mini 2140: partition (this is over)

[Hoctac]

I townread all of [Adorable, Ame, Cat Scratch Fever, Daenerys and Dragons, Kanna, Morning Tweet, Raya36]

Happy to lynch anyone else.

[Hoctac]

What did you think it was?

[Hoctac]

Is this a hectic alt?

No? Why do people keep saying that

[Hoctac]

I enjoyed that song, Ame. You have successfully pocketed me and I will not be voting for anything which involves you getting lynched in this game.

[Hoctac]

Hoc, I'm glad you enjoyed it! She has a couple of other really good ones too.

I feel like this game is going to be a wine tasting contest!

Also V/LA until Friday

I'm listening to Good News right now!

[Hoctac]

I'm scum with clidd and Albert B. Rampage. We're hard gambiting today. Voting them to see how town react.

VOTE: 2

[Hoctac]

Anyone obsessed with PageTops here? First one's on the house.

[Hoctac]

> We shouldn't lynch group 1. Too risky.
> That's

exactly

why scum would just put all 3 in group 1; we should lynch it.
> What if they knew we would think that and we just lose by lynching it??
> It's fine. If there's 2 or 3 scum in there, it's a positive result.
> It's not even that good if there's 2 scum in here. We enter MyLo the next day.
> They're counting on our paranoi, see? We should definitely lynch it.
> What if it's a 1/1/1 split though? We insta-lose then!
> A 1/1/1 split makes no sense for EV purposes, it's either 0, 2, or 3 in group 1. Therefore, we lynch it.
> But the fact you think that is exactly why they do a 1/1/1 split and then we lose by lynching group 1.
> They anticipated you would be afraid and used the airpeed velocity of an unladen swallow...

(Continued Ad Infinitum)

[Hoctac]

Everyone in group 3 has been sus so far. It's pretty impressive.

[Hoctac]

I don't get it, Doro. If there's 1 member in group 2 and we lynch it, there'll be 2 alive tomorrow.

[Hoctac]

@enomis and @mohab: Do you have the tendency to be lynchbait in other games? Be honest.

[Hoctac]

You absolutely can lynch group 1 if you find enough people from there acting scummy. Why are you ruling the play out completely?

[Hoctac]

Mohab entered saying we shouldn't talk about partitions because what's the point, but then discusses them anyway and emphasises how there can definitely be 3 scum in group 1.

He says it's too "risky" to lynch in group 1 and talks about how we shouldn't do it just because, unless we find "at least 1 scum in there worth lynching" - which is a very easy thing to do in 8 players. He's setting himself up later to vote group 1 while being reasonable and fair about it early.

Also, the self-vote is weird.

[Hoctac]

@enomis and @mohab: Do you have the tendency to be lynchbait in other games? Be honest.

This is addressed to me? How am I being lynchbait this game?

I'm not saying you are. I'm just wondering if you are in other games. There's incentive for scum to dump 3 lynchbaits into the same group.

[Hoctac]

Fair point, but see 81, Doro.

You find anyone scummy so far? I'm pretty sure clidd and Ame are conspiring in the other corner.

[Hoctac]

I see. I liked how he was thinking about how to play the setup, which seemed natural. and he did end up saying to not lynch group 1 today

He ended up saying to not lynch group 1 unless we found 1 scum in there. Finding a town or two who look like scum in 8 players is very easy. Mafia wouldn't work if that wasn't the case every game. So, my fear is that he knows this and is eventually setting himself up to vote group 1 in the future.
Secondly, it doesn't consider the possibility of there being 1 scum in group 1 who acts like a "jester" of sorts.

[Hoctac]

I don't know what you're talking about, Ame.
:shiftyeyes:

[Hoctac]

I know it's about the groups. I can only think of 1 thing.

[Hoctac]

Hxie82938tfj wrong vote, Ame

[Hoctac]

I know it's about the groups. I can only think of 1 thing.

Group 1. One of these things is not like the others.

Yep, that's what I thought you were getting at lol

[Hoctac]

Hoc, who all have you played with here?

Or who haven't' you played with rather

I'm played with a couple of people here, but the games are ongoing, so I shouldn't mention them.

[Hoctac]

Ame is probably town for her conspiracy theory. Knowing she was Paragon is interesting though, she felt completely different in that game.

