Mini 2136 | City That Never Sleeps [Game over!]

[skitter30]

Except town faces a lot more inertia to overcome to solve; scum don't need to be as informed of the gamestate to make a posting effort. This is definitely not NAI

i've literally seen people as both alignments doing that tho
and i think it's technically against site rules these days to:

a) announce that you're repping out in thread
b) vocally read anything into a replacement

[skitter30]

also while i have seen town do that occasionally, i've seen scum do that significantly more often

[skitter30]

Titus replaces SausasaurusRex.

heya titus!

[skitter30]

If acryon is telling the truth about not seeing the soft then my point is moot. He was talking about getting back to an Allo wagon before the nom deadline wagon happened though, like it wasn’t just the one vote I’m talking about.

sorry i'm still not following
allo wasn't really viable at that point, i don't think that scum thinks that they were going to get that deadline lynch there really

especially since acryon knows he's vla over the weekend and wouldn't be able to nudge people in that direction

[skitter30]

GuiltyLion's vote park looks like scum to me regardless of your alignment, so I want to start there too.

interesting.
which votepark, the current one on karnage?
because the obvious followup is why is my votepark not scum indicative too?

[skitter30]

Wait this is a three scum left game, so that means two out of those three are likely scum.

hmmm low-key unless she like literally didn't check the scum pt before starting to post

[skitter30]

Now I'm going to run the numbers if GL is town.

Very little wagon participation suggests Karnage is town.

why tho?
why aren't scum piling on in this case?

[skitter30]

Why do you consider GL to be voteparking but not skitter?

- Smarter

I think this is it.

I consider GL's votepark more of a scummy votepark. Skitter looks more like a tunnel than a lazy votepark if that makes sense from just eyeballing the VCA.

honestly i'm kinda puzzled how you come to differentiate between my and gl's votes this way

also he sees the same thing i see in karnage so i think he's pretty townie tbh

[skitter30]

Hm I think Titus is town for the slip

Let's lynch Skitter?

auro is there anything you wanna talk about beyond 'hmm poe let's lynch skitter'?

[skitter30]

Pedit: I inferred the Allomancer wagon derailed because he claimed Traffic Analyst. Is this not the case?

well he didn't claim exactly
he just softed super hard and we presume that scum saw it since he died
and that's kinda why i towrnead gl, for seeing it and how he pivoted away there

[skitter30]

I could be down to lynch skitter but I want a replacement for karnage first. And more content from Titus.

um, hi, since when is this a thing ?

[skitter30]

if people think i'm scum why don't you just vote me or tell me why instead of pussy-footing around maybe calling me scum if other people are down for it

it feels like you're feeling your way into seeing if it would be acceptable to vote there without actually committing to it @limit

[skitter30]

Guilty is following Skitter IMO.

i didn't really get that vibe tbh?

[skitter30]

Karnage, i believe you ignored me asking why you townread him

[skitter30]

There should be one scum apart from Karnage: who?

I townread him because his posting reflects an actual struggle to solve. Replacing out because he's unable to read the game is +town. This isn't a super fast game, D2 has been pretty slow - it really isn't much effort as scum, but I can totally understand why town!K thinks he's unable to do a good job.

i don't know who the other scum is
my best guess for a partner would be eve

i'm kinda baffled that you're townreading his posting tbh; it's kinda emblematic of scum being incapable of figuring out how to get into the game and thus forcing themselves to post once in a while
similarly, the rep-out looks exactly like the dozen rep-outs i've seen from scum who feel detached from the game and want to give the slot to someone else that they think can do a better job

like it's not impossible that these things come from town but they come from scum so much more often that i'm just confused how you're defaulting to townreading it

[skitter30]

@skitter:

It should be fairly clear I scumread your slot strongly on D1 based on our interactions. I was actually waiting to see what Titus posted about your slot since I agreed with bbmolla and thought the scumteam might be you/titus based on how you defended rex from me in D1, and the reactions from the two of you now as well as titus’ lack of interest in pushing your slot seem to align with that.

i mean, why haven't you pushed me this whole time?
i was under the impression we came to a mutual understanding that we misunderstood each other
if this has been simmering under the lid the whole time why haven't you brought it up or tried to address it until other people starting throwing my name in the mix?
like day2 has been slow as anything, the last like three irl days would have been a good time to try to resolve this, no?

[skitter30]

Multiple people were suggesting allo as a lynch and I’m pretty sure that could have been the lynch if I hadn’t been opposing it. I think it’s false to say allo wasn’t a viable wagon towards the end of the day because he definitely was. And acryon was one of the people suggesting it.

no, he really wasn't?
he had already softed and besides for a throw-away vote by acryon nobody was really talking about him at that point

like i don't think that scum!acryon thinks that that's going anywhere really

can you update me on your reads plz?

(and i guess if you/smart have a difference of opinion somewhere, say that too?)

[skitter30]

TLDNE/Skit, I think both of you all are town, I'll let you two continue to hash it out if it'll help you reach that same conclusion, but I just want it on the record y'all my townbloc and we're gonna win this game against Karnage and whoever the partner is

idk
i'm kinda having a hard time with limit here again, why are you townreading them again?

[skitter30]

Hello person.

Can someone talk to me about Eve? The only noteworthy thing I can remember her doing is softing traffic analyst on page 1.

-Smart

the one thing i kinda remember liking about her is her reaction to auro being ok with being out of the townbloc

[skitter30]

i'm kinda baffled that you're townreading his posting tbh; it's kinda emblematic of scum being incapable of figuring out how to get into the game and thus forcing themselves to post once in a while
similarly, the rep-out looks exactly like the dozen rep-outs i've seen from scum who feel detached from the game and want to give the slot to someone else that they think can do a better job

Except

this is a slow ass game now, it's not moving very fast. Show me the set of rep-outs where scum felt detached from a snail-paced gamestate such as this one.
As scum he doesn't have to do much. As town he'd have to devote significant mental energy to actually solve and refine his reads (which he calls in 1343 as not worth much). As scum he would be in a gamestate where he just NK'd the Traffic Analyst.

Also, one important fact: If both scum were in townbloc, isn't it higher utility for them to keep the TA around?

honestly, i think that both alignments could and would rep-out here if they felt the way that he did, and i think that the rep-out is ultimately nai

you defending it so much feels partner-y to me, ngl

also, no, scum just kill the ta if they think they found them
no reasons to keep around someone they can't push who perpetually generates innos

[skitter30]

Benefit of NK-ing Allo if both scum in townbloc: Nothing, prevents one innocent claim. This is with very high confidence. Anything short would mean they could simply just get Allo to claim D2 with the pushes on him, and choose an obvtown target instead
Benefit of NK-ing Allo if scum is in the copbloc: +++++++++++, a risk worth taking even if scum isn't very confident that Allo is the TA

again if scum found the ta they just nk him, irregardless of their positions on the wagons imo
there's literally no reason to keep him alive there

[skitter30]

What best case scenario? He confirms one person in the bloc? That isn't a big deal at all.
Allomancer was a highly suspected slot. He could have easily been run up to claim D2.
Nothing prevents scum from simply killing him D2.

