Mini 2136 | City That Never Sleeps [Game over!]

[Eve]

howdy i have mechanical reasons to wish to be on all wagons

VOTE: BBMolla

[Eve]

wow what a bunch of tryhards already 5 pages

[Eve]

nom why would i sheep your rvs vote?

VOTE: nomnomnon

[Eve]

VOTE: Karnage

he told me he was scum in our pT

i voted him because this felt like a overdone i'm scum joke

[Eve]

there's more creative ways to call yourself scum surely

like i only vote my townreads because i'm usually wrong and it's the best way for me to flip scum

[Eve]

also as the traffic analyst i should be the hammer of any and all wagons

if something hits L-1 i am swinging in

[Eve]

thanks it's a new look i'm going for actually

[Eve]

what do you mean

some of my remarks are sarcastic i'm not actually calling you guys tryhards if that wasn't apparent

[Eve]

that was also a joke but has a 1/9 chance of not being a joke

i'm using that classic wifom i was taught at the academy

what about my tone?

[Eve]

how about for fun

[Eve]

bold of you to assume i'm not cocky in my scumgame

i am a scum god

[Eve]

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=81667

[Eve]

i have returned what did i miss

[Eve]

Speaking of pressure, UNVOTE: .

Something_Smart, have you not considered that there is a mechanical reason to want to be on the wagon as town?
To take up a slot that scum could have taken; thus forcing them to stay off of it?

Eve didn't respond to my post, but this made a good point that relieves my initial concerns over Eve. That plus she seems to be just shitposting means there's really not much to read into there.

However, given that she's just shitposting, I really would like to see some actual content from her.

i don't like this post because he's both agreeing i have a mechanical reason as town so it's not scummy but also that i'm shitposting which should mean he knows i was joking

VOTE: allomancer

[Eve]

Rex i appreciate that you're not breaking any rules we need more people like you in our games

help me vote allomancer for the win

[Eve]

what do you think of my vote on allomancer skitter i thought it was pretty impressive

[Eve]

acryon looks pretty legit to me

[Eve]

ngl that seems pretty sketchy Auro

[Eve]

guiltylion's avatar change has driven himself up to my townreads

[Eve]

exactly Allomancer you raise a very good point there

[Eve]

Auro why are you volunteering to be off the wagon when you know you're town?

[Eve]

VOTE: BBMolla

having potential scum be checked should be a lot more useful to you than yourself being cleared

[Eve]

yeah i don't like the way you stepped in to defend Auro there

[Eve]

Rex you should definitely join me in voting BBmolla

Karnage saw what he did there too

[Eve]

VOTE: Allomancer

hi do people need a reads list from me

[Eve]

Limit
acryon
nomnomnom
Rex
Karnage
skitter
BBmolla
Auro
Allomancer

i like nonom now because of how she was defending me and then went to metacheck me

Auro still feels really driven by agendas he needs to take a walk once in a while

[Eve]

so much for "city that never sleeps" huh

the game has become dead destroyer of worlds

[Eve]

but why sir karnage

[Eve]

is skitter saying "but ok" a lot an AI thing?

[Eve]

i don't get your reasoning there Auro - maybe i'm not on your realm of thinking but could you dumb it down for me with more "no u"s?

nomnom is a strange player who might be a scum person in this game of mafia

[Eve]

oh yeah what's up with this 1/0 thing i keep hearing about

i don't want to go looking through the walls

[Eve]

i just realised 1/0 has been referring to limit all this time

[Eve]

on wagon

in fact we need more of them

[Eve]

While at first I thought Karnage seemed like town, the fact that multiple people have defended him as just being gut town feels odd. It feels like one of {acryon, molla} could've said that to try to prevent a wagon forming on a partner without having to describe their reads. I also don't like molla's posting generally, that I'm no longer sure which of those two could be scum.

VOTE: Karnage

Easier than having to guess between acryon and molla.

what what what

seems like forming associatives like that is bit insane early

[Eve]

VOTE: nomnom

it's hard to slip on tarmac

[Eve]

oh wow look at me leading this charge on nomnom

[Eve]

I hate being in these spots because I honestly can't discern "town who is really bad at reading people" vs "opportunistic scum who is abusing a moment of weakness", so yeah, fuck that.
It's not too late to vote Eve but I ain't moving my self-vote until I got a few unvotes, I ain't letting a hammer happen while I'm away.

