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Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:37 pm

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I am a Merlin (not saying which colour) and I am informed SirCakez is mafia.

VOTE: SirCakez

Time's up, Chrom.
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Post Post #12 (isolation #1) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:50 pm

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That is a great idea, TrueSoulEnergy! We can give the real Merlins such as myself deep cover, and the mafia will never know who is the true Merlin!
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Post Post #26 (isolation #2) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:22 pm

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How did you do that?? Can I learn this power?
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Post Post #28 (isolation #3) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:24 pm

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Pink?
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Post Post #31 (isolation #4) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:25 pm

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Hey, your username is lying... I don't like that
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Post Post #34 (isolation #5) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:26 pm

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VOTE: Turquoise-ish(?) Ball

SirCakez can be shelved for day 4.
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Post Post #42 (isolation #6) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:43 pm

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I have reason to believe Faded Jade Ball's claim.

VOTE: Kerset

Seems like they're trying to fish for Merlins. They keep talking about them and it's really making me paranoid about my own Merlin role PM.
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Post Post #46 (isolation #7) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:51 pm

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Do I get the next PageTop?
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Post Post #48 (isolation #8) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:52 pm

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VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy
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Post Post #50 (isolation #9) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:52 pm

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Shheidfj
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Post Post #52 (isolation #10) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:53 pm

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Wow, it feels even better than I ever imagined.

I look forward to improving!
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Post Post #57 (isolation #11) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:03 pm

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I will treasure this status. Since Merlins are always town, we just lynch outside of the Merlin claims and it's an easy win.

While has an ego, Hiraki?
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Post Post #58 (isolation #12) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:03 pm

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*Who
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Post Post #61 (isolation #13) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:13 pm

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Ah, okay. My next PageTop will be an egopost then.
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Post Post #74 (isolation #14) » Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:23 am

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Only 3? Watch this. I'm gonna grab this-
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Post Post #78 (isolation #15) » Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:48 am

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I was too slow D:
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Post Post #81 (isolation #16) » Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:45 am

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Okay

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy
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Post Post #83 (isolation #17) » Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:09 am

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Do it. I dare you.
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Post Post #87 (isolation #18) » Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:31 am

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You're not voting him either. Why don't you?
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Post Post #109 (isolation #19) » Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:02 pm

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If you self-hammer, I will deadsheep all of your scumreads.
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Post Post #126 (isolation #20) » Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:15 pm

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In post 115, Kerset wrote:candles are lame, LED lights masterrace
You want to be my lockscum read as TSE would put it?? Take that back right now.

Btw, as horrifically flawed TSE's Merlin plan is, I think he's town for pushing it.
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Post Post #127 (isolation #21) » Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:18 pm

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VOTE: enomis

Guess: Left
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Post Post #133 (isolation #22) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:24 am

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I should probably do this I guess:

TSE, can you walk us through your Melin strategy step by step and explain why it's a good idea?
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Post Post #143 (isolation #23) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:27 am

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I think there might be a Merlin in [Kerset, Hiraki, Manatee] but Manatee is the weakest of these reads.

I also have a inkling there isn't a Merlin in [Galron, Galron, Galron].
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Post Post #144 (isolation #24) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:29 am

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In post 142, Kerset wrote:
In post 141, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 139, Kerset wrote:I am not satisfied with those wagons give it a try
VOTE: Pink ball
You're not satisfied with the current wagons and you try to builld one on the Pink Merlin? THIS IS MADNESS
You are turquoise!
I think you'll find that's actually Faded Jade Ball. Don't worry, I made the same mistake earlier.
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Post Post #147 (isolation #25) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:33 am

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Is that a Merlin claim?
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Post Post #157 (isolation #26) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:38 pm

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TSE is obvtown for his flawed perception of how the Merlins work.

manatee, I refuse to talk to you further regarding Merlins. It sounds like you're fishing me just because I am one, and it's making me very uncomfortable.
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Post Post #173 (isolation #27) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:05 pm

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In post 151, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
So the masons are never outed we will Claim our ConfScum Read.
With that, scum can’t win. At least not by our second wincon.
Plus you can always switch targets with your mason buddies so scum guesses wrong on who goes with who.
Wait, I don't get this typo actually. Having "your" there instead of "our" doesn't make any more sense. Since when have you thought I was scum?
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Post Post #174 (isolation #28) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:08 pm

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VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy
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Post Post #175 (isolation #29) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:08 pm

