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Post Post #675 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:06 am

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In post 569, Quick wrote:No one is going to join me on Hactoc so I will go somewhere else.

This seems spicy enough I guess...

VOTE: Zulfy
I was really inclined to agree, but upon reflection I decided that it is not so interesting as I thought.
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Post Post #676 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:07 am

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In post 673, Looker wrote:
In post 466, Quick wrote:VOTE: Hoctac

for ~reasons~
In post 569, Quick wrote:No one is going to join me on Hactoc so I will go somewhere else.

This seems spicy enough I guess...

VOTE: Zulfy
What were your "~reasons~"? Also, if you're informed that there's scum in the neighborhood, why would you back down when there's resistance to your target?
The first rule of fight club is you do not talk about fight club.

1. Atarashi sub informed me they didn't want to vote there when I asked them, "Do you have any good reasons not to vote there?" before he disappeared.
2. One Scum AT LEAST in the Neighborhood so I thought I would pick someone else from there that I could see as Scum.

Then Atarashi slot disappears. Then Hactoc makes the worst post of the game if they are Town and an even worse posts if they are Scum and the rest is history.
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Post Post #677 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:11 am

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In post 580, SirCakez wrote:TRs on Valon, Lucky, farside (she doesn't push me here as scum I think), Hoctac (I think his lack of caring about people's reads on his playstyle is town), Ame/Persivul
Nullish on Looker/Ragman, Reundo (these people don't have enough content or I'm unable to read what they have)
Scumlean on Zulfy, Umlaut
SRs on Quick/Klick, maybe brassherald/Atarashi dependent on meta

Don't like Umlaut's Persivul push. He's attacking Pers for things that are NAI.
I hate the composition of the Ragman wagon.
Quick's entrance not helping my read on the slot.
Persivul is rude but probably a town slot from his final reactions before getting the boot.
My Zulfy read is sinking the longer he goes without posting.
Will definitely be keeping a close eye on Ame after Hungarian 2 :nerd: :nerd: :nerd:
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Post Post #678 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:12 am

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In post 677, clidd wrote:
In post 580, SirCakez wrote:TRs on Valon, Lucky, farside (she doesn't push me here as scum I think), Hoctac (I think his lack of caring about people's reads on his playstyle is town), Ame/Persivul
Nullish on Looker/Ragman, Reundo (these people don't have enough content or I'm unable to read what they have)
Scumlean on Zulfy, Umlaut
SRs on Quick/Klick, maybe brassherald/Atarashi dependent on meta

Don't like Umlaut's Persivul push. He's attacking Pers for things that are NAI.
I hate the composition of the Ragman wagon.
Quick's entrance not helping my read on the slot.
Persivul is rude but probably a town slot from his final reactions before getting the boot.
My Zulfy read is sinking the longer he goes without posting.
Will definitely be keeping a close eye on Ame after Hungarian 2 :nerd: :nerd: :nerd:
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Post Post #679 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:20 am

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In post 568, Umlaut wrote:
In post 563, brassherald wrote:I linked the newbie game we played, this is full meta read. He is playing very similarly here as he did there. I don't fully believe someone so new to the forum could emulate the same tone while trying to hide being scum.
I think a big part of what presents as Clidd's "tone" is really just translation effects. But at any rate I think this argument is fallacious if you're going solely by his tone in a town game without having a scum game to compare.
Although I recently did not see myself considering Umlaut as a valid opinion slot, I feel that no comment from him is part of a malicious mentality. He is likely to remain in the green zone.
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Post Post #680 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:21 am

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In post 678, Quick wrote:
In post 677, clidd wrote:
In post 580, SirCakez wrote:TRs on Valon, Lucky, farside (she doesn't push me here as scum I think), Hoctac (I think his lack of caring about people's reads on his playstyle is town), Ame/Persivul
Nullish on Looker/Ragman, Reundo (these people don't have enough content or I'm unable to read what they have)
Scumlean on Zulfy, Umlaut
SRs on Quick/Klick, maybe brassherald/Atarashi dependent on meta

Don't like Umlaut's Persivul push. He's attacking Pers for things that are NAI.
I hate the composition of the Ragman wagon.
Quick's entrance not helping my read on the slot.
Persivul is rude but probably a town slot from his final reactions before getting the boot.
My Zulfy read is sinking the longer he goes without posting.
Will definitely be keeping a close eye on Ame after Hungarian 2 :nerd: :nerd: :nerd:
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Post Post #681 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:22 am

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Tryna get a feel for the game-state but maybe I just have to read the whole thing. Any chance someone can tell me the big stuff?

You can't put someone on ignore in a mafia game even if they're on your foe list.
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Post Post #682 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:23 am

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In post 574, Ircher wrote:
Looker replaces Ragman Saul Rima.