right, after generating an inno that they'd also have to kill?
just killing him before he generates innos keeps the nk pool open

[skitter30]

no reasons to keep around someone

they can't push

who perpetually generates innos

Bolded wrong and you also assume very high Allo!cop read

idk what you're saying with the bolded bit
and yes scum only kill allo if they have a high cop read? which given his soft was kinda likely?
idk what your point is

[skitter30]

i think, given the lack of other prs, if he's their best bet for the ta, they just kill him irregardless of their placement on wagon
i do'nt think they lose anything by trying

[skitter30]

i really disagree, sorry

[skitter30]

Anyway, this is still consistent with your push of {Auro+Karnage}, both of us were off wagon lol

If you think I'm incorrect in locking out {2 scum in townbloc} give me candidate solves for 2 scum in townbloc.

this isn't really how i'm thinking of the game tbh, and i don't think that limiting to solves to 2 people in townbloc makes much sense either really

my best bet for scum on wagon tho is limit or eve

also i think trying to do a complete solve with no flips is silly

[skitter30]

So if you were Eve, and your partner was say BBMolla, you'd kill Allo over Skitter/GuiltyLion/Auro/Smart/Acryon because you thought there was a "decent" chance that Allo was cop but you're not -really- sure?

yeah, i think so
if they think he's a cop unless they were planning a cc he isn't lynchable
and i think that scum's priority is to limit the number of innos generated

[skitter30]

this isn't really how i'm thinking of the game tbh, and i don't think that limiting to solves to 2 people in townbloc makes much sense either really

I said candidate solves, not high confidence solves.
The argument gives higher credence to finding scum within the cop bloc even if TA died.
I believe Karnage is town.
Leaves you and GuiltyLion.
I think GL is likelier town than you are, if both aren't scum.

i think you're wrong on both karnage and gl so i'm not giving super much credence to your conclusions here tbh

[skitter30]

... i think that's the best way to play this as scum tbh; if you think you know where the cop is you just kill him to turn the game into mountainous

i'm not really getting the townread, i did just ask him to explain it like a few posts ago

[skitter30]

i think you're wrong on both karnage and gl

Didn't you townread GL? Interesting, probably I remember wrong.
Why do you think I'm wrong about GL!town?

i thought you were calling him scum, just me more likely scum than him
i'm townreading him, yeah

[skitter30]

... i think that's the best way to play this as scum tbh; if you think you know where the cop is you just kill him to turn the game into mountainous

like if you can remove the gimmick part of the game you just do it

[skitter30]

I don't think you'd believe that as scum.

GL townreads 1/0 strongly, what do you feel about that?

ok, so if i'm scum, what exactly am i arguing with you about here?

[skitter30]

auro i strongly disagree on the ta thing
i think if you think you know where the prs are you just nk them, which gives you the freedom to make the nk's you like
whereas if the cop is still alive and like clears town!karnage now scum have to nk town!karnage instead of somebody that would be useful for them to kill

i'm also not sure if bickering about this is going to get anywhere because i don't think either of us is going to change our mind at this point

[skitter30]

ok, so if i'm scum, what exactly am i arguing with you about here?

You'll need multiple mislynches to win the game. Locking the hunt to the pool based on likelihood is bad

no, i think that your reasoning for why/how scum would have chosen the nk is faulty, as is your reasoning for determining potential scumteams off of it

also i think that there's some kind of logical fallacy you're making which is why i asked this but i lost my train of thought and lost it so I'll come back to it

[skitter30]

I mean, I do believe I have this game PoE'd also

i mean i also disagree with this but ok

[skitter30]

auro did you say you saw the soft?

[skitter30]

1. Whether there was something else that made it obvious. Skitter said GL "likely" saw it, when GL blatantly responded to it with "better not be what I think it is" after that statement - a little fishy

did you ever elaborate on what was fishy about this ?

[skitter30]

Yeah, I think Auro is scum with GL.

i really don't think gl is ...
auro might be tho

[skitter30]

hmmm

[skitter30]

indeed!

pedit sigh, why tho

[skitter30]

i actually don't think he picked up on it tbh

[skitter30]

why would he even deny it as scum anyways, he could have just like ... not protested it

[skitter30]

also i think he didn't notice it and that just not wanting an early lynch is his mo

[skitter30]

Not protested what? Moving off when you see a TPR soft as scum, you don't see the benefits of that from a dayplay perspective?

werne't one of you just arguing with me that scum would have kept on to try to see if they could mislynch him?

[skitter30]

Whilst I feel that TheLimitDoesNotExist is clearly mafia

Really? You don't think they could be reading things wrongly, Rex?
You're 100% sure they're being disingenuous and not that there's a miscommunication somewhere?

i think they're being disingenuous, yeah
sauce is fine, i think
i think he seems to be a 'slow and steady' sort of player who wants to utilize the full time as much as possible, which is why he told us to slow our horses on allo and even now he's saying that he isn't advocating a limit lynch right now

his allo push was bad but he exhibited the same mindset in ... all three of his stated lynch/scum options (eve, allo, and limit), so i think that this is just how he approaches the game and how he feels about the best way to use our time

smart is shading your townbloc strategy, and smarter is misrepping people to push them
and smart is also a lot more passive than i'd expect him to be

[skitter30]

the key big being the part where he wanted a lot of time before the lynch of *all of* eve, allo, and limit

also unfortunately i gotta bounce, i have a phone call i need to take

this was fun tho

[skitter30]

so I don't really know what you want from me here or how that's going to help sort us.

i'm making a point in that i think it's disingenuous for you to say thatt acryon may have been scum trying to ram in a ta!allo lynch when it wasn't viable there; i basically think that you push on acryon is bad

although the quotes you pull about how people were discussing allo just before the vote actually are valid ... i remember acryon's vote more as coming out of nowhere at a time when there weren't enough votes for the wagon to occur given the deadline

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meh limit's response to me is kinda townie actually
maybe i'm overthinking this one too much

(also i'm sorry to hear that irl is though rn, i hope things get better soon)

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This feels like a nontown stream of thoughts, I've never as town been like "Oh this guy is one scum... oh no due to PoE the other has to be you

i'm pretty sure i've said something similar to gl here oodles of times as town, especially if the player i was scumreading i liked and *wanted* to be town

like i'm not sure this is mathematical poe sort of read so much as he's disappointed that he feels he needs to push auro, if that makes sense

==

Also this is a much weaker point bc I haven't seen scum!Smart in some time but I think Smart as scum is a bit more pushy/agenda-y. Here he's playing to what I generally see in his town game of kinda just poking holes at different people's opinions and otherwise okay with taking a backseat to watch most of the game unfold.

i guess i kinda agree with you on limit but ftr i believe this to be more emblematic of ss's scumgame than towngame

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acryon's entrance is low-key townie
UNVOTE:
i don't like eve's sheep there tho

and i think that acryon's readslist is also pretty good actually

[skitter30]

VOTE: Skitter
This is scum. Cop her/lynch her.

maybe we should sheep nomnom

ummmm ...
(especially immediately coming after you backing off saying that i felt 'off' when you couldnt' substantiate it when pushed?)

