Micro 937 / Reservoir Dogs DDU / Game Over!

[Ame]

VOTE: Firesneakers

GG

[Ame]

Oh that's someone actually in the game lol?

[Ame]

If it's Iconeum, I have no regrets.

[Ame]

But no @mod I have no idea who firesneakers is my vote should not be counted, I thought it was a joke

[Ame]

Ah bugspray

[Ame]

Yes but the intent was different. You knew you were voting a player. My intention was to vote for a fake player.

It's interesting that you're trying to have the game end though.

[Ame]

Like if I voted for chocolatebunny right now and you and conspired followed suit and I claimed that it's a nickname for Iconeum, that would not suddenly make your votes valid.

[Ame]

You do. I do not.

[Ame]

I was not voting bugspray. Anymore than you voting Chocolatebunny would be voting Iconeum. Perhaps if you stated it was a nickname for bugsrpay before. But not after the fact.

[Ame]

Bugs she's probably just scum with how she's trying to convince the mods you were hammered.

[Ame]

Do you really think she's serious, Ame?

~Hex

Yes, I am just dense.

[Ame]

I'm drinking coffee to get ready for this.

[Ame]

To do list:
Why I town read "red" Isis
Why I still scum read "red" Ico
Do I still town read "reed" Isis?
Do I still scum read "reed" Ico?
Why I am town.
Who is scum?

[Ame]

You still haven't even explained why you scum read me.

[Ame]

Also you had a scum read on Conspire the entire game. What changed?

[Ame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x9lSQ1SFLE

[Ame]

What do you do, if I may ask?

[Ame]

UNVOTE:

Iconeum unvoted me here @mod

[Ame]

I'm not necessarily going to take a similar position when I find my next job but software engineer

I don't know why hearing things like this makes me happy

[Ame]

Are you saying it's a lie that I don't know why?

[Ame]

Ok, yes it is a lie. It makes me happy seeing women in STEM fields and it makes me happy when my friends do wonderful things.

[Ame]

Why I town read (red) Isis

I did fabricate my townlean on Shiki, I wanted to round out and balance my list and I don't really townread anybody

I kind of had to scrounge deep to round out my list.

This is where I initially began to town lean her. In Chiptune Mafia I was tunneled on Isis until she made a unique comment about thinking Conspire was the user Eve because Eve is a troll that would steal someones avatar (link). This reminded me of that in that it was so out there that I felt it was more likely to be true than to have come from scum.

ah, not the duck but the bug

Yeah well if it quacks like it's a duck then it's a duck but I don't plan on fuckin dying. I'm gonna make it out of here with my goddamn money like a professional and I'm gonna do it alive!

Shiki did you roll scum this game??

i did not; i rolled a nice guy.

Hey, Freddy! I've been waiting for you to show up. What the fuck happened? The fuckin cops showed up out of nowhere.

ok now I want a flavor massclaim just from the offchance this was a scumslip

After Shiki and Isis explained to me that Isis wasn't previously aware Mr. Orange = Freddy, this suspicion came off as genuine to me. In particular, the follow-up explanation:

Spoiler:

ah, not the duck but the bug

Yeah well if it quacks like it's a duck then it's a duck but I don't plan on fuckin dying. I'm gonna make it out of here with my goddamn money like a professional and I'm gonna do it alive!

Shiki did you roll scum this game??

i did not; i rolled a nice guy.

Hey, Freddy! I've been waiting for you to show up. What the fuck happened? The fuckin cops showed up out of nowhere.

ok now I want a flavor massclaim just from the offchance this was a scumslip

ooc: flavor is randomized (look at a role pm) i don't really see how this is relevant. i misremembered a detail of a movie i havent watched in years. this overration to my nai roleplaying mistake is definitely alignment indicative

It's not an overreaction. Shiki hasn't claimed her flavor yet, and if it it's Freddy, it could indicate you knew she was Freddie from your role PM or N0 scum PT and forgot that wasn't public info when you used it to enhance your roleplaying. It is likely you just picked a random character, which we would find out when she claims her flavor.
It's not really necessary for everyone to flavor claim, just the real Freddy would be enough.

There's also about a 1/9th chance she's Freddy and you totally didn't know that at all as town but I'll take that risk on.

this player list has nobody I want to day1 kill out of prejudice ahh

This is small, but I feel like this

all

the time. But when I'm scum I want to get rid of people that know me as quickly as possible (eliminating Kanna and shiki in Hungarian 2 for example). I felt like scum!Isis wouldn't have this feeling of not wanting to lynch someone she liked.

Can scum tell me whether this setup is fun for scum
I feel like the low pressure of who cares if a lynch is wrong there are two of them, would like make it low stress and chill?
write it in the scum pt so I can find it postgame
you can also post it here and say it's resoivoir dogs spoilers and only I will read it, everyone else has already seen the movie and doesn't care or doesn't want to spoil it
I am plenty sure it's not my kind of movie already
I was disingenuous to shiki to bulli her

259 and 260 can be town S_S but like I think it's objectively yuck that that's so
I disagree with so much of how he approaches mafia
if nothing is happen effing do something?
like
I don't even care if you do something good
just do something
play mafia
it's a fun game
why do you want other people to play it for you while you watch

These are the posts where I began to hard town read her. The first just came off to me like she genuinely wasn't scum. She also had another post asking enter why she wouldn't get to have day chat. I understand that things like this can be faked, it just seemed genuine to me. The S_S post felt like she was really frustrated. Although now reading this, I see that she wasn't saying 256 and 260 were more likely townie. That was my initial reason for town reading this because it showed she was being objective despite the frustration. Now knowing that she was actually shading him here, I do not like it. Looking at the post below it 275 she also used the term "objectively scummy" and that is also a bad look. That's such a strange way to phrase a scum read. It's like she knows he's not scum so has to make it objectively scummy. I liked the nuance of this case initially, but looking at it again, this line seems disingenuous: "It implies AI material exists in the thread and he's sensed as much." I'll think about this more when I get to the reevaluation part of my checklist.

277 was a good followup and I agreed (and still agree) with the point.

Lastly, her paranoia that me and Jake were partners felt real (598). And I didn't think scum!Isis would quickhammer and put herself in the open.

[Ame]

Isis given my reasoning above, do you (1) still think it is strange that I town read you, and (2) is it still the case that you believe all of the above is within your scum range?

[Ame]

I'm more curious if you think it's strange that it was possible for me to be town reading you, as you said before. Additionally, if you thought it was weird that I have been able to have a town read on you, why do you not think it is strange that Iconeum has?

[Ame]

It was your justification for voting me before.

[Ame]

Isis, your inability to substantiate your scum read is concerning

Ame you've been acting like you know my alignment for like a really long time and you've only pushed town all game? I wish I could substantiate more too really

you've only pushed town all game?

I've already dismantled this, however. It is an irrational way to read someone as applying the reasoning to yourself would indicate you are scum. You have pushed exactly the same number of town players as I have. Please state why you believe it is scum indicative for me considering my accuracy in previous games?

