Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[Firebringer]

this is so typical everytime i am no longer interested in a wagon people want to then lynch it.

>.>

[Firebringer]

if we are going to lynch the funny people. we have to go in order of funniest:
Norwee, Me, Votato

Not Votato first. U guys need to understand comedy.

[Firebringer]

to be clear, the dumb part of this game is the tack the players are taking. if you're town youre playing against wincon at this point. stop lolhammering, and think things through. let people maybe defend themselves? and listen to the conftowns who are dead. look at crayons, norwee, and looker. fire, please put some effort in. HEM, stop being an idiot if youre town. god your posts have been dogshit lately.

so many dead townies have contradicting scum/town reads.

abr and u wants to lynch Looker. Ali has him as conftown.

norwee might be the only one everyone agrees on?

[Firebringer]

also i have been efforting...

[Firebringer]

so why arent we lynching norwee?

everyone sucks except me.

[Firebringer]

Some people haven't even expressed a read on me, they just vote me for no fucking reason. Like our friend Elements over there.

elements is most likely also scum

[Firebringer]

also i have been efforting...

I really hope you are scum this game cus i ain't seeing it. You had some nice fluff posts though, and you do indeed have some moments of funny. But if this is your towngame and how you "effort" then i'm not impressed.

i aim to displease.

[Firebringer]

Meanwhile, I think Firebringer is town and I'm also not sure what I'm looking at. I guess because he's had good reads? Unfortunately he doesn't really telegraph his read progression, so most of his rightness goes down the drain because he could just be scum TMI (yes, TMI not AK or something). There's a scum!Firebringer theory in which he's pushing the "golden group" to have "one scum in it" so they're positioned to be lynched in LYLO. I guess that would be me or something. I'm not really sure. He could be the partner with the always-bus setting on, so the two can lead mislynches non-stop. irdk this is a crackpot theory i cant prove, but i'm just gonna put it out there.

r u saying i would put u in it for u to be mislynched in 4 players? if theres only one scum there needs to be 2 mislynches for it to be gme over win for scum at that point.

[Firebringer]

Sure e was town at what time?
I was sure e was town at the time of calling it an awful lynch for sure, I skimmed a couple of eir twilight posts and Alisae's self-characterization about twilight behavior was accurate meta.

Are you saying that calling it an awful lynch after it flipped green indicates I knew Alisae was town as of ABR's greenflip? I had the puzzle pieces of <not much dayphase was used on this lynch>, <this lynch was green> = <awful lynch>. I'm not sure why I needed an aged and fermented townread to have some cranky hindsight.

naah alisae was town because scum!ali is really good at getting people to do what ali wants, and town ali is really bad at it.

[Firebringer]

don't torture me like that or i will call u evil

[Firebringer]

Let's assume Firebringer and GC are scum

Firebringer, GC, HEM, Isis, someone outside your golden group right now. HEM/Isis gets lynched. Mafia wins.

seems like a risky gambit.

my kind of play tbh. also at this point i think u and looker would get mislynched rather than isis. But I get ur point.

[Firebringer]

Fire, I want to locktown you and sheep your reads, but you don't really telegraph them and your "% chance in top 5 of activity" is really sketchy as hell.

What part of my reads have I not telegraphed? Besides like maybe GC? And Looker is taken from ali god read.

My scumreads are half POE and half I don't see anything strong to townread any of them on. So I can argue with u on any of them because the people I townread I am very confident on right now.

[Firebringer]

and sheep your read

You keep doing this to different players and. Ever following through and it’s not a good look.

can u trust him to be town because I say so?

Dude is totally in his town game.

[Firebringer]

It’s manipulative.

Okay, so would that necessarily be scum-indicative for me?

Look at me. Sheeping FB’s town read of you. Ignoring a suuuuuuper weird Q of “yes maybe I’m manipulative but how can you say that’s not my town play?”

proud of u

[Firebringer]

I think the scum team is still:
Norwee/Elements/Deimos

If you have townreads on any of those 3 right now. Let us argue about them now.

[Firebringer]

proud of u

I want a star.

[Firebringer]

I townread Elements and Deimos, Elements is pocketing me by townreading me and Deimos is pocketing me by scumreading me

ur right they must be town then

[Firebringer]

I have too many townreads for there to be multiple scum for the record

Elements takes unpopular positions a lot more frequently as town
I can't remember whether he's bucked that or matched that this game

really? He feels like he is matching everyones wavelengths exactly when he needs to this game. Ive seen him do it more than once.

[Firebringer]

and most of the time Elements is on his own little wavelength so for him to be matching wavelengths with others right when lynches are happening or during the times that flips are happening. Is strange.

[Firebringer]

FB what do you think about this? I will believe 100% of what you say if you give what I'm saying a fair view.