[Hoctac]

Kanna feels like newbtown

[Hoctac]

Something about scum!Albert's plan being "enter hard pushing group 1 in hopes of lynching it" doesn't sit right about me. It feels full of agenda and scummy, so I'm leaning town on him.

[Hoctac]

Albert already reminds me of a certain fizzy drink orz

Hmm, not so sure about that comparison.

[Hoctac]

VOTE: Group 3

clidd, how do you individually read the three inside group 3?

[Hoctac]

Hoctac (91) - Suggesting we lynch group one if there's enough scummy players in there, although he presently thinks there's scummy players in group three. You're worrying me hoctoc

What worries you about this, Morning?

If

there are enough people acting scummy in group 1, we should lynch group 1. Right now though, I find people in group 3 are acting scumy.

Could you expand on what you find scummy about that statement?

[Hoctac]

Hoctac, what do you think about Ame's push on group 2 ?

Not a fan tbh.

Ame, why is clidd scummy?

[Hoctac]

Enomis is either a demoralized player who feels like he has no options today but wants to keep playing so he's blindly voting group #2, or he's acting out that character. I feel like this is a bad course of action for scum to take. I'd expect scum to find ways to scumread clidd and ABR, not claim "I don't want to die" and more or less give up

What if Enomis is scum pretending to act demoralised? His emotion doesn't have to be real.

[Hoctac]

Oh, you said "acting out that character". Did you just edit that post to make me feel stupid?

Noting this down for later.

[Hoctac]

Hoc + Clidd?

Maybe. I haven't ruled it out

[Hoctac]

Classic Doro being forever paranoid of conspiracies.

[Hoctac]

Doro is town btw

[Hoctac]

Ame is probably town for her conspiracy theory. Knowing she was Paragon is interesting though, she felt completely different in that game.

you mean this? can you explain it and why you found it townie?

I

think

I get what she's referring to, but I'm not 100% sure. I'm not going to explain it in case I'm wrong.

[Hoctac]

I liked the coloured readslists people were making, so I made one too!

Vote count 1.0

GROUP 1:

Adorable

Ame

Cat Scratch Fever

Daenerys and Dragons

Hoctac

Kanna

Morning Tweet

Raya36

GROUP 2:

Albert B. Rampage

clidd

GROUP 3:

dsjstr

enomis

Mohab500

[Hoctac]

lol @ pedit

Hoc please explain! I want to know what you think I see.

He's pretty obvtown. Mixture of things. As scum, he's more reserved, doesn't take hard stances, I'd expect him to talk more setup and less reads/potential slips. Also, being paranoid of his own group is reminiscent of you know what.

What did you see?

[Hoctac]

I townread Morning due to people scumreading her for scumslips.

[Hoctac]

I think I get what she's referring to, but I'm not 100% sure. I'm not going to explain it in case I'm wrong.

Hoc, I'm referring to this

Oh... I'm not going to say. You go first.

[Hoctac]

VOTE: group 3

You are voting your own group?

I was also thinking of voting for group 3 tbh

Group 1 is too risky and if there is 1 member in group 2 then even without reads it would be a 50/50 we get them the next day.

Doro!

You mentioned you would rather vote for group 2 over 3 since 2 will only have 1 member at max. But from your perspective, you know you're town, so should group 2 and 3 both have an equal number of potential scum (2)?

[Hoctac]

He's back in full force. Answer my question next so I can locktown you please, Doro. I know you have a lot of clients though, so take your time.

[Hoctac]

a haiku about clidd

[Hoctac]

@Hoctac; how much experience do you have with Dsj and how confident are you of your read on him?

No games with him; I'm quite new here. But I spent a lot of time metaing him pregame and I'm confident in my read, but there's just one hiccup involving the question I asked him. I need to understand why he immediately went for group 3 over 2.

[Hoctac]

I don't really want to, Ame...

[Hoctac]

What if we did it at 50 past?

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

[Hoctac]

wow you didn't do it

i was right not to trust you

[Hoctac]

Good luck!

[Hoctac]

So, Doro, why'd you go for group 3 over 2? There's 2 unknowns in each from your PoV.

[Hoctac]

Ah, I see. Why didn't you just say so earlier

[Hoctac]

VOTE: group 3

You are voting your own group?

I was also thinking of voting for group 3 tbh

Group 1 is too risky and if there is 1 member in group 2 then even without reads it would be a 50/50 we get them the next day.