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My precious
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Post Post #178 (isolation #30) » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:31 pm

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Which Merlin read would you like elaboration on?
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Post Post #195 (isolation #31) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:36 am

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In post 183, Kerset wrote:This game is being played more like assassins in the palace then avalon.
I don't know what you're talking about, Chiaki Merlin.
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Post Post #214 (isolation #32) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:37 am

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You should talk more often. You're making it obvious what colour you are. You know who you are.
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Post Post #215 (isolation #33) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:38 am

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In post 203, enomis wrote:I am ok with jumping on hiraki wagon.
In post 205, enomis wrote:
In post 204, PenguinPower wrote:-Shows why TSE is scummy
-Hey, I’ll hop on the counterwagon.

...
You can read it as,

I would prefer TSE wagon but I am ok with a hiraki wagon too.
That's not how I would read that first post actually. The TSE wagon is available. Hop on.
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Post Post #216 (isolation #34) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:39 am

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Post Post #221 (isolation #35) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:47 am

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In post 218, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:alright my plan sorta worked but didn’t go as well as I thought it would.
But yeah PP is scum.

VOTE: PP

Also change of plans.
We give 4 reads instead of 1 to confuse scum.

So PP, Manatee, enomis and Galron.
What was your plan?

I'll make it clear to you:
  • Scum are told the 3 Merlins are in a pool of 5 town players.
  • If each Merlin claims the scum they're informed of as their "confscum" read, scum will instantly know which Merlin is which.
  • Scum win.
Your strategy never worked and would mean a loss.
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Post Post #222 (isolation #36) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:48 am

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Hmm, I think there's 2 Merlins on this page.
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Post Post #225 (isolation #37) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:27 am

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You really gotta stop with this Merlin fishing, Chiaki Merlin. You trying to figure out if I'm joking about being a Merlin or am a Merlin?

And for the record, I never joke.
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Post Post #226 (isolation #38) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:27 am

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WOAH
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Post Post #227 (isolation #39) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:28 am

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I consider this game won no matter what happens now.
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Post Post #239 (isolation #40) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:01 am

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My inside sources tell me Hiraki has a non-significant chance of being Merlin, so you may proceed.

However, enomis has been scummier.
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Post Post #245 (isolation #41) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:47 pm

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In post 221, Five Candles wrote:
In post 218, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:alright my plan sorta worked but didn’t go as well as I thought it would.
But yeah PP is scum.

VOTE: PP

Also change of plans.
We give 4 reads instead of 1 to confuse scum.

So PP, Manatee, enomis and Galron.
What was your plan?

I'll make it clear to you:
  • Scum are told the 3 Merlins are in a pool of 5 town players.
  • If each Merlin claims the scum they're informed of as their "confscum" read, scum will instantly know which Merlin is which.
  • Scum win.
Your strategy never worked and would mean a loss.
Let's lynch TSE!
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Post Post #246 (isolation #42) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:49 pm

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SirCakez, please rank these from least scummy to most scummy:

1) OK

2) Okay

3) Okaaaaaay

4) Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

5) Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
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Post Post #263 (isolation #43) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:01 am

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Whoever hammers TSE joins the Merlinbloc. It's a one time offer and you'd be joining the likes of Faded Jade, Shocking, and Gold Merlin.

Hiraki, do it. No one will blame you.
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Post Post #264 (isolation #44) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:01 am

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Trust in the process
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Post Post #268 (isolation #45) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:28 pm

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Hmm, maybe if you hammered on a PageBottom, or maybe even a PageMiddle? Anything higher than that would be the stuff of legends.
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Post Post #273 (isolation #46) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:53 pm

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Oh yeah, we totally got lucky. I'm sure that was it. You're just ignorant to the PROCESS.
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Post Post #275 (isolation #47) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:58 pm

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On top of the world
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Post Post #279 (isolation #48) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:12 pm

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Agreed on Midari. Also, her anime villain avatar makes me scumread her. Avatar reads are nearly as important as Merlin reads.
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Post Post #283 (isolation #49) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:26 pm

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Maybe, Faded Jade Ball!1!TWO!3!
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Post Post #287 (isolation #50) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:22 pm

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In post 285, SirCakez wrote:okkkkkaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Post Post #288 (isolation #51) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:25 pm

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No concern about Hiraki being the counterwagon? I get he's not a Merlin my Cakez, but think about the optics.

