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[clidd]

Hello Hectic, good to see you again ~ give me some time to read.



UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald

[clidd]

Votecount 1.03

Hectic (2): AaronFrost, bob3141
HoldenGolden (2): SirCakez, Morning Tweet
tictac (2): Wake88, Gamma Emerald
bob3141 (2): Aloratom, Hectic
Morning Tweet (2): HoldenGolden, Cat Scratch Fever
Aloratom (1): tictac
AaronFrost (1): profii
Cat Scratch Fever (0):
profii (0):
Wake88 (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
davesaz (0):
SirCakez (0):

Not Voting: davesaz

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-04-20 11:30:00).

Quick note: Gamma was the second to vote tictac(Chemist), do we believe he would've bussed his partner here that early in a game with 13 players ?

I don't think so.

[clidd]

Can we get some votes for Creature (the Aaron slot)? I feel like Creature’s current approach is a scum one, trying to avoid making waves

I agree with this actually. This has felt like scum!Creature so far since replacing in.

VOTE: Creature

clidd, you have 9 hours to solve this game before you get nightkilled. I really like your new profile picture btw.

lol, thank you. Could you give me a summary of the reasons why the two wagons (Gamma/Creature) were formed ?

[clidd]

As far as I’ve seen, Creature’s ISO is literally empty, while Gamma’s ISO has more potential for expansion. In this context, it is more interesting to consider the lynch Creature>Gamma instead of Gamma>Creature. The lynch policy is applicable here.

[clidd]

I believe that on the premise of *not voting early on the partner* is basically something that is making me feel good about Wake and Gamma right now. The two initial votes on Tictac slot were theirs, which I find a difficult attitude to be premeditated, because if there was planning around this, I imagine different circumstances to occur correctly, with Tictac not being replaced and trying to create a circle of interactions that would make it more difficult to infer associations of his ISO once he was lynched.

[clidd]

Two slots that deserve attention for the quality of their scum game are Holden and Davesaz. If I can survive the transition between D1~D2, I would like to make a comparison between their meta and the game we are in. Hectic is on that list, but since Tictac obviously have more purposefully interactions with him, I'm inclined to think about the TvS hypothesis between Hectic/Tictac, which clearly weigh more for the

Town!Hectic

scenario.

[clidd]

However, my impression conjecture would be something like this with the info I have now:

[Hectic] [Gamma] [Wake]

[Davesaz] [Holden] [Morning]

[Profi] [Bob]

[Adorable]

[Creature]

I would like to have more time to interact today, but for work reasons, I will probably only be able to participate more actively in 5 hours. The best lynch for D2 is Creature. Depending on the flip and the NK, we will continue the discussion tomorrow with new data.

[clidd]

*Intent to hammer Creature*

[clidd]

I'm back.

[clidd]

I intended to hammer him, as I mentioned earlier. We still had 1 hour before the deadline to talk, but ok.

[clidd]

I believe that on the premise of *not voting early on the partner* is basically something that is making me feel good about Wake and Gamma right now.

Sigh

They're both RVS votes. gamma went very inactive after the vote, and then revoted tictac-Chem to L-1, forgetting he already voted the slot

Yes, precisely. What you mentioned just reinforces a towny mindset of

Town!Gamma

forgetting (distracted) the vote, than necessarily

Scum!Gamma

pretending to forget. In my experience, scum players tend to pay more attention to who they are voting for.

I think if Creatures play has been inherently scummy and theres something about it that im unable to see meta-wise, then im fine with it. I would very much prefer a Gamma lynch, but i also dont have creature-Aaron in my town block + others have their own reasonings. Although I think everyone (except Holden's) reasoning for defending Gamma "He voted early!" is not a reason to clear him

i have to leave again, im finished reading now. i might not be able to be online for a few hours, so good luck

Hum, we are not advocating that Gamma is necessarily ''clear'' because of a single event. The inference I made is an interpretation I had of the intention of voting that he had in the RVS, which possibly evidenced the lack of planning, because unless the strategy points to a hard-buss about the context of towny credibility, hardly a scum vote for his partner. The purpose of RVS for scumteam is not to be apathetic about the game, but to promote interactions with slots towns to achieve two objectives: 1- Town opinion (activity) and 2- fishing PRs. Considering the limited time I had to read the game, this observation was an effort to be as accurate as possible in my personal PoE with basic information.