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Titus you realize that wagon dynamics were fucked with yesterday because of wanting to optimizing the people on/off-wagon in order to make the best cop-pool possible, right?

like your whole gl push is based on the faulty assumption that votes in this game were moving similarly to how they move in other games

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The fact that it was a joke notwithstanding, I don't really think that people wouldn't be holding Eve responsible if skitter was lynched because Eve out the blue proposed to sheep noms.

she's part of that group of people that i think are trying to find reasons to push me

=

Who said I used ordinary assumptions? I factored the setup into my analysis.

ok, can you elaborate on this part please?
because from where i'm sitting, that doesn't really seem to be the case

[skitter30]

Nah I still think Acryon is town, the stuff that pinged for me early game pinged for you too, but other than then they have seemed town

Crayon is town, Atari is town, you're town, Eve's town, 1/0's town, I'm town, Guilty's meh town
{Skitter, Titus}

Titus' previous slot Rex basically scumslipped. Read 1623. His first post after the soft is to unvote while calling me out for continuing to push Allo, saying that Allo towned it up.
On D2 he justifies his unvote by saying he wanted more time and not because he didn't want to not lynch Allo (triple negative yaaaay). That's a lie.

i very strongly disagree with this reading of rex's allo progression, it's internally consistent; his votes throughout day1 made it fairly clear that he didn't want a lynch on any of *several* players just then because he wanted more time, not just on allo
your're acting like on day2 the 'wanting more time' thing is a new idea when it's something that's clear throughout his iso from like early day when he wanted us to not lynch eve on like page 7

also can we assume i'm better with associatives as scum than like badly chain-sawing my partner via starting a 1v1 with one of the more townread players of the game, i'm starting to get annoyed by this ngl; i would have played that differently in like 5 different ways as scum partnered with rex there

=

VOTE: skitter

yeah this is actually where we should go

hi, why

=

I'm not sure how much I buy the "scumslip" tbh. Rex was pretty repetitively promoting the idea of dragging the day on as much as possible, and the second statement seems to line up with those other arguments relatively well. That said, that slot is one of my probably scum suspicions, so I wouldn't mind flipping it.

yes, this, as i've said now like 6 times

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You tell me - if you thought a slot "towned up" and unvoted them, would you call it "wanted more time, not that I wanted to defend them" or "I thought they were towny"?

honestly i think he was disconnected enough from the game that he didn't necessarily remember why he unvoted there
he also didn't seem to recognize the soft given his explanation for why the wagon slowed down

also i don't know why we wouldn't apply his general 'i dont' want to lynch now, i want more time' to allo in particular, given that, you know, he said that about allo in particular

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PoE, likelihood of existence of scum in the cop bloc, the correct cop kill looks like a scum!competent kill (this is a weaker reason), her associations with Titus.

Skitter didn't even attempt to understand the implications of Rex's slip, while Smart immediately picked up on it when I pointed it out; then Skit goes on to soft defend it.
Titus should be concluding from VCA that Skitter is around on the same level of GL; yet tunnels on GL, and attacks me when I push Skit, while offering nothing on Skit IIRC

a) it was not a slip, it made sense given his general approach to the game; also i'm not soft-defending it, i'm hard-defending it, this is a silly reason to push the slot
b) none of these are really reasons to scumread me in particular either beyond 'i think that there's competent scum out there'. like beyond poe / my disagreeing about my slip why am i scum here?

[skitter30]

Of course, because GL isn't actually scum hunting. That sort of soft pointing out just looks like it. That's my point. There's no town reason to out a soft. As scum it's please verify so I can shoot the PR.

also i'm kinda baffled that you can look at gl's posts this phase / since you repped in and think he's not scumhunting?

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Suddenly Skitter is suspect enough to be copped.

um that isn't what he said ...

=

End of day wagon, Skitter is off it. I was referring to the collective consensus. Since y'all positioned for the TA.

GL wouldn't want Skitter to be conftown. That's conftown pushing him. Town would want to know if their biggest detractor was town or scum.

what the hell, lol:
a) i wasn't pushing him since like mid-day1
b) if you think that i was pushing him, your last sentence implies that he'd be town for wanting to know if his biggest detractor was town or scum
c) me and gl were both off of it since that was the consensus

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I feel so frustrated with everyone. I feel like this is a pride thing. Town collectively at this point has wagoned wrong twice (Allo and Nom) and threatened three more times wrong (Carnage/AH, me, Skitter). What is it going to take to get people to listen rather than be stuck in stubborn pride?

also this reaction feels out-of-whack with what's actually happening here? idk

can you just summarize why you think gl isn't scumhunting cuz you've alleged that multiple times and i havne't seen you substantiate that anywhere yet

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I commented on how Aurora is distancing from GL. I get crickets.

ok, elaborate then?

[skitter30]

Just saying.

This is a scum evolution.

yeah that's actually a decent point, auro, what happened to townreading titus for her slip?

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It feels like everyone is POEing down to her rather than making a case for what she's done that she wouldn't do as town.

^

[skitter30]

Skitter I don't like when you do these catchups where you question a bunch of things but don't really add in new direction beyond that - who's your ideal lynch right now?

i don't think Titus is scum and i don't think I'll be voting there rn
i will admit that that read largely comes from rex and that Titus is being remarkably like ~bullheaded~ and i can understand why she's being pushed but i'm not interested in that wagon

i'm like begrudgingly calling limit town, but mostly how Lilith responded to me in the past few pages

acryon is town; atarashi i'm still on the fence over cuz karnage was pretty bad but i'm not sure that scum!atarashi a) puts so much effort into the game b) comes into the game trying to lynch one of the more townread players
(although if he's scum it's probably with like auro or something because of his sudden support for the acryon thing)

you're town

auro ... i'm not super liking his push on me tbh. i also feel like most of his day1 town posting revolved around the cop but that now that that's gone his like 'hook' for how he's approaching the game has become rather flat.
i'm kinda baffled how he thinks that me/titus are partners here, and i'm not sure why he isn't really pushing me but rather talking around me and calling me scum without doing much about it; his interactions with you are kinda nitpicky and retreading the same ground over and over again; his switch to acryon here is bad

and eve i'm scumreading

this is roughly where i'm at ^

[skitter30]

titus, gl isn't happening today, find someone else to push
he's town and you're reading him badly off of fallacious assumptions

[skitter30]

Self-meta makes me very uncomfortable. As I mentioned in a previous post, I don't like proactively offering up reasons for why you would or wouldn't do something as scum. It's total WIFOM, and I don't think town really needs to do it.

literally nai, i do this as both alignments all the time

[skitter30]

VOTE: Crayon

like this doesn't make much sense as a pivot away from scum!Titus, he should be like voting me or something

[skitter30]

also can we assume i'm better with associatives as scum than like badly chain-sawing my partner via starting a 1v1 with one of the more townread players of the game,

auro what exactly was i doing when i defended rex the first time?

