Mini Normal 2139: No Flavor Allowed - Game Over

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #16

Umlaut (0):
clidd (1): Umlaut (566)
Hoctac (0):
Zulfy (1): Quick (569)
Ame (0):
Looker (3): Ame (172), Reundo (190), LuckyLuciano (358)[/b]
valoneast (0):
brassherald (0):
LuckyLuciano (1): Zulfy (38)
farside22 (0):

Quick (5) (L-2): Hoctac (135), SirCakez (292), Looker (405), farside22 (411), brassherald (413)

SirCakez (0):
Not Voting (3): valoneast (274), clidd (381)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch a player.

This phase will end on May 19, 2020 1:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2020-05-19 13:00:00).

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3.

Please note the prod timers. You will be prodded after 32 hours on Tuesday-Friday.

4. Ame replaces Persivul.
5. Looker replaces Ragman Saul Rima.

[Looker]

UNVOTE:

reading

[Quick]

Okay, flip me. Then you can read all my posts for associations. How does that sound?

This sounds large warning bells for me. The way we play, the Matyr defense is scum! or newb!. Usually only because in RL you're not given as much time to come as something on the spot. But reading his posts up to this point, I find it hard to imagine this being newb!Quick.

That pocket though.

[Umlaut]

No one is going to join me on Hactoc so I will go somewhere else.

This seems spicy enough I guess...

VOTE: Zulfy

It's not a terrible vote, but it's unlikely to get any reaction from Zulfy unless he suddenly starts posting again. How about a vote on someone who will actually see it?

pedit

Who is being pocketed?

[Quick]

No one is going to join me on Hactoc so I will go somewhere else.

This seems spicy enough I guess...

VOTE: Zulfy

It's not a terrible vote, but it's unlikely to get any reaction from Zulfy unless he suddenly starts posting again. How about a vote on someone who will actually see it?

pedit

Who is being pocketed?

Not me, that's for sure.

[SirCakez]

TRs on Valon, Lucky, farside (she doesn't push me here as scum I think), Hoctac (I think his lack of caring about people's reads on his playstyle is town), Ame/Persivul
Nullish on Looker/Ragman, Reundo (these people don't have enough content or I'm unable to read what they have)
Scumlean on Zulfy, Umlaut
SRs on Quick/Klick, maybe brassherald/Atarashi dependent on meta

Don't like Umlaut's Persivul push. He's attacking Pers for things that are NAI.
I hate the composition of the Ragman wagon.
Quick's entrance not helping my read on the slot.
Persivul is rude but probably a town slot from his final reactions before getting the boot.
My Zulfy read is sinking the longer he goes without posting.
Will definitely be keeping a close eye on Ame after Hungarian 2

[Quick]

Quick's entrance not helping my read on the slot.

Can I ask why? I would really like to know why.

[Quick]

And I noticed you didn't say I am hurting my Pred's cased. Mind fleshing that out a bit?

[Umlaut]

Don't like Umlaut's Persivul push. He's attacking Pers for things that are NAI.

This would make sense if I was saying he was scum for those things, but I wasn't saying that and I didn't/don't think he was.

Quick's entrance not helping my read on the slot.

Meaning it's not helping you to form a read, or that it's not making you think it's town?

(I have Quick as a reasonably solid townread atm)

[Umlaut]

Had Reundo as probtown earlier but I agree with SirCakez that's slipping due to the low activity. Would like to see a lot more from him

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

Umlaut already trying to derail the quickly growing wagon on his scum buddy.

Page 1 solve: Persivul + Umlaut

Can we kill this? Plz I'm just a kid.

Okay, I have probably skimmed like 20 posts.

I have good feelings about Percivul.

You have strange feelings then, but nevermind.

Klick's exit here is probably emotional, so I think he's town.

But they have no wagon?

Hurry, I want to interact!

He claimed doctor, are you doctor ?

WTF...

In any case... I like my vote, can we get a wagon there?

Or is this going to be a game I am completely misunderstood?

