusting RCE slot as town, and they’d have to do it prior.

Also, if scum said it IN their private thread, it would still flip RCE.

It can get one guilty, yes, but it can get 10 real innos and 3 innos on 3rd parties. At that point it would be correct to just lynch rce and then nuke his poe. The counter-play is something scum also could not anticipate since there's no way to know how his role worked.

Even with the ducky being passable it's still just a clear per night on d4+ since town almost always loses the first to sticky fruit.

so town had one horrendously broken role that I guess was supposed to make up for numbers and the player with the broken role didn't use it

It's fair to blame town for mismanaging mech but the setup is still just... Not fun. None of that sounds fun for either side to me. If rce used his role well and got lucky on town then he completely nukes groupscum day 1. If he mismanages his role then town has 0 counterplay for unwarned culted masons.

In theory tse/mech/rce should have averaged like 3 townclears and then hit a scum around then which still would be very nearly gamebreaking unless it all was on 3ps

[Krazy Katz]

How is it not capable of producing real innos? You ask one person to say the line, wait for a vote count, ask another person to say the line

I mean as mod you can stop doing vote counts but that would increase the bastardry a lot

And you can say scum could say it in their pt but how do they know they can do that without access to his card?

[Krazy Katz]

Ok... So town had one actual invest then if they were warned about rce's role in spoiler mod thread and thus town had dave and dave alone for power?

Ok

[Krazy Katz]

It would confirm the mod has checked if the pr is fulfilled

[Krazy Katz]

8 cops that statistically never get a guilty (should usually get 1.5 innos, the titus guilty was actually an incredible edgecase), a royal fruit vendor that can do nothing until night 3, and the supersaints were conditional so there was only one

I'll reread KA's role

[Krazy Katz]

Maybe KA had power but the role is so confusing that it probably hurts most games as much as it helps with the sticky fruit scum can toss to each other

[Krazy Katz]

Titus gives macho and scum had no power? I don't even know how I got the macho mod tbh, but it seems to have bypassed sticky fruit. Giving scum quasi strongman is the exact opposite of scum having no power

[Krazy Katz]

Again. Handsy mod was not on her flipped card.

This was the stupid part of lnt too. You can't claim that the cult was the main issue or the only thing that makes this extreme bastard. Every time it's "oh there was an explanation" but that explanation is not on the scum rolecard *even after they flip*. Just like fruit linking people not on bte card. so no one ever knows any part of anything

In lnt I could solve by figuring out who fed ss jail shots and was annoyed because profii's card did not reveal all the mech associated with his role. It's like you took that feedback and were like.... Okay let's reveal fuck all on cards and make this a flipless large theme game. At least with a janitor you know the card is incomplete. Here you're just omitting essential information for... No reason

anyway this convo is pointless, sorry this result pissed me off so much, it's weird that I feel almost nothing to scum here. They played fine. Town made some mistakes. Setup was bad, you don't agree, nothing was learned, the end

[Krazy Katz]

Boon you know I can't stay mad at you. If we weren't in the middle of a pandemic I'd ask if you wanted to get some pizza

I think I was slightly more tilted about this game than it should have been. I still think it was a bad setup and I think you should change several things about how you handle flips, how you convey information to the game, and how you advertise games going forward. But you're still going to be Boon no matter how many times you piss me off sadly

I wish I could have been more constructive, I can kinda see what you were going for on a macro scale but I think some of the core ideas you were exploring here I've found just do not work well on this site (multiple 3rd parties that win with scum among them, I think that was an issue I had in Starcraft 1 and I've made sure the numbers and town power reflect the impact on thread dynamic that numbers like that inflict). If there's anything I've learned modding wise over the last year, it's that most of the time experiments with multiball just don't work for like... a lot of people playing the game

[Krazy Katz]

I've definitely disagreed with some normal booney game design decisions although usually in the 'ehh that setup seemed unusually hard for one faction' although definitely never to this extent