What is it i need to give fair view?

[Firebringer]

Deimos townread has a different tack to it
and is even weaker
I like the way he plays so I really don't want to greenlynch him if he's green

Deimos looks like he is trying to lock in HEM to his pocket by agreeing with him so much on Ali.
I don't think he is trying to pocket me but i still iffy on the deflection of my original scumread on him, when I start scumreading him again he still thinks i am town, or anything.

He agreed basically with everything HEM said also but doesn't think I was possibly TMI with ali townread (as HEM would say) and then try to lynch him? I don't take him for a paranoid person but i would suspect he might consider that and he didn't. Less overt buddying? Idk, don't think he is actually attempting to buddy me. Don't think he thinks he needs me but thinks HEM might be the leader he can piggy off from since HEM is actually getting things done and I am shouting in the wind.

[Firebringer]

What is it i need to give fair view?

Isolate to GC and HEM

#2044 - #2102
And back to current time when he shades me for being manipulative.

I have 4 players in my golden group and I already said i am not gonna consider lynching/pushing or even really seeing them in a scum light. So I don't know what to tell you but I think GC is town for w/e is in those pages because I am mentally blocking out possibility i am wrong on the 4.

Like at best if i go back and read that and i see anything bad ill just say its bad logic/bad reasoning. I don't think GC is scum. only time i would open up the 4 for reconsideration is if those are last 4 and game isn't over.

[Firebringer]

FB: can i get one last scumread out of you?

what?

[Firebringer]

u need to stop wanting to lynch in my solid townreads

[Firebringer]

Okay. Just don't get so wrapped up in it you lose perspective.

[Firebringer]

I didn't say i think there is one scum in it? I think at worst case scenario there is one. I am leaving room to doubt, and I think margin of error out of 4 of my townreads to have one scum sneak in it is pretty reasonable to say is a possibility.

[Firebringer]

do u not believe what i said in that post is true? or u think it was manipultive? what gives u the heebeejeebees

[Firebringer]

your townreads are based on activity, and it doesn't feel right, man.

no, that is supplemental support for my reads.

[Firebringer]

It is like icing on the cake to a really good cake. I don't need it, but it helps me see this game from a wider view.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer you realized I mathematically refuted the entire observation?

*realize

no, ur math explanation was dumb and ur a nerd for thinking it was a good refutation.

[Firebringer]

ALSO U BROUGHT UP MY PROFESSION ISIS TO SAY I WASNT GOOD ENOUGH IN MATH AND DIDNT UNDERSTAND THIS. SO NOW WE ARE MORTAL ENEMIES

[Firebringer]

okay but so far i haven't really townread GC. Can you show me which posts did you get your epiphany?

Can we go over this after Votato flip? I am too lazy to make my town case right now.

[Firebringer]

if i am going to one sentence explain my townread on GC its that GC is doing his own pushes/moves forward gamestate while being argumentative towards almost everyone. Which usually isn't the scum MO and I don't see deception in any posts from GC.

Like that is the best ur going to get from me right now without me doing ISO of everything.

[Firebringer]

I'm not sure what accountants use.

90% of what accountants do is just baisc arithmetic.

We have some formulas for when we are doing estimates, but everything else is just add/subtrct.

[Firebringer]

the real value in an accountant is the ability for them to understand a complex transaction and be able to summarize it in the simplicity that is accounts that need to be booked for a Debit/Credit.

[Firebringer]

if I was an accountant would I be able to comprehend national debts and fractional reserve banking without hyperventilating

probably not, unless you worked in governmental accounting.

u prolly would understand fractional reserve banking. Its actually not to complex from an accounting standpoint. They just hold more liabilities than they have in assets to cover their loans.

[Firebringer]

Yes, but i don't encourage masters except ur goal is for some specific jobs.

[Firebringer]

one of the world's oldest professions?

if u want to go for oldest profession. Then prostitution is the noblest and oldest of them all

[Firebringer]

FB: can i get one last scumread out of you?

what?

votato what u mean

[Firebringer]

but if i scumread u without meaning it, wouldn't it be unfair to both of us?

I don't want to lose something so special as our little scumreads we had on each other by faking it.

[Firebringer]

wow.....

fine, ur scum.

Not just for ur role pm but also for faking it with me.

[Firebringer]

Deimos what u want me to engage u on exactly right now?

do u think norwee flips town right now?

[Firebringer]

dont ever leave us votato

[Firebringer]

Let's set nsg up for a pagetop

no, she is an addict.

[Firebringer]

Scum!Firebringer is potentially trying to earn trust for LYLO, so he will bus.
or Town!Firebringer has good reads, so he will lynch scum.

Both of these scenarios means we'll have scum this day.

what happens we lynch Norwee and he flips town tho?