[clidd]

We can still talk until it's locked.
What do you think about everyone? Have you had much chance to look at stuff?

It doesn't work anymore, the lynch has already occurred, we have pressure 0 at the moment. I will wait for the result.

[clidd]

Do you have something to say in addition to what I already observed about the game state, Creature ?

[clidd]

[clidd]

It is a special darjeeling tea, exceptionally delicious.

[clidd]

Good morning,

The NK is unusual and is probably not linked solely to the distancing of Morning, Dave, Wake and Hectic quartet. I believe that there was some TPR interpretation by the mafia in relation to the slot and, perhaps, a possible process of eliminating threats based on reads. I hope we will be able to speculate better on the subject as the day progresses.

[clidd]

Oh, also, after having an accessible time to read the topic during the night, I was able to update my impressions:

<Morning Tweet> <Wake88> <Hectic>

<Profii>

<bob3141> <Dave>

<Gamma Emerald>

[clidd]

Hey Dave, what you think of Wake's statement about you, Morning and Hectic after the recent NK ? or has nothing changed ?

[clidd]

Since the gamma portion of my solve doesn't pan out I guess I'll give the rest.

I wasn't killed, which means Wake is town. Scum killing protective is high priority unless that kill will result in a guilty. Scum believed the watcher would get a guilty. Wake wasn't killed, which means scum thought I would protect him. Kill priority would be investigative over protective, unless protected. I assert that this implies I have to be town protective, though I will be generous and try not to sling insults if people don't get it.

I'm not as positive about Hectic as I was d1, would need to re-read.
I really need to know what MT's role is. Another TPR means the game is very stacked. Scum would need to have roles to counter.

I agree with the conjecture that Scum!Wake would be interested in slaughtering your slot overnight after managing to reveal you. A gambit-wifom would not seem very beneficial in this context, especially for being something executed on D2, right after mafia lost one of their partners.

Regarding Hectic, I think he's a relatively easy slot to read when he's town due to the interactions he has throughout the game, at least from my point of view. The way in which Chemist's slot forced some interactions with him on D1 seemed to me suggestively a subtle attempt of association between both slots, because at the moment when the lynch occurred, these interactions would be analyzed later and would probably be harmful to the scum alignment if they characterized SvS, especially due to the pressure of the numerical handicap that would increase. In that sense, for now, I am inclined to consider his slot town unless some mechanical peculiarity says otherwise.

[clidd]

I wasn't killed, which means Wake is town. Scum killing protective is high priority unless that kill will result in a guilty. Scum believed the watcher would get a guilty. Wake wasn't killed, which means scum thought I would protect him. Kill priority would be investigative over protective, unless protected. I assert that this implies I have to be town protective, though I will be generous and try not to sling insults if people don't get it.

You would insult me if i had the idea that this isnt the case? You arent confirmed just because you and wake survived..? Unless im missing what you're saying

Hum, I think I visually ignored his line:

''

I assert that this implies I have to be town protective, though I will be generous and try not to sling insults if people don't get it

''

Evidently, he is not confirmed, lol.

[clidd]

I recall someone saying from a completed game the max town pr in a mini setup is 4. If anyone here can correct me on that if that is correct or is it 5?

Yes, 4 TPRs and 6 VTs.

[clidd]

This is a 13-player fame, though. Not 10.

I didn't mention the scum alignment, but it would basically be the addition of 3.

[clidd]

Well, changing the subject: would a mass-claim be correct in the current game state ?

[clidd]

[clidd]

I didn't find any game of his in which he did that as scum. Positive sign ?

[clidd]

I'm a baby sitter you fucking moron. Now when scum kill me they get 2 townies.

Hum.

[clidd]

I believe I know how to recognize when the player reaches the limit and ends up "exploding" and asks for substitution. It happened to me once.

[clidd]

Do you think this is one of those times, clidd?

