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I think it's bullshit.
However, I would like to know how we gain immunity, because nothing in my role PM explained that bit. I didn't know if I should direct the question publicly to the mod in the thread or not, so I asked via PM. <<<@mod: I hope this is ok to post?The rules on this site have changed so much since I last played regularly, I have no idea whats kosher anymore.Art is cool.-
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then vote me? You always think I'm scum.In post 18, Nero Cain wrote:
thankfully no.In post 14, Miss Lane wrote:Nero, are you related to Eddie Came in any way?
Also kinda think ETL is scum.
Mod declined to provide an answer..In post 11, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I think it's bullshit.
However, I would like to know how we gain immunity, because nothing in my role PM explained that bit. I didn't know if I should direct the question publicly to the mod in the thread or not, so I asked via PM. <<<@mod: I hope this is ok to post?The rules on this site have changed so much since I last played regularly, I have no idea whats kosher anymore.Art is cool.-
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.... because, as I stated, I asked via PM.In post 27, Miss Lane wrote:The following post does not:- Specifically ask how to become immune for town. It does not even bold such an inquiry as a question to the mod, or really even pose it as a question at all
The game literally JUST started, and as soon as I received a response, I posted what I learned.- Inform the town of any new information ETL has gained from such inquiry in private
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VOTE: Miss Lynch
#realvote
I get being jumpy and excited for a game, but the posts don't come off that way AT ALL. Instead they seem like forcing conclusions in order to push someone for anything at all, rather than actually trying to find scum.
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No. It's not. There's a difference between genuinely believing something is scummy and shoe-horning a case from nothing.Vecna wrote:This type of trying hard is the good type of trying hard though
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Then vote meVecna wrote:because all the points they make are quite good, and such public displays of "townyness" are often faked
Nero cain especially with his reservation afterwards due to setup weirdness
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I didn't say I had no response. I said the mod declined to provide an answer. At the time I posted the question, I hadn't gotten a reply yet.In post 40, Miss Lane wrote:Why tell everyone you asked the question at all if you had no response?
.... I'm not sure you're qualified to make this judgement, considering I know my alignment, I know I'm town, therefore in my eyes, this statement is blatantly false and makes me think you are either a) scum making shit up on purpose in order to create a case out of thin air or b) just a bad town player.In post 40, Miss Lane wrote:There is no part of this statement that comes from an optimal town mindset.
It's not actually "OMGUS-y bullshit" and saying so is a really thinly veiled attempt to discredit my original argument, which is that you are forcing nonsense into a bad case in order to backup your original vote that had nothing until I continued to post. Real town cases aren't built that way. You collect the evidence FIRST, and THEN you build the case, not the other way around.In post 40, Miss Lane wrote:OMGUS-y bullshit do you legitimately think is town?Art is cool.-
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Yes actually. I've missed mafia. And whether we end up continuing to cross-vote because you're not making any sense, or you show me that you're being genuine about this nonsense, either way, this is good info.In post 41, Miss Lane wrote:ETL seems to be enjoying itArt is cool.-
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Like, I'm willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, but it has to be with a well-communicated idea, and so far I keep seeing buzzwords and flimsy accusations about "not having a town mindset" which you can't possibly know given the posts up to this point, and "OMGUS-y" bullshit instead of legitimately refuting what I've said, which I've given you the respect of doing in response to your points.Art is cool.-
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Because the goddamn rules say don't ask questions about a myriad of things??? I even explained why I phrased it that specific way...In post 44, Miss Lane wrote:
It is specificallyIn post 36, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Come on yall. I'm so scummy for asking a legit question? This is what mafia is all about. Bring it on, and then in a few days we can watch the actual scum fumble around for an explanation about it.notasking the question that is scummy. This is not even close to an accurate representation of my stance on you, and the fourth post you've made this game that reeks of dishonesty.Art is cool.-
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"reeks of dishonesty"In post 44, Miss Lane wrote:This is not even close to an accurate representation of my stance on you, and the fourth post you've made this game that reeks of dishonesty.