[Firebringer]

wait are we in LYLO now?

[Firebringer]

whats ur solve Norwee

also why is everyone saying "thats [Not] a good luck" when did everyone start spamming these look shits?

[Firebringer]

also why is everyone saying "thats [Not] a good luck" when did everyone start spamming these look shits?

That's not a good look, eh looker? Take a look at this guy who thinks looks aren't a good look to consider.

its post like this that i will miss once when we lynch u

[Firebringer]

i have a hard time believing u will redeem urself tbh.

[Firebringer]

Norwee ur just playing defense right now.

Where is the offensive player I saw win Mafia from Home.

[Firebringer]

Mafia from home was a loss.

okay but u still were on the offense team, not the defense team. U pushed for lynches all game. Ur like a passive nancy this whole game. I gave u leeway earlier because u said ur busy with life shit (exams) but u got excuses for me now? What up?

[Firebringer]

this is gonna be so funny if votato epic trolled us all and he flips scum. I will bow before his trolling if he did that.

[Firebringer]

im gonna go shout at NSG on discord. Which I don't think she ever checks.

[Firebringer]

man if I was in a try hard mood. I want to look through NorweiganboyEE cause my gut says town but my mind doesn't like he isn't actively pushing anything.

Brb while i manufacture some content.
Oh, right. I don’t have much time so won’t be efforting. Never mind.

What should be my takeaway from this post Norwee

That exams are a bitch.

[Firebringer]

no, i only said u made that one. U haven't really improved since. Ur still on defense btw. I want some offense play. Show me the fire.

[Firebringer]

also i have been efforting...

I really hope you are scum this game cus i ain't seeing it. You had some nice fluff posts though, and you do indeed have some moments of funny. But if this is your towngame and how you "effort" then i'm not impressed.

also whats with this homosexual post.

r u trying to guilt trip me into townreading u? its been bugging me forever.

[Firebringer]

i could see that norwee is sexually attracted to me, but i am taken by my one true love: votato

[Firebringer]

whats the purpose of 2288. It looks manipulative to me. Explain ur thought process.

[Firebringer]

because it looked like a "you should townread me because you are better than this. You are playing so bad. Aren't you good at this?" which seems like something scum would go for.

[Firebringer]

Should I be townreading you?

[Firebringer]

if norwee is town and the elements counterwagon was just town trying to lynch scummier scum I have to feel sad.

uve made this type of post so many times now.

Its making me paranoid of u.

[Firebringer]

isis stop making me second guess my town lock group. I don't want or need it rn.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Norweegian

[Firebringer]

isis do u think elements is with Norwee and thinks bussing is gonna make him look good?

[Firebringer]

Isis i really hope ur not scum because I feel like ive been shielding u all game.

ur gonna have an unhappy firebringer post game if u are.

[Firebringer]

okay thats it.

nsg, lay off the pagetops or we are sending u to counselling

[Firebringer]

isis do u think elements is with Norwee and thinks bussing is gonna make him look good?

I think that's what gc is doing

Why is ur group also include HEM in that?

[Firebringer]

Firebringer do you think Isis-GC-Hem town wins the game if norwee flips red? The mafia can't get parity

ummmmmm i am still going for U-GC-HEM-Looker final group. I just have lingering doubts on u.

[Firebringer]

ur various progression on players.
now i don't feel like ur really thinking about the game idk. ur really going with the flow of the game it feels.

[Firebringer]

Norwee who do u trust the towns hands in right now if it isn't u?

[Firebringer]

I think this golden group thing is a scam

ur in it...

[Firebringer]

I wanted you to engage me on Alisae D3 and Norwee D4. You can still redeem yourself by articulating your scumread on the latter so I can understand where you're even coming from with your reads.

i think i already explained alisae townread? Alisae has a more of "in control" kind of play as scum. E never seemed to have control this whole game. E is also better at getting me to do what E wants when E is scum. None of that was present here. The flailing around while getting lynched, the unconvincing arguments. That is more town E than scum E. Scum E can convince me of things. Town E doesn't really.

[Firebringer]

also since when did i need to redeem myself?

[Firebringer]

FB: There's no basis for trusting anyone is 100% town in this setup

as the official auditor I give my unqualified opinion that my basis for understanding this game from experience that my reads are trustworthy. =)

[Firebringer]

i am starting to think therapy/intervention/etc won't help nsg.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer, are you right about Norwee?

if ur looking for unbriddled confidence. Uve come to the wrong place.

I think he is the most scummiest player here. I think Deimos is a close second. Last scum would just be PoE Elements. But elements weird takes on this game seem almost townie to me at this point.

Because I don't think you're right about GC or Looker being town.
I also don't think you're right about Deimos being scum.