Doro!

You mentioned you would rather vote for group 2 over 3 since 2 will only have 1 member at max. But from your perspective, you know you're town, so should group 2 and 3 both have an equal number of potential scum (2)?

That came at a time while 1-1-1 was being discussed and at the time I was thinking if that was case then group 3 would be the safest bet.

Why though? You know you're town, so both group 2 and 3 have 2 people that could be scum. Using that logic, group 2 is better to lynch since you know you're killing yourself (town) in group 3.

[Hoctac]

a haiku about clidd

clidd, the detective
he takes a sip of his tea
it’s quite delicious

im not sure if the last line is cheating or not

That's beautiful. Change "his tea" to "coffee" and it'd be perfect (clidd's a huge fan).

VOTE: Group 2

You have earned my vote.

[Hoctac]

I think it is 1-0-2 or 0-1-2!

Why not 0-2-1 or 1-2-0?

[Hoctac]

I knew you would ask me, Cat Scratch Fever, which is why I already preemptively answered you in 252.

[Hoctac]

Do you have any completed scumgames dsjstr?

viewtopic.php?t=81962
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=82403

[Hoctac]

Hang on a minute, I just realised why there's probably 2 or 3 scum in group 1. Everyone (as far as I'm aware) in group 1 are good at looking like town and don't get lynched very often.

In group 3, Mohab has said he gets scumread a lot. Doro is usually scumread (even though he's obvtown), and enomis I have a feeling is made of the same cut, given how he's entered strangely with this whole demotivated thing. Should metacheck him.

clidd doesn't really get lynched however. And Albert is a wildcard I guess, but definitely wouldn't call him lynchbait. BUT, they are exactly the sort of players that would have the confidence to put themselves in a smaller group and pull that off as scum. In fact, I think scum have done their homework and have put them both in group 2 so that we fall into the trap of thinking that.

Conclusion: Either, there's 2 scum in G1 with 1 being in G2. Or they're all in G1.

[Hoctac]

but I don't want to lynch my group D:

[Hoctac]

To expand on the first paragraph: I think the scumteam could've just dumped everyone who's good at looking like town as town, and rarely getting mislynched into group 1 with them.

[Hoctac]

Hoc, who haven't you played with or "read up on?" on your main account. Ongoing games are irrelevant to this question.

Pregame, I did research on everyone but Daenerys and Dragons, enomis, and Mohab.

This is my main account. Would be a little silly to have an alt not even a month into the site!

[Hoctac]

YES HOCTAC ILY!! (*≧∀≦*)

I am in total agreement with that assessment

Let's nuke ourselves together...

I'm going to gather my reads on everyone in Group 1 first actually.

UNVOTE: Group 2(?)

[Hoctac]

I'm always a null read or I would be a scum lean since I'm not an active member. I get the feeling scum looked up my completed games and they put me on Group 1 and plan on lynching Group 2 or Group 3 on day 1 and on day 2 they would put me in a group that would get lynched. I also think whoever are scum in this game are trying way too hard to look towny and it is Group 1 who is getting town read alot.

I don't like Adorable's entrance either

This post looks like shade throwing and you didn't elaborate on why you didn't like my entrance and this is the kind of post I normally scum read when I don't see a player elaborate.

I think 2 scum are in Group 1 and that's why I'm voting there.

Puff, why do you think scum would include you with them in group 1 if you think they've researched you and seen you as a null/scumlean most of the time, rather than put you in group 2/3, so that those could get lynched more easily today?

[Hoctac]

The players in Group 3 are scummy and I was also going to vote there yesterday and then I started to think scum must have looked up the players completed games which makes me think the players on Group 3 get scum read more often than me.

So why not put you in Group 2 if they really don't want Group 1 lynched?

[Hoctac]

Also, I need a PageTop but that's miles away. Help a Hoctac out.

[Hoctac]

Looking forward to it, clidd! I like these little work updates.

[Hoctac]

Adorable

- Puff went from thinking it was 1-1-1 to randomly switching to 3-0-0 in 299 with iff reasoning. Unnatural progression. No non-OMGUS reads yet. BUSSING/distancing.

Ame

- Conspiracy theory is townie. Poking Kanna is townie. Naked suspicion of clidd is iffy, dodged my question for why she found him suspicious.