Pink Merlin/Manatee/Midari all look bad.
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Post Post #290 (isolation #52) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:34 pm

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In post 138, ManateeDude wrote:VOTE: Hiraki

I like this wagon :cool:
In post 185, ManateeDude wrote:Cakez any particular reason you're still voting midari
In post 187, ManateeDude wrote:VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy
He was on the counterwagon until TSE was at 5 votes, and Hiraki was down to 3, and then he switched. Could be a bus. Also, he asked Cakez why he was voting Midari (maybe wanting him to switch to Hiraki).
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Post Post #291 (isolation #53) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:35 pm

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Wait, 4 and 3 actually.
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Post Post #292 (isolation #54) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:36 pm

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In post 123, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
In post 121, ManateeDude wrote:Tempted to lynch TSE just for that comment from Hiraki
Your scum with them aren’t you?
You, PP and Hiraki?
In post 218, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:alright my plan sorta worked but didn’t go as well as I thought it would.
But yeah PP is scum.

VOTE: PP

Also change of plans.
We give 4 reads instead of 1 to confuse scum.

So PP, Manatee, enomis and Galron.
But also TSE might've spewed him with this.
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Post Post #296 (isolation #55) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:40 pm

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Why did you vote Hiraki originally?

What's the anime, Midari??
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Post Post #297 (isolation #56) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:51 pm

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Too afraid to answer, eh? I hope you're seeing what I'm seeing, fellow Merlins.
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Post Post #299 (isolation #57) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:57 pm

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Your vision looks a little blurry too
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Post Post #313 (isolation #58) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:52 pm

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In post 184, SirCakez wrote:
In post 172, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Whatever Scum.
ok hear me out
this actually seems kind of genuine frustration? PP was being kinda rude to TSE and I can see TSE (knowing his personality) ending that argument this way as town.
Oh, yikes, this is a real bad post, Cakez. How would've you expected scum!TSE to end that conversation at the time? Drawing a whole lot alignment-wise from 2 words there.

I need to consult with my Merlins. ONE, Tango3, Concerned.
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Post Post #342 (isolation #59) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:35 am

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Faded Jade Pink will be mourned.

VOTE: Midari

SirCakez is town from tone, despite him pushing the counterwagon. Manatee and Shocking have been giving Merlin vibes recently, but I'm still discussing this with the council and it isn't conclusive.
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Post Post #343 (isolation #60) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:37 am

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In post 184, SirCakez wrote:
In post 172, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Whatever Scum.
ok hear me out
this actually seems kind of genuine frustration? PP was being kinda rude to TSE and I can see TSE (knowing his personality) ending that argument this way as town.
This still gives me the hoobiejoobies though.
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Post Post #344 (isolation #61) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:39 am

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Midari, the Merlins would like to know why you weren't interested with lynching TSE towards the later part of yesterday.
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Post Post #349 (isolation #62) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:22 pm

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In post 345, Kerset wrote:Stop implying that merlins wants or not.
Are you Merlin fishing again?? If you insist: Could you tell me who you think is more likely to be a Merlin out of [Manatee, Galron, Galron]?
In post 348, Kerset wrote:
In post 225, Five Candles wrote:Chiaki Merlin.
I stole Marias avatar. Can i become mini theme merlin?
Whatever you say, Mini Theme Merlin.
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Post Post #362 (isolation #63) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:17 pm

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No one even asked me about what happened to my other four candles D:
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Post Post #372 (isolation #64) » Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:32 am

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Yep, he's the Shocking Merlin. Keep up, Mini Theme Merlin.
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Post Post #396 (isolation #65) » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:25 pm

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#quicklynchmidari

But okay, we could talk if you'd like, Manatee. You still here?
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Post Post #436 (isolation #66) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:55 am

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In post 203, enomis wrote:I am ok with jumping on hiraki wagon.
In post 205, enomis wrote:
In post 204, PenguinPower wrote:-Shows why TSE is scummy
-Hey, I’ll hop on the counterwagon.

...
You can read it as,

I would prefer TSE wagon but I am ok with a hiraki wagon too.
In post 209, enomis wrote:
In post 207, PenguinPower wrote:I think he’s the scummiest here so far, but I’m okay waiting to see what happens.

Why are you okay with the Hiraki wagon, enomis?
Gut.
enomis could be scum for this. Bussed TSE but looked for an excuse to hop on Hiraki. Battle Mage has been very lacklustre, and more like a Novice Magician if I'm being honest.