Do u think Deimos is town jsut because u and him agree with each other alot?

[Firebringer]

We can end it for u if u like

[Firebringer]

I didn't ask for Alisae tr, I asked for Norwee sr. My use of the past tense there implied that you should have already engaged me on the days listed, rather than letting us mislynch your tr's with relative apathy.

okay well i also explained Norwee scumread. Do you wish for me to repeat myself?

In addition to my annoyance about your behaviour days 3 and 4, I'm also annoyed you initially dodged/missed my follow-up question about your Alisae read, and just now dodged/missed my question about your Norwee read.

Ive been engaging u as much as u go to engage with me. So his "ur dodging/missed" is like ???? U missed my explanation of Norwee scum.

Are u actually annoyed by this stuff or by me scumreading u?

[Firebringer]

I can see maybe ur annoyed cause it seems like i have scumread u all game (and only in my inner thoughts did i ever put u at Null i never voiced it that u left my scumreads) but nothing ive seen from u tells me ur really town.

I never completely bought ur initial townread of me because I don't think u really thought about my scumcase (mostly cause u said u didn't even understand most of the post).
So now i almost want to go back to that response of just waving a townread of me for my scumcase on u originally.

[Firebringer]

btw isis i just got done with running. Feeling good of that runners high.

AMA i am in a good mood.

[Firebringer]

Is looker town

if he is scum, im def not gonna be fooled by this attitude he projects.

He def doesn't seem like he is manipulating anyone in the direct fashion.
So yeah, i think ali was right and he is town.

[Firebringer]

if he is scum, im def not gonna be fooled by this attitude he projects.

i mean by this "if i ever play with looker again this attitude he projects won't fool me"

[Firebringer]

how would u describe his scum game?

[Firebringer]

is his reads look like he is trying to placate anyone? I don't even think that is happening. I don't see him just agreeing with the general players. If he is scum he is going out of his way to do his own little thing in a weird way.

[Firebringer]

@FB: What attitude? I feel like I'm being gaslit.

galighting doesn't exist, thats just a thing women made up

this is a joke

[Firebringer]

is the joke that 2385 is itself gaslighting

yes

[Firebringer]

@FB: What attitude? I feel like I'm being gaslit.

galighting doesn't exist, thats just a thing women made up

this is a joke

Please avoid using excessively small text.

if you stop getting pagetops ill stop.

[Firebringer]

This just tells me that the scum team is the people who've been running the show the entire time.

u were running the show for day 3 and less so day 4 but still present

[Firebringer]

u gonna hammer norwee or is there anything ur still looking for this day cause i don't think we are gaining anything new at this point.

[Firebringer]

go for it

[Firebringer]

You don’t have the balls. You’ll never do it.

lol gonna miss u bud

[Firebringer]

i really hope ur fucking with me.

[Firebringer]

if this is town just lynch me. lets just lose this game at this point. Fuck this

[Firebringer]

Shed those delicious salty tears Firebringer. I love them.

kinky

[Firebringer]

if norwee is town lets just lynch whoever he wants. So we can call him bad if he is the wrong one.

[Firebringer]

Norwee, I don't care who it is. Give me the player we lynch 100% tomorrow to stake this whole game on.

[Firebringer]

yea im starting to think im being fucked with

[Firebringer]

yea im starting to think im being fucked with

We'll see who's being fucked with when the river of a thousand sorrows opens up in union with the grand announcement of Nightsidegal's flip.

ur definitely fucking with me.

[Firebringer]

kind of looks it

[Firebringer]

Votecount 5.Final

Target	Wagon
NorwegianboyEE (5)	Elements (2537), Firebringer (2538), Green Crayons (2540), Isis (2854), NorwegianboyEE (2863)
Not Voting (3)	Deimos27, Looker, humaneatingmonkey (2704)

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

NorwegianboyEE was lynched. He was a

Mafia Goon

.

Woot

Also nsg, HEM voted for Norwee

corrected.

-nsg

[Firebringer]

i want everyone in here giving thoughts post Norwee before I vote anything. We don't need to rush lynches.

[Firebringer]

NSG u deleted the flip from the post count u just edited.

[Firebringer]

the good news is we get 1 extra mislynch and I feel so good i don't think we need it.

[Firebringer]

we can worry about GC if game isn't over after Elements/Deimos are finally sorted.

I am wondering if Elements is really scum here or if i am wrong on that.

[Firebringer]

i don't doubt ur town

[Firebringer]

townreads:
{Isis, HEM}
{Looker, GC}
{Elements}
{Deimos}

I am not gonna doubt Isis anymore. Fine with her for remainder of game.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Deimos

Looking at VCs, Deimos pushing all the mislynches is just too much for me.