You still haven't even explained why you scum read me.

So Isis both of the reasons you provided for why you scum read me have been nullified. You agree that it is reasonable for me to have a town read on you, and it is a fallacy that pushing town players is at all a scum tell. So I ask again, why are you scumreading me?

[Ame]

In what ways do you find me obvtown? Additionally, I would like a serious answer. I would like to actually win this game, which means we need to actually process our thoughts together. And yes I did watch it.

[Ame]

Not needless. The romantic subplot between Mr Orange and Mr White is what made the film.

[Ame]

And you genuinely believe that town reading me means you should scum read me?

[Ame]

For the record, I didn't watch it for research purposes as Shiki did since the flavor is NAI. I watched it because I hadn't heard of it before and the trailer was intriguing.

[Ame]

Why on earth is intriguing spelled that way. It's gross.

[Ame]

Ame, do you think this post is townie or scummy? Also that post?

I don't think the first post is AI. I've seen him make statements like that before (as scum), but I don't think it's something that necessarily comes from scum. The second post is incredibly scummy and disproves his claim that he was just poking because he seems to genuinely believe what his argument there. I'll show why it's scummy in my next post.

[Ame]

The below are why the second post is scummy. Ico making genuine pushes based on superficial reasoning is his primary and perhaps only consistent scum tell. I don't know why RCE didn't pick up on this considering he picked up on it in HBE. The idea that you would be so blatant as to openly declare

that you have to balance your reads

because you were scum who felt they needed to do so is absurd. And Ico confirmed in that post that he was truly making that argument: "feeling like you *have* to have a balanced read list is imo a scumtell tho."

This is so surface level thinking. I don't think I've ever expected level 1 thoughts out of you.

Seen it before:

Spoiler:

VOTE: DrDoLittle

for voting a townie

Voting a townie isn't scum indicative. Voting a townie that is playing towny is.

do you consider your vote on DDL an rvs vote or are you serious about it?

VOTE: ame

That is neat.

Voting a townie isn't scum indicative. Voting a townie that is playing towny is.

do you consider your vote on DDL an rvs vote or are you serious about it?

Yes

No cheating

Answer the question please (RVS vote or serious?)

Both. I always make an educated vote in RVS based on the available data. However, because the data is so limited, even an educated guess approaches randomness. In this case, I made a guess based on the gut reaction of

two posts

, so while it was "serious," it should hardly be taken seriously. But say like the game had to be decided right there, I would have voted DDL based on the information available.

Voting a townie isn't scum indicative. Voting a townie that is playing towny is.

Things are going to be

hectic

with you around.

VOTE: Hectic

VOTE: compath serious vote

In particular, I read Compath's joke as forced because the hectic pun is obvious and seems like something that has probably been made many times. From this, I thought Compath was either,

A. Awkward scum
B. Someone who has played with hectic and was hinting at who he was

The latter was my interpretation after thinking about it, and if it were the case it was town indicative to me because it would be unnecessarily putting himself out there / providing information to hectic. I scum read DDL for his serious vote because I felt he also picked up on the awkwardness, but instead of thinking it through to the alternative option (B), he stopped at (A), which was scum indicative to me (pushing over sorting).

can we please get some votes on this please

it's such a bad faked scumread

Let me rephrase that

You read compath like he's awkward scum
But you somehow go to a hard townread on it

and you then proceed to scumread someone who's scumreading and voting someone YOU read like awkward scum?

i don't know how to phrase this properly but i hope ya'll understand lol

You're way overthinking things or just going for LHF. I begin the game thinking from the start, no matter how little there is to go on. That being said, it's still very much just (virtually random) conjecture at that point. My opinion on both Compath changed within the same page (I didn't like Compath's responses and I liked DDL ignoring us). Compath being solid townie was hyperbole / RVS shenanegans.

Compath being solid townie was hyperbole / RVS shenanegans.

well no

you just said it was a serious read?

Spoiler:

I did read those, and I don't see the link.

They are both pushes in bad faith made to set me up to fail regardless of my responses. In strawberry you put me in a position where if I responded that my ddl vote

was

serious it would mean I was scum and if my ddl vote

wasn't serious

it would mean I was scum. Such arguments typically agenda-driven as they leave no way for you to conclude that the player is town. Similarly, here there was no path for you path for you to conclude that I was town (or that my actions were NAI) regardless of how I answered. For example, 734 disproved your 730 which undermined your argument in 724. A solve-oriented person pushing in good faith would conclude there that my actions/reasoning were consistent with my perspective and therefore the case was invalid. You, however, simply ignored 734 and continued on with your read without further consideration and with nothing new to support it. Furthermore, you asked me a question that presumably was meant to get a better read on me, which I answered in 740 (and which I believe was fairly town indicative based on the points made and the stream of conscious nature); however, you did not follow up on it and again continued your push without further consideration and nothing new to back it up.

Furthermore, your read was based on superficial scuminess, which is often indicative that a player is intentionally eschewing deeper analysis, as doing so would conflict with their agenda. In particular, I am referring to these two things:

Your desperate seesawing if orange is telling enough.

I love stuff like this and it's why it's so easy to win as scum. If I were scum here I'd definitely be defending town!Orange for this very reason. It increases paranoia, making town more likely to lynch them. Then on their town flip I look good.

Kind of what ddl was doing earlier.

wait this

is

what you are doing

lol

VOTE: madoka

'scum!me defends orange because of the easy credit i'd get when he flips town'

-> defends orange like a boss

thanks

VOTE: OrangeAssuming that Looker is counterclaiming. Will switch back if s[he] denies.

can we please lynch this?

They are both pressing on superficial aspects about my play while ignoring the motivation/intent from town/scum!Madoka.

[Ame]

Because you don't find my reasoning convincing, or because you do?

[Ame]

Why on earth is intriguing spelled that way. It's gross.

intriging has a soft 'g'. intrigging has a short 'i' for the second 'i'. It's the minimum number of letters for phonetic pronunciation to be unambiguous, unlike many English words. What has it done to earn your criticism? Intreegging would work I guess but doesn't develop from its French etymology naturally at all.
Are you interested by artificial languages?

Like Klingon? Or in like making the ultimate and efficient human language? Yes to both.

I've always thought the 'u' went before the 'ig,' so as to be spelled 'intruiging.'

[Ame]

Why I still scum read (red) Ico despite the meta he provided

You must, however, kill my N1 because if Shiki + Enigma does not end the game, I will most certainly tunnel you.

yeah great idea give scum a roadmap on the later days

This doesn't seem like something to actually be concerned about..?

I haven't had enough coffee for this

i actually townread this post

like seriously

This was not townread worthy.

I've got a hard time sorting Isis here

He just said he town read her.

but like, i don't feel that scum!Isis would just blatantly state that he hasn't voted for Hectic before as town, only as scum?

