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[Blatant Scum]

1) Umlaut
2) Auro
3) Zulfy
4) Looker
5) Hoctac
Claim.

Makes more sense.

[Umlaut]

I've already claimed VT.

Also, I'd prefer to have the order chosen by... anyone but you. I'd say I want Looker to do it but after how he played in our other game I don't really like that either.

So let's popcorn.

Hoctac, you're up.

If Hoctac doesn't respond in a reasonable amount of time, then Zulfy can claim.

[Umlaut]

And I'll assume this means you're locking in the Follower claim.

[Ircher]

Day 4 VC #3

Umlaut (1): Looker (1825)
Looker (0):
Not Voting (6): Auro, clidd, Zulfy, Blatant Scum, Hoctac, Umlaut (1750)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch a player.

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[Hoctac]

Traitor seems too schticksy for Ircher.
Both of my neighbors would be cruel.

What do you mean by too "schticksy"?

[Hoctac]

Especially Hoctac that looks like a ghost in his infinite VLA.

I'm here for a bit!

[Hoctac]

Neighbours are gonna claim between ourselves in the hood. Once we're done, Looker should go ahead and claim and then we can out what we claimed from the hood.

[Hoctac]

If Umlaut is town, traitor is a lot more likely than 3 scum being in the hood, I don't see how that would pass review for a "normal" game.

I feel like my old friend Umlaut probably flips scum here though lul. You couldn't find it within yourself to betray me in the Blitz, but you have no qualms now, eh? Why did you popcorn me over Auro/Zulfy, as in why am I more suspect?

[Hoctac]

VOTE: Umlaut

clidd, it doesn't make sense to lynch anyone in the hood today. Most likely, this just flips scum, and then I need to figure out if it's Auro or Zulfy or even consider the traitor possibility. That should be fun.

[Umlaut]

You've done a bunch of things that rub me wrong this game whereas Zulfy hasn't so much.

• Thinking of Informed Townie as an option for Quick and then just throwing in "but is that even normal, wut?" without at all second-guessing your assurance that he was scum
  
  
• The weirdness around the Persivul/Ame case thing, which I first wrote off as goofiness and then you tried to pass it off as serious and then later you pretty much admitted it wasn't
  
  
• You keep claiming vigilante and seemingly letting people take it seriously while playing in such a ha-ha-zany way that you could easily take it back without raising too many eyebrows, and that itself raises mine

[Umlaut]

It all seems like you're playing in a would-scum-make-themselves-so-conspicious manner. I think that you as scum would indeed make yourself so conspicuous.

[Hoctac]

I'm afraid all your reasons are utterly NAI, Umaut.

[Umlaut]

Oh, well if you say so.

[Hoctac]

OH, there was a reason for the vig thing. I thought there was a possibility that Ame was odd-night cop or lying about being 1-shot, so I claimed I'd vig her to maybe deter a nightkill. It's the same reason I claimed I'd vig her two days prior because Persivul had claimed a PR. She lived through N2 but I don't think scum believed me for N3 lul. I would've bought it.

[Hoctac]

That said, I am not retracting my vig claim.

[Looker]

bro are u like mad

Who?

I think Clidd is scum.

Think he's a mafia goon

I don't believe his claim at all

And above that I don't believe his play

Do you think this is a fishing attempt to out PRs with private communication?

We can treat Looker as an IC. Agree?

I usually get treated like a VI.

You weren't really in the radar and I'm very radar-centric.
I just haven't had a reason to think you might be scum.

It's kind of convenient to not have to commit to a read.

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• Zulfy pushed me because he's from Wisconsin.
  
• Umlaut has a hard-on for my hammer in Micro 938.
  
• I'll claim when and if Clidd tells me to.

[Zulfy]

foo

[Zulfy]

Do you think this is a fishing attempt to out PRs with private communication?

No I think it's an attempt to make the lynch be in the hood.

[Zulfy]

Also you have already functionally claimed VT Looker.

[Umlaut]

I can't help feeling it's more

elegant

for the setup to have three scum in the neighborhood, and for that to be the "thing" about the setup, than to have two in the neighborhood and a traitor outside it. I'm not saying this is the sole consideration in deciding which setup is more likely, but it's something I'm taking into account.

[Auro]

It does sound, but considering the claims outside the hood and optimal independent D1 PR play in a vacuum, it would be balanced against the scumteam.

[Zulfy]

But the claims are coming from scum

[Umlaut]

1) Umlaut
2) Auro
3) Zulfy
4) Hoctac
5) Looker
Claim.

1) Umlaut
2) Auro
3) Zulfy
4) Looker
5) Hoctac
Claim.

Makes more sense.

Can you explain how you chose this order originally, and what made you decide to change it?

[Umlaut]

Actually I think the optimal thing for today is to figure out who is B.S.' most likely partner in the neighborhood if he is a traitor, and then lynch that person. If we're wrong about B.S. being a traitor then whomever we pick in that way still has a 2/3 chance of being scum, and probably higher since it's unlikely that we choose the otherwise towniest neighbor.

[Auro]

But the claims are coming from scum

Yes, but if all scum in hood, the claims would have to be true.
Quick ideally should have outed the information immediately. Town PRs should have targeted purely within the hood, regardless of what the hood mechanic is. Given the optimal play uninformed of hood composition, 3 scum in hood to begin with would've been pretty bad for them.