Mini Normal 2139: No Flavor Allowed - Game Over

[Persivul]

VOTE: persivul
I handsome. I'm stalking you.

VOTE: farside - for hottest babe on the site

[Persivul]

VOTE: persivul
scumlord

Cakez, are you the person I had an epic mylo 1v1 with? I can't remember for sure.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Persivul

Happy to bookend this day.

Fastest L-2 in history maybe?

[Persivul]

VOTE: Hoctac

I hate that shit.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Hoctac

I hate that shit.

What shit do you hate exactly?

Goofing around about claims.

[Persivul]

And you think that's alignment-indicative, and a person who goofs around about claims on page 1 is more likely to be scum?

No, but I think it's anti-town and I'd PL it D1 no problem. Just can't get other people on board. LAL is dead.

[Persivul]

Persivul is narrow-minded. SCUM is narrow-minded.

I know as scum I LOVE it when someone's pulling that shit. It's really easy to manipulate in later game.

[Persivul]

I cant say im a fan of his thought process on hotoc and i dont recall how he felt about that in the past.
I do remember it was a peeve of some plays in the past when player fake claim shit.

I have a long history of being against fake claiming.

[Persivul]

My Persivul read is airtight. He jokingly hand-waived a wagon on him - bad sign.

Oh do tell, what's the town way to respond to a page 1 L-2 wagon?

[Persivul]

He tried not to look serious about a RVS wagon on him and then suddenly turned serious on me.

OK, explain what I was supposed to do between not taking a RVS wagon seriously, and then posting seriously? What kind of transition do you require there from town?

[Persivul]

Okay, I changed my mind.

VOTE: Hoctac

Oversensitive newb scum at its finest.

He doesn't have any newbies, so more likely an experienced player hiding behind an alt.

[Persivul]

I played Mafia once before.

Why didn't you play newbie games here?

[Persivul]

This is the second opportunity since I've joined the site for a D1 lynch. Make it happen people! (I will not be posting for the rest of page one, in order to support the cause.)

Why do you want a page 1 lynch?

[Persivul]

VOTE: LuckyLuciano

I didn't like the way he hopped onto the wagon (though I couldn't really put my finger on why not), and I don't like this last post.

This is a decent post for that stage of the game.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Umlaut

I dunno about the Persivul wagon, but this is scum regardless.

Why? Umlaut looks town at that point to me.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Umlaut
scum

Why?

[Persivul]

Another observation: the purpose of your post did not seem to clarify a misunderstanding, but to reverse the positions to make an attack. This is a classic scum mentality and you probably know that.

Didn't clarify a misunderstanding? He linked to a game you were both in, in which he was goofing around early, thus refuting your point. He ALSO made an attack, but there's nothing wrong with attacking someone who just made a false charge.

Not liking clidd.

[Persivul]

I have literally mirrored my opening to a game we both played in, where I was town, nearly post-by-post. You are scumreading me for doing literally the same thing you have seen me do before, as town. I was going to label this move, "calling out a player making up a reason to attack me that they know to be false". I supposed I will take you input into consideration, as "Advanced OMGUS" rolls off the tongue slightly better.

You're copying your town game so scum-reading you is scum?

That's a misrep. Mirrored doesn't necessarily imply conscious intent.

[Persivul]

Post 36 has you frustrated that copying your town game still has someone see you as scummy. What that Town Game is doesn't matter to me. Post 36 does, though.

Doubling down on the misrep.

[Persivul]

UNVOTE: LuckyLuciano

Why?

[Persivul]

That's unequivocally the worst interpretation of my interaction with Clidd possible. Scum-reading me for being comic in my opening, when he's seen me be comic in my opening before, is scummy.

@Clidd, Why did you unvote me?

@Zulfy, it's not frustration.

I copied my town game for a reason.

That reason will be revealed later in the game. At that point you will see clear town motivation for it. If you want to argue that it's scum motivated at that point, go for it. The only thing I'm frustrated about is your clear inability to think critically.