This is not town read worthy.

VOTE: mr pink

everyone townreading this slot can fight me over this

let's go

Going for the LHF. See: 1352

yeah that gif pretty much sums up my thoughts wrt that

i have no clue what to make of it

it's almost like i have a hard time reading isis

Really? Really??? I don't believe that he legitimately thought this was even remotely a scum tell.

UNVOTE: Jake the Wolfie
Ok, vote him, it won't be a lynch
I promise to be good.
I promise.

I would never betray you.
Never.

You cannot fool me goddess turned terrorist organization.

VOTE: Jake the Wolfie
You know I'm also voting RCEnigma right?
I recommend the podcast "Caliphate" based on your apparent interests. It's pretty good.

i mean, i know i don't know a ton about scum interactions, but i don't think this is it
(i mean i don't think this is S/S like EVER)

This interaction was not worthy of clearing us as scummates.

Overall Ico is town reading for reasons that are unwarranted, going after LHF, and interpreting things on a surface level. I gave Ico the benefit of the doubt regarding his surface pushes because he provided meta where he opened the game in similar ways to get things going, but (a) he continued to do it and (b) his posts showed that he

wasn't

actually just trying to get things going and was making a genuine argument.

[Ame]

hold up, hold up i have something to say.

Ame, I want to ask you one thing: did you look at Ico's meta earlier?

~enlightened

Yes, my post above should address your concern.

[Ame]

I think this is a town slip. And I think it is genuine. I think Pink is town.

Hey, Ame, I don't like your confidence here. If genuine, why was that a townslip? Scum could also be confused about the setup, unless they were specifically planning out mislynches/path to victory during the time they could talk in night 1.

~Hoplite

It seems less likely if they are scum because they would have a partner to discuss things with over the night. I'm not confident, however.

[Ame]

omg it's about mememeeeee?

[Ame]

im scared

[Ame]

Hm and Ico was town in that game?

[Ame]

Your post was made before mine? That is uncanny!!

[Ame]

That is soooo weeeeird

[Ame]

Do I still town read (reed) Isis?

Spoiler:

I'm going to skip this one for now.

[Ame]

I'm thinking it over Kanna. He even did that same s/s clearing as he did here!

then alternatively come join the QQ wagon ~perhaps a good ol wagon can get your reads fired up

sure.

VOTE: QuantumQuasar

ok im actually mildly shocked you did that but let me just sit on that for a bit

ask and you shall receive.

doubt that was s/s interaction
definitely a good read

[Ame]

Are you asking me what games I've read? Also, you're Kanna?

[Ame]

Do I still scum read (reed) Iconeum?

Revisitng my 1361 in light of the meta Conspire provided, I think the following points are still valid.

Spoiler:

1

I haven't had enough coffee for this

i actually townread this post

like seriously

I've got a hard time sorting Isis here

He just said he town read her.

2

but like, i don't feel that scum!Isis would just blatantly state that he hasn't voted for Hectic before as town, only as scum?

This is not town read worthy.

3

yeah that gif pretty much sums up my thoughts wrt that

i have no clue what to make of it

it's almost like i have a hard time reading isis

Really? Really??? I don't believe that he legitimately thought this was even remotely a scum tell.


Overall Ico is town reading for reasons that are unwarranted, and interpreting things on a surface level. I gave Ico the benefit of the doubt regarding his surface pushes because he provided meta where he opened the game in similar ways to get things going, but (a) he continued to do it and (b) his posts showed that he

wasn't

actually just trying to get things going and was making a genuine argument.

The others I believe to be NAI as town!Ico.does.that.

Point 1 alludes to pseudosolving, considering that his statements were a couple of posts apart.
Point 2 this also alludes to pseudosolving, and also tmi because the read isn't warranted. Is it really believable that scum!Isis wouldn't say this?
Point 3 appears theatrical. It would be difficult to believe that he sincerely thought that Isis' discrepancy there was telling. Something like "I don't really think anything of it?" is what I believe a town response would have been.

As I mentioned the other day, however, I think the most telling point about Ico's alignment is his play in today in lylo. Ok actually, I just read through Ico's play today and a lot of it comes off as kind of townie... I had been skimming it up until now. These are the posts that hardened my read before:

Spoiler:

Isis, your inability to substantiate your scum read is concerning

Prediction: Ico calls out my post as being hypocritical

OMG THAT'S SO HYPOC-

wait

VOTE: ame

you are literally aware of the fact you are calling me scum and are unable to 'substantiate' it yourself
but when someone else does that it's concerning?

town!ame wouldn't be shading her townread for doing what she is doing herself

Let us talk it through to see if we can come to an understanding between each other first.

you already made it clear you don't wanna engage with me

hypocrisie isn't a scumtell sure

but you are 'concerned' about your townread when she's doing the exact same thing you are doing and if ur town that's just not genuine

Ico pls to unvote

i'm not lynching outside of (ame/ame/ame/ame/ame) so i don't really see why i should unvote

she didn't get lynched overnight so i'm also curious to see what you think of that

I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR ANYONE TO TALK TO ME ABOUT READS FOR LITERALLY DAYS

ISIS IS PROBS TOWN BUT SHE ONLY TALKS CATTISH AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT TOO BUT I DON'T THINK THE MESSAGE IS COMING ACROSS

CONSPIRE IS LURKING
YOU ARE LURKING AS SEEN HOW YOU ONLY STARTED TO POST WHEN I VOTED YOU
MR PINK ISNT LURKING HE'S JUST GONE

forgive me when I don't have the patience when I feel scum is trying to drag this along probably hoping for a miracle

I had made it very clear to Ico that I just needed rest and would come back and play the game, but he deliberately ignored that and claimed otherwise while pushing me in lylo. It came off to me as if he was trying to make the final play there. Additionally, his reaction is identical to the post I quoted from HBE: 1352. In that game, I made a statement about how this is what I would be doing as scum, and Ico jumped on it and claimed that is what I was doing and continued to push that line of thought. It may honestly just be that Ico finds people being aware of their process as genuinely something that he should find scummy (ex: Isis wanting to round out her reads). It's hard to say given the meta he and Conspire provided; however, I do think there may be one way to distinguish between town!Ico poking and scum!Ico agenda-pushing: when he makes the push and its duration. In HBE, I initially took his push on me as him trying to figure me out. It wasn't until later in the day when he had continued to use it as his reason for voting me that I realized he was legitimately pushing me. Additionally, this was later on in the day after we had a lot of content to go off of. The meta Conspire provided was early game Ico and so is a valid counter to Ico's early game surface pushing (as was the meta Ico provided before). But it's when Ico genuinely makes a push on such things in critical moments that I think it becomes scum indicative. So overall, I think Ico's push there is scum indicative, considering the circumstances (lylo, me promising content in the future and he ignoring it, and indication from Isis that she was likely to vote me).