[skitter30]

This is a surprisingly bad case.
1. Reducing my D1 play to a "hook" while ignoring the pushes and reads I made
2. Ignoring that I'm not the only person who thinks you have partner equity with Titus, which should obviously stem from hard defense of each other - this is basic theory
3. Ignoring my post where I outlined my approach towards you, and another about
4. Ignoring that I said I'm ambivalent to who got lynched between the two of you,
5. Ignoring that I said I needed to re-evaluate, and failing to see the value in the timing of my Crayon vote: you think one should only be voting their top scumread all the time?

1 that is indeed how you approached day1 and what you used to interact with the thread, most of your posts stemmed from pov; i don't think it's inaccurate to call that a hook. you were rather ambivalent day1 in deciding who ought to get lynched, and were much more concerned about the positioning of the votes, and i don't really like how you're pushing the me/titus thing today
2. i mean, i'm going to defend the people that i think are being pushed wrongly; that doesn't inherently make it an svs interaction. in fact, i even pointed out twice now how ridiculous it would have been for me to interact with rex this way as scum, which you have ignored
3. i don't think i ignored this? i'm pretty sure that i've addressed that post
4. this was a relatively new development, you've been pushing titus over me for most of the day from my pov
5. acryon's posting was fine. i dont' think you need to have your vote on your top scumread at all times but it's getting towards end of day, acryon is not going to get the required amount of traction in that time, he's town, and i think it's a strange place to vote if you were no longer pushing Titus

I love how I was advocating and committing to a strategy that gave me high chances of being copped from the start - so you're saying, Skitter, that I'm scum who was cleverly trying a risky WIFOM stunt and just got massively lucky that Allo softed?

yeah, that's like the one thing that's holding me back

I'm curious to see what you come up for this read. Scumcase pl0x

i primarily dislike her recent push on me and her sheeping of you/atarashi

Oh, also do explain what in Rex's was AI and towny, not null at best.

i'm pretty sure i did already?

[skitter30]

I don't think it's beyond Skittitus to play opposite to the classical association meta especially if Titus is a "sure lynch".

I'm not talking about capabilities, but tone and attitude when I mention Doubles.

again did you address this:

also can we assume i'm better with associatives as scum than like badly chain-sawing my partner via starting a 1v1 with one of the more townread players of the game,

auro what exactly was i doing when i defended rex the first time?

[skitter30]

acryon's is still town

imma check where the votes are at but i'm probably voting eve

[skitter30]

Votecount 2.7

Target	Wagon
Titus (3)	The Limit Does Not Exist (1635), Eve (1847), BBmolla (1903)
acryon (2)	Atarashi Hajimari (1660), Auro (1929)
GuiltyLion (1)	Titus (1514)
Not Voting (3)	GuiltyLion (1780), acryon (1820), skitter30 (1877)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-14 17:47:59).

eve is also voting acryon. i'm rather suspicious of this wagon ngl

[skitter30]

VOTE: eve

[skitter30]

no i'm just trying to say that i don't like the current acryon wagon and i don't get why it's a thing or where it came from really

[skitter30]

i don't like how eve lolsheeped auro there
i don't like auro's vote either

atarashi's is ok i guess

[skitter30]

i know, i think that eve's more likely scum here than auro, which is why i'm voting there

also idk why that team would be super threatened by acryon either

[skitter30]

@skitter: you've been pretty insistent that acryon is town. Walk me through your read.

it's a more a tonal read to me than anything else. he feels very sincere to me, and honest, and like he's putting every thought that comes into his head through the thread
some of his content isn't great, sure, but i believe that he believes what he's writing
like the way he words some of his observations just makes me think that he's really thought about it and that it's coming from a sincere place

[skitter30]

And to be clear, acryon's doing a lot of the same things he's scumreading eve for - following along with popular consensus and avoiding thinking too deeply about the game. I really dont see my vote changing baring extreme circumstances

idk i'm not sure he's following along with popular consensus, and i do think he's been thinking deeply about the game

[skitter30]

i know, i think that eve's more likely scum here than auro, which is why i'm voting there

also idk why that team would be super threatened by acryon either

Umm, look at the VC - all Eve votes were directly after the Acryon wagon.

Acryon isn't the counterwagon to Eve, Eve is the counterwagon to Acryon.

VOTE: Skitter

i don't get it

[skitter30]

i know, i think that eve's more likely scum here than auro, which is why i'm voting there

also idk why that team would be super threatened by acryon either

This line of thinking.

Yes, Acryon was a "counterwagon" to Titus, but the contexts are widely different. I was the person largely responsible for both Titus and Acryon wagons, which is not the case here.

i'm not sure i'm really making a point about counterwagons at all?

[skitter30]

i don't like how eve lolsheeped auro there
i don't like auro's vote either

atarashi's is ok i guess

Vote motion doesn't make sense for an

eve/auro scumteam unless they felt super threatened by acryon

or deliberately vote fucking.

i know, i think that eve's more likely scum here than auro, which is why i'm voting there

also idk why that team would be super threatened by acryon either

also idk why that team would be super threatened by acryon either

This was a response to Titus' post implying it was a CW; I think that "Auro+Eve" were super threatened by Acryon isn't a thought that leads from knowing that the Eve votes came after Acryon.
No?

? i'm agreeing with titus here about how likely you/eve is and whether you'd be threatened by town!acryon
i don't get what you're trying to say

honestly i don't really understand anything from your progression on acryon -> me -> titus

[skitter30]

Titus, it's a mix of my not scumreading Eve (I found all her posts today legitimate) and the wagon composition on Eve. I'm also saying Eve is the generated counterwagon to Acryon. I don't think the lack of defense is scummy.
Skitter+Acryon looks like a decent solve to me.

If it was Eve+Auro I'd not hesitate to just lynch you, no?

so then why vote titus ...

[skitter30]

I will say that your case on Rex has been the only thing I actually felt good about this game.

? what do you mean by this ?

[skitter30]

so then why vote titus ...

I was unable to get Acryon votes, and unable to get Skitter votes, under the impression that it was either Titus or Eve, Titus does have some points against her, and I thought the deadline was closer than it is

actually fair, i thought your vote would have been 4th on acryon and 3rd on titus, i was mistaken

i'm eve > titus = acryon

i'd switch to one of the others to prevnt a no lynch but that's not where i want to lynch rn

[skitter30]

auro i'll take a look at one of acryon's scumgames
i meant more by what he means that's the only thing he's felt good about all game ...

[skitter30]

the acryon wagon yesterday was awful; he was fairly transparently town and he was wagoned for super bad reasons imo

eve is still scum and has been the cw to town twice now, and ought to have been the lynch yesterday

VOTE: eve

[skitter30]

VOTE: skitter

acryon wagon was awful btw

hi, why

[skitter30]

is it really just skitter/titus

do tell

[skitter30]

One of you or Titus is scum and I decided to go with you, but let's swap

VOTE: Titus

y are you swapping tho?
i'm not entirely following why you're saying the acryon wagon is bad but not really looking into what went wrong there

[skitter30]

so me being town basically shows scum are deepwolfing and didn't care about the lynches on those days

VOTE: skitter

i mean, that presupposes you're town tho ...