However, I've talked to the council and they agree that Midari should still be the lynch today, unless she returns and does soemthing not terrible. Galron is a distraction.

Actually, while Midari is absent. Let's:

VOTE: Battle Mage

Contribute, Sorcerer.
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Post Post #437 (isolation #67) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:58 am

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I think Midari is due a replacement actually. Maybe we'll get lucky and a Merlin will fill the slot.
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Post Post #438 (isolation #68) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:00 am

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In post 396, Five Candles wrote:#quicklynchmidari

But okay, we could talk if you'd like, Manatee. You still here?
Coward.

You scared of me just because I'm a Merlin?

Seeing that hashtag just reminded me though, the best way to progress/rejuvenate this game is with a quicklynch.

VOTE: Midari

Quicklynching Midari is the only way. Come on, people, her actions put her as our best odds for scum, and it doesn't look like she's returning to address our concerns.
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Post Post #441 (isolation #69) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:22 am

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If Midari is scum, Battle Mage probably isn't, and vice versa. Don't come at me with that sickening preflip analysis, Galron.
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Post Post #443 (isolation #70) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:42 am

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(Assuming Battle Mage goes through with lynching Midari was the implication)

A shame how illuminating and clear the world can be, yet you all decided to live in the shadows.
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Post Post #444 (isolation #71) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:43 am

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#quicklynchMidari is very briefly delayed to wait and see if Titus managed to townspew her slot.

If not, #quicklynchTitus will resume at full force.
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Post Post #449 (isolation #72) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:46 am

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There doesn't have to be a busser, but it'd be Manatee or Enomis/Battle Mage. Manatee because of .

How do you feel about the mods slipping an extra Merlin into the game? Is that fair?
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Post Post #450 (isolation #73) » Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:47 am

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In post 445, Kerset wrote:
In post 443, Five Candles wrote:A shame how illuminating and clear the world can be, yet you all decided to live in the shadows.
We got awesome LED lights, which are way superior to your candles. 200% more light
They're bad for your eyes, and can your fancy LED lights create FIRE? I thought not, Mini Theme Merlin.
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Post Post #474 (isolation #74) » Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:21 am

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This is why I started the #quicklynchTitus movement, folks. The game will starve otherwise.

I'd move to Battle Mage as well.
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Post Post #489 (isolation #75) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:35 am

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VOTE: Battle Mage

I'd start here, Merlins. This is the least I've ever seen Battle Mage play before, and I can envisage Enomis being a bus, especially with how he commented on his willingness to wagon hop.
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Post Post #519 (isolation #76) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:44 pm

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VOTE: Battle Mage

Ahem
. Let's try this again.
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Post Post #520 (isolation #77) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:46 pm

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Ah, that's lylo. I may be a Merlin but I'm no savage.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

But yeah, come in here and give us some amazing Merlinspew or analysis or you're dead, Battle Mage.
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Post Post #521 (isolation #78) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:50 pm

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Battle Mage + Cakez/Hiraki is my solve. Probably Cakez for the way he tried to call TSE town in that post way back then.

I feel sad that my fellow Mini Theme and Manatee Merlins are both dead and I no longer have anyone to scold me for talking about them.
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Post Post #533 (isolation #79) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:27 am

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In post 512, Battle Mage wrote:Running the numbers, Galron has to be scum. Let's bank this one!

VOTE: Galron
What did you mean by "running the numbers"? If it's solely talking about how our fellow Merlins acted, then why would you even bring it up in the first place?
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Post Post #535 (isolation #80) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:53 am

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In post 524, Battle Mage wrote:In hindsight I should have been more active and artificially posted lots of reads to obfuscate things, but it felt kinda high-effort when my main job was done and I just needed to keep a low profile and try and pick things up from others. So apologies for not playing better. :cry:
This doesn't really make sense to me. TSE was dead, so you could solve with no fear at that point and wouldn't have to worry about giving much away. When you're a one-shot cop and get a guilty night 1 and lynch scum day 2, do you lurk for the rest of the game thinking "your job is done", or do you try and step up as the town leader? From what I've seen of your mindset in other games, it's the latter.

I'm backing Shocking Merlin here.
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Post Post #546 (isolation #81) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:44 am

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What is your Merlin nickname?
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Post Post #550 (isolation #82) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:33 am

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Okay, so Battle Mage is scum unless it's exactly Penpow + Hiraki.