That being said, I am not entirely sold on Ico being scum just yet. I would like to review the others before forming a conclusion and I need to look again at his play today in context (rather than ISO).

[Ame]

leading us to a flawless scum victory (I was town).

[Ame]

...did you not see the post above that?

[Ame]

Or all of my posts starting from 1295?

[Ame]

Also bugspray if there was any signaling going on, it was the post by Conspire here:

VOTE: ame

Oh yeah, because of no daychat, it's actually going to be kind of difficult for scum to quickhammer.

It might be worth sitting around with an un

vote

ready at random times

if you catch my drift

.

~Hoplite

[Ame]

I'm sorry to hear that bugs

[Ame]

lol

[Ame]

Who is scum? (Part1)

I currently think Conspire has the highest chance of flipping scum.

Conspire, that town read on me from my AtE seems way too MI. Especially if you thought I was scum overnight. Could it perhaps be that you have chosen to read me as so because I am so willingly aligning myself with you? This is rhetorical. Your reasoning for scum reading Jake also seems quite superficial. And your reasoning for excluding Isis and Ame as partners with him seems quite forced and unreasonable:

Also, I think this makes Isis/Ame more town if Jake flips scum. If Jake's scum with one of Isis/Ame, I think he's more likely to just put RCEnigma alone on L-1. Putting exactly the two town of those 3 on L-1, but not his scum buddy would look sus, and putting everyone on L-1 if he's scum with one of them is risky for obvious reasons; both scum are then on L-1.

I sill hold onto this, particularly the first point. If Conspire was coming into the day with the mindset that I was scum, I don't think they change their mind in that short amount of time just because of my AtE post which was very out of character from me:

Spoiler:

I think Ame's town for the last couple of pages? It's an entirely tonal/emotional read; I don't think Ame would use this kind of emotional manipulation and resort to saying stuff like this if she was scum:

Listen pops I would never compliment you if I were scum. I avoid expressing admiration when I'm scum because I don't want people to think I'm manipulating them. Look at my last scum game, Hungarian 2. I was very cold because I really like Shiki and Farkran but I felt bad manipulating them so I kept a distance. I love you pops. I wouldn't use that to manipulate you.

She doesn't strike me as the sort of person to use AtE like that as scum. Overnight, Cosmic & Esper thought it was probably Ame + Jake, but now Jake + Ico/Pink? Isis is probably still town.

@Ame; where does this confidence of Jake flipping town come from? I struggle to see him flipping town.

~Eevees

Scumreading Jake for his self-preservation multi-vote also seems to me like a generic reason to scum read someone. Both heads of the hydra tend to look deeply into motivation and I just don't think they scum read someone for this.

double-clicked submit @_@. But please answer this:

Out of curiosity, what meta did you do of Ico, Ame?

Also, what's your experience with Iconeum?

~enlightened

I think this questioning comes from scum!Kanna, hence my question in 1394. What was the purpose of this question? How would my answer help you? Also, you should be aware of my experience with Ico because you did a meta-analysis of it, were in the game we first played together in (Strawberry), and read Hard Boiled Eggs. Also, what was the purpose of providing me the Iconeum meta over this page? Was it to challenge the points I was making or 눈‸눈??? You didn't seem to come to a conclusion on whether this was scum or town Ico. You posted the similarities between our cases and never followed up with what it meant.

[Ame]

Part 1.1 (More on Conspire)

Another thing about Conspire as that they seem to be doing a lot of random shading:

Spoiler:

I think this is a town slip. And I think it is genuine. I think Pink is town.

Hey, Ame, I don't like your confidence here. If genuine, why was that a townslip? Scum could also be confused about the setup, unless they were specifically planning out mislynches/path to victory during the time they could talk in night 1.

~Hoplite

Really? My eyebrows raised after reading that post. I don't think Ame would sincerely think you were trying to manipulate the mods in bad faith.

~Hex

becaus ei always fuck up lylo scum would absolutely want me alive for lylo and would never ever want to lynch me. THEREFORE why would isis push me just before lylo? it just doesnt make sense

Is this the push that convinced you Isis was town based on the logic above:

Bugspray hated hammering townies as scum. That's his meta, to me

VOTE: unvote isis

That's how I know you are the real deal, Isis. There's a reason I ain't pointing my gun your way no more. I trust you a lot more. Do you still want me to fire the shot at Jake? I'm kinda feelin' it now.

Because I don't see that as much of a push at all. All she's doing is commenting on a similarity of what you're doing there with a previous instance of you being scum. If anything, by your logic, it actually points towards her indicating some suspicion of you for lylo AFTER Jake is mislynched.

~Hex

UNVOTE:

What convinced you to unvote here, Ico? You seemed certain and deadset on Ame!scum. Isis wasn't asking you to unvote, and neither were we. This is what Ame said:

But most likely Ico is just scum and was banking on Isis to quick follow his vote.

So why did you?

~Hex

It's like they are trying to keep us suspicious of one another. Every time someone brings up a reason to town read one of Isis, Pink, Ame they try to dismantle it. Additionally, they don't seem to really be trying to figure out the game. It's like they are swimming on the perimeter waiting to strike.

[Ame]

Every time someone brings up a reason to town read one of Isis, Pink, Ame they try to dismantle it.

I'd like to repeat this for emphasis.

[Ame]

Failing to bring us to her conclusions seemed like NAI or TI poor workmanship, Ame, you can't conflate wrong with town.

I'm confused about a meta of Hectic that he looks deeply into motivations when he's town.... sorry Hectic... don't be mad...

I think Pink Ame is my favorite team right now.

I've seen town Kanna and scum Kanna in action. Scum Kanna pretends to be thinking through things, but holds off on forming a conclusion so she has the flexibility to maneuver and so that she is associated with saying something indicative. Town Kanna is much more bold in her interpretations.

[Ame]

Isis can you state your reason for scumreading me? I keep asking you this because you keep coming back to scum!me out of paranoia and I am trying to reignite your reasoning centers when it happens. It is an irrational fear resulting from your experience with Purgatory. I know it shook you, but I am not scum here. Look back on your town case of me and see if you can find holes in it. Approach this with the prefrontal cortex, not the amygdala.

[Ame]

What happened to this, Ame?

And Jake's multi-vote was very scummy. There's one thing to vote to vote 1 person you don't scumread out of self-preservation, but voting anyone and everyone he could put on L-1 is a different matter.

Could you elaborate on the first line?

And why is voting more than 1 person you don't scumread different than voting 1 out of self-preservation?

[Ame]

What happened to this, Ame?

And Jake's multi-vote was very scummy. There's one thing to vote to vote 1 person you don't scumread out of self-preservation, but voting anyone and everyone he could put on L-1 is a different matter.

Could you elaborate on the first line?

And why is voting more than 1 person you don't scumread different than voting 1 out of self-preservation?

You said our explanation made sense. Why doesn't it anymore?

~Hex

I think it makes sense, but I don't think it's reasonable given the time frame and the way the read was stated in question form.