Go on, hammer me if you dare. Do it now.

hmmm

[Eve]

oh wow the page 45 emotion looks pretty real actually

[Eve]

VOTE: Allomancer

[Eve]

oh wow the page 45 emotion looks pretty real actually

Really? It looks fake to me
viewtopic.php?p=11679632#p11679632 as town where she did some AtE while being run up, but it looks a lot more genuine, and she continuously kept solving as well

did you find anything like this/that as scum though?

you still feel like you have wheels Auro

[Eve]

I guess I don't mind.
UNVOTE:
It's sad because I was conftown and now I'm forcing a copcheck on my ass. Such a waste, I need to stop ruining my conftown statuses in games.

conftown?

[Eve]

is it bad that her posts on the last page i found kind of fake?

[Eve]

VOTE: nomnom

i should stop letting AtE get to me so much

[Eve]

You know what fine you guys want your karnage wagon? Then vote for it, we'll see if it's just posturing.
VOTE: Karnage
All this talk about Karnage and no one voting him, let's fix that.

the way she voted Karnage here

I guess I don't mind.
UNVOTE:
It's sad because I was conftown and now I'm forcing a copcheck on my ass. Such a waste, I need to stop ruining my conftown statuses in games.

the frustration of "ruining conftown status" here

[Eve]

the scumteam's probably quite competent if they correctly ascertained Allo was traffic guy and risked killing a highly mislynchable potential townie

VOTE: skitter

it's you isn't it

[Eve]

the scumteam's probably quite competent if they correctly ascertained Allo was traffic guy and risked killing a highly mislynchable potential townie

VOTE: skitter

it's you isn't it

Excuse me?

-Smart

you are excused

[Eve]

i think we have this in the bag

i don't think Karnage is scum

[Eve]

thanks for the support Auro

[Eve]

[Eve]

[Eve]

whoops that one was little too high res

[Eve]

[Eve]

how does that not inspire confidence?

[Eve]

Guilty and Auro are probably town

skitter is a little off and my only scum impression

[Eve]

how's it going Titus

i am the town one in this game

[Eve]

do you have a guide for your VCA Titus?

how do i learn these secrets?

[Eve]

VOTE: acryon

i'll sheep Atarashi

[Eve]

btw if Rex was scum doesn't he want allo to be wagoned until he has to claim unless he was extremely confident allo was traffic guy?

[Eve]

no but what kind of masochistic scum spends 8.5 hours reading to form thoughts

[Eve]

i haven't actually read it yet

i'll read it now

[Eve]

ok i read it and it was ok Atarashi

i agree with your points that his tone/selection of words feels a little fake sometimes

[Eve]

no but what kind of masochistic scum spends 8.5 hours reading to form thoughts

To be fair I GM tabletop RPGs like D&D for friends so some say that I have masochistic tendencies.

nothing masochistic about that! well depends how deraily your friends are

[Eve]

@eve, can you respond to 1454 and 1455 please?

- Smarter

Karnage felt similar to the concurrent game i was playing with him in that is over now and he was town in

skitter i actually forgot why - she just feels "off" sometimes like i don't think she actually believes what she's saying

ya know???

[Eve]

why are you asking me such difficult questions

i'll go look

[Eve]

ok i can't find any

i guess it was the "but oks" but that's nai and her push on nom but i saw the same things she did so actually i don't see much reason

[Eve]

ok i can't find any

i guess it was the "but oks" but that's nai and her push on nom but i saw the same things she did so actually i don't see much reason

(assuming it's nai because she said so - haven't fact checked or anything)

[Eve]

Titus did you answer my VCA question? i want to learn from the master

[Eve]

i just realised i always read whatever guiltylion writes with a more inquisitive tone because of his avatar - it feels like cheating

[Eve]

VOTE: Skitter
This is scum. Cop her/lynch her.

maybe we should sheep nomnom

[Eve]

Titus did you answer my VCA question? i want to learn from the master

I haven't posted a recent guide on the matter. I'll give you the step by step process though.