The OP will be out of date for a while as I'm not updating right now.
"Looker", I think we played together at some point, I just don't remember exactly where.
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Post Post #683 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:23 am

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Day 1 VC #19

Umlaut (0):
clidd (1): Umlaut ()
Hoctac (2): brassherald (), Looker ()
Zulfy (1): Quick ()
Ame (0):
Looker (2): Reundo (), LuckyLuciano ()
valoneast (0):
brassherald (2): farside22 (), Ame ()
LuckyLuciano (1): Zulfy ()
farside22 (0):
Quick (2): Hoctac (), SirCakez ()
SirCakez (0):
Not Voting (2): valoneast (), clidd ()

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Post Post #684 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:23 am

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In post 680, clidd wrote:
In post 678, Quick wrote:
In post 677, clidd wrote:
In post 580, SirCakez wrote:TRs on Valon, Lucky, farside (she doesn't push me here as scum I think), Hoctac (I think his lack of caring about people's reads on his playstyle is town), Ame/Persivul
Nullish on Looker/Ragman, Reundo (these people don't have enough content or I'm unable to read what they have)
Scumlean on Zulfy, Umlaut
SRs on Quick/Klick, maybe brassherald/Atarashi dependent on meta

Don't like Umlaut's Persivul push. He's attacking Pers for things that are NAI.
I hate the composition of the Ragman wagon.
Quick's entrance not helping my read on the slot.
Persivul is rude but probably a town slot from his final reactions before getting the boot.
My Zulfy read is sinking the longer he goes without posting.
Will definitely be keeping a close eye on Ame after Hungarian 2 :nerd: :nerd: :nerd:
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lol, for real ?
It was a joke.

Guess what? I'm not mad and I know you're not either.

I guess that means you should probably not write walls about me I am not going to read.

P-Edit: I am voting for you because someone in your neighborhood didn't want to to vote for Hactoc.

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Post Post #685 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:24 am

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In post 681, Zulfy wrote:Tryna get a feel for the game-state but maybe I just have to read the whole thing. Any chance someone can tell me the big stuff?

You can't put someone on ignore in a mafia game even if they're on your foe list.
I can do a summary for you, I'm reading now.
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Post Post #686 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:29 am

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In post 684, Quick wrote: It was a joke.

Guess what? I'm not mad and I know you're not either.

I guess that means you should probably not write walls about me I am not going to read.

P-Edit: I am voting for you because someone in your neighborhood didn't want to to vote for Hactoc.

GLHF
We are *ok*, I guess. My wall was about your predecessor, as it helped me to remember my progression on Klick when I recapitulated the information I had written down. I don't really appreciate your playstyle, but that doesn't matter, if we are in the same alignment we need to collaborate eventually.
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Post Post #687 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:30 am

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And yes, that means making small posts to facilitate our social interaction.
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Post Post #688 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:36 am

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Spoiler:
In post 600, Hoctac wrote:I have BIG news. I hope you're listening closely, because I'm about to crack this game WIDE open. They're gonna be talking about this post for mafia generations to come. This will probably get me that mOmEnT oF bRiLlIaNcE award for 2020. I'm not kidding btw. Read and take this post seriously.

So, it all started when I was making my scumcase for Klick/Quick (sometimes referred to as Kluick).

I came across his first post:
In post 21, Klick wrote:VOTE: Umlaut

I dunno about the Persivul wagon, but this is scum regardless.
A "strong" entrance, but an unnatural level of overconfidence. Remember how he has no scumreads later in the day, and claims his bottom two reads are "neutral"? Exhibiting a strong scumread such as this one does NOT fit the playstyle of a player who apparently townhunts and doesn't have many scumreads. As explained by him in for example.

Let's move on to the his second post:
In post 59, Klick wrote:Zulfy is making sense.
VOTE: LuckyLuciano

Clidd's content is good so far, leaning town there.
He has already moved on from his Umlaut scumread, and is now sheeping a player without explanation. Now, on its own, this isn't too bad, but what you need to understand is that this is NOT a natural progression from his previous post and expressed level on confidence to this one. Spotting inconsistencies in thought processes is one of the BEST ways of finding scum, and is the number 1 scumtell I use.

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Okay, let's take a break here.
So, I could go through all his posts and continue explaining why he's scum. Sure, I could do that. It'd be very easy.
OR, I could skip ahead to the post that absolutely 100% incriminates Qlick as scum. This is gonna be great. I hope you're ready.

THIS IS IT:
In post 150, Klick wrote:VOTE: valoneast
Atarashi/Hoctac: tell me why I shouldn't vote here.
This beauty right here. I'd like to thank farside for asking me to make the scumcase, as I likely otherwise would have missed this.

In this post, Klick is asking Atarashi and Hoctac (that's me!!!) about our opinions on valoneast, and why we shouldn't vote there. On it's own this post is strange, why ask us out of everyone? I don't see any reason prior in thread that he would be asking us two specifically.
Well, here's the thing: Atarashi, valoneast, and I are in a
neighbourhood
together. Klick is NOT in this neighbourhood. He is asking us because he knows we may have an opinion of valoneast formed from discussion in the hood, but has NO reason to be aware of this fact. Zulfy is also in this hood.
What this means is that Qlick is scum with one of Zulfy, Atarashi, or valoneast, and subconsioulsy let slip that he was aware of this info. The only other explanation is that he's an Informed Townie, that was for some reason aware of the hood, but is that even Normal? Probably not.