[Ame]

And why is voting more than 1 person you don't scumread different than voting 1 out of self-preservation?

Because there's a difference between trying to get the worst of the 3 lynched out of self-preservation rather than just trying to get any of the 3 lynched because you don't care as long as it's not you. There's layers to it.

~Hex

No...Self-preservation is self-preservation. You only know your alignment, so lynching anyone unless they are cleared is better than yourself.

[Ame]

Perhaps I should phrase it as "I don't think it's the

reality

given the time frame"

[Ame]

Also, I'm not questioning to "dismantle people's townreads" on each, it's to question into people's motivations/reasoning and see if their reads are real. You're looking at my actions from a very surface-layery standpoint.

~Hex

No, I realize that's what you're trying to present. But the pattern is clear. Have you questioned Isis' Ico town read in the same way? If so, that invalidates this point.

[Ame]

There's a reason self-preservation is a scumtell though. Scum care more badly about being lynched than town. So yes, looking at the level of it is relevant.

~Hex

Self-preservation when it comes to lynching someone other than your self is not a scum tell.

[Ame]

What do you mean about being stated in question form?

~Hex

I think Ame's town for the last couple of pages?

This and the time frame (~20 min between posts) lead me to doubt the sincerity of the read.

[Ame]

You mislynched all sorts of townies and then shot shiki wanting to mislynch her. You kill so many people and they're all town. That makes it more likely you have been protecting yourself and a partner all game

I mislynched one player. I did not shoot Shiki. This is an invalid reason to scum read me. Additionally, it is fairly obvious that the Shiki shot was meant to put me in a bad light.

[Ame]

Are you saying it's Ico + Conspire?

Most likely, yes. But I am not certain.

[Ame]

5Pink1232414, all 123413413we55565 have 5365656to 536356do5365 is 536563convince356563 Isis adfea34525423to 245454523vote245532 Conspire2452454235 and24524524 we 24545435have252345435454 this2452452. Gett54646 ready!

[Ame]

I town read S_S and Jake and wanted neither lynched. Did your forget that you quick striked S_S after I joke voted?


Additionally, you keep bringing up being on town wagons as scum indicative, but I've refuted this multiple times. You've yet to address this and explain why my votes differ from yours and the other players.

[Ame]

For your sake. It was the only route that led to some chance of winning. Had he not been lynched, he would have been the game winning mislynch today.

[Ame]

And the more I resisted the Jake lynch, the more you would have suspected he and I were the team. It was all I could do. Jake was always going to be lynched.

[Ame]

For the record, resisting is exactly what scum!ame would have done. To make you more likely to vote him while I get the credit for not being on. I mentioned this in the post I quoted from HBE (the one that Ico jumped on). And also in the Hungarian scum chat with Eve. Scum ame keeps her hands clean and lets townies do the mislynching.

[Ame]

What was the special way of reading me you picked up from Partition?

[Ame]

Yes, I think you mentioned something about it at the day start.

[Ame]

What do you mean about being stated in question form?

~Hex

I think Ame's town for the last couple of pages?

This and the time frame (~20 min between posts) lead me to doubt the sincerity of the read.

So your concern is the amount of time it took for me to state the read? I don't see why that should be the case; I didn't have to look rrhough any meta, it was an assessment of your character/personality. Also, the question shows unsureness, how is that scummy?

~Hex

Which one of you made that post?

[Ame]

I've seen town Kanna and scum Kanna in action. Scum Kanna pretends to be thinking through things, but holds off on forming a conclusion so she has the flexibility to maneuver and so that she is associated with saying something indicative. Town Kanna is much more bold in her interpretations.

Also self meta, but if you think I never hide reads as town, that is orz. Even in partition, I never outright said I scumread you while in my head, you were my biggest scumread next to Raya. In the gamethatshallnotbenamed, I gamethrew by not making my scumreads clear. thinking about this brings me so much pain

~enlightened

So, do you scum read me here?

[Ame]

I think this questioning comes from scum!Kanna, hence my question in 1394. What was the purpose of this question? How would my answer help you? Also, you should be aware of my experience with Ico because you did a meta-analysis of it, were in the game we first played together in (Strawberry), and read Hard Boiled Eggs. Also, what was the purpose of providing me the Iconeum meta over this page? Was it to challenge the points I was making or 눈‸눈??? You didn't seem to come to a conclusion on whether this was scum or town Ico. You posted the similarities between our cases and never followed up with what it meant.

It would help me figure out if you're genuine in your Ico push or not. Having been in an Ico towngame recently, my whole approach to him changed. Furthermore, even reading an Ico towngame (TL micro) somewhat changed my opinion:

Micro 892: TL micro maf

i read some of Micro 892: TL micro and I guess you mean the Bella tunnel? .....because i actually kind of see it

If you were anything like I was in that game, I expected you to think something similar. I think you said you read this game right? Given Ico's style, I think he can be an convenient push

~enlightened

What answer would have been scum indicative and what answer would have been town indicative to you?

Additionally, you were already aware of my experience with Ico were you not?

[Ame]

I think this is a town slip. And I think it is genuine. I think Pink is town.

Hey, Ame, I don't like your confidence here. If genuine, why was that a townslip? Scum could also be confused about the setup, unless they were specifically planning out mislynches/path to victory during the time they could talk in night 1.

~Hoplite

It seems less likely if they are scum because they would have a partner to discuss things with over the night. I'm not confident, however.

This doesn't reflect your original confidence in the read.

There's nothing about "I think this is a town slip. And I think it is genuine. I think Pink is town." that's unconfident.

~Hex

Yes it does and yes there is.

[Ame]

meta is overrated

VOTE: Isis

[Ame]

UNVOTE:

[Ame]

What do you mean about being stated in question form?

~Hex

I think Ame's town for the last couple of pages?

This and the time frame (~20 min between posts) lead me to doubt the sincerity of the read.

So your concern is the amount of time it took for me to state the read? I don't see why that should be the case; I didn't have to look rrhough any meta, it was an assessment of your character/personality. Also, the question shows unsureness, how is that scummy?

~Hex

Which one of you made that post?

Spoiler:

~Hex

You made the "Ame is town from this last page?" post?

[Ame]

Yes...

~Hex

Ok, that's worse. The only doubt I had was that Kanna made the post which would explain the question format. Sigh.

[Ame]

Reading/playing with town!ico is slightly scum indicative. Specifically TL Micro since I came up with ^ that conclusion. The Bella tunnel was very...weird. Did you read it or did you not read it? A town indicative answer would be you read/seen none of Ico's towngames or otherwise.

Also no, i don't + if you read games, there's no way i could know which you read

~enlightened

I didn't read the game you were in, no. How would reading his other games be scum indicative? We went through this whole thing at the beginning of the day. I made a post about how the meta he provided sufficiently countered my argument at the beginning of the day. And I explained in my post yesterday why I still believed it to be scum!Ico. So, I really don't see what the purpose of asking me this question was. It's the same as when you asked me about my RQS in Strawberry.

