mini 2140: partition (this is over)

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hi friends!

for some reason I thought that mafia had to place at least one of each of themselves in each group. can someone confirm for me whether this is the case?

- Daenerys

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each of them is in one of the groups.

idk why but I thought "each of them" meant "each of the mafia"

actually that's not even right because that just means that mafia have to be in any of the groups

wow my reading comprehension is trash, please ignore me

- Daenerys

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hi adorbs hi cat hi cakes hi albert hi clidd

VOTE: group 1
This is unacceptable

This hydra hasn't been used since before season 8 came out...kinda awk lol

-dragons

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I think I'm the only one here who played in Partition 1?
It opened a lot differently, groups were even.

-dragons

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Daenerys and I both agree the setup talk is getting overdone and is annoying.

I like Ame's 34 for trying to make progression.
In contrast enomis' 40 is bad. And I dislike their later posts too. The demoralization in 90 seems fake.
I also don't like Raya's 74. Lots of "uh huh"ing and easy agreements.
"I definitely agree we should scumhunt and choose the group we lynch based on who we think is scum."
like really?
Hoctac's 81 is a good explanation of why the mechanical discussion is pointless.
Morning Tweet needs to start scumhunting.

VOTE: enomis

-dragons

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catchup post
- I like that Ame offered a really out of the box strategy that wasn't setup spec related - prob a townlean
- immediately shot down by enomis, who seems overly concerned with group 1 not being lynched
- on pg 3 enomis says "he feels demoralized if either group 2 or 3 have to get kicked." not really sure what this means, suddenly the scenario that he was advocating for of not lynching group 1 makes him feel demoralized, why? one group is going to have to get lynched eventually...
- raya in 74 - why is setup spec towny? also seems to be overly concerned with group 1 not being lynched. "only lynch group 1 if we really strong townread those outside of it."
- then enomis says he wouldn't vote for his own group.. and he feels demoralized because he can only scumhunt within group 2. wtf does this mean? you can still scumhunt in the whole game. I think this is all an act.
- hoctac and cat scratch seem to have similar lines of thought as me on enomis, townleans there
- dsjstr talking about 1/1/1 partition comes across as a little too informed
- ooh made it to dragons posting. he saw all the same things I did! I'm happy with vote/FoS on enomis.
- mohab keeps saying "I don't like setup talk but there's nothing else to do so I'll contribute to the setup talk" instead of..... not doing that. sounds like an excuse not to start scumhunting.
- actually liked raya's 200 more than any prior posts made by them. back to null

not sure how I feel about clidd/ABR. I agree with cat scratch's 211 that clidd has basically waved away the possibility of scum!ABR and I think maybe scum!clidd would have put himself in a group with town!ABR because town leader ABR would not be lynched so clidd thought that would guarantee safety.

I liked what someone did with the color coding in the groups so I'm gonna do that too.

- Daenerys

Spoiler: here's where I'm at

GROUP 1:
Adorable

Ame

Cat Scratch Fever

Daenerys and Dragons

Hoctac

Kanna
Morning Tweet
Raya36

GROUP 2:
Albert B. Rampage

clidd

GROUP 3:

dsjstr

enomis

Mohab500

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Enomis is either a demoralized player who feels like he has no options today but wants to keep playing so he's blindly voting group #2, or he's acting out that character. I feel like this is a bad course of action for scum to take. I'd expect scum to find ways to scumread clidd and ABR, not claim "I don't want to die" and more or less give up

I think town would try to scumhunt so that they wouldn't be the lynch though

- Daenerys

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like he claims he's demoralized and can use that to be lazy and not try to scumhunt

- Daenerys

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who do you think is scum in group 3?

- Daenerys

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don't bs with me

now I think

there is mafia in the group.

you clearly said you think there's mafia in group 3, so who did you mean when you said that?

- Daenerys

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why do you think enomis and mohab are both scum?

- Daenerys

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Part of that has to do with the slip I saw,

First impressions: i feel that it is unlikely scum placed 2 of themselves in group 2, or 2 of themselves in group 3

That seems like a lot of risk, because at a glance you'd expect us to probably pick group 2 or 3 for the lynch, and it'd be hard to stop it if one of those groups gained traction. all it would take is one scummy member in the group and you'd lose that group and 2/3rds of the scumteam

Whereas if you placed 2+ scum inside group one, it'd likely be easier to steer the lynch away from one to one of the smaller groups.

after all, there's at least 5 town in group one and im sure at least some of them would not want to die

I just realized while writing this that if we lynch group one, and there's zero scum in there, we lose the game immediately. ack!

I just noticed that MT referred to the town as "them" when saying that there are at least 5 town in group 1 and they should not vote for their own group. This seems weird to me and looks like MT could have slipped. If they are town then they

would have included them self as part of the town. Instead he talks about town being other people, now what does this have to do with group 3? If you look at MT's first read list you will notice that Mohab is the only strong town read. I personally

don't see the reasoning to be strong Mohab could have just faked that he wanted to lynch his own group and then he actually does change his vote. MT continues to town read him as they both switch over to group 2 which had gained some traction.

Just realized that group 2 is also at L-3, but basically I am scum reading Mahob because I scum read MT but that's just one person from group 1 so it would be better to go for group 3.

and enomis?

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GROUP 3:

dsjstr

enomis
Mohab500

I think that is really really unlikely

But you make me feel even more like not voting group 3. I doubt a scumteam member in group 3 would take the stance that there's two scummy players in group 3 while group 3 is on like L-2 and under heavy fire by most of the game

pedit: pretty!