EVERYONE vote for Kluick today. This will clear me as town, and confirm one of Atarashi/valoneast/Zulfy as scum. This game is basically over already.


I need to read this later with more attention, as it goes strongly against the read I have on the slot.
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Post Post #689 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:39 am

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In post 610, Quick wrote:INFORMED TOWNIE
I'm a bit of a layman in mechanical matters, but is your skill similar to what it says on the wiki ?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Informed
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Post Post #690 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:41 am

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In post 689, clidd wrote:
In post 610, Quick wrote:INFORMED TOWNIE
I'm a bit of a layman in mechanical matters, but is your skill similar to what it says on the wiki ?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Informed
I would assume so since that is what my role PM says.
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Post Post #691 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:43 am

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I have a surprise for NP.
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Post Post #692 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:44 am

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In post 615, Umlaut wrote:Yeah, the thing I was going to wait on Quick's response for was that Informed Townie with knowledge of a neighborhood is as far as I can tell totally Normal.

If Quick were scum there is a possibility he would be unsure about that and not want to make that claim, which would make life harder for him. Since he did make that claim I suppose that didn't work, but I can see the post Hoctac calls out as more likely as a crumb than a slip.
Umlaut is improving on observations.
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Post Post #693 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:46 am

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In post 621, Hoctac wrote:Honestly, I wasn't expecting scum!Quick to go down this route either. I thought he'd try to brush it off as a coincidence. I still think he's scum though, there's reasons outside of the potential knowledge slip which make both him and Klick scummy.

Why have I "ruined the game", Quick? What have we lost?
I need to read Hoctac's theory first to build the mental scenarios and see if I agree with his posts.
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Post Post #694 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:48 am

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Spoiler:
In post 622, farside22 wrote:
In post 592, Quick wrote:
In post 590, farside22 wrote:
In post 567, Ircher wrote:
Seeking a replacement for Ragman Saul Rima.
And there gies my 3rd scum read.
Yup taking it personal. Totally lurking my next game.
In post 583, Umlaut wrote:
In post 580, SirCakez wrote:Don't like Umlaut's Persivul push. He's attacking Pers for things that are NAI.
This would make sense if I was saying he was scum for those things, but I wasn't saying that and I didn't/don't think he was.
SirCakez wrote:Quick's entrance not helping my read on the slot.
Meaning it's not helping you to form a read, or that it's not making you think it's town?

(I have Quick as a reasonably solid townread atm)
Why a town read?

He just reinforced my scum read. He basically voted on lynch bait material and a player that is mia. Calls pers town and said nothing that says hey im scum hunting
Okay, but you are Town for the same reason.
99% sure I did more then that. But you do you and pretend it is otherwise. Please.

So I figured I would link games from Klick that show he can scum read and things that are different

klick town
klick town
klick scum game

So he actively pushes players more with questions as town. The votes he places is for reads and he has idea's for who he is scum reading why,
Scum game showed a weak reason for scum read then does low content in the scum game.
So saying he can't scum hunt in this game is pretty wrong thought process.

This is me not buying the "claim" from quick either.


Another post that I have to read with attention.
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Post Post #695 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:50 am

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In post 633, farside22 wrote:
In post 629, Hoctac wrote:
In post 627, farside22 wrote:@Hoctac: Who is in your neighborhood?
Atarashi, valonhost, zulfy.
zulfy needs to be here for an proper read on that group.

VOTE: brass

Who else do you scum read beside quick/klick?
I have a BoP on Brass, I still hope he can contribute more.
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Post Post #696 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 11:53 am

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In post 645, brassherald wrote:VOTE: Hoctac

There's at least one of the scum in the neighborhood. I've been trying to engage and literally just pointed out don't out the neighborhood's existence, because we are neighbors, not masons. Talk to me, etc.

I also pointed out that despite his scummy behaviors his first post in the Neighborhood is saying he's got another PR. No prodding, he just comes in with it.

I was trying to work a little bit there to get information, but, at this point only one of them is even engaging me and the other reacted right after I pointed out we weren't confirmed town and should consider it but not lynch a claimed bigger PR day 1 by going ahead and ignoring me.

Also, the only reason he tells everyone in the neighborhood he is a PR in the first post are the old scum or dumb, and this is now scum, not allowed to be dumb.
Forget what I said, he finally moved.
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Post Post #697 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 12:01 pm

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In post 648, Ame wrote:nothing to see here


VOTE: brass
I can't read you, can I ?

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I need to get over this.
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Post Post #698 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 12:02 pm

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That's all, I'm going to take a break. In the meantime I will be reading the marked posts and building my inferences to discuss later.
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Post Post #699 (ISO) » Fri May 08, 2020 12:04 pm

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At the moment my biggest scumreads are brassherald and LuckyLu.
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