Yes, very likely. But at the moment it is more plausible to wait for a replacement to enter the slot and restart the claim subject, so we can better evaluate the slot outside of this AtE spectrum to facilitate the general understanding of whether it is town or not.

[clidd]

Seems kind of early in response to mere skepticism.

No, it didn't start today. Probably something had been bothering him since D1, until it became a snowball and probably exploded when you touched on the subject of his claim. Players react differently to stress. This, of course, is that I am not considering external factors. But it is merely speculation, so it is better to consider NAI for now.

[clidd]

Fair assessment. But there were indications he was getting increasingly frustrated from moments from yesterday as well.

Anyway, Gamma disappearing to post elsewhere on-site rather than claim is a hum de dum.

Yeah, you're right.

[clidd]

I have the feeling that Gamma will claim VT in both alignments.

[clidd]

I'm back.

[clidd]

Someone said something about scum avoiding the protective because they are scared of the watcher

Baloney

In a game where scum claim their PRs openly on day 1, they cherry pick kills to make you think that.

VOTE: wake88

This would only be true in the scenario in which Scum!Wake would have the audacity to execute a gambit soon after the fall of Chemist. Which doesn't make a lot of sense considering that this is an instance that is not worth the cost/benefit and would cause the second, theoretically, mafia member to fall in 1 ~ 2 days, making the chances of scum alignment win out remote.

[clidd]

I'm VT too, I thought you already have figured that out lol

It's your turn to claim, my friend.

.

I'm VT too, I thought you already have figured that out lol.

[clidd]

Ops, double-post.

[clidd]

Migth of been me but i said it coild mean 3 things. One was that but also that one of the claims is fake

I just cant see scum not trying to get rid of dave or wake if they could. If scum have rb ability left. Waka or dave would have died. If they just have utility role then it asks the question how would they deal with dave/waka

Dave can protect Wake, while Wake watches Dave. This is probably one of the reasons why neither died. But, as I mentioned before, there may have been a different interpretation of Holden's slot that suggested he was TPR, which would also motivate an NK outside the {Dave-Wake-Morning} scope.

[clidd]

If dave protects wake and wake watches dave.

If scum kill dave. Dave and wake die. And we get no info.

Better dave slot protects some they think is scum. If scum try and kill that slot. He migth take out one of them

They cant kill wake as there is always teh risk to them that dave will gambit and infact protect wake.

[clidd]

LuckyLuciano replaces davesaz.

Hello again.

[clidd]

I was kind of impatient when I replaced Aloratom near the deadline and didn't read Aaron (Creature's predecessor) in full before we defined the lynch. Which resulted in the Gamma's life extension.

[clidd]

No, it was just a positive impression because he voted too early for Tictac (Chemist's predecessor) whose flip was scum.

[clidd]

I had other reasons too, which were mentioned on posts 1265, 1267, 1272 and 1323, but they are precocious interpretations in the short time that I had. At the moment, my official position on the slot is at post 1341, after having the opportunity to read the game better.

[clidd]

Hum.

[clidd]

Hectic, mechanically speaking, what do you think about the fact that Gamma didn't claim to be an Ascetic role on D1 ? wouldn't it be more collectively beneficial ? (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ascetic)

[clidd]

Do we have a full claim from Tweet? I don't see them on Hectic's list.

We don't.

Plus: Luciano, do you think Morning can be scum based on the visit that your slot and she made to Hectic that did not feature a death ?

[clidd]

I may as well post my thoughts on this now. There's no way of knowing when Waka Waka will waka up and full claim, and I think he's probably just a normal watcher. My role is ridiculously overpowered, and I wouldn't blame you all if you wanted to policy lynch me for possessing such a role. It's honestly just a spit in the face for scum.

Spoiler:

VT.

[clidd]

I don't see how us both visiting Hectic means she is not scum.

Which one of the scenarios you like ?

- 2 PRs visiting a VT
- 1 PR/1 scum visiting a VT
- 2 PRs visiting a scum.

[clidd]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald for now

VOTE: gamma

Im thinking i was right at the start of day 2 thinking that gamma was demoralized scum. But his active responses to my questions threw me.