Logically I agree with you, but gut-wise both dragons and I are getting scumpinged so hard by group 3

- Daenerys

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@ABR, are you townreading clidd and why?

- Daenerys

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Something about scum!Albert's plan being "enter hard pushing group 1 in hopes of lynching it" doesn't sit right about me. It feels full of agenda and scummy, so I'm leaning town on him.

Like this thought process except for the last bit

I start to wonder why did mafia put 8 players in group 1, 2 players in group 2, and 3 players in group 3. It takes 7 to hammer and there's no way group 1 will get hammered by the other groups for not having enough players. Mafia want to avoid getting lynched which will be more likely there is definitely scum in group 1.

VOTE: Group 1

This thought process is way too simple and therefore probably town

Raya TRing us for my post attacking her irks me. And 320 continues the earlier overt "agreeableness" I saw and dislike.
Can't tell if clidd's talkiness is a smokescreen for scum or not
no idea what to think of dstj either. Could just be lynchbait...
Meanwhile I kinda dislike Mohab calling themselves lynchbait over and over. Reads like a shield.
MT deflecting the "slip" in 251 bothers me as well. Playing it off nonchalantly with the "I don't think you're scum". I don't know if it was necessarily a slip but the reaction bothers me moreso.
It just sucks SRing people in 1. 3 is probably a decent lynch based on raw scumhunting.

I'd say my scumpool rn is (Mohab/enomis/Raya/MT)
I have a lot of nulls. Town people need to be more town!

-dragons

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It’s not the “ie” I missed. I think I read this as “one of them [mafia] must be in each of the groups.”

I don’t even think this could be called a townslip, I just read the rules incorrectly.

- Daenerys

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@hoctac, why do you keep calling kanna “newbtown”?

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@ABR, why don’t you think there’s scum in group 2? You say you refuse to scumhunt, so you’re not townreading clidd, correct?

- Daenerys

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Why can’t clidd be scum fypov?

- Daenerys

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Makes no sense to put 1 scum in a 2 player group.

this logic can go on forever because of WIFOM

-dragons

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It’s not the “ie” I missed. I think I read this as “one of them [mafia] must be in each of the groups.”

I don’t even think this could be called a townslip, I just read the rules incorrectly.

- Daenerys

Really, you don't think that would be a townslip? I struggle to believe you think that.

Are you aware mafia form partitions pregame, and would therefore be very aware of how they can insert themselves in the groups, and would be discussing strategies?

I mean I just had the rules wrong in my head this whole time about how mafia have to allocate themselves. I don’t particularly think that’s alignment indicative? Are you saying it’s a “townslip” because mafia would discuss whether or not they have to allocate one to each group?

- Daenerys

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welp I remembered why I don’t enjoy playing with ABR when I’m town

- Daenerys

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It’s not the “ie” I missed. I think I read this as “one of them [mafia] must be in each of the groups.”

I don’t even think this could be called a townslip, I just read the rules incorrectly.

- Daenerys

Really, you don't think that would be a townslip? I struggle to believe you think that.

Are you aware mafia form partitions pregame, and would therefore be very aware of how they can insert themselves in the groups, and would be discussing strategies?

I mean I just had the rules wrong in my head this whole time about how mafia have to allocate themselves. I don’t particularly think that’s alignment indicative? Are you saying it’s a “townslip” because mafia would discuss whether or not they have to allocate one to each group?

- Daenerys

Yeah, it would be a townslip since that misinterpretation would certainly be addressed and corrected while they formed partitions, as understanding that rule correctly is essential to that process.

Do you still disagree it would be a townslip?

Okay I guess I agree on your definition of a townslip? But I wasn’t faking anything, I really didn’t know the rules? This is a stupid conversation

- Daenerys

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It's not a stupid conversation. We're establishing the fact that your posts at the start of the game are definitely not NAI.

If it's a genuine slip, you are town.

Otherwise, you are scum, since you wouldn't be confused about that detail.

And now we are arguing about whether it’s genuine, which of course I will say it is and of course you are saying it’s not. If you believe it’s fake, then I’m not sure how I’m supposed to convince you it’s genuine.

Therefore this is a stupid conversation to be having.

- Daenerys

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Because hoctac asked a question about it?

- Daenerys

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GROUP 1:

Adorable

Ame

Cat Scratch Fever

Daenerys and Dragons

Hoctac

Kanna

Morning Tweet

Raya36

GROUP 2:

Albert B. Rampage

clidd

GROUP 3:

dsjstr

enomis

Mohab500

Why do you have us as town?

- Daenerys

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not sure what to do with ABR

-dragons

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humans can't be calculated by math

-Dragons

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if there is some weird scum conspiracy to lynch a bunch of town in 1 to win then Albert would be scum obviously

-dragons

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wtf did I just read

- Daenerys

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Why?

- Daenerys

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Why?

- Daenerys

Why what? Why don’t I townread you?

you seem to only be scumreading Adorable in 365, so what's changed since then that you have two more scumreads now? and also, how does that impact your theory about scum putting only scum!adorable in group 1?

- Daenerys

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How am I taking a backseat?

-dragons

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youre hardly present

I only remember like one of your posts off the top of my head

I feel present

this game has been hard for me to engage because there's so much mechanical discussion and "HMMM SHOULD WE LYNCH 1, 2 OR 3"
and barely any real scumhunting

-Dragons

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normally I would SR the players still doing nothing but setup theory at this point but there's so many people doing it that I doubt they're all scum
rather they're probably town trying to find some magic bullet for the setup
which spoiler alert doesn't exist

-dragons

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Group 3 is for in-betweeners afraid of taking risks but still want to hit at least 1 scum maybe.

what does this even mean

-dragons