[Firebringer]

Deimos was on one scum wagon this whole game. It was Cycle Men. Everything else is him pushing town. Never once touched the Norwee wagon.

[Firebringer]

thats fine. No rush needed. I just don't think Deimos will be able to convince me he is town here.

[Firebringer]

Votecount 5.Final

Target	Wagon
NorwegianboyEE (5)	Elements (2537), Firebringer (2538), Green Crayons (2540), Isis (2854), humaneatingmonkey (2863)
Green Crayons (1)	NorwegianboyEE (2577)
Not Voting (2)	Deimos27, Looker

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

NorwegianboyEE was lynched. He was a

Mafia Goon

.

that norwee vote on GC.....i don't want to get paranoid but i wonder if that was a distancing vote.

[Firebringer]

the townblock is gonna be u and HEM. Gonna have to work to convince me Elements here for me to place him in that.

[Firebringer]

i can see either
Elements/Deimos

or
GC/Deimos

Can elements/GC anyone convince me which is more likely. I don't think anyone will convince me Deimos is town atm

[Firebringer]

damn i regret us lynching ABR at this point. We could have really used him for final 3 players.

[Firebringer]

he probably would have been obvi townie at this point to everyone

[Firebringer]

well now's your time to reread, man

yeah i really need to do this

townreads:
{Isis, HEM}
{Looker, GC}
{Elements}
{Deimos}

I am not gonna doubt Isis anymore. Fine with her for remainder of game.

This reads list needs firebringer at the bottom

i am a top man myself tho

[Firebringer]

I wasn't on one scum lynch.

I don't expect u to be.

[Firebringer]

i am insulted i wasn't already a scumlock, isis.

ur unfriended.

[Firebringer]

I see a world where this is something like GC/Looker, but I also see a world where this is something like FB/Elements (where scum did a 2v2 split bus on each other D1).

how does a team of me/elements work if i am bussing both norwee and elements and explicitly taking myself out of the final 4 players?

[Firebringer]

am i crazy that i should be obv town to everyone and think deimos is planning scenarios to break up anyone who is townread heavily or am i consipracy thinking over here.

[Firebringer]

i really think Deimos is trying to wiggle people out of thinking me and HEM are town.

Which is kind of a strange strategy for scum!him to take since we suspect him the most, but also is like scum play 101 to break up townblocks. So idk...

[Firebringer]

Looker, do you have no other suspicions of HEM than just "running the show"?

is this just questioning read or was i reading into it?

[Firebringer]

I'm gonna say HEM has been towny enough throughout for me to commit to that read.

this contradicts my earlier statement.

maybe i am just conspiracy theorist over here.

[Firebringer]

i guess we can consider this game on hold until next week????

i am fine with leaving this game alone for a week.

[Firebringer]

every person in this game is scum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Firebringer]

keeping my townreads from biting each others heads off is like a full time job

[Firebringer]

V/LA till Monday

just to make it clear not doing anything till Monday.
UNVOTE:

[Firebringer]

I just want to make one more note for this game in case I forget it.

If anyone remembers day 1. I made a case on Deimos. After I made it we got a flash votes of like 3-4 people voting Deimos. It eventually subsided. Who wasn't on it? Norwee. Who also was discrediting the wagon? Norwee.

Go read it for yourself and think "do you think Norwee is subtly protecting an ally or protecting a town by discrediting fire". Cause my money is on he is going for soft defense.

That is all.

Cya on monday

[Firebringer]

i am willing to lynch looker. Odds him fliping scum are probably less than 40%.
His reads are going to fuck the town over if this game goes to like final 4 though if he is town.

He isn't doing anything to rectify bad reads either so.

[Firebringer]

ohhh look it looks like vote count 1.11 is an all town wagon on Deimos with zero scum.
Wonder why they didn't touch it.

[Firebringer]

i kind of still bet this game on a elements/deimos team tbh

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Elements

[Firebringer]

i don't want ur dirty vote, i know where its been.

[Firebringer]

i think elements townread on me and isis don't make sense.
I think elements looks bad when i follow his vote history. ill steal a deimos line that he seems like he knows more than he should (he votes scum so much and i can't figure out how he comes to those conclusions but he did)
and i don't think he feels very townie to begin with.

[Firebringer]

elements if scum is playing the game where he busses quite a lot trying to distance. I almost think he is bussing because he thinks those are votes he would be doing as town? But I actually don't think those are the people he would be pushing. I think elements would be pushing players like looker for instance.

Isis u know elements best, what i got wrong.

[Firebringer]

elements had been pushing norwee since like day 2.....i can't find any reason he found norwee scum (someone look again for me, i iz lazy) and yet he basically didn't give a reason while pushing him all the way till he was lynched. Like I know i don't give alot of reasons but i think for someone i had been pushing on/off for like 4-5 days? I would probably have some announced stuff to say of why i am doing it?