First, establish your assumptions. In this setup, that's two scum, scum preferring to avoid detection and be on the major wagons to avoid being coppable. Note: This assumption goes away when Allomancer softs and his wagon distingrates. Then it's just avoid attention and don't bus.

Second, get the VCAs in a manner where you can see who is whom. I do this by eyeballing in minis. Ideally, you should quote and find replace with colors and substitutes if newer to VCA.

Third, look at each vote count and ask what motivates scum. For instance, if there's only one wagon and it's on town, scum have little incentive to create wagons. So they'll largely be apathetic or sheep. This is what happened yesterday.

Today, we have largely static wagons (AH and myself) which is exactly what scum want in a T v T setup. That's why GL is sputtering on you (instead wanting me to read Carnage) and Auro is picking a fight with Skitter while FoSing GL.

very interesting thanks for the intro!

i wish there were more guides for this i would love to learn it

[Eve]

Titus did you answer my VCA question? i want to learn from the master

I haven't posted a recent guide on the matter. I'll give you the step by step process though.

First, establish your assumptions. In this setup, that's two scum, scum preferring to avoid detection and be on the major wagons to avoid being coppable. Note: This assumption goes away when Allomancer softs and his wagon distingrates. Then it's just avoid attention and don't bus.

Second, get the VCAs in a manner where you can see who is whom. I do this by eyeballing in minis. Ideally, you should quote and find replace with colors and substitutes if newer to VCA.

Third, look at each vote count and ask what motivates scum. For instance, if there's only one wagon and it's on town, scum have little incentive to create wagons. So they'll largely be apathetic or sheep. This is what happened yesterday.

Today, we have largely static wagons (AH and myself) which is exactly what scum want in a T v T setup. That's why GL is sputtering on you (instead wanting me to read Carnage) and Auro is picking a fight with Skitter while FoSing GL.

very interesting thanks for the intro!

i wish there were more guides for this i would love to learn it

[Eve]

VOTE: Skitter
This is scum. Cop her/lynch her.

maybe we should sheep nomnom

this is a real bad post

that was a joke btw

[Eve]

actually it wasn't entirely a joke

the way nomnom was saying "skitter should know better" might have some truth to it if skitter knows this was nom's town meta

not gonna go and meta check though what do you take me for

[Eve]

VOTE: Titus

Titus' reasons for skitter being "locktown" from votes is pretty bad

we should end this day already

[Eve]

skitter Titus acryon

game solved

maybe

[Eve]

VOTE: Titus

Titus' reasons for skitter being "locktown" from votes is pretty bad

we should end this day already

Eve: I want to learn VCA.
Me: Explains it. Invites Eve to do it.
Eve: Silence.
Me: It's GL, Auro or Eve if I am wrong.
Eve: Titus reason for TRing Skitter sucks. Let's just lynch her fast.

Me: Side eye.

i was one of your top two scumreads before i asked you for the VCA Titus

btw i feel like an easier way of learning it is to go to completed games and colour in all the VCs with alignments and then look for common trends that mafia do between games

[Eve]

I can teach you VCA Eve. Look at where Auro's voting, sheep that, that's all

:3

you're not even voting anyone???

you must be scum trying to confuse me

[Eve]

auro why did you stop thinking Titus' townslip was a townslip?

also i think Auro is town so i'm just going to sheep him

VOTE: acryon

[Eve]

uh oh now was not that time to go dying Auro

0/1 and GuiltyLion are the townreads

3 of skitter, Titus, Atarashi, BBmolla

VOTE: skitter

[Eve]

both skitter and titus being scum seems to obvious with how they're voting/buddying with each other

one of them is probably scum though

[Eve]

Aurooooo why didn't you commute

[Eve]

can we lynch skitter now

[Eve]

so me being town basically shows scum are deepwolfing and didn't care about the lynches on those days

VOTE: skitter

[Eve]

huh skitter's avoiding this game

we got her - let's lock her up she felt off for a reason

[Eve]

i guess Titus is town

what kind of crazy person would introduce a friend to mafia by bringing them into a scumleaned scum slot

[Eve]

we should start winning now

[Eve]