I will be exercising my hammer when he gets to L-1 because I was deprived of that on D2.

[clidd]

Cool. I figured out that she was the neighborizer this morning from setup spec. Can you explain to me why the neighborizer is town in this setup?

Technically, she could be a scum neighbouriser, but the basis of my townread on her is down to how she's been interacting and solving with me in the hood.

But overall, I think town enabler + town neighbouriser is far more common and makes a lot more than town enabler + scum neighbouriser. Just because the enabler is a common way to nerf a town role since either of the neighbouriser/enabler dying deactivates the power from the game.

Why do you think town has too much power?

I have some reasons to consider Morning's slot as town too:

Spoiler:

- 44, 52, 69, 78 - Relaxed tone, very similar to the experiences I had with other players in past games, especially when the individual is used to making comments in this format. I don't know exactly if this is a characteristic of her playstyle, but it seemed to me something genuine and linked to a noticeable towny calm, unlike the scum mentality that tries to simulate a fictional peace of mind to win the empathy of others with periodic AtE methods.

- 114, 127 - I agree with the premise that those who excessively force jokes about being from the scum alignment tend to really be approaching their role in a comical way under the guise of wifom, and may also be to camouflage nervousness and tension of being at a numerical disadvantage compared to town alignment.

- 133 - Interesting theory about Scum!Wake being trying to win towncred by conveying the need for meta-dives with little content in the game (14), but this speculation is not so accurate as it does not fully encompass Wake's motivation, as it is still plausible that the will discriminated on post 20 is an interpersonal manifestation of Town!Wake trying to get more meaningfully involved with the playerlist, or at least leave the feeling of

''if you play according to scum-meta, you will eventually be caught''

. I suppose, therefore, that it is something NAI in isolation.

- 234, 386, 939, 942, 965 - I can understand the reasoning she used to arrive at the inference of alignment of the slots mentioned in the time period in which these posts occurred, which for me suggests transparency of formulation in the reads and probably indicates approximation to the Town!Morning scenario inferring that, and not Scum!Morning trying to manipulate data/interpretations.

- 1005 - The retaliation against the SvS angle of wagons on the D1 is something that I sympathize with vehemence, not only because it is approaching my slot, but mainly because this theorization is basically an unfounded chain-lynch attempt that serves as a distraction from evaluation of the players who were voting for both wagons. I'm disappointed to see Aaron cogitating that.

- 1052, 1055, 1056 - I appreciated the comments highlighted in the sequence of these three posts. I believe that Scum!Morning would be more inclined to be negligent in issuing the analysis, because in the context in which it was scored, it was something of public benefit. It makes more sense Town!Morning trying to make data transparent to support her line of reasoning and facilitate the understanding of the eventualities in the transition between D1~D2.

Conclusion:

Due to the ease with which I understood and managed to follow the observations that Morning's reasoning proposed, I believe that there are optimistic chances that her slot is town.

[clidd]

I wholeheartedly agree, clidd. Also, just a heads up, none of the post tags work, because you probably quoted it straight from your PT, and they would be linked to posts in that PT (even if the post number doesn't exist).

Give me a moment, I'll fix it.

[clidd]

Fixed:

Spoiler:

- 44, 52, 69, 78 - Relaxed tone, very similar to the experiences I had with other players in past games, especially when the individual is used to making comments in this format. I don't know exactly if this is a characteristic of her playstyle, but it seemed to me something genuine and linked to a noticeable towny calm, unlike the scum mentality that tries to simulate a fictional peace of mind to win the empathy of others with periodic AtE methods.

- 114, 127 - I agree with the premise that those who excessively force jokes about being from the scum alignment tend to really be approaching their role in a comical way under the guise of wifom, and may also be to camouflage nervousness and tension of being at a numerical disadvantage compared to town alignment.

- 133 - Interesting theory about Scum!Wake being trying to win towncred by conveying the need for meta-dives with little content in the game (14), but this speculation is not so accurate as it does not fully encompass Wake's motivation, as it is still plausible that the will discriminated on post 20 is an interpersonal manifestation of Town!Wake trying to get more meaningfully involved with the playerlist, or at least leave the feeling of

''if you play according to scum-meta, you will eventually be caught''

. I suppose, therefore, that it is something NAI in isolation.