You were in Strawberry, you're aware I'm Madoka, and you read HBE. So you surely you had to be aware of my experience with them.

[Ame]

Yes...

~Hex

Ok, that's worse. The only doubt I had was that Kanna made the post which would explain the question format. Sigh.

If you're implying posting things in a questioning tone is a scumtell for me, you are truly lost in the Fujikasane Mountain?

~Hex

I am not. It's just this particular instance. The question format there is just really insincere. But if it was Kanna that posted it, it could be nullified since it would be more natural for her to make a statement in this way. Also I think I discussed how I don't use emotion to manipulate as scum in Strawberry so the read would make sense coming from her.

[Ame]

Ame if we're town together and I'm bad which scumteam is it, Conspire/Iconeum or Conspire/Pink?

Why ask me this when I've stated I think Conspire/Ico is the most likely?

I am not sure yet, though. I'm not even sure on Conspire.

[Ame]

Lylo is what I mean

[Ame]

Leafeaon

[Ame]

Actually Flareon

[Ame]

Kanna, the thing is, it doesn't matter what games I looked through because I addressed the point you are trying to make here:

I gave Ico the benefit of the doubt regarding his surface pushes because he provided meta where he opened the game in similar ways to get things going, but (a) he continued to do it and (b) his posts showed that he wasn't actually just trying to get things going and was making a genuine argument.

I don't remember which games they were. I just looked through the ones Ico provided to see if his claim matched up and it did. Points a and b above are the reasons why I still think this is probably scum Ico. I also went into depth about this in the bottom paragraph of 1418 if you haven't read it yet.

What I don't get is you asked me whether or not I went into his meta and I pointed you to the above post here:

hold up, hold up i have something to say.

Ame, I want to ask you one thing: did you look at Ico's meta earlier?

~enlightened

Yes, my post above should address your concern.

And your followup implies that you read it:

I'll need to think about things

~enlightened

So I don't get why you asked me after that—again—if I had read them. I agree that early game Ico does surfaces pushes as either alignment. The counter I am making here is that scum!Ico

continues

with the same form of reasoning throughout the game as legitimate pushes.

[Ame]

The only two players in this game that haven't made a convincing showing of trying to sort each other are

Fire Sneakers and Enter

Ame and Pink and that's like this big reason it seems like the solve to me

I can't speak for Pink, but the scum game of bugs that I played with them, they were fairly obvious. Their play is so dramatically different from there that they've just been low on my radar. I'm still going to get to them, they're just on the bottom of my list.

[Ame]

This is the game: viewtopic.php?f=84&t=82613

(I also replaced into a game where they were tone and their tone was similar to here, particular the asking about mylo bit)

[Ame]

town*

[Ame]

I think it might be Kanao Tsuyuri.

~Hex

[Ame]

Because it's Junko-chan and she robbed me of a town win.

[Ame]

You kind of TMI'd him town

I'm laughing out loud. You keep saying this. But it's just the way I speak

[Ame]

71% win for scum

I'm Mr. Blonde

Think town!Ame shouldn't feel robbed

I was referring to this:

Spoiler:

I'm almost certain the team is Furret + Looker and Furret is currently attempting to sway Raya. I'll elaborate later, I just need time.

Raya I see that you crossed off Furret + Looker, but please reevaluate. Furret has not ever had Looker as their top choice.

VOTE: Raya36

VOTE: Raya36

VOTE: raya

The Scum team consisting of Looker and Captain the Furret Wins!

Why...

Junko I was certain I would be able to convince you and Raya :/

Thinking about it, the situation is similar though. This is also the game that bugs was in. The only difference is that I never thought we would win this. The only chance was lynching RCE and Jake; and Shiki being alive. We needed Shiki.

[Ame]

The mult-voting mechanic, the fact that I scum leaned so many players D1, and the relationship dynamics made this an almost universal town win. There were only 5 out of 12,642 ways of winning, and unfortunately we are in the hardest one.

[Ame]

scum win*

[Ame]

You're ignoring what I'm actually saying though.

[Ame]

I made this post before you went into the meta on page 56:

I gave Ico the benefit of the doubt regarding his surface pushes because he provided meta where he opened the game in similar ways to get things going, but (a) he continued to do it and (b) his posts showed that he wasn't actually just trying to get things going and was making a genuine argument.

Points A and B already answer why I believe this is different from the meta you provided afterward. The meta you linked on page 56 is of early game Ico, is it not? And his pushes were also a way of scumhunting? What I believe to be indicative is when he isn't pushing surface content for the sake of scumhunting, but when he is pushing it for the sake of actually lynching the person. He made it clear that his push on Isis at the beginning of the day was genuine. And he tried to lynch me earlier for the hypocrisy joke.

[Ame]

Would you say you think it's "deathtunneling" in the same way as it did in strawberry D1 (you/luca/clidd)?

~enlightened

Why are you asking me this? This is what I mean. I don't think this is a town!Kanna question.

[Ame]

Are you trying to read Ico or are you trying to read me? Do you have a read on either of us?

[Ame]

What is your conclusion on Ico and what is your conclusion on me? Also I remember this conversation.

[Ame]

Everyone might be scum. Do you think I am scum? And which of Ico/Isis do you think is scum?

[Ame]

The answer to 1571 is right above:

You're ignoring what I'm actually saying though.

I made this post before you went into the meta on page 56:

I gave Ico the benefit of the doubt regarding his surface pushes because he provided meta where he opened the game in similar ways to get things going, but (a) he continued to do it and (b) his posts showed that he wasn't actually just trying to get things going and was making a genuine argument.

Points A and B already answer why I believe this is different from the meta you provided afterward. The meta you linked on page 56 is of early game Ico, is it not? And his pushes were also a way of scumhunting? What I believe to be indicative is when he isn't pushing surface content for the sake of scumhunting, but when he is pushing it for the sake of actually lynching the person. He made it clear that his push on Isis at the beginning of the day was genuine. And he tried to lynch me earlier for the hypocrisy joke.

[Ame]

1570*

[Ame]

I don't know if I've read TL Micro. I skimmed through the openings of the games Ico provided D1. Also, I haven't mentioned anything about deathtunnels.

[Ame]

So who do you think is the likely team, Kanna. Which of Ame and Pink is scum. Which of Ico and Isis is scum. What are you feeling right

now

?

[Ame]

Isis, Mr. Pink, Ico I am going to vote Conspire. Is there anything more that I could provide the town among you to join me?

[Ame]

Spoiler: For Ame The Player

Now the question becomes

what was Conspire's aim here

: to defend partner!Ico or to pocket town!Ico? We have one day to figure this out. If it is town!Ico being pocketed it's likely it will vote me when it comes off of V/LA tomorrow. So if Ico is town, we need a solid case on who the second scum member is to convince it otherwise.

[Ame]

red

I like your style.