Forget the last couple of posts, apparently zulfy's interpretation was right.

Lucky, if you're town, why did you need to copy your town game for a reason? Wouldn't your normal play necessarily be your town game?

[Persivul]

LuckyLu if you're taking a break I'd say you're P irritated.

And? I get frustrated both as town and scum.

[Persivul]

Zulfy is making sense.
VOTE: LuckyLuciano

Clidd's content is good so far, leaning town there.

Yucky post.

[Persivul]

Farside, do you see any features that catch your eye in Persival's scum/town game or does he always play to the same standard ?

I play differently each game, according to my mood and the playerlist. Farside is a good player, but she's not particularly good at reading me. She's overly paranoid and scum reads me at the drop of a hat.

[Persivul]

Hum, I don't think I used bad reasoning to arrive at the inference I used to observe Luciano's attitude. Regarding his reaction, I think there may be an external factor that is damaging his mood about being suspected, which may have caused frustration and temporary detachment from the topic. But, of course, I do not rule out the possibility that he may be scum, but evaluating what we saw in isolation, I believe that we need more resolutive engagement from him with the game before we try to distinguish if, in fact, there was a malicious intention during the period in which he defended himself.

WTF when did mafia become law school?

[Persivul]

Well, it would be more interesting with recent games, but I appreciate the help. I'll take a look at his meta when I have more time available.

Most of my recent meta is under Rabid Schnauzer. I only switched back to Persivul when farside came back.

[Persivul]

Er, was going to say: I'm not sure I buy this case but I buy it as coming from town.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing about that post.

[Persivul]

So beside Hotoc do you have any scum reads thus far?

First, hotoc is a null read. Like I said, I'd PL him because even if he's town, he's going to be negative utility. Same as you saying you'd vig him.

People I'm suspicious of:

Ragman, as you are. In fact:
VOTE: Ragman

valon - says he's quarantined and bored, but then doesn't post.

One other person who I don't want to name/give reasons because they could easily change their play based on that. I want to give it some more time to see if it changes without prompting. Ask me again in two calendar days.

[Persivul]

Sell me on Ragman.

Why are you asking this?

[Persivul]

Heard my name.

Yeah, that's called the Betelgeuse scum tell now.

You guys are absolutely going at breakneck speeds here. I know the newb card will get me more flak, but I've been reading every post so far, trying to follow along. I mean, about 50% of the argument is linked to your prior game(s), which once again, I CAN'T CONTRIBUTE IN.

1. You can ask questions.

2. I didn't participate in the lucky/clidd game, but I read it and formed an opinion. They even linked to it.

[Persivul]

My feelings on Ragman are meh at best and I wanted to see if there was anything behind farside's read there. I don't have a solid place for my vote right now and I'm hoping to fix that.
You could also sell me on Ragman.

I don't like this response. I was hoping you'd say it was more about reading farside than rag. ragman has a 4-post ISO. There's no need for someone to piece bits together and sell it.

[Persivul]

farside and Persivul claiming vig shots this early is very anti-town or just scum.

Troll.

[Persivul]

I'm going to refrain from feeling a little sick that persivul just followed my vote.
*deep breath*

You're really fucking full of yourself sometimes.

[Persivul]

13. SirCakez - comes in and out of the conversation a couple of times, never posting anything relevant to the conversation.

I take offense to this

I thought it was pretty accurate.

[Persivul]

L-1. This is where someone already on the wagon is supposed to fake hammer.

[Persivul]

Or it could be where you offer a read, or a question, or any kind of thought about the game at all?

What's with the shade? Most of my posts are substantive, and I have more posts than you.

[Persivul]

It's okay there's always next game. I can't tell you how many times in live games I've had to be told I can't choose to kill my teammates and then give away the whole team in a pursuant argument about the value of life.