=

man I forgot how weird this progression was

for like the sixth time, i can think someone's post is bad but at the same time disagree with why/how they're being pushed.

i've also brought this up several times before wrt to me/titus being teamed (and it's never been addressed), but i think it's kinda unlikely that i would have chosen to pick a fight with limit their in order to defend my lynchbait partner that i could/would have just bussed.

i think that the me/titus teamreadings are pretty silly and a bit frustrating for a few different reasons:
1. i think that she's town. misguided town, sure, but i really, really don't think she's scum here.
2. i really can't imagine a universe where i go out on a limb to defend sauce in those circumstances
3. i would not have been defending her slot yesterday when she repped into a scumread slot.

i don't think i've ever interacted with a partner that way and i can't imagine why i would have chosen to start here like this

and even eve/me would be pretty gutsy because i've spent quite a bit of time trying to get her lynched yesterday (over the dead-easy lolmislynch that happened), and that's who i quite vocally prefer today

like who am i even partnered with here ... ?

=

I generally feel like Auro died for two reasons

1) he was hard pushing Skit
2) so Titus could make the VCA argument above

there's really no reason not to shoot Limit over Auro here unless Auro specifically was pushing scum

is this primarily what changed between yesterday and today wrt your read on me?

1. if i were scum here i think i would have kept him alive unless i were scum with exactly titus because i'm pretty sure i could have gotten him to rally around her first over me. like i guess if i were scum with titus i could see this argument given he would have had figured out the scumteam exactly but i know that's wrong so ...
also i think that given how the acryon wagon went down he would have lost some of his credibility if he'd have lived; if scum!me were worried about someone with influence successfully pushing me to a lynch, i would have killed limit i think
like when deciding who to nk scum!me focuses more on gauging various players and their in-thread influence and where they're liable to vote and how much support they can get than on who is suspecting me in particular

2. i think she could have made that argument with or without auro being alive; auro dying really doesn't make it any weaker or stronger

[skitter30]

i feel very strongly that this is a scum-driven wagon and that we ought to be lynching eve today

i'm roughly here:

gl > titus hydra > limit > atarashi > bbmolla > eve

gl can you answer this: who exactly is my partner here?

[skitter30]

i feel very strongly that this is a scum-driven wagon and that we ought to be lynching eve today

Eve isn't really pushing your wagon though? Like she's voting it but not really casing or trying to convince people to switch or anything.

-Smart

she's been pushing for my lynch since like early day2, adn i think your criticism is more a playstyle thing than an alignment thing

and hi who is my partner, literally everyone except titus is ok with lynching me today

[skitter30]

... she's been my preferred lynch since like early-mid day2
and i'm under loads of suspicion and i doubt scum!me would be able to carry off of that bus?

what am i even doing here as scum ... ?

[skitter30]

right, i've put this out there several times but none of the people pushing me have addressed it:

- my actions don't make sense as partners with titus
- nobody has a credible partner theory for me other than titus

so like ... who am i even scum with?
what has scum!me been doing all game
scum!me does not explain how this phase and the last one have played out really

the people pushing me have not addressed or answered these points

[skitter30]

I might be giving skitter too little credit in saying that she wouldn't hard-defend her buddy for WIFOM purposes.

I forget, was skitter defending the Rex slot before Titus replaced in? I think she was. I guess it would be conceivable for Titus and skitter to decide to hard align with each other, I know Titus likes to do that and skitter iirc has a pretty strong bussing meta that she'd want to break.

-Smart

i literally picked a fight with you guys (when you were one of the most townread people in the game) cuz i didn't like your rex scumread ...
i've also pointed out that scum!me never decides to defend a partner that way, and have brought up this point multiple times, and nobody has chosen to address that either

[skitter30]

Aside from the fact that I think you are a competent enough scumplayer to play the way you have with Titus for WIFOM purposes, is there a reason you couldn't be with AH!slot?

i think you ought to be looking at rex, not titus
i spent quite a lot of time day1/day2 trying to get karnage lynched too ...

[skitter30]

i meant my associatives with rex and it wasn't a slip

[skitter30]

she's town, so no

pedit lynching acryon was dumb, yeah, and i said so at the time

acryon wagon had like gl, titus, atarashi and i think eve? i don't remember if it was eve or bbmolla

[skitter30]

titus's vote was largely a compromise deadline lynch thing
i don't know why gl switched there

[skitter30]

right, i've put this out there several times but none of the people pushing me have addressed it:

- my actions don't make sense as partners with titus
- nobody has a credible partner theory for me other than titus

so like ... who am i even scum with?
what has scum!me been doing all game
scum!me does not explain how this phase and the last one have played out really

the people pushing me have not addressed or answered these points

gl i want you in particular to address this
(eve and bbmolla too but i think that's less likely to happen so eh)

[skitter30]

gl's acryon progression is actually kinda icky ngl

[skitter30]

pretty low

[skitter30]

more like nobody can give a cogent narrative for what scum!me is doing or what my partner is doing while all this is going down

[skitter30]

again i spent a while trying to lynch that slot ...

[skitter30]

day2

i don't think i make much sense with either of them really

[skitter30]

heck titus is pushing you for following me onto the wagon

[skitter30]

pushing who i think is scum ...

[skitter30]

and trying to prevent the people that i don't think are scum from getting lynched or pushed

[skitter30]

gl's acryon progression is actually kinda icky ngl

wasn't I your strongest townread just one page ago

I think the acryon lynch was town paranoia off of a fairly convincing case from Atari and some questionable responses from acryon. I think it's easy to say in hindsight 'oh he was obvtown bad lynch' - and I'm sure scum want to say that here - but at the time I was talking myself into town!Titus, I was still town reading Skitter and Eve, and so that felt like a good shot for where I was most likely to be misreading the game. I agree Titus would have been a better lynch now, but idk, at twilight I was feeling pretty good about it being a flash wagon onto scum.

your'e still a townread but when limit brought up the acryon wagon i went back and looked at it and it's not a great progression; honestly it owuld have made a lot of sense for you to have ended up on titus there

also i wasn't saying in hindsight 'oh he was obvtown bad lynch', i was saying it *while it was happening*

[skitter30]

pushing who i think is scum ...

not really? Like I can't genuinely recall why you personally think Eve is scum?

- my best bet for scum on the nom wagon
- dislike sweeping ah and auro
- dislike her push on me too

[skitter30]

this is like the second day in a row you're saying that 'oh there's at least one scum in the two (or three) people with highest wagons'
and then vote for a townie in that group (which i'm aware you're going to argue is not necessarily true from your pov but it is from mine)

and eve has been in such a group twice now ...

[skitter30]

i don't really have arguments for ruling her out with like half the game.
my best bet is like ah or bbmolla

[skitter30]

sigh

[skitter30]

cuz i feel like i've been trying to push eve for like forever and you're just finally getting to it

[skitter30]

the nightkill points simultaneously towards skitter scum and me town

like come on seriously

no, it doesn't

it's mostly that the team solves with skitter don't make a lot of sense whereas you/Karnage is suddenly making a ton of sense

also I so desperately just wanna be right about my vanity Karnage scumread

yes, thank you

[skitter30]

Morning Tweet replaces Atarashi Hajimari.

Prodding BBmolla.

hello!

