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Post Post #2475 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:46 am

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Well, he didn't die is the thing. Which means he's BP or you're scum, but then you actually knew I used a killing action on him...
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Post Post #2476 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:46 am

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In post 2475, Hoctac wrote:Well, he didn't die is the thing. Which means he's BP or you're scum, but then you actually knew I used a killing action on him...
he already claimed BP
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Post Post #2477 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:48 am

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Huh, then it's probably just him.

Did he claim BP thinking that would actually be good for him lol
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Post Post #2478 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:53 am

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Also, if Micc town then you traitor vs if you traitor, Micc scum. So it was a better shot.

I'll probably vote Micc once I've actually caught up and I don't spot any glaring issues. Going for real now.
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Post Post #2479 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:56 am

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someone better give me an awfully good reason there wasn't a night kill.
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Post Post #2480 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:57 am

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In post 2479, Firebringer wrote:someone better give me an awfully good reason there wasn't a night kill.
Because Hoctac is scum who shot Micc, who is either bulletproof town or bulletproof scum.

That's a good reason.
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Post Post #2481 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:57 am

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In post 2480, Umlaut wrote:
In post 2479, Firebringer wrote:someone better give me an awfully good reason there wasn't a night kill.
Because Hoctac is scum who shot Micc, who is either bulletproof town or bulletproof scum.

That's a good reason.
In Hoctac world. There is a missing shot I want explained.
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Post Post #2482 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:58 am

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since Micc claimed 1 BP. He didn't get shot twice.
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Post Post #2483 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:00 am

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Should I just vote Hoctac now? I'm willing to wait but I'm pretty sure the plan is just "lynch Hoctac, then possibly lynch Auro if the game isn't over" no matter what else gets said
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Post Post #2484 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:01 am

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i am fine either way
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Post Post #2485 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:06 am

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Okay then

VOTE: Hoctac

From what we've already worked out there's just no way there is scum outside the neighborhood unless they're a traitor. If anyone can think of a way it's possible they should say so but I'm pretty sure we've covered all the possibilities.
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Post Post #2486 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:09 am

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UNVOTE: Hoctac

Want to go over the possibilities one more time
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Post Post #2487 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:10 am

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then the shocking twist arrives:

Looker claims doctor/BP
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Post Post #2488 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:11 am

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this setup makes more sense if me/micc are the only PR or just me.
i don't think me/hoctac/+another town savior makes sense.
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Post Post #2489 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:12 am

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Ircher as a mod ive seen him design setups to have so minimum power roles in games the reviewers had to argue with him to add extra stuff because it was so low.
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Post Post #2490 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:22 am

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  • If Micc is town then any scum outside the nhood is a traitor per Micc's results
  • If Micc is scum then he has to be a traitor because scum wouldn't shoot him otherwise (unless Hoctac is a disloyal even-night vigilante and also scum no-killed, lol)
so definitely all group scum are in the neighborhood.

If FB is traitor then he would have to have goddamn magic powers to guess that Hoctac actually did shoot Micc after no one died last night, so he's pretty much 100% clear and we can trust his results.

It's also just absurd to think that vig!Hoctac decides not to shoot Auro who is pretty much confirmed scum from his perspective, but instead shoots Micc his townread and a claimed PR, who turns out to be the bulletproof traitor, on the same night that scum decides to no-kill for no reason at all.

Okay fine, voting again.

VOTE: Hoctac
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Post Post #2491 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:31 am

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In post 2462, Umlaut wrote: According to the wiki page on Disloyal:
Disloyal is an acceptable modifier under Normal guidelines on mafiascum.net, when used on an active role belonging to a player of any Town or Mafia/Werewolf alignment. It causes the role to behave as though it were roleblocked unless the target has a different alignment than the user.
Roleblocked actions don't happen, therefore actions prevented by a Disloyal modifier don't happen.
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Post Post #2492 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:21 am

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Ircher says it is correct and no mod errors have occurred so, yeah, Hoctac is pretty much 100% lying here.
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Post Post #2493 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:32 pm

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Day 5 VC #2

Hoctac (2) (L-2): Firebringer (), Umlaut ()

Not Voting (4): Hoctac, Looker, Micc, Auro ()

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Post Post #2494 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:32 pm

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I'm really not though. We're gonna lose here because Micc is bulletproof scum to counter my role lol

VOTE: Micc
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Post Post #2495 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:40 pm

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Micc + Umlaut? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense with clidd implying a guilty on Umlaut the previous day. Auro as well, they've both had each other as townread for most the game iirc. Oh, Micc + Looker would be interesting. "Clear" your buddy and town assume scum never go for that.
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Post Post #2496 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:41 pm

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Probably Micc + Auro though.

Which means both people on my wagon are probably town and a quickhammer is most likely imminent. Nice.
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Post Post #2497 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:39 pm

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I intend to vote Hoctac as long as Looker doesn't come in with a meaningful mechanical contribution.
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Post Post #2498 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:07 pm

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In post 2279, Micc wrote:Looker, there's a non zero chance I get a result on umlaut tonight. id really rather keep that option on the table
I refuse to believe that both you and Umlaut are town. Pull the traitor narrative or whatever you want, but I don't believe both of you are town.
In post 2361, Firebringer wrote:scum have to be either:

Hoctac/Micc
Hoctac/Umlaut
Why would scum!Hoctac perform a killing action on Micc if Micc is scum.
In post 2385, Auro wrote:
In post 2377, Umlaut wrote:
In post 2375, Auro wrote:Sure but then lynching Hoctac wins the game anyway
Agreed that if we believe it we lynch Hoctac, but solving the game is still good.
Umm, Auro+Fire means I was trying to get my traitor lynched yesterday and why would I do that?
But what about
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In post 2496, Hoctac wrote:Probably Micc + Auro though.

Which means both people on my wagon are probably town and a quickhammer is most likely imminent. Nice.
We're going to have to create another category of V/LA called C/LA, for Conveniently Limited Access. It's interesting how you get to cherrypick when and when not to speak.
In post 2497, Micc wrote:I intend to vote Hoctac as long as Looker doesn't come in with a meaningful mechanical contribution.
I have no meaningful contribution, mechanical or otherwise.

VOTE: Auro
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Post Post #2499 (ISO) » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:56 pm

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I almost never understand what's going on inside Looker's head, but I respect them nonetheless.
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