[Ame]

Very interesting. I thought Pink was making a joke about my message to them before, but they seem to suspect I am speaking to someone

other than them

in 1472. Is that correct Mr Pink?

[Ame]

I agree that early game Ico does surfaces pushes as either alignment. The counter I am making here is that scum!Ico continues with the same form of reasoning throughout the game as legitimate pushes.

=/= deathtunnels on superficial reasoning(?)

p-edit: sigh

~enlightened

It does not. My argument is that he uses such reasoning throughout the game rather than as a way to scumhunt in the early game. And that his pushes are genuine when he does it.

[Ame]

Also Mr Pink can you explain how it was I was attempting to pocket you there?

[Ame]

EBWOP:

It does not. My argument is that scum!Ico uses such reasoning throughout the game rather than just as a way to scumhunt in the early game. And that its pushes are genuine when it does it.

Clarification.

[Ame]

I only wish to vote once we have agreement.

[Ame]

Agreement isn't really necessary since it won't be town voting town.

It will be as weighty as an FoS.

Commitment makes it harder for scum because they will have to commit to voting a town player, rather than waiting in the shadows to strike.

[Ame]

So you are set on me then Isis?

[Ame]

If so, I don't want to take the time going through vote counts disproving your scum vote for town more claim.

[Ame]

Do you not see that Kanna was circumventing the point I was making about Ico?

[Ame]

Ok Isis, there's no point in continuing it seems. Please vote me. I've given it my best effort, but it would be silly to continue if my points aren't going to change your view. Unfortunately, mechanically, I have to default to voting for you as well.

[Ame]

Things are getting exciting!!!!!!!!1

~Hex

Begone Cursed One! Have you not done enough to this town that you must hex it as well?

hex it...

hexit...hectic

omg I think I just figured out who you are

[Ame]

Also, where did you get the impression Ico fakes scumreads/pushes to get things going as town? I haven't seen that at all.

They told me this at the beginning of day 1 as a counter to my meta argument. What about point B?

[Ame]

yeah conspire's attitude towards your ico read is icky and kind of goalpost movey?

i think conspire is independently scummier than Pink mayhaps

Esper was telling me that she thinks Ame's Ico read might be in bad faith, that's why she's been questioning it so much and trying to show meta to see if Ame believed it.

~Hex

How do you guys propose solving Iconeum? What are you looking at to determine its alignment?

@Isis, Isis.

[Ame]

I am Am-E, I am Aim, I ame.

[Ame]

yeah conspire's attitude towards your ico read is icky and kind of goalpost movey?

i think conspire is independently scummier than Pink mayhaps

Esper was telling me that she thinks Ame's Ico read might be in bad faith, that's why she's been questioning it so much and trying to show meta to see if Ame believed it.

~Hex

How do you guys propose solving Iconeum? What are you looking at to determine its alignment?

@Isis, Isis.

It's not like I haven't questioned Ico if that's what you're suggesting. And you're ignoring context, it's natural for us to pursue more questioning on people we scumlean - specifically you and Pink recently.

How sure are you that Pink is town?

~Hex

Ummm that's not what I was getting at. I'm asking because your argument is that I am pushing Ico in bad faith because all of my arguments can be classified as town!Ico_does_that. So how do you propose to read it?

[Ame]

Also why do you keep asking me the same thing xD. I'm not confident on Pink. lololooooooooo

[Ame]

Not all your arguments are just "NAI, town!Ico does that", obviously I'm sure there's plenty of stuff this game that is AI for Ico and can be solved, but you used enough of the NAI reasons and given that you'd checked meta it raised alarm bells.

~Hex

Ok, so I'm asking you now. How do we read it? Help me determine its alignment. Or do you wish to continue leaving me to do the grunt work while you critique it?

[Ame]

Reposting for pagetop

[Ame]

darnit

[Ame]

oh well

[Ame]

My avatar bias is really bad and Ame changed her avatar to an evil looking guy during this lylo D:

Spoiler:

hehehe

[Ame]

I think this is the scummiest post you've made this game, Ame. Given how you highly you seem to regard Isis, you thought she was using some real shady tactics there to manipulate the mods and get a win?

Stop asking me the same thing over and over T____T.

Do you really think she's serious, Ame?

~Hex

Yes, I am just dense.

[Ame]

Sure, I'll find some posts of his I find are towny/scummy to comment

A conclusion too! We kind of need a conclusion today.

[Ame]

In the moment I was panic reading because I thought the mod might legitimately take it as a hammer. And she seemed to be really arguing with me that it should. I realized from her subsequent post that she was joking at reread it in the proper tone.

[Ame]

Yea I get the point. I didn't expect less of you. I didn't expect anything. I've never played with you as scum before.

[Ame]

My point with the link I provided was that I've been misread (and we lost the game) for a similar situation. Clidd thought my confusion/show was oversimulation, when I was really just trying to puzzle out his trump card.

[Ame]

I think the problem I have with reading your tone of voice pops is that the voice that I read your post in isn't fully formed. Like there's a specific voice that I read Hectic's posts in and that I read Kanna's posts in etc. But for you it's not fully formed and so I have a hard time picking up on your sarcasm a lot of times. I think this also just may be because you naturally think on a higher level.

[Ame]

Actually, the voice is there. I just read your posts above with a voice. But what is it...is it the avatar?

[Ame]

I think that has to be it. The solemn stare from your avatar. The smile isn't big enough to see from a normal viewing position, so the expression is straight neutral.

[Ame]

I'm must sleep! Good night Isis, good night pops, good night Pandora!

Tsukiyomi definitely gives off a different tone!

[Ame]

wtf happened here

Okay, let's go through what happened. We're in the place, everything's going fine. Then the alarm gets tripped. I turn around and all these cops are outside. You're right, it was like, bam! I blink my eyes and they're there. Everybody starts going apeshit.

[Ame]

These two posts are examples of very not-NAI stuff that you can read from Ico, Ame.

The frustration with Isis for talking "cattish" and not discussing his reads with him feels very real. Calling out everyone else for lurking and prodding for reads/engagement (in surrounding posts) because he feels the gamestate is stalled is also something he's less likely to push forward as scum, where he'd be sitting comfortably in a postition to allow apathy and a mislynch to eventually go through.

~Hex

It actually is NAI. It did the same in HBE and I town read it for it.

Spoiler:

also let's just assume for now that not voting is just 'your thing'

why are you not pushing/sorting players, on top of denying others trying to sort you?

This is a playerlist wide issue and this should be applied to every slot outside of battle mage.

You and battle mage are the only slots putting emphasis on day play at the moment.

Sorta disagree. The majority of players is at least voting, which is pushing/sorting on it's own.
Am I focused in on 1 player for something that more players are doing? Maybe.