- 234, 386, 939, 942, 965 - I can understand the reasoning she used to arrive at the inference of alignment of the slots mentioned in the time period in which these posts occurred, which for me suggests transparency of formulation in the reads and probably indicates approximation to the Town!Morning scenario inferring that, and not Scum!Morning trying to manipulate data/interpretations.

- 1005 - The retaliation against the SvS angle of wagons on the D1 is something that I sympathize with vehemence, not only because it is approaching my slot, but mainly because this theorization is basically an unfounded chain-lynch attempt that serves as a distraction from evaluation of the players who were voting for both wagons. I'm disappointed to see Aaron cogitating that.

- 1052, 1055, 1056 - I appreciated the comments highlighted in the sequence of these three posts. I believe that Scum!Morning would be more inclined to be negligent in issuing the analysis, because in the context in which it was scored, it was something of public benefit. It makes more sense Town!Morning trying to make data transparent to support her line of reasoning and facilitate the understanding of the eventualities in the transition between D1~D2.

Conclusion:

Due to the ease with which I understood and managed to follow the observations that Morning's reasoning proposed, I believe that there are optimistic chances that her slot is town.

[clidd]

I wholeheartedly agree, clidd. Also, just a heads up, none of the post tags work,

because you probably quoted it straight from your PT

, and they would be linked to posts in that PT (even if the post number doesn't exist).

Which also probably confirms Clidd and town, and I don't know how I feel about that happening the way it did...

Yeah, kinda awkward lol

clidd, do you ever request solo PTs as scum?

No, I started using PTs on Newbie 1992, to store observations and speculations. It's my "mental palace".

[clidd]

Gamma Emerald: Ascetic Townie
Bobman: VT
profii: VT
Adorable: VT

This is my scum list.

Gamma > Bobman > profii > Adorable being in likelihood of scum

I have something about Adorable being town too:

Spoiler:

- 795 - The way she positioned the representation of votes is suggestive. I believe it would be easier, in the sense of accessibility, to quote the post, but she felt the need to copy the content outside the standard format, not only to emphasize the votes and exclude non-relevant information, but also to adapt the visual simplification of the content so that she could read it while typing the little analysis. This suggests that she did not care to foresee what would be said, also indicating the lack of a predetermined scum-agenda after the replacement. Subtly towny.

- 830, 833, 842, 865 - The observations are not as expressive as I imagined of what she would be able to absorb when interpreting the time distance between the Chemist's posts, but only the fact that she was interested in following the chronology line of the slot's actions gives me the impression of a genuine resolute engagement attempt in the game. In my opinion, it is more plausible that this ''hunt'' in Chemist interactions is consistent with a town perspective, without information, than a scum perspective, which would probably be slower in the first interactions the moment she came in the game.

- 907 - This vote is predictable for any individual reading the ISO of Gamma, regardless of alignment. The reason is basically one: lack of content; NAI.

- 949 - I believe that upon correction or new information, Scum!Adorable would be more tempted to change her posture in relation to the disclosed pov, to try to make a development adherence for her reads. However, this was not the case. I feel a small amount of ignorance in this, but an ignorance coming from a stubborn perspective that is not concerned with creating a good impression, but rather staying true to the proposed line of reasoning. This better reflects the scenario of a Town!Adorable standing firm in its considerations, than a Scum!Adorable trying to show a fictional evolution.

- 1215 - I can follow and understand the process by which she arrived at the inferences about the slots mentioned in this post, which in my opinion is a significant indication of transparency, as I was unable to feel any cognitive distortion that characterizes a manipulative thinking that aims to reach an erroneous conclusion on purpose, or that interprets the data in a biased way. There are players with decent scums games that can emulate this, but they are minority and, most likely, Adorable is not one of them as her profile suggests.

Conclusion:

This slot gave me an impression very similar to the impression I got from Morning. I feel that she is potentially town too.

