On the Flying Scumsman (Abandoned)

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ego

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I will not push you.

I can not and will not promise more.

-Blake

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How spotty can my activity be?

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Basically a prod dodge. I can’t look at a computer any more today. Gonna take a break and play some ff7 and see if my brain unscrambles; I don’t expect to be back Though!

I went through my reads in the neighborhood last night, so I’ll meed to go through them and paraphrase them tomorrow probably.

titus - were you town reading us to such an extent that you would have been fine with us receiving money last night?

John Cena has been transparently town for at least half of the game by this point.

-Blake

BHD - I think you get false positives when a player shows emotion.

In this case, incorrect. I initially scumread his emotion.

-Blake

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I thought we had good odds going into this

Rip

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Fucking hell I talked myself out of lockscumming pops

I'm so mad about that

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Wow I sacrificed myself to save Blake N1 only for her to vig my hydra partner that same night

Sorry

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Taly and I really struggled to find a good vig shot but our protect was easy

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That level of irony is exactly what made this game worth it

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Wow I sacrificed myself to save Blake N1 only for her to vig my hydra partner that same night

Who killed you?

I thought you died saving hectic.

Fark vigged me

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Spoiler:

Taly04/14/2020
Oof is it N1 now?
Alyssa the Lamb 04/14/2020
yup
Taly04/14/2020
Smol got lynched?
Alyssa the Lamb 04/14/2020
yeap
they flipped town
Taly04/14/2020
...
Who to vig and who to doc?
Alyssa the Lamb 04/14/2020
I'd doc the john cena head
tbh
Taly04/14/2020
Mmm I am positive scum is on Smol. Do you think it's early or late wagon?
Alyssa the Lamb 04/14/2020
it's hard to tell since the VCs are pretty sporatic
every wagon is so derpy
smol night is literally the only one that gained traction
did anybody seem particularly convinced about Smol Night from us specifically?
idk I kinda feel like there weren't all that many scum on it...?
Taly04/14/2020
Wait did we literally lynch our PT partner? Lmfao
Alyssa the Lamb 04/14/2020
ye
not like it was being used
Taly04/14/2020
Why
Why does this make so much sense for us to do this
Alyssa the Lamb 04/14/2020
hm?
Taly04/14/2020
LOL straight up lynching a hood partner D1
Alyssa the Lamb 04/14/2020
because we couldn't pocket our hood partner duhhhhhhh
Taly04/14/2020
Hehe
Yeah true
Hmmmm
D1 wagons with mostly town are rough late game VCA
Alyssa the Lamb 04/14/2020
I think it's actually impossible to get good info from it without more flips
shrug
just from a VCA perspective
Taly04/14/2020
Hmm
Alyssa the Lamb 04/14/2020
that won't stop titus from trying lol
Taly04/14/2020
Who to flip next?
Lol no it won't
Alyssa the Lamb 04/14/2020
this will take a while
Taly04/14/2020
Oof
Alyssa the Lamb 04/14/2020
It'll make me a lot of money though
Alyssa the Lamb 04/15/2020
We need to decide today
Idk what deadline is from now
Taly04/15/2020
hmmm
all for doctoring krazy
like
always
which one of us should do it?
and as for the vig, hmm
vigging fark would be nice but that's probably not optimal at this point
is it weird i want to vig a head that's been more active than its counterpart?
do you scumread Searchers at all?
i dont really but hmm
do you have anyone in particular you'd want to vig?
i think we should vig in a hydra we both have trouble reading
Alyssa the Lamb 04/15/2020
I don't scumread them no
Flavortown lmao
Taly04/15/2020
lol vig flavor leaf?
i just want to shoot a hoe
Alyssa the Lamb 04/15/2020
That would be funny
Taly04/15/2020
tbh, since we only shoot a head then the only utility i find atm in vigging someone is to see a player by themselves to help read them
so if there is ANYONE you scumread and would feel better about seeing them alone in the wilderness of hydrae
then thats the optimal target
i have little opinions tbh
the game is pretty young
and nobody is overtly being terrible?
i will say, my instinct is shooting within egospray, fark hydra, spiffybringer or cappy
tbh i want to townread cappy, but im not too clear on his POV this game and you did mention you had reservations with one of their posts.