Battle Mage, since the game would be lost if you were actually a Merlin, tell us your fellow Merlins without telling us their targets.
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Post Post #551 (isolation #83) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:38 am

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Oh, hang on, he's confirmed scum because he's voting for SirCakez.

Assuming BM is town:

If SirCakez is town, Cakez would've be quickhammered.
If SirCakez is mafia, he would've hammer Battle Mage.

Cool, we ready for night, my Merlins?
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Post Post #564 (isolation #84) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:49 am

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Sigh, I'll try rereading the game later. Shouldn't be too hard given its length.

Grant me your power if you're watching from the sidelines, my Merlins.
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Post Post #565 (isolation #85) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:51 am

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In post 563, SirCakez wrote:also a headsup I'm gonna have to replace out Saturday (I'm going on a trip somewhere with no internet) so hopefully we can end this before then and save Molla the trouble
4 days till then so that might not be enough. How long you gone on this trip for?
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Post Post #566 (isolation #86) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:56 am

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Tbh, BM's vote and posts concerning Cakez looked more like distancing yesterday than a serious push. I think at that point BM knows he's always going down so tries to bus to distance from Cakez? Except the posts look so fake, like this one:
In post 527, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 526, SirCakez wrote:Yeah ok lol
Lack of a vote for me is tantamount to a confession? It's LyLo, so if you were town you should always be voting for me here, particularly if you aren't planning to engage with me.
Then again, maybe that's his intention since he knows he's going down so is in
big
Merlin brain anti-spew mode.

The first 3 Days will probably be more enlightening.
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Post Post #574 (isolation #87) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:05 am

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Oof
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Post Post #582 (isolation #88) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:09 am

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SirCakez, why did you keep shading enomis during Day 1 instead of outright pushing him? And were you not afraid of being discovered as the Merlin on that slot due to the frequency that you did it?

If you are a Merlin, I apologise for not befriending you earlier. You shall now be known as Dessert Merlin.

Hiraki, what type of Merlin are you? Do you think SirCakez could be scum trying to fish whether you're a Merlin if the scum thinks they're close to winning from that wincon?
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Post Post #585 (isolation #89) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:10 am

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In post 582, Five Candles wrote:Hiraki, what type of Merlin are you?
Wait, maybe don't answer this yet.

Cakez, why did you claim who you were a Merlin on in the first place instead of just claiming Merlin? It makes scum's job a lot easier even if we vote correctly here.
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Post Post #591 (isolation #90) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:15 am

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What............. you're saying you didn't see who your Merlin partners were? Your reaction looks like a scumclaim lol
In post 583, Hiraki wrote:
In post 580, SirCakez wrote:you're CCing as the enomis/BM merlin?
SIR CAKEZ DIDN'T EVEN READ THE MERLIN PMS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You talking about the colours here, right?
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Post Post #594 (isolation #91) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:18 am

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Oh, good point. Yeah, that looks more like him covering for his slip-up there.
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Post Post #598 (isolation #92) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:21 am

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In post 595, SirCakez wrote:ok let me bring up another thing now that I know 5C is town
why would I kill PP here? he was on my side.
and before you say "frame job" obviously that is not working if I were scum here.
It's not really helpful to talk about this I don't think. It gives you slight town points but that's about it.

I more want to talk about why you bothered to shade enomis at all if you weren't pushing him. If you're a Merlin and worried about looking like the Red one for pushing enomis, then why weirdly shade him instead of just not doing that and drawing suspicion?
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Post Post #601 (isolation #93) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:24 am

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In post 488, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: galron
Him and Battle Mage need death.
In post 489, Five Candles wrote:VOTE: Battle Mage

I'd start here, Merlins. This is the least I've ever seen Battle Mage play before, and I can envisage Enomis being a bus, especially with how he commented on his willingness to wagon hop.
Why did you vote for Galron over Battle Mage here?

I even voted for BM to offer that opportunity yet you didn't switch, and the Galron lynch went through.
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Post Post #606 (isolation #94) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:28 am

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Hang on a second... I just checked my role PM and I'm a Merlin and neither of you are my buddies. Someone's lying here.

I'll be back later to reread the game. Hiraki, point out why you think Cakez is lying here.