Cat Scratch Fever

- Russian Blue. Poking holes in clidd's reasoning was townie, spotting Adorable as scum is townie. Some of her questioning feels

COLD.

Daenerys and Dragons

- Townslips in 16 and 19 look more fake than real. 231 is scummy in the way it takes Doro's joke too seriously.

Hoctac

- Sometimes misreads his role PM. He's probably fine, but there's always the possibility. Nulltown.

Kanna

- Newbtown. Her paranoia and coming around to thinking there's 2+ scum in Group 1 is natural.

Spoiler: Don't read this part, Kanna

Could be scum distancing if she suddenly decides she doesn't want to lynch Group 1.

Morning Tweet

- Scumslipped. 144.

Raya36

- PoE range. Agreeing with easy stuff and safe(?) takes. Pushing Group 3 and not considering Group 1 reads could be agenda-driven.

Q & A:

Raya

- I would love to see one of those fancy coloured readslists from you.

Daenerys and Dragons

- Regarding 19: There was an "ie" before "each of them is in one of the groups." Did you miss that?

Morning

- How confident are your scumlean/reads?

Ame

- Why do you find clidd suspicious, and are your Hoctac/clidd reads independent?

Kanna

- What's your read on me?

[Hoctac]

Thanks guys, you're the best.

[Hoctac]

It’s not the “ie” I missed. I think I read this as “one of them [mafia] must be in each of the groups.”

I don’t even think this could be called a townslip, I just read the rules incorrectly.

- Daenerys

Really, you don't think that would be a townslip? I struggle to believe you think that.

Are you aware mafia form partitions pregame, and would therefore be very aware of how they can insert themselves in the groups, and would be discussing strategies?

[Hoctac]

@hoctac, why do you keep calling kanna “newbtown”?

She's fairly new to mafia and I think this is her first game outside of the newbie queue. Does she not read that way to you?

[Hoctac]

Why Cat Scratch Fever, Albert?

[Hoctac]

hi friends!

for some reason I thought that mafia had to place at least one of each of themselves in each group. can someone confirm for me whether this is the case?

- Daenerys

Someone called this fake recently: I can confirm I had a similar thought when we began the game, perhaps because the listed mafia partition game had some ambiguous wording which made this seem like the case, so I can't really agree with that claim.

Sure, but mafia could misinterpret that too before they start their pregame discussion. Perhaps scum!Daegon has that in mind and is ready to drop it when the game starts. It's just the way they come out innocently inquiring about it.

[Hoctac]

@Hectic - associative. You randomly mentioned him earlier. And your interaction looks partnery. Also suspect that you two are likely to have done thins configuration. Not ignoring you or anyone. I'll fully address posts I've gleaned over Friday-Saturday

Was this directed at me?

Thanks if so!

[Hoctac]

GROUP 3 IS LYNCHBAIT DO NOT VOTE GROUP 3

VOTE GROUP 1 OR 2

1 IF YOU LIKE TO WIN FAST

2 IF YOU LIKE LONG GAMES WITH LOW INFO

THERE ARE YOUR CHOICES

What?

Why is voting Group 2 better than Group 3? Getting rid of "lynchbait" is surely better than yourself and another.

[Hoctac]

(yourself is worse because you know for sure you're town)

[Hoctac]

It’s not the “ie” I missed. I think I read this as “one of them [mafia] must be in each of the groups.”

I don’t even think this could be called a townslip, I just read the rules incorrectly.

- Daenerys

Really, you don't think that would be a townslip? I struggle to believe you think that.

Are you aware mafia form partitions pregame, and would therefore be very aware of how they can insert themselves in the groups, and would be discussing strategies?

I mean I just had the rules wrong in my head this whole time about how mafia have to allocate themselves. I don’t particularly think that’s alignment indicative? Are you saying it’s a “townslip” because mafia would discuss whether or not they have to allocate one to each group?

- Daenerys

Yeah, it would be a townslip since that misinterpretation would certainly be addressed and corrected while they formed partitions, as understanding that rule correctly is essential to that process.

Do you still disagree it would be a townslip?

[Hoctac]

GROUP 3 IS LYNCHBAIT DO NOT VOTE GROUP 3

VOTE GROUP 1 OR 2

1 IF YOU LIKE TO WIN FAST

2 IF YOU LIKE LONG GAMES WITH LOW INFO

THERE ARE YOUR CHOICES

Albert could be scum for this post tbh.