0/1 - GuiltyLion
BBmolla - Titus
skitter - Atarashi

[Eve]

it's skitter and Atarashi probably

skitter's resorting to using "what is scum!me even doing here?" and "who is even my partner?" like we should expect her partner to openly defend her and her to play better as scum - don't fall for it people

[Eve]

i would never ever kill auro as scum just fyi

[Eve]

how have you let scum!skitter convince you guilty? you know what she's capable of

[Eve]

the nightkill points simultaneously towards skitter scum and me town

like come on seriously

[Eve]

I don't think it clears you Eve, like if anything, you're kinda playing how I play as scum when I make a WIFOM NK and I don't bring it up to defend myself but just hope that the townies pick it up themselves and run with it without me having to argue it myself.

but i just directly brought it up before you said this

like 80% of the time you should just Occam's Razor the nightkills because people never draw too many conclusions from them because of "WIFOM"

if i'm scum i have the options of leaving Auro alive and very likely getting a skitter mislynch the next day while Auro continues to defend me

OR i can kill Auro and hope town reads into the nightkill enough to make up for that - but in reality most of the time people are stubborn about their reads and the nightkills don't change them that much

leaving Auro alive is the safer and more sensible play for me in every sense i don't have the energy to go for WIFOM and then solve/argue my way to a harder scum win - just look at it logically skitter is scum who killed her no 1 pusher that was a widely townread it's not that hard

[Eve]

hi Morning Tweet!

[Eve]

also also like you said scum!me could kill 0/1 and Auro wouldn't even be suspicious of why he was alive - the UTR was simply killed so there's no reason for him to start doubting why he was kept alive

there's like no reason for me to kill Auro over 0/1

[Eve]

maybe i should try scumcasing skitter that could be fun

[Eve]

pushing who i think is scum ...

not really? Like I can't genuinely recall why you personally think Eve is scum?

- my best bet for scum on the nom wagon
- dislike sweeping ah and auro
- dislike her push on me too

there's no substance to this

watch i can do this too - skitter is scum because:
-my best best for scum on the nom wagon
-dislike killing of Auro
-dislike her push on me too

easy

[Eve]

gl can you answer this: who exactly is my partner here?

I'm thinking Titus or Atari would make the most sense. I don't at all think it's Eve fwiw.

skitter when were you trying to lynch Karnage again? I was pushing him for most of day 1 and day 2 and the wagon never took off or felt like it had much support behind it.

day2

i don't think i make much sense with either of them really

heck titus is pushing you for following me onto the wagon

how does she not make sense with Titus given they haven't pushed each other and are counterwagoning me? not saying i think it's Titus rn tbh but her reasoning is flawed here

[Eve]

I might be giving skitter too little credit in saying that she wouldn't hard-defend her buddy for WIFOM purposes.

I forget, was skitter defending the Rex slot before Titus replaced in? I think she was. I guess it would be conceivable for Titus and skitter to decide to hard align with each other, I know Titus likes to do that and skitter iirc has a pretty strong bussing meta that she'd want to break.

-Smart

i literally picked a fight with you guys (when you were one of the most townread people in the game) cuz i didn't like your rex scumread ...
i've also pointed out that scum!me never decides to defend a partner that way, and have brought up this point multiple times, and nobody has chosen to address that either

i've also pointed out that scum!me never decides to defend a partner that way, and have brought up this point multiple times, and nobody has chosen to address that either

for this to be true it would mean skitter!scum will spew town anyone she hard defends because of meta

skitter is not bad at scum so this is obviously not true and she does not believe her own reasoning here

[Eve]

i feel very strongly that this is a scum-driven wagon and that we ought to be lynching eve today

y tho

some substance would be nice skittery

[Eve]

so then why vote titus ...

I was unable to get Acryon votes, and unable to get Skitter votes, under the impression that it was either Titus or Eve, Titus does have some points against her, and I thought the deadline was closer than it is

actually fair, i thought your vote would have been 4th on acryon and 3rd on titus, i was mistaken

i'm eve > titus = acryon

i'd switch to one of the others to prevnt a no lynch but that's not where i want to lynch rn

the acryon wagon yesterday was awful; he was fairly transparently town and he was wagoned for super bad reasons imo

eve is still scum and has been the cw to town twice now, and ought to have been the lynch yesterday

VOTE: eve

hmMM

has acryon as joint second most preffered lynch yesterday

comes in today saying he was "transparently town" and that his lynch was awful

mhm

[Eve]

ok i'm done

[Eve]

you made all those reads and notes but you haven't even told us if you're town yet - come on Morning

[Eve]

you know what i'll start the mass claim off i think it's about time

claiming town

popcorn skitts

[Eve]

we got her now

[Eve]

well this town is probably in huge trouble then

guilty what do you think of my reasons?