If we consider the scenario in which all PRs are TPRs, I believe that the game ends with Gamma> Bob> Profii. However, I find it difficult that none of the remaining scums tried to incorporate one of the important roles, as this apathy would eventually lead to systematic elimination between VTs and premature defeat.

[clidd]

Hey Gamma, can I see your reads ?

[clidd]

I think you, Lucky, MT and Wake are Town, our of these I feel least strongly on Wake just because it’s pretty much just because of the role

I don’t have any leads on who is scum but I can probably figure it out through a mix of PoE and scumhunting at this point

I just need to actually do that

It doesn't have to be a dissertation, you can be objective in your impressions of who is potentially scum from your point of view.

[clidd]

This is where i'm at rn. This + Gamma's claim makes me think we have it PoE'd

great likelihood of a scum bussing tictac-Chem + The d2 pivot to Aaron-Creature + Gamma's claim!! causes me to feel very strongly feel gamma is scum here, both readswise and mechanically

Gamma's recent posting causes me paranoia that i could have the setup balance wrong here though

Watcher + Babysitter + Rolecop + Neighbourizer + Neighbourizer Enabler fits as far as i know. Babysitter explains how watcher and a protective can coexist. Dave's role completed the setup in a way that seems like it wouldve been hard to come up with

If instead Wake or dave-Lucky IS actually scum in the PRs, i'd say dave because Wake's gambit makes 0 sense for a scum player to do outside of WIFOM. But i find this unlikely because of dave's anger and his weird stance on
being unlynchable solely on the grounds that he is a protective. My prior townread on Wake was pretty huge from d1

Gamma's sudden reaction to Lucky still concerns me. AtE is something im not strong reading

I think you, Lucky, MT and Wake are Town, our of these I feel least strongly on Wake just because it’s pretty much just because of the role

I don’t have any leads on who is scum but I can probably figure it out through a mix of PoE and scumhunting at this point

I just need to actually do that

Please do, it'd be really helpful

I fully agree on the worsening situation of Gamma's slot due to the events that occurred between D1 and D3. Regarding the roles, I don't have enough technical knowledge to say if the composition(setup) that the game state suggests is, in fact, one hundred percent true. However, Wake's mechanical observation may have been accidentally enlightening to reveal TPRs ahead of normal time, which possibly simplifies the game's solution in the systematic VTs lynch depending on the Gamma flip. In the {Dave/Wake} context, I also believe that Dave is more likely to be town due to the progressive irritation (Hectic commented on post 1404) that he presented, something difficult to emulate as scum.

I feel that Gamma's AtE is not comparable to Dave's AtE in terms of chemical reaction, and is probably connected to the FoS on his slot that we currently share, not something that arose long before and was accumulating like a snowball, so there are more expressive chances of being fake. At the moment, it is better for him and for us to avoid the emotional sphere, as we need to understand the slot better in logical terms before we proceed (although I am convinced that this is, evidently, the best lynch for today) .

[clidd]

That's all, I guess. Waiting for the summary, Gamma.

[clidd]

Hum, Gamma, I would like your opinion about this game:

viewtopic.php?t=81613&f=55&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

You were replaced at the end of D3, but your posting frequency (85) is very similar to the number of posts here (92). The progression is basically the same: slow, with few reads and apathetic involvement with the game. Your successor was lynched on the D4, revealed as

Mafia Tracker

. The scum behavior you showed in that game is perfectly aligned with what you have shown so far here, should I consider it a coincidence ?

[clidd]

I'm back, any news from Gamma ?

[clidd]

[clidd]

Btw, clidd: I'm not sure if I've already mentioned this but I absolutely adore the Sherlock GiFs/RP. Keep doing that for as long as possible please.

Thank you, Hectic. You brightened my night (or day, depending on your time zone)

Spoiler:

[clidd]

Ok, we're lynching Gamma. He's L-2 right now, I need one more vote on him and I will hammer.

[clidd]

So Adorable is your FoS/SR ?

[clidd]

I'm testing your reaction. I still haven't felt anything towny coming from you.

[clidd]

Actually, I think you are lying in bad faith about your absence.