What's your take on the matter?

i'm just trying to nudge him into making AI-indicative posts, and for some reason you are defending him against that?

i don't scumread him for not having a vote out, but I think every player who hasn't/isn't voting right now should be pushed in doing so

that's my take anyway

@everyone who thinks voting is bad unless you actually lynch:

imagine if nobody had placed a vote yet this game
what information do you think would be here right now?

ok

i'll just UNVOTE:

and wait until deadline to vote like you

much regrets about repping into this game

clearly i'm not a match (playstyle wise) with most of you

this is just (mostly) a very passive group that simply wants to play follow the cop imo

Yes I admit it. I'm scum. Clearly. I misread the timing of the events, which is a huge scumtell.

Take me away officer!

(at least you were actually making cases and pushing, which is hard to come by this game lol)

Ico you really played brilliantly that game btw. I'm not sure if I ever gave you the proper kudos.

[Ame]

No my scum read was based on the other stuff. It hardened based off the posting series where you voted me and claimed that I wasn't going to contribute despite me just saying that I was going to contribute. Do you think that's a fair judgment for town!Ame to make?

That's a fair point regarding your Isis read.

[Ame]

Mr Pink do you intend to respond the questions that have been asked?

[Ame]

There's a reason self-preservation is a scumtell though. Scum care more badly about being lynched than town. So yes, looking at the level of it is relevant.

~Hex

okay but are scum gonna make it *that* obvious? scum!pink didn't *need* those 3 votes for self preservation IIRC

his sudden townread of Isis and how he hid behind her jake push is what makes me scumread Pink, not those 3 votes

They are referring to Jake there not Mr Pink.

Unfortunately, mechanically, I have to default to voting for you as well.

why

If Isis is town and votes me, we lose. If she is scum and votes me, then I would have to vote her to win. So there is only gain in voting her (or anyone) if they vote me, no loss.

[Ame]

I kind of have to kill the pink ame masonry over the iconspire masonry just because pink not reading the game or engaging means the town!pink universes get town voting town.
VOTE: Steve buscemi

The dichotomy isn't correct though. It may be Pinkspire or Pinkico.

[Ame]

when you say 'we', do you mean you and I?

It depends, who is your character again?

[Ame]

I kind of have to kill the pink ame masonry over the iconspire masonry just because pink not reading the game or engaging means the town!pink universes get town voting town.
VOTE: Steve buscemi

The dichotomy isn't correct though. It may be Pinkspire or Pinkico.

Well that wouldn't render my vote incorrect would it?

Only if we eliminate Iconspire.

[Ame]

No my scum read was based on the other stuff. It hardened based off the posting series where you voted me and claimed that I wasn't going to contribute despite me just saying that I was going to contribute. Do you think that's a fair judgment for town!Ame to make?

That's a fair point regarding your Isis read.

Do you understand why I scumread you? What I mean when I said I feel like you were setting up your scumread on me a long while back?

Yes, it makes sense.

[Ame]

Yes, it makes sense.

However, it would be quite dumb for mafia to state their plan in thread. So in another sense, it is kind of silly to think that's what I did, I think.

[Ame]

It hardened based off the posting series where you voted me and claimed that I wasn't going to contribute despite me just saying that I was going to contribute. Do you think that's a fair judgment for town!Ame to make?

Could you answer this, Ico?

[Ame]

Right, I've eliminated it in the pragmatic sense of "I can't beat iconspire anyway, because pink will almost always throw". That's paired with me being doubtful that that's the team to begin with

I see.

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Yes, it makes sense.

However, it would be quite dumb for mafia to state their plan in thread. So in another sense, it is kind of silly to think that's what I did, I think.

even with lack of daychat?

Correct. Could you walk me through what stating my scum master plan in thread would accomplish?

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It hardened based off the posting series where you voted me and claimed that I wasn't going to contribute despite me just saying that I was going to contribute. Do you think that's a fair judgment for town!Ame to make?

Could you answer this, Ico?

In short, you really started pinging me when you said that I was gonna vote you *anyway* on the next day, despite me townreading you at that time. It felt so insincere and there was more to it I can case it tho

and when you kept on pushing scum!ico without a *single* post indicating why I felt like you didn't have a foot to stand on after we already established your meta arguments weren't holding up

That's now what I am asking though. Do you think it makes sense for town!Ame to scumread you for voting her in lylo and justifying your vote on the basis that she isn't going to contribute despite she had just mentioned she would contribute?

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VOTE: Steve buscemi

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not*

so many typos U__U

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Ico, it's really quite a simple question. I understand your scum read. I am asking if you understand mine.

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Thank you.

I stated why I didn't bring up a point against you -- I was tired. I promised I would do so when I was not tired, which I have. I never intended to vote you without actually bringing up the points, and I didn't. Do you think this explanation is enough to nullify the point about not bringing up points against you? And if not, do you think I was unable to bring up points against you? And if not, why do you think scum!me did not do so before?

I was not setting you up. I wanted you to kill me if I was wrong on RCE and Shiki. Hence the "if shiki and RCE aren't scum I'm going to tunnel you." If I was wrong on RCE and Shiki, then me being killed my scum would have been the best outcome for town.

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What is Steve buscemi?

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Oh the actor that plays Mr Pink? Lol.

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I do think that was unfair considering the earlier joke votes didn't count. That being said, I don't think we were ever going to win anyway.

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But no @mod I have no idea who firesneakers is my vote should not be counted, I thought it was a joke

Me neither, so I have yet to count any of those votes.

Pokemon is a ridiculously popular game to the point that few have not heard of it, and when googling "Azelf," it was easily recognizable that the vote was intended for Something_Smart. "Firesneakers" is not a nickname I know anyone in this game by until this point. If interested parties would like to clarify their position as far as their vote, I'm willing to count it, but until then those votes will remain un-applied.

I interpreted this as if it's something obvious you would count it, otherwise no. I should have checked with you though. Your application of the rule is consistent.

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I interpreted this as if it's something obvious you would count it, otherwise no. I should have checked with you though. Your application of the rule is consistent.

I thought it was just something Isis made up like fire sneakers.

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@Ame; 1v1'ing you is so hard anfekogjraophkhop all i could think was not again after strawberry. massively well played, i hope i wasn't too offputting in lylo...

~karma

No you weren't why would you think so???

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This was an amazingly fun game with a lot of my favorite players on site and a great mod to add

Thanks everyone

Agree. I actually enjoyed lylo!

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The scum PT was a great read

Ico, I can't believe you've been scum in all three games I've played with you! I'm kind of scarred..It's going to take a lot for me to ever trust you x[

Conspire, your RP of each other was nuts! I still have no idea who I was talking to when. The teamwork between the three of you was wonderful.

Isis, do not despair. While I joke about perceiving all outcomes, I do not joke that our future was written. We are mere NPCs under the guise of free beings. Self-awareness is not a sufficient condition for autonomy when such awareness is limited to such a meager slice in time.

Enter, you are now tied with datisi as my favorite mod. The work you put into the flavor and design was incredible! Please send me an invite when you next host!!

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This was on reddit today.