[Eve]

maybe it's skitter+Guilty

he mislynches me today and then just has to lynch skitter and Titus doesn't matter which order to give him the win

[Eve]

mhm the way she's pushed for me has been pretty bad her reasoning has been pretty surface level even when she was asked for a case - i made some posts about that earlier too

[Eve]

you're pretty smart Titus you can work it out on your own

[Eve]

Eve what would you say your confidence is in skit scum

Cause if we lynch her and she flips town I feel like we have to lynch you does that not worry you at all

i'm actually pretty confident

i already scumread her before and the Auro nightkill doesn't take Paragon levels to decipher - and her posts today have been scummy

[Eve]

what's up Morning

[Eve]

join me on the skitter WINWAGON you know you want to

[Eve]

no idea if i'm being honest - my best guess was your predecessor but i could see it being anyone that isn't Limit (based on individual towniness) and BBmolla (if he follows through on lynching her today)

[Eve]

yes you have a lot of blood on your wings

[Eve]

i'm pretty sure that's titus considering the VCA thing

that was a fun moment in the movie Morning - no spoilers but just saying you should hang on to Auro's every word

[Eve]

why has Titus been pushing me yesterday and today then Morning? you think a Eve/Titus team believes we'd be able to mislynch skitter while Titus was bussing me as a counterwagon?

[Eve]

will shark not be joining us Titus? i was looking forward to meeting them!

[Eve]

why do you townread BBmolla and aren't considering him with any teams Morning?

[Eve]

why doesn't it?

[Eve]

i see lol fair enough about that post

[Eve]

I might be giving skitter too little credit in saying that she wouldn't hard-defend her buddy for WIFOM purposes.

I forget, was skitter defending the Rex slot before Titus replaced in? I think she was. I guess it would be conceivable for Titus and skitter to decide to hard align with each other, I know Titus likes to do that and skitter iirc has a pretty strong bussing meta that she'd want to break.

-Smart

i literally picked a fight with you guys (when you were one of the most townread people in the game) cuz i didn't like your rex scumread ...
i've also pointed out that scum!me never decides to defend a partner that way, and have brought up this point multiple times, and nobody has chosen to address that either

i've also pointed out that scum!me never decides to defend a partner that way, and have brought up this point multiple times, and nobody has chosen to address that either

for this to be true it would mean skitter!scum will spew town anyone she hard defends because of meta

skitter is not bad at scum so this is obviously not true and she does not believe her own reasoning here

you skipped over this one btw

[Eve]

i know you've explained this but doesn't that mean as scum after you flip people could rule out people you hard defended in that way as town? that's correct, yes?

[Eve]

have you ever revealed that bit of self-meta about yourself in any previous games?

[Eve]

have you ever revealed that bit of self-meta about yourself in any previous games?

not that i can think of!
i don't think that people's scumreads on me were so heavily based on {being scum with this one person} before either

so this is the first game you've brought it up

sure would be nice that if it's the first time you've broken that meta as scum in the very game you decide to reveal this valuable piece of information into reading you

[Eve]

I think the main thing holding me back from Titus/Eve is that the skitts mislynch might not go through, and Eve gets lynched instead. It's a worse position for Titus for sure, but she was bussing Eve from very early so that does help I think.

this should be a big reason

neither of guilty or limit expressed preference of lynching skitter over me/Titus so Titus bussing me and us expecting the skitter mislynch to magically go through anyway is outlandish

[Eve]

neither of guilty or limit expressed preference of lynching skitter over me/Titus

yesterday i mean and before Titus started pushing me

[Eve]

Limit
BBmolla
Morning
Guilty // Titus
skitter

here's where i'm at!