[skitter30]

there's no substance to this

watch i can do this too - skitter is scum because:
-my best best for scum on the nom wagon
-dislike killing of Auro
-dislike her push on me too

easy

i mean this is a pretty easy way to discredit what i said, but sure

[skitter30]

pedit: Hi skitts!!!!! Right now I'm investigating Skitts/Titus and I think there was reasoning for that team not being the case I just need to remember what it was

because there's really no universe where scum!me goes this hard defending my partner, there's like multiple ways i've interacted with the slot that i just would not have done as scum, the biggest example being that i picked a fight with limit to defend rex

and i've brought this up like 6 times now and nobody will engage me on this part or say how they think this is wrong, they just handwave it away and ignore the fact that i literally never interact with a buddy like this

[skitter30]

how does she not make sense with Titus given they haven't pushed each other and are counterwagoning me? not saying i think it's Titus rn tbh but her reasoning is flawed here

again, i don't interact with a buddy this way
like i can understand why people might think that defending each other is svs except that i have literally never managed to actually pull something like this off with a partner of mine in thread, i get too nervous and self-conscious about what things will happen post-flip for either one of us

and i don't have a possible partner outside of titus

[skitter30]

i feel very strongly that this is a scum-driven wagon and that we ought to be lynching eve today

y tho

some substance would be nice skittery

i've explained this already

[skitter30]

hmMM

has acryon as joint second most preffered lynch yesterday

comes in today saying he was "transparently town" and that his lynch was awful

this is a misrep / taking things out of context

i was saying the whole time that the acryon wagon happened that i disliked it

when it was just hours to deadline and it was you vs titus vs acryon i made it clear that i was townreading the other two and would have preferred you

saying that he was my second-most preferred lynch yesterday is not true and ignores the context of imminent deadline

[skitter30]

Ah... yes. That. I see you still townread Titus I think? Since you believe the scumteam is likely Eve/Morning or Eve/BB

I can search for your reasons to believe Titus is town if you already said em, but otherwise I'd appreciate all the help i can get if you'd reiterate them for me

i think that titus actually believes in her vca even though i think her conclusions are rather wrong
if she's scum she could have just jumped on my mislynch instead of defending me, which has created suspicion on herself and also robs herself of the possibility of the mislynch.
like there's loads of risk/negative consequences and no gain if she's scum really, it would have been super bad positioning for her if she's scum

also i think that the reasons rex was being pushed were awful

[skitter30]

you skipped over this one btw

because i feel like i've already addressed that like three posts in a row but i basically don't interact with a partner this way, i get too self-conscious thinking about how it'll look post-flip

like seriously look through any of mhy scumgames and see if you can find a time where i did this

[skitter30]

i guess but i don't think anybody ever actually drew that conclusion about my play before

[skitter30]

I am curious if Limit is alive in order to aid a skitts lynch. But Limit might have totally different views on skitts than they did on D1 so don't know if this is outdated thinking

i feel like town!GL and town!skitts should have done something to switch the lynch off of nomnom tow

nope, they still think i'm scum, probably with titus

i think that the latter is kinda unreasonable given that i thought she was scum at the time

[skitter30]

have you ever revealed that bit of self-meta about yourself in any previous games?

not that i can think of!
i don't think that people's scumreads on me were so heavily based on {being scum with this one person} before either

[skitter30]

i'm honestly not even sure how the me/titus dynamic happened to begin with

[skitter30]

i kinda like mt's entrance

[skitter30]

have you ever revealed that bit of self-meta about yourself in any previous games?

not that i can think of!
i don't think that people's scumreads on me were so heavily based on {being scum with this one person} before either

like the only time that i can think of as scum where i kinda tried to hard townread a partner is like from a micro way back in like 2017 where i was scum with rc in my like second scumgame on site and he wanted us to townread each other and i couldn't really commit to it so it really happened more on his end than mine

[skitter30]

maybe it's skitter+Guilty

he mislynches me today and then just has to lynch skitter and Titus doesn't matter which order to give him the win

tbf i do think that gl's posting in the last day or so including his progression on you is a bit Not Great

[skitter30]

Where does the loads of risk come from in defending you? Eve seems to get suspected as being in Eve/GL or Eve/Morning(Atara) a lot

this was a very recent development

iirc i was already suspected when she came in and started defending me, which caused people to be suspicious of *her*, and she then doubled down
when people were like 'your vca is super off here's why' she could have used that to reassess and push me instead but instead she's insisting on calling me scum when it's causing everyone to view us as svs

[skitter30]

you're pretty smart Titus you can work it out on your own

Skitter can't mislynch himself if he's scum. You can't keep your mindset straight.

It's Guilty and Eve.

tbf i actually don't think this is a scumslip

[skitter30]

i think you/titus is silly, titus is town here and if she were scum she'd have been trying to lolbus you for a while now, so i don't think this is super likely

i think you're scum with bbmolla or mt's slot
but i do kinda like mt's entrance so i'm rethinking that one

like i don't think eve/titus is a real possibility that we need to be worrying about

[skitter30]

What I mean with nom is I feel there was a certain moment where nomnom's AtE felt borderline impossible to come from scum. Around 1117/1118/1119 in my notes I wrote "I think at this point I would fall for Nom being town definitely". I'd have refused to vote her past here and definitely just went for a different PoE like Karnage. In my recollection you helped out lynch nom although I suppose a lot of that was before the AtE and when she was just being scummy, which is fair. @your quotes, I missed 1292 while reading. I appreciate u giving me these

i've seen that kind of ate from her before as scum tho so so it didn't do super much to convince me

[skitter30]

It does feel like I'm overthinking it. I think now I'm just mostly confused how Skitts ended up at L-1 today when BB/GL didn't have a lot of build-up to voting her. BB in particular I thought wanted Titus.

yes, this is why we ought to be suspicious of my wagon, literally nobody except titus has a problem with it occurring
and gl's vote in particular i kinda felt like came out of nowhere and i'm not sure why he voted me over titus and when i tried to prod there he kina ignored me too

[skitter30]

i don't think i'm the person that really convinced guilty to take the vote off tho, i think that was more limit saying they might want to vote you

also if he wants to bus me as scum i'm sure he could come up with a more natural looking progression
and in a gl/skit scumteam why are we even bussing me again ... ?

[skitter30]

i really really don't think that titus/eve is a viable possibility

[skitter30]

I'm starting to see why this day is headed to a crayon lynch from looking at GL's reads in 1890

iirc that was the tipping point into acryon over eve or titus, gl voting there

[skitter30]

or guilty voted skitts in the hopes there wouldn't be enough support to lynch her over me or Titus

so they'd go into heavily distanced since guilty was voting/pushing skitts the previous day

also bbmolla and limit as Morning said actually leaned to voting Titus the previous day so this might also be why guilty thought it would work

when BBmolla was all for skitts though guilty needs to have a conversation with skitts to unvote and "reconsider"

i mean the first would have been a pretty awful misread of the day/gamestate
i'm not sure why the heavy distancing even needs to happen. i think if he doesn't vote me early in the day today i'm not even necessarily a viable lynch option. like him voting me made it so. he could have just avoided it by not
like why take the risk even by making this something that might happen

[skitter30]

skitter you better be scum or i'm going to look like a massive dumb dumb

nah i think you're just scum trying to get me lynched!
it's a good try tho!

