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Post Post #675 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:31 pm

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Up to date as of post .

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() by Ircher: Except for official moderator communication (e.g.: reminder pms, cards, etc.), private communication is not allowed. Additional exceptions may be made in future proposals as needed.
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() by logan5123: Every player starts with 20 thousand (20,000) Life. It may be increased or decreased by other rules. Life does not count as "points" for the purposes of 393. A player cannot win while they have less than 1 Life. While a player has 0 Life or less, they gain a thousand (1,000) Life every time they would gain coins. [I know what I'm doing with this, trust me.]
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() by logan5123: Players may exchange 1 reputation for a thousand (1,000) Life, but not vice versa. This is done automatically if any given player has more than 0 reputation and 0 or less Life.
This proposal automatically fails if 424 fails.

Yea - , , (Reservations)
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Not Voting - Jake the Wolfie
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() by Jake the Wolfie: Amend 421 to be the following: Players may not make any kind of proposal that target specifically named players. Attempting to do so will cause the player to lose 5 reputation. [This includes actual proposals, motions, and contracts as of now.]
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Post Post #676 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:46 pm

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To quote:
"421: Players may not make proposals that target specifically named players. Attempting to do so will cause the player to lose 5 reputation."

I could make a Motion right now that targets Logan to be instantly eliminated, as it's not a Proposal.
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Post Post #677 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:51 pm

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Yes, but adding the explanation in brackets doesn't change the legality of that action.
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Post Post #678 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:19 pm

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VOTE: Nay 431
Contracts would be dumb if they couldn't be restricted to certain players.
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Post Post #679 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:49 pm

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Ircher, are you saying that Motion Proposals can't target players?
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Post Post #680 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:07 pm

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No, I'm saying adding stuff in brackets [like this] doesn't hold legal weight.
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Post Post #681 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:32 pm

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VOTE: Nay 431

Proposal 432: Vote timers become frozen when there are fewer than five active players.
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Post Post #682 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:34 pm

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Actually, let me modify that a tad for clarity:

Amended roposal 432: Vote timers become frozen when there are fewer than five active players and reactivate from the point at which they were frozen when there are again five or more active players.
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Post Post #683 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:59 pm

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In post 680, Ircher wrote:No, I'm saying adding stuff in brackets [like this] doesn't hold legal weight.
I know that.
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Post Post #684 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:53 pm

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VOTE: ABSTAIN 432
VOTE: NAY with reservations 431
So I would YEA this but contracts are kinda based around targeting specific people so no
VOTE: UNVOTE 425 VOTE: YEA 425
VOTE: UNVOTE 424 VOTE: YEA 424
If I'm correct about the wording of 413 this passes 424 and 425 but I might be wrong.
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Post Post #685 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:39 am

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VOTE: Yea 432
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Post Post #686 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:21 am

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VOTE: Nay 432
It sounds good in principle, but that's the sort of thing that's hard to keep track of.

Proposal 433: Players shall not use voting tricks to bypass rule 413. Examples include unvoting and then revoting, voting Abstain and then revoting, and voting the opposite of what you did originally and then revoting the original. Players shall not be found in violation of this rule if 48 hours or more pass between the two actions. Players guilty of breaching this rule are penalized 5 reputation, and their vote change is not recorded (meaning the proposal won't pass or fail). This rule only applies in cases where rule 413 applies, and the player in question must initially be voting for/against the proposal.

Let's close that loophole. I think this is specific enough to close the loophole while not penalizing legitimate vote changes.
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Post Post #687 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:30 am

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VOTE: Yea 433
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Post Post #688 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:22 am

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Proposal 434:
If a play can get away with anything for up to 7 days, they can escape punishment. The following is a list of exceptions where punishment can still be given: Alternate Accounting.

I mean, if you can get by for 7 entire days without anyone noticing, then you've really escaped the law.
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Post Post #689 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:05 am

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VOTE: Nay 434
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Post Post #690 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:13 am

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Allo, explain why wou wouldn't want this. If you get away with something after 7 days, when people have had plenty of time to catch up and catch you, you should be able to get away with it.
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Post Post #691 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:25 am

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VOTE: Nay 419
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Post Post #692 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:29 am

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Because it creates a culture of people trying to evade the rules. It encourages manipulating people so they don't see your rule-breaking, knowing you only have to do it for a week to get away with it.
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Post Post #693 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:56 am

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It also creates a culture of people trying harder to enforce the rules. It encourages finding who is manipulation and finding what crimes they did.
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Post Post #694 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:16 am

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wait if you have to close it that means that it works right
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Post Post #695 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:19 am

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VOTE: Nay 434

Allomancer said it well.
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Post Post #696 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:22 am

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Proposal 435: Rule 202 is hereby amended to read as follows: "An inactive player is any player who has not posted, made or voted on a proposal, or exercised any special power granted thereto for a total of 72 hours. Except for posting, the 72 hours shall not start prior to the passage of this rule."
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Post Post #697 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:30 am

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VOTE: YEA 435

VOTE: NAY 434
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Post Post #698 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:37 am

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Since most actions require posting, I don't see how that changes things. The only exception is my duties as moderator, but I could just post if needed.
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Post Post #699 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:39 am

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...Good point.

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