Pedit: But BM on the other hand was confirmed scum to your PoV...
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Post Post #608 (isolation #95) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:32 am

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Thing is, if Galron flipped town, we'd be in lylo the next day. BM obvscum hammering like that made that lylo really easy for us though. But point is, BM being lynched in the "next few days" isn't okay there.

I get what you mean if you think BM should've been pushed by other people without you helping I guess, but personally, the way you shaded the slot the whole game without directly pushing it actually makes you look more like the corresponding Merlin. It's equivalent to scum shading their buddy without actually pushing them.
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Post Post #614 (isolation #96) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:15 pm

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It's the first day, why would you feel bad for dead chat, Dessert Merlin?

If you'd like, I could hammer you here to speed this up. Or, I can reread the game tomorrow when I have some time and see if I have any other questions or change my mind.
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Post Post #626 (isolation #97) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:57 am

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In post 524, Battle Mage wrote:I've been trying to avoid saying too much to give away who the other Merlins (or indeed myself) were
Missed this, Dessert Merlin?

I can't see myself ever hammering Blindfolded Merlin after you slipped like that, so uh, you might as well out your fellow Merlins and give scum a 50/50 if you're town. Maybe it'll make an extreme amount of sense but it'd take a miracle to change my mind I think.
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Post Post #627 (isolation #98) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:02 am

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I skimmed through the game again and mostly, all I got were icky feels from you never pushing your supposed Merlin target while shading them in a suspicious way - which just looks like scum distancing.

Hiraki's play has been fine. The only weird thing I see is how he was a wagon for so long when he essentially has 2 Mason partners. But the same could be said if he was scum and has 2 scum partners. So never mind that. Also, TSE placed the 3rd vote on Hiraki when he was a wagon early into day 1.
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Post Post #628 (isolation #99) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:06 am

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Link your last scum game, Dessert Merlin.
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Post Post #629 (isolation #100) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:09 am

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In post 628, Five Candles wrote:Link your last scum game, Dessert Merlin.
Should probably look at this first before the out your fellow Merlin plan.
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Post Post #641 (isolation #101) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:22 am

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In post 583, Hiraki wrote:
In post 580, SirCakez wrote:you're CCing as the enomis/BM merlin?
SIR CAKEZ DIDN'T EVEN READ THE MERLIN PMS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
In post 584, SirCakez wrote:
In post 582, Five Candles wrote:SirCakez, why did you keep shading enomis during Day 1 instead of outright pushing him? And were you not afraid of being discovered as the Merlin on that slot due to the frequency that you did it?
I was afraid of being too obvious about it. enomis went basically ignored all of day 1 so if I kept pushing a lurker rather than the wagons who were being discussed I think scum would have noticed. I don't even recall another enomis pusher D1.
That's why I upped my pushing when BM entered, because I had more ammunition to use with my meta case
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In post 587, SirCakez wrote:FUCKKKK ME
In post 588, Hiraki wrote:Cakez, you should just hammer this. The above is an admittance that he didn't understand the setup LOL
In post 589, SirCakez wrote:so I was supposed to know who the other Merlins were this whole game :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
In post 585, Five Candles wrote:
In post 582, Five Candles wrote:Hiraki, what type of Merlin are you?
Wait, maybe don't answer this yet.

Cakez, why did you claim who you were a Merlin on in the first place instead of just claiming Merlin? It makes scum's job a lot easier even if we vote correctly here.
Because I had a lot of evidence supporting me on pushing the enomis/BM slot
I was worried if I just claimed general Merlin it would be less believable
and like I said I think it's obvious which Merlin I was
These posts are actually really close together in timestamps. If scum!Cakez realises his grave CC error, does he really come up with the "I didn't realise I was supposed to know my other Merlins" in like 30 seconds? I'm actually reconsidering.
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Post Post #645 (isolation #102) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:57 am

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I think as scum, Dessert Merlin would know about the setup, since surely it would have come up in the scum PT at some point - being such an integral part of looking for Merlins, right? And my point is that Carrot Cake Merlin reacted straight away with the claiming to not realise he was supposed to know his Merlin buddies. If scum messes up there, do they instantly think of that as an excuse? I'm doubtful. Of course, the alternative is that SirCakez knew this but it didn't click in his head when Hiraki CCed him, which is why he slipped up; that's entirely possible too.