[skitter30]

bbmolla wanted to vote me too and limit has been making quite a lot of noise in that direction too

and again the distancing just like ... would not have needed to happen
he could have just like lynched you with me instead of opening the possibility of my lynch

[skitter30]

skitter you better be scum or i'm going to look like a massive dumb dumb

nah i think you're just scum trying to get me lynched!
it's a good try tho!

same to you! i am really enjoying this tbh

this is fun!

[skitter30]

i'm starting to get a bit tired (it's like 1am here) but I'll be back tomorrow, sorry

[skitter30]

if he lynches me with you doesn't that just mean you probably get lynched the next day? and then Guilty looks real bad for 3p if they look back at today

also he opened up the possibility but has now backtracked once there was support - that's the important thing here

i'm not sure if you're arguing me/gl or gl/you here tbh

[skitter30]

why do I fake such sloppy 180s and constant backtracks/changes as scum

like if I'm scum I just death tunnel and people don't get paranoid or suspect me cause I'm ~consistent~.

this is town confusion and angst about what feels like a really difficult solve

yeah that's why i'm not convinced it means scum!you so much as making a note of it
that being said i don't like the progressions either really

[skitter30]

like Skitter keeps trying to say I'm a townread but then giving me grief for acryon vote or voting her

i mean ... from my pov the acryon vote basically came out of nowhere and cemented him getting lynched
and i don't actually understand why you voted me today and when i tried to engage you on it you were like 'oh i don't think i actually feel the need to respond to anything she said' so like

[skitter30]

Not feeling Eve/GL.

Why not? I think GL's sudden flip on skitter makes him Eve's most likely partner (and well, the second most likely partner is you).

-Smart

why tho
tbf if he were scum with her he picked hte literal worst time to back off of me

[skitter30]

i owuld be very content and happy with an eve lynch today

[skitter30]

Titus and eve dont really make much sense imo for much thr same reasons why me/eve dont make much sense: she'd had to have decided like mid-day2 to lolbus her partner when i think that move was largely unnecessary

[skitter30]

damn we only have a day and a half left, i didn't reallize

[skitter30]

tiiiiiitttttttuuuuuuussssss i summon thee

[skitter30]

maybe the reason i don't make sense with anyone is because i'm town

did you ever think of that?

weren't you complaining about me saying this a few days back ?

[skitter30]

can the people who are strongly townrading bbmolla kinda explain why that's a thing because i never really got it and i think he's the most likely eve partner

[skitter30]

sweet

[skitter30]

sorry i'm going to be vla without internet access until saturday night

and my life just got significantly busier/more complicated so my activity may be reduced in general next week too

gl is my best bet for scum rn but i'm not sure who the partner is, bb is most likely imo
i need to do a lot of rethinking cuz it's lylo and the eve townflip kinda upended my view of this game

things that i need to do before i can vote/hurt is:
- review vc's
- review early game
- review gl/bb's joint iso to see if they make sense together
- review my townreads to make sure they're reasonable and not unfounded
unfortunately it's exceedingly unlikely i will be able to do this before like sunday ^

also at this point i'm starting to become a bit worried about limit since they're, like, not dead

also i think gl may have scumslipped in twilight

[skitter30]

Okay now comes the wonderful game of did scum leave us alive because our solve was wrong or just to mess with our heads.

I think the latter is more likely, and in the world where the team isn't skitter Titus I don't think we have the slightest chance of getting the entire town to agree.

-Smart

i mean doesn't that argue against skitter/titus from your pov?

[skitter30]

Will be here later today !

[skitter30]

i mean doesn't that argue against skitter/titus from your pov?

Yes, but my point is that it doesn't argue against it strongly enough for me to change my mind about it being the most likely. I played a game not too long ago where scum left me alive all the way to F3 as a confirmed mason who claimed D2, and my reads were not fantastic but it's not like they were awful and my solve going into F3 was correct.

-Smart

i mean, why'd they leave you alive then?

[skitter30]

also i think gl may have scumslipped in twilight

what, because I forgot that there's no PT on a scum flip?

This is a really shitty push lol

if I'm scum and I know Eve is flipping town,

I would have bee aware that there will be a PT and this knowledge would be something only scum have

, and I don't comment about it at all

i mean, scum mess up sometimes too ...

[skitter30]

I prefer Skitter over Titus today I think

skitter being cw to Eve and the way the wagon flipped over to Eve is indicative of skit scum

also the paranoia about Limit reads kinda fake

- elaborate on why the wagon is indicative of scum!me
- and you're not questioning why mt dies over town!limit here? why auro dies over town!limit here? like one of the two i can understand, both it's starting to become weird

[skitter30]

also I think the post-Allo NKs in this game should exonerate me unless you want to say it's all WIFOM specifically so I can make this argument now in LYLO

Auro was townreading me and pushing Skit
MT was coming around to townreading me, we just closely worked together in a prior game, and was the only other person off wagon yesterday
I've been strongly townreading Limit all game

if I'm scum I'm giving myself a much harder F5 than a hypothetical one of like, Auro, Molla, MT, myself, Titus

i don't think that the mt kill points anyhwere in particular other than the fact that tit's weird that they died over limit

also to indicate that the mt kill exonorates you is pretty weird given that they were undecided on multiple levels and you were pretty firmly in their list of potential solves; it doesn't exonorate anyone imo

and you and auro were getting into repeated things
if anything scum!you townreading limit all game and having limit townread you explains why they're not dead tbh

[skitter30]

Goddamnit

I really wanted to die

same, this is a shitshow

[skitter30]

bbmolla what's your solve rn ?
you promised it in the hood but it doesn't seem to have materialized

[skitter30]

Skitter - question for you though, if you're town and I'm scum, why don't I just push for your lynch significantly harder yesterday

-you're a harder lynch and a bigger threat
-if you're lynched it's very easy to chain that into Eve mislynch for the win in 5p
-if Eve is lynched instead of you anyway, gives me a convenient trajectory into LYLO, instead of whatever this mess here is

this might be a weird question but do you think you can mislynch me?

[skitter30]

like the entire foundation for Skitter's Titus townread was she didn't think Eve/Titus were lolbussing eachother

Eve flips town

where's the re-evaluation on Titus

well more that i think she actually believes in her vca and she's just so stubborn and indignant about it taht i think it comes from town even though her conclusions have been kinda hit or miss

and the eve/titus thing was more that titus's pov/progression on eve mirrored my own and that made me give her +townpoints and made me think it was unlikely that she was bussing eve since there were like ... so many other places that she could have pushed that day

it is lylo so i do need to reconsider but atm i think you're scummier than she is, and you/bb make more sense to me than titus being scum.

also titus + bbmolla would be weird given the start of day3 and how she started pushing him after the acryon lynch

[skitter30]

I think Titus/Skitter is probably more likely, but it means Titus/Skitter just all in committed to hardtownreading eachother and that still feels a little strange given the gamestate and the likelihood one of them gets lynched, I don't usually see that from scum

again literally never a play i do as scum here

[skitter30]

I am currently having a battle with depression. I am not VLA but please be understanding if I don't post as well as I usually do. This is NAI. I will try to hang in there for one more game day but if my depression gets worse, I may sub out. I am taking it day by day. If I do sub out, it will be across all games.