Like, why

never

vote Group 3 because "lynchbait", but Group 2 is fine, especially when he should know he's town?

[Hoctac]

It's not a stupid conversation. We're establishing the fact that your posts at the start of the game are definitely not NAI.

If it's a genuine slip, you are town.

Otherwise, you are scum, since you wouldn't be confused about that detail.

[Hoctac]

Is yellow above or below null?

[Hoctac]

Albert you act more confident than i would if it were mod confirmed to me that there's 3 scum in group one. How are you so certain scum was lazy. how

I only skimmed but ill reread better later.

I am only willing to vote group two right now.

To vote group one id need like, four scumreads in there.

and that is not happening

mohab i promise u there is like 2 scum in group one, minimum.

?

Lynching 2 scum is a very positive result.

We go down to 4 players with 2 chances to hit scum (only 1 nightkill in the game, remember?)

[Hoctac]

If 2 scum in group one -> 4 person MYLO is a good result, then we should probably choose group one

5 players -> nightkill -> 4 players 2|1|1

You have to pick one of the 1 groups. Or you can pick the 2, depending on WIFOM

3 players 1|1|1 LYLO

if we think this gives town best chance of winning, then id vote group one cause i feel pretty strongly theres 2 scum in it. Technically we're risking the game on there being 2+ but we may as well live a little

Exactly. Our EV 100% goes up if we lynch Group 1 and there's exactly 2 scum in here.

You agree with me that it's very likely there's 2+. So, time to self-destruct?

[Hoctac]

What if scum are galaxy braining it and put their lynchbait player with 2 other lynchabaits to throw us off Group 3??

I'm on to you.

[Hoctac]

It's not mylo. Mylo means "mislynch or lose". 3v1 without a nightkill is the day before Lylo. There'll be information to analyse based on group placements and interactions, so the odds of lynching the last scum in 2 tries (or 1 if they pick the group of 2) should be greater than 50% if town isn't duffers.

[Hoctac]

The players in Group 3 are scummy and I was also going to vote there yesterday and then I started to think scum must have looked up the players completed games which makes me think the players on Group 3 get scum read more often than me.

So why not put you in Group 2 if they really don't want Group 1 lynched?

Could you address this please, Puff?

[Hoctac]

What if I'm the only scum in Group 1 and I'm trying to sabotage for an early scum win? I'm starting to feel paranoid.

[Hoctac]

I just realized I haven’t posted a single cat gif this game

Spoiler:

About time

[Hoctac]

Ame, our EV goes up if we lynch Group 1 and there's 2 scum in there. You get 2 chances to lynch scum after it becomes 3v1 (or 1 chance if you lynch the group of 2). Don't worry, the maths checks out.

[Hoctac]

Hoctac - Sometimes misreads his role PM. He's probably fine, but there's always the possibility. Nulltown.

Please explain this because this is the exact opposite to how I'm seeing it.

If there are 2 scum in Group 1, and say, 1 in Group 2, we absolutely kill Group 1. Yes, scum/town ratio is better, but scum decide the partitions and it messes us up the next day. 1 lone scum is winnable.

?

There are times I view my role PM and think I'm town, despite being scum. So, there is a possibility (around 20%) I could be scum misreading my role PM. Sorry, I refuse to recheck my role PM now, because I feel invested in town's wincon and I think I'm in too deep at this point, but I thought it would be better if I was transparent about it.

Hope this helps.

[Hoctac]

hmM???

Is it a good or bad one?

[Hoctac]

The players in Group 3 are scummy and I was also going to vote there yesterday and then I started to think scum must have looked up the players completed games which makes me think the players on Group 3 get scum read more often than me.

So why not put you in Group 2 if they really don't want Group 1 lynched?

Could you address this please, Puff?

I pretty much said this on #350. Two or three scum in Group 1 I think they put me on Group 1 and plan on lynching on Group 2 or Group 3 on day 1 and on day 2 they would put me in a group that would get lynched.

I don't really get the logic there though, Puff. You said earlier you thought they put 3 players that were scummier than you in Group 3, so that they would get lynched. Why wouldn't they apply the same logic to group 2, and put you there? If their goal is to get any group but 1 lynched, it seems odd to put you in there, given your logic of yourself being the 4th easiest to scumread player in the game.

Do you really think the scumteam take this plan:

• Make Group 1 towny except for Puff. We want her to be the only scummy person in Group 1.
  