But then I think about the rest of the game, and everything else points towards Cakez.
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Post Post #646 (isolation #103) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:59 am

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In post 456, SirCakez wrote:
In post 446, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 430, Galron wrote:
In post 429, SirCakez wrote:Galron's reaction is bad
Jesus. Are you mad because I'm not playing in your pre-defined structure of how you think I should be? Are you mad because I'm voting you? Look around. If you're not scum, quit acting like it.

This game has been a slog. I don't think too many people really know how to approach it yet. TSE made a dumb strategy post that outed him as scum Day 1. Midari made a post Day 1 to the effect of how many understand the rules/setup. That sounded townie to me at the time, and even though she's kind of scum claimed since then, I think that still may be one of the most honest posts of the game. Other than Hiraki's rant. If you look at that, he pretty much nailed the game dynamic at the time. And his ISO is essentially a mind meld with where I'm at. Now we have cakez scum reading four or five people, penguin saying he's okay lynching Midari but not voting there, and Manatee and candles, I don't really know what they're about. Enomis was honest enough to bail, and like I said before, I don't see scum repping out of a lurk party. Battle Mage, bless him, also honestly said he is having difficulty with the mechanic.

If y'all want to lynch Midari, fine, but I think cakez is the better candidate today.
This resonates with me. SirCakez you're right that this is not how I played in Jigsaw, however:

A. My play in Jigsaw single-handedly screwed up the entire game for the town, so it's hardly a meta I'm trying to re-create. :facepalm:
B. I'm not a complete try-hard in every game as town - my drive generally links to my level of engagement, and confidence in my reads.

I wonder if you're genuinely scumreading me based on that meta, or if you're trying to encourage me to play like I did in Jigsaw? The latter is tantamount to fishing in this game.
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VOTE: SirCakez
Ok this is definitely scum
Not because of OMGUS but because BM has done jack shit to scumhunt and can only offer this as his vote. And his logic makes literally no sense. Trying to fish him what?

I think I'm def wrong on one of Hiraki/Midari slot cuz I have too many strong SRs. Probably Hiraki.
I'm sorry, but this is not how you play Merlin. You shaded and expressed strong scumreads on BM but never pushed him until everyone else was obviously going to lynch him anyway. That's just how you make yourself look like a Merlin on BM.
How I would play Merlin, is to allow myself/find a natural way to scumread my target later on if the town aren't getting it done. Or just don't weirdly shade them the entire game without pushing if you're afraid of being caught out.

What you did is what scum do to distance from each other.
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Post Post #647 (isolation #104) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:07 am

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In post 568, SirCakez wrote:alright I think scum probably already figured this out and it looks like you're both against me so I'm just gonna drop that I was the Merlin on enomis/BM slot
That's why I kept pushing on BM as soon as he replaced in and why I had enomis in my back SRs the whole game.
I don't get the "scum probably already figured this out" bit. If Hiraki was scum, they'd surely be more inclined to think he was your target.

And you're admitting here your Merlin strategy was poor if you think they'd have figured it out?
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Post Post #648 (isolation #105) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:11 am

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I'll hammer Dessert Merlin before I go to sleep tonight. If you're town and think you can convince me otherwise, go for it, Cakez.
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Post Post #655 (isolation #106) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:23 am

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My mind isn't nearly as made up as you think it is, Dessert Merlin, but you're making me feel bad for "dragging this out" as you put it. There are things that point to Blindfolded Merlin, but they're not things that I can ask him about.
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~ (6)
Midari Ikishima(1)
~ (6)
Kerset(1)
~ (10)


Not Voting (1): Hiraki(7)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-06-16 20:04:57)
TSE voting for Hiraki when he thinks he's going down is actually scum points for Hiraki. Since I remembered that the last time I played with scum!TSE, he started hard bussing as soon as he thought he was going down from the mid of the day up till the end.
In post 446, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 430, Galron wrote:
In post 429, SirCakez wrote:Galron's reaction is bad
Jesus. Are you mad because I'm not playing in your pre-defined structure of how you think I should be? Are you mad because I'm voting you? Look around. If you're not scum, quit acting like it.

This game has been a slog. I don't think too many people really know how to approach it yet. TSE made a dumb strategy post that outed him as scum Day 1. Midari made a post Day 1 to the effect of how many understand the rules/setup. That sounded townie to me at the time, and even though she's kind of scum claimed since then, I think that still may be one of the most honest posts of the game. Other than Hiraki's rant. If you look at that, he pretty much nailed the game dynamic at the time. And his ISO is essentially a mind meld with where I'm at. Now we have cakez scum reading four or five people, penguin saying he's okay lynching Midari but not voting there, and Manatee and candles, I don't really know what they're about. Enomis was honest enough to bail, and like I said before, I don't see scum repping out of a lurk party. Battle Mage, bless him, also honestly said he is having difficulty with the mechanic.