[Firebringer]

Fire, if you're right about everything, I think you're one of the most underrated town players on this site.

It's okay, you can put that in your sig.

i prefer to be known as the funniest town player. tyvm

[Firebringer]

Do Deimos/Elements have any interactions in this game? I was just thinking if those two actually make sense as allies and i was thinking independently they make sense as scum but i am wondering if they even had interaction.

[Firebringer]

Norwegian and Elements need re-reading. My initial catch-up thoughts were slight leans towards scum!Norwegian and town!Elements but those were back on like page 4 so these folks are first on the to-ISO list.

OHH SO YOU HAD A SCUM LEAN OF NORWEE AND NEVER VOTED HIM HUH!?!??!?!

[Firebringer]

@Norwegian, use your words and explain to me the Elements wagon. All I see in your iso is a naked vote.

would deimos call out one ally for naked voting another ally?

[Firebringer]

I'm relatively convinced Crayons is town now. Norwegian might just be town too.
AMA

Disappointed nobody took me up on this, but I'll explain now that I thought Norwegian is town for his positioning around the Cycle Men wagon.

Spoiler: Norwegian

VOTE: Cycle Man
Weird posts.

Look at Cycle men’s ISO. LOOK AT IT.
If that slot is town then i can safely say gg. We lost.

Look at Cycle men’s ISO. LOOK AT IT.
If that slot is town then i can safely say gg. We lost.

Look at ABR's ISO. LOOK AT IT.
If that slot is town then i can safely say gg. We lost.

I disagree. ABR could be excused by inactivity due to being busy IRL. Meanwhile Cycle men has consistently posted garbage. Showing that they had the potential to make good posts, but did not.

Cycle Man

>joins the game, but not really

im sorry did you expect me to have the game solved in half an hour on page 2?
how hard are you gonna try and force this?

Bruh, your defense would look a lot better if you had posted anything at all that would advance the game prior to this.

keyword: pretending

So who are the ones pretending according to you?

You don't have reads, got it.

There are multiple slots in this game i’d be happy to see get policy lynched tbh.

I'm thinking we should find out who this Clemency guy is and lynch him. He looks pretty scummy.

Cycle man joins the battle, your mom, could go for a burger right now.

Yes, it’s a great entrance!

All this time Norwegian is pushing relatively hard (about as hard as can be expected from the memey low-effort playstyle he promised) and promoting a Cycle Men lynch. At this point it's still possible this is a planned bus to win towncred, but I think he commits rather heavily and for surprisingly long (all the way to L-1) before he, eventually, changes his mind, voting HEM and:

Cycle Men. Is it weird if i consider it town that you’re just as confused as i am?

Cycle men you weren’t this active or solvey before. What changed?

Cycle Men's behaviour did change: he became more active and started to effort somewhat, so I think this is a reasonable change in stance, especially seeing as Norwegian's main qualm with him appears to be his contentless jokeposting play. His mechanisms for the read are different than mine, which is why it feels consistent and natural to move off it.

If the plan was to bus the slot, it's still completely possible. Scum look too much at being consistent at how their reads look rather than being consistent with the reasoning behind their reads. There's reason to think scum!Norwegian here would continue to bus rather than move off, something town!Norwegian does probably almost every time with these lines of enquiry.

Element flip will give much more valuable information than Clemency in my opinion. This excessive concern against the initial wagon from Humaneatingmonkey is pretty weird.

At the end of the day he insists that Elements, whom he scumreads, is better than Cycle Men, whom he's less sure about now and has less clear associative tells according to him (at least regarding Alisae). Surface level analysis says this looks scummy for trying to avoid the Cycle Men lynch, which is why scum might be afraid to do so. In any case it's an awfully weak effort if he really wants to derail the wagon, which reflects his remaining uncertainty about the alignment of Cycle Men and how though he thinks Elements lynch is better, he doesn't think it's

that

much better. If the scum gameplan is to sacrifice Cycle Men, he'd be jumping on. If it's to mislynch, he'd fight at least a bit harder.

Upshot is he's quite consistent about the slot and with how he changes his mind, in ways I don't really expect from scum.

town case on norwee. I don't have analysis for this, just want to note it for me to remind myself to like analyze it later.

[Firebringer]

Isis, Deimos, votato--am I being stupid with this? It looks like scumteam daytalk coordination to me.

Spoiler: Cycle & Norwegian

NorwEE, GC, Elements, Looker

But I want you out of the game after the last page. You prove that you're impossible to sort, and I think you're better flipped than alive.

so you're saying half my scumteam was already on my wagon before your troupe turned back on me

Feels like Alisae just instructed their team to vote me based on the last page alone.