• Next day, we put Puff in a smaller group so she can be lynched.

Seems a little convoluted, no?

[Hoctac]

Relaxing, I like it. Are you trying to lull me into a false sense of security?

[Hoctac]

The journey of lynching Group 1:

[Hoctac]

VOTE: Group 1

gg

i was scum

[Hoctac]

UNVOTE: Group 1

[Hoctac]

but why

i claimed scum

[Hoctac]

drats

I'm not going to tell you who they are no matter what you do!

[Hoctac]

ok fine it's clidd and Albert, I crumbed it earlier and everything

[Hoctac]

Glad you liked the song btw, Ame! Christopher Tin is amazing

[Hoctac]

Okay, but seriously, should probably remove some votes from Group 1. Assuming there's 0 or 1 scum in there, and only 1 scum is currently voting for it, it's possible for the other 2 to quickhammer for the win.

I still think it's the best lynch, but unvote so we can have more time to discuss.

[Hoctac]

Yes, that is what I thought you were getting at earlier, Ame.

I actually like Puff's reaction. She doesn't strike me as the type of player to try and fake something like that.

[Hoctac]

Unless someone's coached her to do it in the scum PT.

[Hoctac]

...I just noticed something lmfao

this has Hoc written all over it xDDD

yeah this has to be Hoc

This realisation was hilarious lol

It feels really genuine, so either Ame is scum who only realised this at this moment (less likely), or she's town.

[Hoctac]

I wasn't sure if it was the same as your theory, there was another possibility

[Hoctac]

Also, I think you'll find my pronoun isn't listed under my account name, and I think you should respect that rather than assume

[Hoctac]

Other theories were:

• I've played with everyone in Group 1.
  
• The hydra in group 1 is "unlike" the others (weak).

[Hoctac]

I forgive you, Ame.

Puff, what's your assessment of the current situation? Did we lose or are we all good?

[Hoctac]

Basically i took my previous townleans, and threw on the new ones, and here we are. I can reread and fix it as long as we arent terminating group #1 right now. Are you guys considering ending group #1 right now, or are we waiting

I'd rather wait. I can still see it being clidd. Also, I want the charmander to come back and start posting.

[Hoctac]

Ok, cool, thanks for checking!

[Hoctac]

What even was that experiment lol

[Hoctac]

I think we're ready to nuke pretty much. If there's 2 scum in here, no one's confirmed town for tomorrow, just keep that in mind.

[Hoctac]

Adorable

- Avatar is highly manipulative. Underhanded tactics.

Ame

- Jokes are very on point... almost suspiciously so. Probably buddying the thread.

Cat Scratch Fever

- She has cat-GiF!indicative tells. The reduced frequency this game is scum-indicative.

Daenerys and Dragons

- Outdated show. Trying to rekindle past nostalgia to keep us from lynching them.

Hoctac

- He

did

misread his role PM. He just checked, and he's scum... whoops.

Kanna

- Newbscum. Facing away from us in her avatar; a sign of guilt.

Raya36

- Scumslipped by making herself blue in this post. For people unaware: Raya comes from a site where they use blue for scum.

It's time.

[Hoctac]

VOTE: Group 1

Farewell, friends.

[Hoctac]

I was actually scum btw. It was so unbelievably frustrating trying to coordinate a quickhammer. Thanks for making it easy.

[Hoctac]

[Dragon, Raya, Cats] + maybe Ame wasn't the scumteam? D:

[Hoctac]

but yeah gg

we had them from the start

[Hoctac]

I would love to go again with a reroll actually. If schadd is feeling gracious of course. Would like to roll town this time.

[Hoctac]

<3

You were obvtown after the fakehammer, Puff.

[Hoctac]

[Dragon, Raya, Cats]

Nah, it actually was this.

I think we won, Doro!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Hoctac]

That was really fun! Well played to everyone. I really want to play one of these again at some point in the future.

[Hoctac]

Aww, I wanted to see your thoughts as well, clidd. That was a fantastic read though lol. I kinda wish you guys had gone with the 11-1-1 strat, just to see what would happen.

I'm not sure how I would've reacted to a Ame+clidd+Morning+Raya group. At first glance, maybe suspicious of how there's 3 people in there that can be very good at looking towny. All 3 of you probably would've made it through though, I think.