If y'all want to lynch Midari, fine, but I think cakez is the better candidate today.
This resonates with me. SirCakez you're right that this is not how I played in Jigsaw, however:

A. My play in Jigsaw single-handedly screwed up the entire game for the town, so it's hardly a meta I'm trying to re-create. :facepalm:
B. I'm not a complete try-hard in every game as town - my drive generally links to my level of engagement, and confidence in my reads.

I wonder if you're genuinely scumreading me based on that meta, or if you're trying to encourage me to play like I did in Jigsaw? The latter is tantamount to fishing in this game.
All
things considered...you're my guy. :wink:

VOTE: SirCakez
This BM vote made the VC:
In post 472, Auro wrote:
Votecount 2.3

SirCakez(3)
~ (8), (22), (9)

Galron(3)
~ (14), (20), (28)
Titus(2)
~ (19), (15)
Hiraki(1)
~ (6)


Not Voting (0):

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2020-06-25 15:22:39)


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That's a little risky if you're both scum. If you get lynched there, BM's in a terrible position because I don't think he could solo from that position.
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Post Post #656 (isolation #107) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:26 am

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Go on, ask Hiraki some questions that you think will help spew him as scum. You could help me out here.
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Post Post #681 (isolation #108) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:02 am

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My head is telling me to hammer Dessert Merlin, but my gut is telling me to hammer Blindfolded Merlin.

Cakez is good at AtEing...
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Post Post #683 (isolation #109) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:05 am

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Cakez, what did you have to reply with to confirm your Merlin PM? Didn't you have to provide your buddies names or something?
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Post Post #686 (isolation #110) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:35 am

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But BM knew the Merlins knew each other. He mentioned it a previous post of his. If Cakez is scum, it's because he forgot about the logic when you CCed him and didn't put himself in the right perspective.
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Post Post #699 (isolation #111) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:27 pm

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I'll hammer someone on Friday 100% so you won't need to replace out, Dessert Merlin. I can't think of any other questions to ask you guys so I'm just thinking really.

The whole game for me hinges on whether Cakez could actually go this whole game without knowing his fellow Merlins as a Merlin. Or if he's scum that actually just managed to come up with an excuse in record time once realising he slipped. I hate my anti--OMGUS tendency to townread people who rage at me but that might be playing a part with how Cakez got angry at me earlier.

But then, was the TSE vote indicative of town or scum!Hiraki? I've come back around to thinking town, since TSE was definitely not buried at that point, which is evident to how he was voting Shocking Merlin after that who is town, so he clearly wasn't trying to distance or bus even at the end.

BM's vote and push on Cakez 3 days ago looks legit, but his vote yesterday looks very fake.

Hiraki being afraid to talk based on scum having the Merlin wincon gives me townpings. It comes at the expense of looking like he's using it as an excuse to avoid questions to me potential, so I think I like it.

Actually, having said that all, I think I'm still gonna hammer Dessert Merlin. There were a couple of times this day phase where gun to head, I would actually hammer Blindfolded Merlin, but I'm back here.
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Post Post #700 (isolation #112) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:28 pm

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Bahdkfkssnhd
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Post Post #701 (isolation #113) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:28 pm

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Thank you for the training, Shocking Merlin.

I am a master now.
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Post Post #702 (isolation #114) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:37 pm

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VOTE: SirCakez

I don't think I'm changing my mind so no point waiting any longer.

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Post Post #716 (isolation #115) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:21 pm

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I am sorry, my Merlins...
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Post Post #717 (isolation #116) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:23 pm

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In post 706, Hiraki wrote:Just curious, who was shocking Merlin?
Shocking Merlin was Penpow. Well played. I don't think you did much wrong in that lylo.

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Post Post #718 (isolation #117) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:25 pm

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Hmm, I should go with my gut more often. The slip seemed ridiculous but Dessert Merlin's tone and emotion felt very real that day. Have fun on your trip btw, Cakez!

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Post Post #720 (isolation #118) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:43 pm

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<3

I like your new avatar, Faded Jade Merlin.

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