[Eve]

you managed to "convince" guilty to reconsider though

i didn't think your reasons were super convincing either so skitter + Guilty is very much on the menu with guilty just temporarily voting skitts start of day to distance a little

[Eve]

or guilty voted skitts in the hopes there wouldn't be enough support to lynch her over me or Titus

so they'd go into heavily distanced since guilty was voting/pushing skitts the previous day

also bbmolla and limit as Morning said actually leaned to voting Titus the previous day so this might also be why guilty thought it would work

when BBmolla was all for skitts though guilty needs to have a conversation with skitts to unvote and "reconsider"

[Eve]

so they'd go into heavily distanced since guilty was voting/pushing skitts the previous day

*so they'd go into LyLo heavily...

[Eve]

skitter you better be scum or i'm going to look like a massive dumb dumb

[Eve]

or guilty voted skitts in the hopes there wouldn't be enough support to lynch her over me or Titus

so they'd go into heavily distanced since guilty was voting/pushing skitts the previous day

also bbmolla and limit as Morning said actually leaned to voting Titus the previous day so this might also be why guilty thought it would work

when BBmolla was all for skitts though guilty needs to have a conversation with skitts to unvote and "reconsider"

i mean the first would have been a pretty awful misread of the day/gamestate
i'm not sure why the heavy distancing even needs to happen. i think if he doesn't vote me early in the day today i'm not even necessarily a viable lynch option. like him voting me made it so. he could have just avoided it by not
like why take the risk even by making this something that might happen

wouldn't his gamestate read be that i would be the only one to vote for you today? since everyone else had some other preference at the end of yesterday

also you guys could've thought there would be more doubts on the acryon wagon and you'd have towncred for not being on

[Eve]

skitter you better be scum or i'm going to look like a massive dumb dumb

nah i think you're just scum trying to get me lynched!
it's a good try tho!

same to you! i am really enjoying this tbh

[Eve]

bbmolla wanted to vote me too and limit has been making quite a lot of noise in that direction too

and again the distancing just like ... would not have needed to happen
he could have just like lynched you with me instead of opening the possibility of my lynch

if he lynches me with you doesn't that just mean you probably get lynched the next day? and then Guilty looks real bad for 3p if they look back at today

also he opened up the possibility but has now backtracked once there was support - that's the important thing here

[Eve]

take a nap Morning - maybe an 8hour one

i look forward to you looking into skitter + guilty!

[Eve]

alright goonight

[Eve]

also every time I start to suspect anyone they start shading me which doesn't help at all with the paranoia

like Skitter keeps trying to say I'm a townread but then giving me grief for acryon vote or voting her

Eve randomly starts calling me out when I reconsider whether she could be scum

Titus is on me all game yet finding ways to not vote me

I'm definitely being used for false associatives but I can't find a way to distinguish between that and genuine worry about me being scum

MT I kinda think the way you've treated my slot with a mix of suspicion/mindmeld is the most natural

what do you think of my reasons for why you could be scum with skitter?

lemme me know why they're bad/random

[Eve]

oh hey that rules out BBmolla as my partner as well

you are too kind molla

[Eve]

will you renounce your VCA if i'm town?

also why would you have to cast the first vote in LyLo if wrong on me?

[Eve]

good luck tomorrow!

Morning why is skitts probably not with BB considering the recent switch?

[Eve]

Titus/Skitts

GL/Eve

GL/skitts

Titus/Eve

BB/Titus

i don't get why you've completely ruled out BB/skitts or BB/GL or even Eve/BB

also BB/Eve and BB/skitts would both make more sense than BB/Titus

[Eve]

I really don't know who Eve's partner is

given how MT and Skit and Limit are talking, it's clear I'm to be the next lynch if Eve flips scum

which is fine and I actually would insist on being lynched first in that case but godspeed to whoever gets into 3p LYLO

yikes

[Eve]

maybe the reason i don't make sense with anyone is because i'm town

did you ever think of that?