Posts like these read pretty fake
And I made it clear I SRed your predecessor

[SirCakez]

Don't like Umlaut's Persivul push. He's attacking Pers for things that are NAI.

This would make sense if I was saying he was scum for those things, but I wasn't saying that and I didn't/don't think he was.

Clarify?

Quick's entrance not helping my read on the slot.

Meaning it's not helping you to form a read, or that it's not making you think it's town?

(I have Quick as a reasonably solid townread atm)

Not helping me think the slot is town

[Hoctac]

Would you look at who it is. Heads up for everyone else:

Ame relishes in playing scum, so she only replaces into slots she hard scumreads after ISOing them in the replacement queue. Just some food for thought.

I had a dream that you, in the form of your evil Mario avatar, and I had a battle to the death. It was quite gruesome...

I wonder why that was...

Also, I just got warned by the moderator for making that post. Apparently, he doesn't want me sheeping your past self to lynch you. I hope you're happy.

[Quick]

Spoiler:

Umlaut already trying to derail the quickly growing wagon on his scum buddy.

Page 1 solve: Persivul + Umlaut

Can we kill this? Plz I'm just a kid.

Okay, I have probably skimmed like 20 posts.

I have good feelings about Percivul.

You have strange feelings then, but nevermind.

Klick's exit here is probably emotional, so I think he's town.

But they have no wagon?

Hurry, I want to interact!

He claimed doctor, are you doctor ?

WTF...

In any case... I like my vote, can we get a wagon there?

Or is this going to be a game I am completely misunderstood?

Posts like these read pretty fake
And I made it clear I SRed your predecessor

"Read pretty fake"

Mind unpacking that a bit? Can you do it or not? Otherwise I am not quite sure how to defend myself from your case.

[Umlaut]

Clarify?

I was criticizing Persivul because after having not posted for over a day, he came back to a wagon at L-1 and quite a bit of activity and all he had to say was

L-1. This is where someone already on the wagon is supposed to fake hammer.

which is completely non-game-advancing. That was really bad play on his part and so I told him, in kind of a snarky manner, that he should actually participate in sorting. When he started arguing the point I did keep poking at him in hopes of getting a better read from it, but I was never trying to accuse him of being scum.

[farside22]

Seeking a replacement for Ragman Saul Rima.

And there gies my 3rd scum read.
Yup taking it personal. Totally lurking my next game.

Don't like Umlaut's Persivul push. He's attacking Pers for things that are NAI.

This would make sense if I was saying he was scum for those things, but I wasn't saying that and I didn't/don't think he was.

Quick's entrance not helping my read on the slot.

Meaning it's not helping you to form a read, or that it's not making you think it's town?

(I have Quick as a reasonably solid townread atm)

Why a town read?

He just reinforced my scum read. He basically voted on lynch bait material and a player that is mia. Calls pers town and said nothing that says hey im scum hunting

[Quick]

And Cakes, maybe you should answer my questions?

[Quick]

Seeking a replacement for Ragman Saul Rima.

And there gies my 3rd scum read.
Yup taking it personal. Totally lurking my next game.

Don't like Umlaut's Persivul push. He's attacking Pers for things that are NAI.

This would make sense if I was saying he was scum for those things, but I wasn't saying that and I didn't/don't think he was.

Quick's entrance not helping my read on the slot.

Meaning it's not helping you to form a read, or that it's not making you think it's town?

(I have Quick as a reasonably solid townread atm)

Why a town read?

He just reinforced my scum read. He basically voted on lynch bait material and a player that is mia. Calls pers town and said nothing that says hey im scum hunting

Okay, but you are Town for the same reason.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

Umlaut already trying to derail the quickly growing wagon on his scum buddy.

Page 1 solve: Persivul + Umlaut

Can we kill this? Plz I'm just a kid.

Okay, I have probably skimmed like 20 posts.

I have good feelings about Percivul.

You have strange feelings then, but nevermind.

Klick's exit here is probably emotional, so I think he's town.

But they have no wagon?