This is super weird. I thought Norweg came up with the idea that the Ail + HME + Isis were a scum group doing a group shift away from cycle to Norwegian. But it was actually Cycle in post 913--literally one minute before Norweg's 914--referring to "your troupe."

Like, the thing that I keep coming back to is that

Cycle first said that Ali/Human/Isis were a scum team switching from Cycle to Norwegian

ONE MINUTE LATER Norwegian in the very next post says that Ali/Human/Isis were a scum team, but doesn’t reference Cycle’s theory

Cycle later seemed to make it look like Norwegian’s idea

Cycle makes the idea look like Norwegian's in Post 935.
Norwegian doesn't refute that he thought the idea was Cycle in Post 1402.

I'll respond to this because I think it's the most interesting part of the Norwegian case. What I don't get is why 935 is Cycle making the idea look like Norwegian's. Cycle never accused Ali of making eir team vote Norwee - that was Norwee himself. It would be weirder if Cycle were to claim that accusation as his own and say something like "because I called you out on it", when he never did. And why would you expect either of them to be commenting on who came up with Ali+HEM+Isis being a scumteam? They are permitted to hold their own opinions on that independently.

If I had to summarize where your mistake is, I'd say it's in equivocating "Ali+Hem+Isis are scum" and "Ali commanded Hem + Isis to vote Norwegian" as ideas. They are distinct.

What's most important here is that Norwegian looks way too much like he's buddying Cycle. That's not scum behaviour here. If he didn't want Cycle to be lynched, he'd be defending him. He never does that. He merely imitates some of the thought processes and looks to be taking his side. Like I disagree that this is scum!Norwee who'd suddenly decided he didn't want a Cycle Men lynch. The way you avoid a lynch isn't by building some vague rapport and closeness, it's by appealing with logic and actually trying to persuade. What Norwee does is the opposite of orthodox scum distancing.

This post was so massively wrong, i want to call deimos town for it.

[Firebringer]

would deimos call out one ally for naked voting another ally?

my vote is nope

lets say deimos is town.

elements is scum.

who is last scum? Looker?

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You know, Elements. Even though you've voted me multiple times. You haven't a single time engaged me with anything or commented on anything i've said.

>.< now this makes me think elements is town.

[Firebringer]

I think the fact that norwee talks AT Elements is still a possibility that elements isn't town.
Norwee isn't really looking to engage with Elements I think.

Norwee interacting with town is more interactive. Elements no.

[Firebringer]

i think elements is gonna be my answer for todays lynch. But lets wait for Deimos.

[Firebringer]

no one was really pushing Looker.

[Firebringer]

FB isn't as bombastic as HEM, so it's easier for HEM to draw all the negative attention. FB is just more diplomatic.

i never thought i would be call a diplomatic.

[Firebringer]

Elements answer for ur crimes!!!!

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I move my vote a lot as town
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I don't as scum
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pls don't mod kill me

ohhh lol.

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VOTE: Deimos

ITS TIME!

IF YOU BELIEVE IN ME. FOLLOW! IF YOU DONT STAY OUT OF THE WAY!

[Firebringer]

If deimos is scum. He isn't scum with Elements!

[Firebringer]

UNVOTE:
I am too disoriented today for mafia, sorry friends.

[Firebringer]

Were you assuming Deimos would be lynched before you got back?

i don't even understand where ur going with this.

if i decided deimos lynch and was hoping it would be lynched before i got back, why would i unvote?

[Firebringer]

Has Firebringer just played the best scumgame I've seen out of him? Maybe that's what's going on.

thank you

[Firebringer]

Hope=/=assume. Who did you think would hammer in your absence?

...what?

[Firebringer]

I am going to do a re-read of this game sometime today. Please stay on the line and enjoy the elevator music while I am gone.

[Firebringer]

I am going to do a re-read of this game sometime today. Please stay on the line and enjoy the elevator music while I am gone.

How long are your days? Do you live on Venus?

i live on a planet with 27 earth days equivalent of a day

[Firebringer]

i am gonna layout my thoughts of recent in greater detail so people can understand where my mind is going.

Elements i think could be town, he could have posted that post about his meta and was worried about being modkilled because he was mod killed for claiming he did a trust tell before, which makes me a bit nervous. He still seems scum to me but now i can envision this game FMPOV that he is town. Problem with him to me is i think he still seems scummy to me but then Isis says town but is not confident in it (at least i don't think she is)

I think Deimos is still likely scum but weaker in it than Elements, Deimos reads this game seem like scum readsd, his positions seem like things scum would do to get mislynches going. He has been pretty wrong on a lot of players (doesnt mean scum but i kind of think town would have more reason to see townieness in some posts he just claimed "ohh yeh this is scum". Also his analysis is lot of times backwards than mine. He will take a view that is very unorthodox to most. Again doesn't mean scum but it always piques my interest when i see people analyzing stuff and coming to the opposite conclusions i get to. My self doubt, plus HEM telling me i am wrong, plus I am almost certain Elements is not teammates with Deimos. Plus the other scum don't look like his teammates. Makes me want to push this read aside.