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what the fuck are you even talking about... I never said any of that. I guess what I should have said was who the fuck are you to tell me what is optimal town play?In post 52, Miss Lane wrote:If you think that you "knowing" you are town makes any mindset other than yours fail to be the optimal town mind set, you make the argument that you are optimal town and the optimal town approach is taken by you. I can go very much into why this is not the case, particularly because I highly doubt any player on site manages to maintain an optimal town mindset throughout the entirety of any game or even manages to maintain such stubborn insistence that their approach is optimal and anyone claiming otherwise must be scum.Art is cool.-
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Seems like oblivious town, has a newbie vibe, I'd even guess English may not be first language. Non-zero chance of being inexperienced scum but at the moment I'm gonna risk guessing that most if not all of the people who have posted thus far are probably town.In post 54, Nero Cain wrote:talk to me about Vecna, ETL.Art is cool.-
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I love this post. 1 because Nero is specifically seeking out responses from other people about a slot he's suspicious about, and 2 because whether intended or not, I was started to get heated and this pulled me away for a moment. Scum don't do that. Even scum who know me don't do that. They let me continue to get aggravated and noise-dump in the thread.In post 54, Nero Cain wrote:talk to me about Vecna, ETL.Art is cool.-
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fuck off i'm done with this convo.In post 59, Miss Lane wrote:You seem to be confused as to which one of us is making more sense here. I highly recommend checking your surroundings.Art is cool.-
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It's probably been at least 3 or 4 years since I was playing consistently, but I've played at least 2 or 3 games a year since, on and off, all Newbies.In post 62, farside22 wrote:How long has it been since you played EtL? Have you seen scum push something strong from the jump? Or even the likelyhood of the lynch happening right from the start?
yes. I have.
I know. That doesn't mean I don't get angry when someone pushes bullshit and then insults me to try to make it happen. To me, it's utter nonsense and a distraction from real scum hunting. Furthermore, the arrogance is a pet peeve of mine. It may have been a few years since I was very active here but I know my worth as a town player, and I don't expect everyone to recognize that but I also really hate when people just come out of nowhere and start insulting my ability to play as town. I'm not doing that. I'm not sitting here saying "Miss Lynch is a shitty player." I'm allowed to be mad about it.Art is cool.-
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In post 65, Vecna wrote:little oneLMFAO
*sigh* I think i need to take a break already lol.. I promised myself I would remain calm.Art is cool.-
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In post 65, Vecna wrote:little oneLMFAO
*sigh* I think i need to take a break already lol.. I promised myself I would remain calm.Art is cool.-
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???? This isn't about you....????In post 70, Miss Lane wrote:Why am I not surprised that you again try to discredit me as a player and a person instead of responding legitimately to anything I've said yet?
English is, in fact, my first language, and I'm not failing to understand a word you're saying. I'm not the one who continually fails to respond in good faith. I have been on site playing mafia since 2014. I have more than three pages of games on at least two of my accounts. I have four publicly revealed accounts that I switch between on a regular basis. I am currently running a mafia game of my own. I have not been mislynched in years except for one game where a certain newer player failed to check to see whether or not the most recent vote count had put me at L-1 and no one claimed L-1 in the thread. I am in no way a "newbie."Art is cool.-
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That looks like he's asking me about Vecna. Not Miss Lynch.In post 57, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Seems like oblivious town, has a newbie vibe, I'd even guess English may not be first language. Non-zero chance of being inexperienced scum but at the moment I'm gonna risk guessing that most if not all of the people who have posted thus far are probably town.
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LITERALLY ALREADY DONE THAT, NOT GONNA REPEAT MYSELF. LEAVE ME ALONE AND TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE.In post 81, Miss Lane wrote:efute them and respond to themArt is cool.-
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Nero I'm sheeping you D1. I don't know wtf is wrong with me, but apparently I can't fucking function as calm human being.In post 84, Nero Cain wrote:This is my 6th game with Vecna. He read me as scum in our first 4 games. I was town in all of them. So I dunno if Vecna is really going to be able to town read me here. Its like how Pirate Mollie (if anyone remembers her) would always scum read me as town and town read me as scum.
Farside asking me about my read on ETL but not asking ML also felt a lil' odd.
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It wasn't meant as an insult at all. Nero asked what I thought and I gave my impression based on the posts in the thread at that time. Your first few posts were difficult to understand, the sentences didn't seem complete, which is why I considered the language difference as a possible reason. Your observations appeared to be surface level, thus the newbie call. I see your join date is 2016 now, but I didn't at the time. *shrug*In post 86, Vecna wrote:I get semi-insultedArt is cool.-
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I am willing to consider that MLactually believeswhat she's been posting. However I do believe if ML is town the conclusions she's made about my posts are very poor, and I probably won't be putting much stock in other reads of hers. I honestly don't know if the bad case makes her scum,l considering she thinks so highly of her own abilities, so shouldn't the case actually have merit? Because to me it doesn't. To me it's garbage, fabricated, blown-up bullshit. To me, it's very simple. I asked a question to the mod via PM because I wasn't sure I was allowed to post it in the thread, but I wanted to be transparent so I mentioned that I did, and posted the response when I got it. And suddenly, that's a case about how I'm "not playing with an optimal town mindset". That's fucking bullshit to me. Who the fuck is this random ass person to tell me how to play "optimally"? GTFOH.Art is cool.-
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But I'm a scarier town player.In post 106, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
I've said it.In post 105, Nero Cain wrote:I'm a scary scum player? said no one everArt is cool.-
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ML. LEAVE ME. THE FUCK. ALONE. you've voted me, you've made your shitty case. i'm not going to continue interacting with you today.