Hurry, I want to interact!

He claimed doctor, are you doctor ?

WTF...

In any case... I like my vote, can we get a wagon there?

Or is this going to be a game I am completely misunderstood?

Posts like these read pretty fake
And I made it clear I SRed your predecessor

"Read pretty fake"

Mind unpacking that a bit? Can you do it or not? Otherwise I am not quite sure how to defend myself from your case.

It's a tone read. Like you're trying to post things that say "I am town here scumhunting" but it doesn't feel natural.
I don't know if you can really defend against that.

Clarify?

I was criticizing Persivul because after having not posted for over a day, he came back to a wagon at L-1 and quite a bit of activity and all he had to say was

L-1. This is where someone already on the wagon is supposed to fake hammer.

which is completely non-game-advancing. That was really bad play on his part and so I told him, in kind of a snarky manner, that he should actually participate in sorting. When he started arguing the point I did keep poking at him in hopes of getting a better read from it, but I was never trying to accuse him of being scum.

Are you familiar with Persivul's play at all?

And Cakes, maybe you should answer my questions?

What questions?

[Umlaut]

Why a town read [on Quick]?

He just reinforced my scum read. He basically voted on lynch bait material and a player that is mia. Calls pers town and said nothing that says hey im scum hunting

I mean, I agree Pers/Ame is town so.

I just like his posts so far. I didn't really think Klick was scum in the first place, and while I don't exactly want to lynch Hoctac right this second I think it's a legitimate slot to be suspicious of. The rapid-fire-post catchup looks like legitimate reading in and not like someone who's hyperconscious of how they look.

[Quick]

Spoiler:

Umlaut already trying to derail the quickly growing wagon on his scum buddy.

Page 1 solve: Persivul + Umlaut

Can we kill this? Plz I'm just a kid.

Okay, I have probably skimmed like 20 posts.

I have good feelings about Percivul.

You have strange feelings then, but nevermind.

Klick's exit here is probably emotional, so I think he's town.

But they have no wagon?

Hurry, I want to interact!

He claimed doctor, are you doctor ?

WTF...

In any case... I like my vote, can we get a wagon there?

Or is this going to be a game I am completely misunderstood?

Posts like these read pretty fake
And I made it clear I SRed your predecessor

"Read pretty fake"

Mind unpacking that a bit? Can you do it or not? Otherwise I am not quite sure how to defend myself from your case.

It's a tone read. Like you're trying to post things that say "I am town here scumhunting" but it doesn't feel natural.
I don't know if you can really defend against that.

Clarify?

I was criticizing Persivul because after having not posted for over a day, he came back to a wagon at L-1 and quite a bit of activity and all he had to say was

L-1. This is where someone already on the wagon is supposed to fake hammer.

which is completely non-game-advancing. That was really bad play on his part and so I told him, in kind of a snarky manner, that he should actually participate in sorting. When he started arguing the point I did keep poking at him in hopes of getting a better read from it, but I was never trying to accuse him of being scum.

Are you familiar with Persivul's play at all?

And Cakes, maybe you should answer my questions?

What questions?

The ones where people ask you to unpack your thought process so we don't have to just got on "vibes".

[Umlaut]

Are you familiar with Persivul's play at all?

Like, a little? He was in my first non-newbie game on the site where he was mislynched day one. I feel like I may remember being in another game with him but it was probably around when I siteflaked, so I didn't really pay attention to his play there. So I don't have a lot of meta to go on.

[Umlaut]

I don't understand how my being familiar with his play or not is relevant to whether posting pointless quips and no reads is bad play.

[SirCakez]

Quick - can you point these out? I answer questions whenever I see them but I didn't notice any on my catch-up.
Umlaut - Persivul's posting style is like how he was playing this game. What you're SRing for I'm not sure is actually scummy coming from him.

[Umlaut]

Umlaut - Persivul's posting style is like how he was playing this game. What you're SRing for I'm not sure is actually scummy coming from him.

But I'm not SRing for it? I feel like I've been really clear about that.