[Eve]

I really don't know who Eve's partner is

given how MT and Skit and Limit are talking, it's clear I'm to be the next lynch if Eve flips scum

which is fine and I actually would insist on being lynched first in that case but godspeed to whoever gets into 3p LYLO

yikes

why yikes

obvious isn't it? it's always preferable to want to lynch scum over yourself (confirmed town) there

if he's arguing the fact he doesn't want to risk mislynching town and then being the game losing mislynch in 3p lylo - that logic doesn't check out either since you still have 1 lynch that could hit scum + 1 that is probably you but you can still have a chance of convincing the others

[Eve]

[Eve]

if he's arguing the fact he doesn't want to risk mislynching town and then being the game losing mislynch in 3p lylo - that logic doesn't check out either since you still have 1 lynch that could hit scum + 1 that is probably you but you can still have a chance of convincing the others

no I'd really rather die and have people look at all my thoughts and engagements with knowledge that I'm town, I think that'd give us a higher chance of winning at this point assuming you are scum

why? why not have everyone listen to your thoughts/engagements and lynch someone that isn't you in 5p? and then you at least get another chance in 3p

[Eve]

alright well as long as you lynch skitter tomorrow first you can hopefully work it out in 3p

[Eve]

VOTE: Titus

doesn't it make sense to lynch Titus first then?

i thought her bringing a newbie Shark in was town-indicative but Shark not posting even once funnily enough ends up being scum-indicative

[Eve]

given both of your solves/team combinations Morning + Guilty you should always be lynching Titus before me so why aren't you?

[Eve]

The only thing that scares me about lynching Titus is I wouldn't exactly be sure where to go upon her flipping green. I mean yeah with my present solve she should be the highest likelihood scum. I'm not sure I'm confident enough in myself to redirect the wagon though.

If Titus were to flip green:

GL/Eve/Morning/Skitts/BB

Then hmmmm do I go back to GL/Eve? Or is my BB read wrong and he could be with GL or something and we lose lynching Eve? Who knows!

I'll hopefully make a firm decision about Titus the next time she comes back and posts

isn't this logic faulty though

you're saying the remaining potential solves will make more sense if Eve flips green rather than Titus flipping green, correct?

but all you're doing is pursuing a less optimal lynch today for "a better looking worst case" scenario tomorrow - i'm bad at articulating this but hopefully you understand my point

[Eve]

i only said it because other people were saying i don't make sense with anyone

[Eve]

lynch Eve (less optimal) > on a green flip a more optimal lynch next day based on teams solves

lynch Titus (more optimal) > on a green flip a less optimal lynch next day based on team solves

the scenarios are identical other than the order you're pursuing them in where it'd obviously make more sense to pursue your best option first

[Eve]

completely disagree

you should know you're town so you it'd be preferable to have 2 unknowns voting for each other - where if either of them are scum it's okay

rather than you voting for 1 unknown and if that person isn't scum the game is lost

[Eve]

Eve, do you agree or disagree with my optimal lylo strategy?

I feel like my time is best spent preparing for tomorrow

tbh

as my views are pretty set

tbh

.

scumslip

[Eve]

given both of your solves/team combinations Morning + Guilty you should always be lynching Titus before me so why aren't you?

I'd be fine with a Titus lynch here I think, my only concern is I feel like if she does flip green then I easily might get lynched in 5p for the loss. And the whole day I've been feeling like there's exactly one scum in Skit/Eve so resolving that ASAP helps with the rest of the solve.

Why aren't you as worried about Skit/Guilty as you seemed a few pages ago? Doesn't lynching a green!Titus into green!Eve lose the game for you there?

i'm of the belief that a titus lynch would be better than a me (who i know is town) lynch - it's in the same vein of how i strongly disagree with you wanting to be lynched first under certain circumstances

if titus does flip green the game isn't over it's not like i'm 100% getting lynched in lylo in that case - cases and convincing can happen

[Eve]

Eve, do you agree or disagree with my optimal lylo strategy?

I feel like my time is best spent preparing for tomorrow tbh as my views are pretty set tbh.

also why are you even asking your biggest scumread this question while assuming you'll be in lylo tomorrow Titus?