Only 8 people besides myself have even posted.
vecna - actually, idk. has been actively commenting on game-state stuff. i agree with nero about the "sitting back and watching the mayhem", similar to farside, but..
nero - town b/c he could have easily just let me go on being loud but he didn't. he engaged me otherwise.
ml - bad case means scum to me, but meh probably town with bad read.
farside - seems scummy b/c fence-sitty.
alch - null
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auro - seems scummy b/c contentless posts. FIVE contentless posts.
elements - null
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How am I being arrogant? By stating that I think your case ON ME is bad? It IS bad. Because it's flat out wrong, and I've already countered your points, and you keep making the same points regardless.In post 113, Miss Lane wrote:You're ridiculously arrogant and claim to hate people who are such.
You accuse me of discrediting you when I have yet to do so and you have yet to do otherwise.
I didn't say you were a shitty player. I said your case was shitty and you have a bad read on me, BECAUSE IT'S WRONG. I've explained my posts as simply as I can. You keep pushing.You claim to not call me a shitty player when that is all your most recent post has been dedicated towards.
wtf are you even talking about? Go ahead, make your case about how i'm scum to other people. I'm not stopping you. I would just like a fucking break from talking to you directly, is that such a hard concept to grasp? Is that really such a big ask??? One fucking day? I'm not even asking for a game day, just one goddamn real day, talk to other people, scum hunt, do something other than repeat your bad case ABOUT ME, TO ME.You tell me to leave you alone and talk to other players, and then all you continue to do is talk about me to other players. You seem to want the discussion to end, but only on my side of the discussion.
You're trying to help ME understand MY OWN POSTS...??? Excuse me? I understand perfectly well WHAT I POSTED. What I don't understand is how you made the leaps you did because from my POV they are ridiculous.You continue to misrepresent me despite my never ending attempts to help you understand
Not once have I attacked you as a person. Not. Fucking. Once. And no, you DON'T understand because if YOU DID, you'd see how off you are.and then accuse me of not understanding you yet when I try all you do is discredit me as a person.
I'm allowed to ask someone to leave me alone. Is it not clear that you continuing to push the same points that I've repeatedly responded to and countered could POSSIBLY aggravate someone? "clean mafia". It's all clean. The word "fuck" doesn't constitute "dirty mafia". I've not attacked you personally at all.You've told me to fuck off, get the fuck out of here, among other things, and all I've done is attempt to play clean mafia.
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Explain what is wrong with that???
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Seemed like you were hesitant to take a side.In post 116, farside22 wrote:Fnece-sitty? Yes I know what that means, but no clue where you are drawing the conclusion from.
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omg....In post 125, Miss Lane wrote:"How am I being arrogant?"In post 107, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
But I'm a scarier town player.In post 106, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
I've said it.In post 105, Nero Cain wrote:I'm a scary scum player? said no one ever
besides the fact that it's true and pretty much everyone in this list who knows me knows it's true, how the hell is that arrogant? I'm not saying i'm better than you or anyone else.. I'm not saying I'm the best damn player... I'm stating a fact, and furthermore IT WAS A LIGHT-HEARTED JOKE JFC.Art is cool.-
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No I want to talk to other people. I'm done with ML. I won't engage further.In post 128, farside22 wrote:Take a step back from the computer, stop the argument.Art is cool.-
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You asked me to explain what I meant..... What am I missing?In post 128, farside22 wrote:
Okkkkk???In post 123, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
Seemed like you were hesitant to take a side.In post 116, farside22 wrote:Fnece-sitty? Yes I know what that means, but no clue where you are drawing the conclusion from.
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I took a break from full-time mafia for this very reason. I get emotional. It can sometimes be detrimental to the game. It is a personal flaw of mine that I recognize and have been trying to fix. It's fucking hard and I'm sorry. That's why I asked multiple times to be left alone for a little bit. She persisted. It's over.In post 135, Nero Cain wrote:in this past ETL gets super angry and ad hommy as both alignments. She seems relatively tame here but then again I've been skimming her and Miss Lynch for a while now.
I think it would be difficult to see both of us as town from an outside POV, considering we are directly opposing each other. I think one would naturally feel one argument has more merit than the other. Yet you instantly come to the conclusion that both of us are town, and there's nothing more to say about it. That may be the actual case in the end but it felt premature. I also don't know that she actually thinks she caught a scumtell. I think she wanted to think she caught a scumtell, fell into the trap of trying to back it up after the fact and is now frustrated because I responded poorly.farside22 wrote:
I have no clue how you get hesitant to take a side when I said I see you both as town.In post 133, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
You asked me to explain what I meant..... What am I missing?In post 128, farside22 wrote:
Okkkkk???In post 123, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
Seemed like you were hesitant to take a side.In post 116, farside22 wrote:Fnece-sitty? Yes I know what that means, but no clue where you are drawing the conclusion from.