fark is never too bad of an idea, even in the idea of entertaining we were TvT

spiffy is a question mark i feel like

ego has not provided much of note
idk if a titus shot accomplishes anything
gamma feels town based on his interactions with the game
Alyssa the Lamb 04/15/2020
shit I'm crashing
Taly04/15/2020
have you sent any actions?
Alyssa the Lamb 04/15/2020
if you really want to be a troll
we can shoot gobble
that's a huge troll shot though
nobody's really standing out as a good shot for readability's sake(?)
fire's never a bad shot tbh
junkochan's a good shot
Taly04/15/2020
idk who junkochan is haha
good with shooting fire tbh
Alyssa the Lamb 04/15/2020
I've only ever talked with junkochan in FA's old danganronpa mishmash thing
oh funny story with that
I was the first culprit and I fucking won
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
yeah I'm good with a fire shot
all good with krazy doc?
or any better targets
(I think it's better if I vig and you protect since you have vig money and I don't)
Taly04/15/2020
LOL thats funny
and yeah ill protect

ill protect krazy with my love
and im good with a fire shot
if anything that helps filter spiffy more
and see how he reacts to his other head going bye-bye
tbh, fark isnt too bad but w/e i think we might be biased there
Alyssa the Lamb 04/15/2020
sent

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Then how come hectic didn't die night one?

fark slot protected him

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you always scumread me doggo

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I SAID I WAS STRUGGLING TO FIND A SHOT

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I SAID I WAS STRUGGLING TO FIND A SHOT

"FIRE IS NEVER A BAD SHOT TBH"

WTH IS THIS SHIT THEN!?!?

TOUGH LOVE

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it did exactly what I expected it to

my reads aligned to be a lot better after that slot died

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it did exactly what I expected it to

my reads aligned to be a lot better after that slot died

i hate u

?

I was referring to farkslot

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OH alyssa you had a really awesome post that I was blowing kissed to you for from the scum discord chat. lemme find it hang on.

oh?

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tbf if Titus hadn't flipped scum, I think I never would've approved killing farkmap

that was exactly why I snapped back to the tunnel and pretty much the reason why that slot had to die for me to realign

since my slot functions as an investigative with one scum left, I didn't really want to risk my reads being permanently bad : /

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Disaster Artists is still town.
The Searchers is still town.
Hectic is still town.
Feminist Bloc is still town.

I want to believe that Black Hole Defection, Unapologetically Foxy, and Imperium are still town, but I'm not as certain on that itself.

I know Yang has shifted overall somewhat as well, but we haven't had a proper talk about it yet.

Everybody else is back into the assessment pool. None of my other townreads are strong enough at this point to warrant being out of the lynch pool.

For those keeping track at home, those names are Egospray, Mikoto and Kuroko, NL, Equitable Androids, Flavortown, Despair Night, and Latias and Latios.

-Blake

All scum. It was awesome. Not that you were still thinking we might be town, but you were reassessing on the exact right people. It was great.

this is basically what my strength is

I have a very good intuition, I just struggle a lot with explaining it or figuring out exactly what I'm seeing

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It should've pinged me more that Despair Night was the N2 factional kill rather than say Imperium or Black Hole especially since my townread on Imperium was a "mechanical clear".

this is exactly why I wanted to lockscum pops lol

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btw Tammy, I'm glad we finally got a game together again

I think I majorly squandered the like... 2013-2015 games I played in and it's nice to get some of that back briefly now that I know a bit more about how the game works

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Wow I sacrificed myself to save Blake N1 only for her to vig my hydra partner that same night

Sorry

Ftr, Blake was right to push me for my lack of scumhunting day 1 (it was NAI but a fair push). However, I still stand by there was no real data to VCA off of, and that's part of what gets me going. I started to fabricate some theories but it wasn't enough to overcome my shitty day 1.