[clidd]

Your amnesia about the scum game I mentioned is convenient.

[clidd]

And post 1529 didn't add anything, just filled space. I mentalized the answer in seconds, so I don't know what the question was for.

[clidd]

I don't need to mention your claim out of context, do I ?

[clidd]

L-1

Last words, Gamma ?

[clidd]

You have 5~6 hours.

[clidd]

[clidd]

I was still hoping to get some emotional expression from Gamma, but I believe that the lynch was inevitable, regardless of what he showed within the stipulated period of time. Hectic was my strongest TL and his elimination is probably connected to the scum's desire to keep a partner in disguise among the PRs and hinder the PoE process, which gives more strength to what Morning commented above, of the scum pair being a player between the PRs and one among the VTs. However, at the Dave/Wake case, I really felt that Dave's emotional appeal was more expressive, so in my conception Wake is more likely to be scum. I find it difficult that both scums are among the VTs (otherwise they would have eliminated a PR and not a VT). I intend to work with these speculations more actively tomorrow, when my head is clearer and free from the percentage of alcohol I have consumed during the day.

[clidd]

I'll be checking here in 7 hours.

[clidd]

I'm back.

[clidd]

OK, so I watched Dave/Lucky slot N3 and no one visited.

Ok, plausible.

[clidd]

I have this composition in my head:

HoldenGolden -

Town Role Cop

Gamma Emerald -

Town Ascetic

LuckyLuciano -

Babysitter

Wake88 -

Watcher

SirCakez -

Town Neighborizer Enabler

Morning Tweet -

Town Neighbouriser

I'm a little confused by the mechanics, but as far as I know the normal number of PRs is usually 4, and in the composition above we have 5 claims (ignoring Gamma). Mathematically, there should be at least 1 scum among PRs.

[clidd]

I'll be home in 3 hours.

[clidd]

I'm back, reading soon.

[clidd]

These intersections of Wake x Luciano and Adorable x Bob are not TvT in my perception.

[clidd]

How long do we go round in the wifom circle of

Babysitter claim could be scum

If scum, babysitter remains alive
If babysitter claim lives, scum want us to lynch

Where are you ?

[clidd]

Luciano seems to have given up on the game. I expected an analysis of him at this point.

[clidd]

I find it difficult, it is not normal that there are so many crosses. My current guess is alternative A, considering that Luciano is very apathetic to what I expected from Town!Luciano.

[clidd]

Luciano, you have 24 to towntell or I'll advocate a flash-lynch on you.

[clidd]

If it isn't the case that both Wake and I are town, why did mafia have a jailkeeper?

Hum.

[clidd]

A 1x one at that. In other words, there is a scenario where mafia can be expected to optimally time the use of their jail. What is that scenario, if not to jail one of us and kill the other?

Can anyone with mechanical knowledge give an opinion on this ?

[clidd]

@Everyone, why is nobody suspecting Clidd of being mafia? I'm not asking because I think he's mafia, but because I haven't seen him popping up in recent PoEs.

@Clidd, mafia had a jailkeeper for a reason. It's not for the ascetic. It's not for the neighborizer. If I am town and Wake is not, then the only purpose of the jailkeeper is to prevent me from protecting someone. That doesn't make sense, because they can kill me to kill my protect target. If Wake is town and I am not, the only possible use of the jail is to jail Wake and kill his watch target. However, if they know Wake is watcher (they are using their 1x jail on him in this scenario after all), why not just kill him? Jailkeeper only makes sense if Wake and I are both town.

Makes sense. But if this is true, why it wasn't mentioned at any point in the game ?

[clidd]

Does the time at which it is mentioned have an effect on its truth value?

It depends on the perspective that you managed to get at that observation. But as it is something public (Chemist's role), I assume that maybe we didn't pay attention to it.

[clidd]

Luciano, you have 24 to towntell or I'll advocate a flash-lynch on you.

For the record, BoP is stupid and not a way to motivate me.

I would say it's more like

"start playing like Town!Luciano''

.

[clidd]

Yes, depending on the information you have as scum, different observations can happen. But in your case it does not imply that you are mafia.