[Eve]

ok fine guess it's time to anti-spew then

skitter: no way she's my partner - don't let the fact we've been forcefully at each other's throats fool you, none of it is theater and i was seriously trying to get her lynched - we were kinda worried though when for a moment it looked like she would be the one lynched over me i don't really have the energy for two more day phases

Titus: she could be my partner tbh. it's technically possible we had a falling out in the scum PT while she was training me to fool people using VCA - i told her it was dumb and a waste of time and she started bussing me out of irritation lol

GuiltyLion: i've been hard distancing as much as possible by having him in my solve but never actually pushing him - Morning caught onto that though which was kinda alarming so i lurked a bit after that

BBmolla: yeah... the plan was for us to mislynch skitts today but then goddamn guilty decided to hop off and limit was open to a me lynch and suddenly it wasn't looking viable anymore so we gotta distance as much as possible. we probably should've gone with the titus route tbh - we probably could've convinced guilty/limit/morning of that

Morning: she was doing a great job of slowly "PoEing" teams down until it only made sense to vote one of titus/skitter before me - it was gonna be amazing but then BBmolla randomly switched to me from skitts and it all went up in flames sigh. almost worked

0/1: i'm pretty sure there's literally nothing i can say here that will change the fact that Limit 100% deepwolves this game all the way up to 3p and pulls out the win. we were hoping town would agree to lynch skitts/Titus on their own today but alas it didn't happen so we'll take the non-flawless victory

i guess

[Eve]

don't mess this up Smarts

[Eve]

good job playing dumb to my scumclaim

i would buy it if i was town

[Eve]

Morning you should at least comment on the scumclaim

it might look suspicious if you completely ignore it

[Eve]

UNVOTE: Titus

unvoting so that i can self-hammer if needed to cut discussion short

Morning you should follow the plan and mislynch Guilty tomorrow it shouldn't be too hard really - and then it should be a 3p with you Limit and skitter and that's an easy paranoia win

[Eve]

i have not! i heard from someone that it's very over the top and the protagonist is more lucky than skilled (is that right?) but that said she still loved it lol so it's been on my list for a while

[Eve]

i have something to say

[Eve]

oh yeah she told me about a time where the cheater had a custom deck with patterns you could memorise and then Kakeguri girl memorised them managed to memorise them from round 1 and won in round 2 - sounds like fun

[Eve]

i'm never scum with GuiltyLion here you can see my frustration with him was genuine so please don't lynch him tomorrow - he doesn't deserve that

[Eve]

what who do you think my partner is if it isn't you?

[Eve]

thanks! i thought i could've gotten away with it by redirecting to skitter towards the start but... things happened

what made you so sure of me? that VCA is more powerful than i thought

[Eve]

The fact you were a counter three times to town
The fact you asked for my methodology but never followed up with your own attempt at VCA, despite multiple invitations.
The deer in the headlights look when I FoSed you
Your general vote pattern
You possibly fitting in as scum in my PoE
Your skitter push felt half assed
The OMGUS.

i am actually interested in learning VCA though this just doesn't seem like the best game for it

do you have any tips for how i could look less scummy next time?

[Eve]

is this theater hmmMMM

I still think Titus being so dead-set on scum!Eve loosely fits a bussing play tho I'm not certain

Skit is basically locktown now I think

nah it's not - i would've been pushing/going for Titus today if we were partners to really distance us

oh hang on i did that with skitter...

[Eve]

yeah otherwise i would've self-hammered to deny a place

[Eve]

maybe i'm lynchproof and i just don't know it

[Eve]

just realised i'm not hammered since Tiger Shark never actually revoted me

VOTE: BBmolla

too late to try this? feel like he could be my partner given how he voted with me on skitts but then randomly switched when there didn't seem to be support

[Eve]

vote as a cohesive unit as scum)

really? i've always been told it's bad for scum to vote with each other

thing about that though is people then expect for it not to happen which makes it good to do?

at times this game i was afraid of voting with my scum buddy but at others i just voted with them because i thought it would distance us in a weird way haha

[Eve]

hey Titus i made you a new tiger shark avatar:



could you use it in my honour?

[Eve]

well played skitter and Limit!

i'm just proud of myself for being right on skitts for most of the game

[Eve]

well played skitter and Limit!

i'm just proud of myself for being right on skitts for most of the game

you were! sorry for the mislynch, i kinda saw the day coming down to me or you and i kinda wanted it to not be me for obvious reasons
i thought your spew was hilarious too!

of course dw about the mislynch obviously

i'm glad! i had fun scumclaiming - speaking of what was the reaction you thought was scummy from Limit North?