Tammy, you and Alyssa are always treats to play with.

wait, I did that?

I was mostly townreading your slot day one, and then eventually I turned on you because your VCA didn't make any sense to me (and tonal things too but eh)

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btw Tammy, I'm glad we finally got a game together again

I think I majorly squandered the like... 2013-2015 games I played in and it's nice to get some of that back briefly now that I know a bit more about how the game works

Yeah, me too! I just wish I were town. I think you're someone I'd have a lot of fun figuring out the game with when we're both town!

Hopefully when I'm more motivated to actually play lol

Day one was a bit more motivated than I usually am because taly has a very infectious excitement, bi

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But I crashed hard once he got really busy and frustrated with another game

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KRAZY I TRUSTED YOU

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I think I would've eventually correctly scumread both remaining scum if I wasn't hardsheeping you on imperium

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What specifically was egotistical? I'm trying to tone that down as much as I can

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To keep it brief, I think #1669 was accurate, regardless of what anyone thinks of Gamma's line of argument.

The more glaring issue for your slot was the wrong M&K read. I think this went wrong in several ways: First, it didn't take into account the growth of Farkran as a player. I had the benefit of not only being scum but also the benefit of being the person whose playstyle he was attempting to steal entire sections of. He went to great lengths to copy my approach that in his view brought me so much success in Undertale. Second, there seemed to be an issue with sample size and high expectations. The latter is one of town's oldest nemeses, a true harbinger of doom, and it didn't sound like he saw that many games of yours in whatever Discord chat you had to begin with.

From my perspective, you basically ignoring my side of the hydra Day 1 was also really convenient. It allowed me significantly more freedom in how I approached the day, knowing that as long as I wasn't blatant I had free rein. This wouldn't suffice alone, but coaching pops on how to respond/generally pushing the rigor of their reads to the limit was the complementary piece that allowed it to work. I don't think this is as easily fixable; in a 34p game you have to choose who to focus on and roll the dice.

oh now I see what the problem was

I said I wasn't comfortable outing the secret alt, he responded saying he figured it out anyways, I thought the engagement was over, and started focusing again on the main stuff I was looking for

I didn't even see the second post he said until now

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From my perspective, you basically ignoring my side of the hydra Day 1 was also really convenient. It allowed me significantly more freedom in how I approached the day, knowing that as long as I wasn't blatant I had free rein. This wouldn't suffice alone, but coaching pops on how to respond/generally pushing the rigor of their reads to the limit was the complementary piece that allowed it to work. I don't think this is as easily fixable; in a 34p game you have to choose who to focus on and roll the dice.

I was probably never going to focus on you unless I was finding pops unreadable

I generally don't focus on logic-oriented players when I don't really know how they play since they're generally easier for me to read indirectly than directly

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It should've pinged me more that Despair Night was the N2 factional kill rather than say Imperium or Black Hole especially since my townread on Imperium was a "mechanical clear".

this is exactly why I wanted to lockscum pops lol

My metaread on that kind of NKA is that it has a low probability of causing scum lynched and has a high probability of people posting in postgame chat that they should have been more paranoid after all. I'm not sure I can see the kill as incorrect. In a sharper meta I could see a world where you shoot a player a more universally scumread player there because it is harder to interpret. I had a correct flavorguess that insomnia was some kind of cop and had no way of knowing how gated he was so the incentive to kill him when he's softcleared and unroleblockable is rather strong

that kill didn't align at all with my view of the game from the scumteam's side, and the first thing I generally do when that happens is to double check my townreads to see if they're still accurate

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sorry for the tunnel, fark

don't quit the game over this please :/

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Sigh... of course it is

Interesting, I guess I should gimmick more often if I want to be killed N1. Btw, my post restrictions were all optional. If I could stick with one for the entire day, the mods would give me some money based on my "performance". They were pretty generous and gave me 100 for day 1 and 50 for day 2.

go for n2 deaths, I find those are more flattering than n1 deaths

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if auro wants to release our discord he can

Taly and I just used DMs