[clidd]

Do you have reads besides that ? (who's scum/town)

[clidd]

The way I understand it, Wake and I are mech town. That makes the lynch pool {MT, Clidd, Profii, Bob, Adorable}. MT I think is town based on meta. Nobody seems to think you are scum. If I'm right on MT, and everyone else is right on you, then mafia is in {Profii, Bob, Adorable} and with 1 mislynch remaining we cannot lose.

It seems like a utopian solution, but I am following your reasoning. What do you think about that, Wake ?

[clidd]

I don't understand much about what Bob is talking about, but I suppose is NAI that mechanical language.

[clidd]

Eh, bullshit.

None of us, including me, are mechanically cleared.

Very rarely does mechanics 100% clear anyone.

The way I understand it, Wake and I are mech town.

That makes the lynch pool {MT, Clidd, Profii, Bob, Adorable}. MT I think is town based on meta. Nobody seems to think you are scum. If I'm right on MT, and everyone else is right on you, then mafia is in {Profii, Bob, Adorable} and with 1 mislynch remaining we cannot lose.

I don't see that at all.

Neither of us are confirmed and the more you argue for that point the more I want to break your neck.

Wake, why would you be hesitant to be treated as clear ? From the Town!Wake mentality, the more credibility and confidence you get in your role the better your chances of winning, because you are aware that you're TPR. I only see this questioning occurring if you have an intense scumread on Luciano, or if you are remembering some past negative experience similar to the current situation, which provoked the rejection of arguments involving conftown by mechanical ways.

[clidd]

We need profii back to the game or replaced.

[clidd]

I don't like Lucky's insistence on the jailkeeper point. Especially when we're not really trying to be overly concerned with mechanics. Except bob, who is speaking purely in mechanics

If we flip Lucky and he's red, we'll win. His partner is likely bob, or maybe profii I guess. We get two lynches in the event it isn't bob, but i think we'd just win after lynching bob

If we flip Lucky and he's green, and I assume Wake is green, then scum is in the VTs minus clidd: bob/adorb/profii. I don't

think

there's any way Wake is scum this game, same with clidd. With 2 scum in VTs, Bob vs. Adorable is way more likely TvS instead of theater. Therefore, if the team is just VTs, it's {bob/Adorable} + {profii}.

We have two lynches, so the only way this lynch strategy fails is if my Wake or clidd reads are wrong. Is there anyone who still thinks either of them could be scum?

I agree with your conjecture ^

[clidd]

Welcome midway.

I am not so comfortable mentally to resume the pace in this match, but I will continue to monitor. Morning controls my vote, by the way.

[clidd]

We are counting on you, Morning.

[clidd]

L-1

I'll be waiting for Morning's order to hammer.

*Intent*

[clidd]

Last words, Luciano ?

[clidd]

[clidd]

Why do you do this to me, Luciano ?

[clidd]

We aren't voting yet. I still trust Morning, but I need to take an individual look at the remaining slots. Something seems off.

[clidd]

VOTE: Mid

???

[clidd]

I was still hoping to get some emotional expression from Gamma, but I believe that the lynch was inevitable, regardless of what he showed within the stipulated period of time.

Hectic was my strongest TL and his elimination is probably connected to the scum's desire to keep a partner in disguise among the PRs

and hinder the PoE process, which gives more strength to what Morning commented above, of the

scum pair being a player between the PRs and one among the VTs

. However, at the Dave/Wake case, I really felt that Dave's emotional appeal was more expressive, so in my conception Wake is more likely to be scum.

I find it difficult that both scums are among the VTs

(otherwise they would have eliminated a PR and not a VT). I intend to work with these speculations more actively tomorrow, when my head is clearer and free from the percentage of alcohol I have consumed during the day.

Why I didn't follow this, lol.

[clidd]

I would probably lynch Adorable today instead of Midway, but I couldn't get Morning, so we would've losed anyways.

[clidd]

Well played

[clidd]

The problem I had with Bob is that I couldn't feel confident in what he was saying. There was a period when he did a mechanical spam that I honestly found incomprehensible.

[clidd]

However, I found the scum victory very deserved.