But, getting back to the actual game and a real discussion of why the reads list is the worst thing to ever happen to mafiascum, the list of names in a random order is the easiest thing for Scum to fake, especially when they give no reasoning at all. I hate them and it's a vote for me.

Read lists suck 2020! #RocktheVote

They're very useful if town actually uses them, i.e. hold the person accountable for changes in their reads list - why did they change?

They're also useful when a scum who's made them flips, as scum tend not to put their partners very high or very low on the list.

[Persivul]

Here's how the site has gone in the five years I've been here:

Reads lists suck. We don't need to make them.
Lynch All Liars is outdated. I like making fakeclaims as town because I'm oh so clever I'll out the scum that way.
Holy shit, town win rates are way down! We need to tilt the setups in favor of town!

[Persivul]

Pers, it's nice of you to join us again, care to put any info INTO the game's characters? And not how we should be playing?

Not right now, no. Plenty of content is going up and it's a two-week phase. I don't need to post at the moment. I'm admittedly prodging to an extent.

[Persivul]

That read list is terrible. Zulfy is barely around and you have a town read.

Pers is barely around

and a town read.

Where are people getting this? I'm the third highest poster, and most of them are on topic.

What do you think of 216?

[Persivul]

Not right now, no. Plenty of content is going up and it's a two-week phase. I don't need to post at the moment. I'm admittedly prodging to an extent.

I actually have the opposite feel to this, I feel like the conversation is TOO one sided. We have a whole half of a village that we haven't heard from a while. It's too easy for scum to pop in and out amongst all this chatter.

Do you know how to view activity and sort by number of posts?

[Persivul]

Your posts are 1-2 sentences long and most of them are "on topic" in the loose sense that they're about the game but don't really do anything to solve it. And you came back from not having posted for a while to make another one-sentence inconsequential comment. Do more.

Fuck you. You don't know me very well. I don't take well to orders.

[Persivul]

Man, this Bosch impression is spot on.

Bosch never walks anywhere...he swaggers there.

I tweeted that and Titus Welliver liked it.

[Persivul]

Fuck you. You don't know me very well. I don't take well to orders.

See, that's three sentences! Already an improvement, now you just need the "being useful" part.

Er...FUCK YOU again.

Mod already warned me on language, so I'm going to be booted, but frankly I don't want to be in a game where sniveling little shits can make snide remarks like that, but I can't call them out for it with strong language.

I'm a novice PR so I didn't want to play TOO obvtown and take the N1 kill, and I got nervous when hoctac made that post showing how townie I had been and so I backed off.

Happy now dipshit?

[Persivul]

Okay, I have probably skimmed like 20 posts.

I have good feelings about Percivul.

Yeah I'm fucking obvtown this game.

[Persivul]

Try and stay in the game and we will turn this thing around.

I'm not asking to leave, but I'd be surprised if mod doesn't boot me. I swore in bold like 20 minutes after he sent me a warning. I just can't stand this crap where people can be rude and condescending as long as they don't say fuck you or the like. It's a mafia game, IMO I don't think there's anything wrong with a stray fuck you, but it's not my game. Mod is god.

[Persivul]

Hard disagree.

With whom?

[Persivul]

How dare players ask you to make more then surface level post?? Thats not rude.

Asking isn't. Ordering is. "Do more" isn't a request, it's an order. I don't do orders.

[Persivul]

farside ignores my substantive question, but keeps commenting on my conduct.

[Persivul]

Shouldn't we wagon Zulfy ? He's hardcore lurking and he did the same thing in our past game, which he was scum.

This is bad. You're not voting currently. Just vote him. Why are you asking permission to start a wagon?

[Persivul]

I think Persivul and Quick are speaking in another language, to be honest. I can't understand how the reasoning of both slots works

Tell me what you don't understand about 512.

[Persivul]

I find it very hard to buy a scum read based on Zulfy just not being here. I'm not expect all of you to drop your entire lives for this game.

That's what was expected of me...