Xpost all games

~Titus

i am sorry to hear that, depression sucks, and i hope you feel better soon!

[skitter30]

I kind of just think it's Titus/Skitter :/

I'm more confident on Skitter, but idk, everyone's play todays makes sense with that scumteam, in all other cases it's a bit awkward.

ok, why:
- is gl town?
- am i scum?
- am i scum with titus?

[skitter30]

No prod pls

We should lynch whichever of the two of them is more likely scum, just in case something changes, even though it probably won't matter.

-Smart

does this not scare anyone that me/titus might be tvt ??? ^

[skitter30]

sorry 4 prod, felt like the whole game was on V/LA

I think I'd rather lynch Titus first for the following reasons:
- I think there must be scum on Acryon wagon
- Misrepresented me as I described in 1874, as we're down to 5p I have to think this is strongly indicative
- Saus slip (suggested he saw the soft, then later denied that he saw the soft) caught by Auro

- from my pov you're the most likely scum on the acryon wagon, and you're the reason why that wagon happened pretty much imo
- i think that titus, while misapplying vca, believes that she's right there and that's why she's so indignant about it. i think she as scum is more self-aware and makes sure that her theories are more both more consistent and more palpatable
- saus didn't slip

[skitter30]

If GL was scum and Skitter town, which is my current thinking, there's little reason for GL to push for a Titus lynch today. He could merely join Limit and BBMolla on a Skitter lynch today.

i mean he's been flip-flopping back and forth, as have p much all 3 of them

again whichever town is in {limit/bb/gl} do you guys not realize that the other two are being super wishy-washy about which of {me/titus} are lynched ? is that not a red flag that we're both town and that scum don't care who get lynched ?

[skitter30]

VOTE: molla

[skitter30]

[skitter30]

Gg everyone, thanks nsg for modding !

[skitter30]

Skitter, your ability to dodge being the lynch after just killing or lynching everyone who hard scumread you is INSANE.

Smart, why can't you just roll town with me sometime dude?

Thanks! Literally first time i ever managed to pull that off as scum tho!^

I have more thoughts for the morning

[skitter30]

Also this was a great pl, thanks everyone!

[skitter30]

Keeping the hoods open would slowly negate the efficacy ofthe traffic analyst, no?

[skitter30]

Also that GOAT mafia PT. Never seen such an interesting/interactive thread.

I tend to talk a lot on scum pts
I have a couple that went to 30+ pages each

[skitter30]

i know, i think that eve's more likely scum here than auro, which is why i'm voting there

also idk why that team would be super threatened by acryon either

Umm, look at the VC - all Eve votes were directly after the Acryon wagon.

Acryon isn't the counterwagon to Eve, Eve is the counterwagon to Acryon.

VOTE: Skitter

auro, it was this vote, it didn't make much sense ^

[skitter30]

i know, but looking at it i was like lolwut becaue that particular reason made little sense

[skitter30]

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mod Thread

Skitter/GuiltyLion, are you both individually fine with being offwagon? I absolutely am.

sure

this is a pretty dangerous proposition to agree to for skitter, i feel. it's definitely a lose condition.

interested to see if she gets out of following through by hard-pushing a wagon and sort of brushing off any attempted micro-managing of who's on-wagon and who's off.

yeaaaaaaaah about that
i basically felt like i wasn't in a position where i could get away with protesting being on it, i felt like if i did anything more than a token protest it would backfire and cause more harm than good
also iirc at that point we had pinned allo already so it was functionally irrelevant + we had some contingency plans for bussing me if necessary

[skitter30]

Subject: Mini 2136 | Mod Thread

Random thought, but if the TA dies tonight, you should HEAVILY consider lynching people who said they were okay being off wagon, because that would mean scums figured out the TA and that they know there's no risk in being off wagon. Maybe there's a crumb out there. Just a random thought.

Very astute!

also this was also right ... but i was pretty sure if she got lynched it would be functionally irrelevant because people would forget about it

[skitter30]

I and Eve did put forward a version argument pretty strongly, no? That the people off wagon are suspect, and that you're competent enough to actually go for that kill.

right i forgot that you pushed that lol.
it wasn't quite the same argument that nom made
eve didn't push it, i don't think

the titus thing was kinda impulsive and i just kinda ran with it and strengthened it when i realized it was screwing with the gamestate that much
i mostly just wanted to keep her alive cuz i knew she was the best chance to misvote in lylo (i thought on gl but still)

[skitter30]

i didn't think she would be mislynched, i thought she would cast the lylo vote.

i think if we were both on-wagon we probably weren't and would have like killed you or something
(i felt like i was spewing so much bs cuz you and gl and like everyone else were completely right lol)

[skitter30]

eh we would have had to have discuss it

[skitter30]

i felt like i was spewing so much bs

EXACTLY - that's part of how I scumread you, I KNEW you understood. And you did this for like basically every argument I was throwing.

Fun stuff

that's the thing, we all know that i'm not gonna continuously just like *not* get something like this, so i always feel like i'm on shaky ground when my entire position through the game is dependant on me spewing nonsense that i make up on the spot

[skitter30]

well played skitter and Limit!

i'm just proud of myself for being right on skitts for most of the game

you were! sorry for the mislynch, i kinda saw the day coming down to me or you and i kinda wanted it to not be me for obvious reasons
i thought your spew was hilarious too!

[skitter30]

i think if if both of us were onwagon an inno could have been a good thing because it would have given limit a reason to Not be Dead

[skitter30]

i'm glad! i had fun scumclaiming - speaking of what was the reaction you thought was scummy from Limit North?

it was actually skitter's "sweet". in a normal game i would consider it scummy because she seemingly doesn't care about final thoughts before she might get killed - in this game there's obviously the neighborhood that alleviates that, but even there if i recall it didn't seem like she was worried.

yeah i was activley thinking about playing that up in the hood but being worried of dying seemed silly when i just pushed a townflip and i was next so i didn't think that owuld be believable

[skitter30]

damn, gg everyone! Very well played by Limit/Skitter!! The theater between you two on D1 was perfectly pulled off, I independently lock-towned Lilith from it and a pairing between you two basically never once crossed my mind after that. I think we coulda got skitter eventually today maybe but hard to see us winning in 3p, the whole town was p much suckered. this is definitely a game for me to learn from for sure

yeah i always think it's funny to argue to town about why they ought to be scumreading my partner

gg tho, i really enjoyed playing with you! you def gave me a run for my money !

[skitter30]

indeed! i think we'd be super great as tvt!

i'm happy i was able to fool you this time tho!

i'd be down to hydra sometime too

[skitter30]

yeah also as scum i really really need that break for a couple of days and having to play in neighborhoods overnight is just kinda bleh

[skitter30]

Can we just all sign up for the same game with this player list

Yes! NSG count me as a pre-in if this happens.

I meant more like for any game in queue, but I would play this game again too

^