Looker is a terrible town player. He is playing terrible here. Lynching him is probably waste of everyones time.
Isis...I said im not going to doubt myself so i wont.
HEM is def town. He tunneled Alisae just like his town self would.

To me this game has to be elements/deimos but i keep finding dozens of reasons why that is wrong.

[Firebringer]

Sorry if i am wrong ELements
VOTE: Elements

[Firebringer]

confident firebringer isn't with u right now. This is uncertain fire.

[Firebringer]

we can lynch me if elements is town

[Firebringer]

he could be town disillusioned with my read on him. I don't know why i bother argue why he is town though.

[Firebringer]

if elements flips scum we can revisit isis.

[Firebringer]

well wouldn't u lynch scum either way? if elements is town we just lynch me.
if elements is scum then we still look at isis tomorrow.

I actually kind of believe Isis/elements is a plausibility.

[Firebringer]

you think its us two.......

[Firebringer]

u agree with Looker?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Firebringer]

ELEMENTS I DONT BELIEVE FOR A MINUTE YOU THINK WE ARE TEAMMATES WHO DO U THINK IS GOING TO BUY THAT?!?!

[Firebringer]

ELEMENTS I DONT BELIEVE FOR A MINUTE YOU THINK WE ARE TEAMMATES WHO DO U THINK IS GOING TO BUY THAT?!?!

why not?

because i think objectively its the team that makes the least sense next to u and deimos being on a team

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Looker

why is looker scum instead of bad town? also why am i his ally?

[Firebringer]

i cant be the rock of this game.
UNVOTE:

[Firebringer]

i want to say yes

[Firebringer]

i just need some god damn confidence.

[Firebringer]

why cant i have that

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Looker

[Firebringer]

You've gone out of your way to not vote him.

just did lol

[Firebringer]

As insulting as you're being, this looks like TMI.

yea

[Firebringer]

its not good posting.

but i like ur vote

[Firebringer]

i think u and i both know i am not scum. I think we both know that people rarely sheep dead player reads, so i don't know why u kept bringing up "lets lynch u to sheep ur reads".

but i don't care about any of that.

[Firebringer]

im not going to hate u for being wrong town. Gonna be massively annoyed at u for pushing my lynch to annoy me if ur scum.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer if you're town there's scum in your townreads at this point so
we all lose sometimes
mafia is hard ok
cut me some slack

okay then.

u forgive me if ur town because i am not going down to a possible scum u.

VOTE: Isis

[Firebringer]

Scum definitely exist in my townreads Isis. I am basically townreading everyone here except Deimos. So ur definitely right.

[Firebringer]

im not dumb

i am

[Firebringer]

im not dumb

i am

you're scum

then why u not voting me

[Firebringer]

can i motivate u by giving u a cheer or something.

i don't want to lynch u when ur all despirited

[Firebringer]

I am basically townreading everyone here except Deimos.

Then why are you not voting Demios?

how sure r u on deimos

[Firebringer]

sorry i wasn't interested in ur question

[Firebringer]

Is anyone who votes you scum?

probably

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Deimos

Isis u can lynch me next.

[Firebringer]

well i am bored of this game.

[Firebringer]

i just want done with this game. Its no longer fun to open this thread and see my posts and how much confidence i used to have and now its gone.

[Firebringer]

I really have to be most interested in lynching Deimos out of those options but I'm not happy about it he's so fun

then vote me. wtf r u doing contributing to apathy of not doing shit

[Firebringer]

Vote someone. I told u this game isn't fun. I don't give a shit who u push for a lynch but ur not pushing anyone and I think ur part of the problem here if ur not going for a lynch one anyone.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: firebringer don't be a firerunt about it this time

good now stick to it. and if u unvote it better be to vote someone else or i will rage again at u

[Firebringer]

we haven't seen a lynch in what? 2 weeks? I don't think i am being unreasonable here.

[Firebringer]

[quote="In post 2883, northsidegal"][/quote]
it will be 2 weeks this friday.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer, you too. I need your full double down on your reads right now.

my lynch order is

Deimos > GC > Elements > Looker > Isis > You

[Firebringer]

I am L-1.

Give me any fucking reason i shouldn't put myself out my misery.

[Firebringer]

Nevermind. Ill let u recruit another person do it.

[Firebringer]

only if u vote someone else.

[Firebringer]

i want an open relationship of scumminess