Please explain for the class.
I was talking about how ML's post can come across to players. I think her intentions were that she reallly thought she caught a scum tell.
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No. She's probably town.In post 161, Tchill13 wrote:ETL do you think ML as scum would be willing to grab the spot light and tunnel you on a semi absurd reason? do you consider that good scum play this early?
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Make it 8 now!In post 111, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:auro - seems scummy b/c contentless posts. FIVE contentless posts.
@Miss Lynch: I watched Community years ago, it's one of my FAVORITE shows! Sadly it's not on Netflix in India right now for another rewatch.Art is cool.-
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Nevermind, missed this post in the page flip. Why did it take you so long? Can you expand on your townreads on literally everyone who posted more than twice?In post 174, Auro wrote:Townreads on farside, EspeciallyTheLies, Miss Lynch, Vecna.
Alchemist you wanna try and explain what feels off in Vecna's tone? I find certain elements almost exactly matching his play in the last game I've seen him town in, like somewhat exaggerated reasoning to townread someone early.
This wasn't the approach I thought I would see people would take in the game though, considering it's basically a bastard cult game.Art is cool.-
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Nevermind, missed this post in the page flip. Why did it take you so long? Can you expand on your townreads on literally everyone who posted more than twice?In post 174, Auro wrote:Townreads on farside, EspeciallyTheLies, Miss Lynch, Vecna.
Alchemist you wanna try and explain what feels off in Vecna's tone? I find certain elements almost exactly matching his play in the last game I've seen him town in, like somewhat exaggerated reasoning to townread someone early.
This wasn't the approach I thought I would see people would take in the game though, considering it's basically a bastard cult game.Art is cool.-
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hmmmk. thanks.In post 180, Auro wrote:Because I'm actually binging on a bunch of TV shows, don't want to expend much mental energy right now?
Sure: I've played with Miss Lynch before, skimmed her scum meta, and I believe this level of early conviction and emotion in a push is town indicative.
EspeciallyALiar for involvement, progressing the game, and pushing me when I was "buddying up" to the slot.
Vecna because he's my mason buddy.
farside for involvement, progressing the game, and familiar meta from a recent game.
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I was interested in Auro because he had said absolutely nothing of an import. I wanted to get more from him. I did.In post 198, Tchill13 wrote:that didnt last long.
I find it odd you immediately vote the guy I was shading then back off after a pretty quick resolution when you've already showed you can play with some real conviction.
pretty easy to come out from your suspicion it seems ETL.
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apparently my other post got eaten by tigers...In post 214, Tchill13 wrote:I just found it odd that i vote you, i shade someone, you vote said shade then you move on relatively quick.
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I'm sure it will happen again. for what it's worth, my intention was not to insult anyone or hurt anyone's feelings.In post 214, Tchill13 wrote:Its a little weird that nobody really pushed you after the fiasco
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townreading you that hard? is that par for the course for vecna?In post 224, Nero Cain wrote:in fairness, I don't think its a "slip" I think he's just saying that he's town reading me now.Art is cool.-
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I don't think you did anything wrong, nor were you an asshole. You have nothing to apologize for. It was my own bad reaction, I take responsibility.In post 237, Miss Lane wrote:I do. Thanks. I'm sorry for being an asshole myself. I hope you ... feel similarly about me.
As far as the gamestate, I think you're probably town. I felt that your case was incorrect based on my own perspective. I understand you may see things differently. I was trying to determine your motivations for pushing me so hard on what I felt was nothing. I will do better at phrasing my thoughts going forward.Art is cool.-
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This is a cop-out.
I wanna vote this. But.. wagons are tasty and produce delicious fruit.Art is cool.-
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ohhhhhhhhhhh that may explain the header variance. thanksIn post 249, Covid 19 wrote:In post 235, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:@mod: What are the numbers next to people's names in the VC - they aren't the post in which the vote occurred like I thought they might be.It depends on what kind of VC you are looking on. If it is the ones I'm generating using MathBlade's tool, the number is the number of posts that user has made in the thread. Otherwise, the number is indeed the post number. (You can tell it's a one I've done by hand if you can only click on the post number rather than the username.)Art is cool.-
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How do you feel about the game at this point?In post 251, Elements wrote:
Everyone ends up wanting to vote me day one, there will be a wagon at some point.In post 245, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:This is a cop-out.
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dude what..In post 258, Vecna wrote:1 of the three scum
Nero. Seriously. I'm starting to wonder if he's legit trying to make itlooklike a scum slip or if it's actually a scumslip.Art is cool.-
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