Mini Normal 2139: No Flavor Allowed - Game Over

[Micc]

so the gist of my 5 minute skim is that yall are lynching blatant scum slot despite having a traffic analyst result saying he doesn't have a PT?

so the assumption is that yall think hes a traitor.

but also traitors get engamed if the rest of the scum die, so they aren't even worth lynching.

but you're still lynching there?

what am I missing?

predit: I am the traffic analyst. my results are what clidd claimed they are

[Micc]

also please hit me up with the tldr on claims. I haven't found who the claimed neighbors are yet despite lynching in the group of neighbors being a topic of discussion

[Micc]

what do I need to know about hoctac claiming some sort of vig, serious or no?

[Micc]

but I'd still be interested in your thoughts on it.

well yeah, its the only logical conclusion unless there is doubt about my slot.

start with 7 players, throw out me, Looker, and BS and that leaves a lynch pool of you plus the neighbors.

is there doubt about my slot?

[Micc]

I don't agree with that consensus either. I think its pretty unlikely we are looking at all the scum being in the neighborhood, but I wouldn't bet the game on that setup spec.

we should lynch in the neighborhood today.

probably whichever of auro and zulify does the worse job of explaining how they are voting BS right now.

[Micc]

Oh hoctac is in that group too.

VC has hoctac listed twice btw

[Micc]

The neighbors need to justify voting BS here.

either you believe my claim and it follows that BS is off the table for today, or you don't believe my claim and you should be lynching me. There really shouldn't be any middle ground.

I think three scum in the neighborhood is kinda unlikely, but I'm not willing to bet a lynch on that. umlaut is off limits today so that I can try to get another result. if and when I die you all can consider lynching him tomorrow.

[Micc]

A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:

• is Mafia-aligned
  
• knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
  
• identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
  
• cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
  
• is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
  
  
• gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops

really need neighbors to acknowledge this and get away from the BS traitor push unless they are willing to bet the game on my slot being lying scum

[Micc]

You’ll have to help me out and quote it then. I feel like I’ve read day 3 thoroughly and have not come across an explanation for how (Assuming BS is a traitor) lynching him is in any way helpful. It’s basically a side mission with no benefits and all downside.

Lynch BS:
1) he’s traitor and we go to 5 players, 1 scum lynch to win -> equivalent to current state
2) he’s town and we go to 5 players, 2 scum lynch to win -> worse than current state

[Micc]

no, umlaut can still be scum. I would say likely scum by mechanics, but I kinda think he looks better than anyone else today by play so idk.

regardless, I don't want to lynch umlaut today because it makes my power useless N4, and if my power is useless N4 that gives the scumteam more options than if my power is not useless N4.

[Micc]

You’ll have to help me out and quote it then.

Why has Auro dodged this? Please show me where this discussion happened and that you’re not just making stuff up in order to dismiss my discussion points.

Also I’m on board with Zulfy today but kinda want to check in with Looker to get his opinion on which neighbor he sees as most likely to be scum.

[Micc]

Guys I don’t care if BS/fire is a traitor. Normal traitors aren’t worth lynching. Just ignore him if you think that’s the case.

[Micc]

thoroughly was probably not great word choice. i grazed over a lot of the pages that were just ame being secretive about their claim for no real reason.

but i have you iso and I can search for the words 'scum equity' and find two hits. none of which weigh the risk/reward of lynching BS slot on the assumption that it is a traitor.

you seem to be taking it as a given that he's a traitor. yeah we'd lynch there if it was a 99% scum lynch, but I've not seem a compelling case for that slot being more scummy than anyone else in the game.

[Micc]

i do need to spend more time understanding how the cakez wagon went down. don't feel like ive really analyzed that yet.

Looker, there's a non zero chance I get a result on umlaut tonight. id really rather keep that option on the table

[Micc]

If the lynch is a neighbor then scum no longer has to kill a neighbor for tomorrow's LYLO.
But with a neighbor lynch they're forced to NK either Hoctac or Auro. If both are alive then I'll entertain Umlaut's 3-scum-in-hood theory.
Lynching me: fucks all of that up completely. And from the very beginning of the day the clidd slot has been gunning for a hood lynch.

I cannot wrap my head around where this comes from regardless of how much I try to understand.

[Micc]

VOTE: zulfy

[Micc]

That’s three each for Firebringer and Zulfy with Looker holding the hammer

[Micc]

i'm also one-shot bulletproof. got a result of umlaut not having private communication.

so with Firebringer faking his result on me, that makes him traitor. so we lynch between hectic/auro for the win.

probably just proxying all votes to umlaut and looker to decide the game at that point.

[Micc]

so with Firebringer faking his result on me,

What????!?!?!?!? I checked Hoctac.

oh I read it as you had me killing hoctac. I was confused why hoctac over auro was the concensus.

sorry I can't read

so with Firebringer faking his result on me, that makes him traitor.

To achieve what though

nevermind this sorry I can't read

[Micc]

this is either firebringer (traitor) + auro partner or hoctac + [partner that doesn't matter]

im inclined to think hoctac + partner but would need to review a bit

[Micc]

If you thought the claim was that you tried to kill Hoctac, why would you claim 1-shot BP today?

because obviously that claim would be fakeclaiming to me and the reality is that I ate the shot with 1sbp

[Micc]

hoctac + [partner that doesn't matter]

wouldn't this have to be Auro from ur perspective?

either you'd be his partner and the game ends when we lynch hoctac or the game doesn't end and we know auro is the partner.

[Micc]

actually Micc, if u take everything u say as true. Then wouldn't it have to be Auro scum.

its either me + auro or auro + hoctac

I don't see how I can rule out FB + hoctac?

[Micc]

And why not Umlaut as traitor, Micc, come again?

yeah umlaut can be traitor too since FB isn't counterclaiming me like I originally thought

I think this is mostly unlikely

[Micc]

actually Micc, if u take everything u say as true. Then wouldn't it have to be Auro scum.

its either me + auro or auro + hoctac

I don't see how I can rule out FB + hoctac?

Because I am specifically asking for Hoctac to be lynched? Unless u think i am purposefully wifoming in a weird way/throwing the game?

yeah that's unlikely. I don't really have it ruled out because I haven't sat and thought about anything for more than a minute. and I'm not going to be making any decisions of that magnitued until I have time to do that

[Micc]

if game continues after Hoctac is lynched.
We know 100% that Auro is scum. (Umlaut is cleared by Micc)

If game ends. It ends because Micc was traitor.

this sounds correct if you replace "micc" with any non-auro name but I want to sit down and think about it before I put any kind of vote down. and I can't really do that right now at work where people keep waking through the office and Im trying to hide the fact that i'm not actually working.

ill be back later tonight

[Micc]

I intend to vote Hoctac as long as Looker doesn't come in with a meaningful mechanical contribution.

[Micc]

I almost never understand what's going on inside Looker's head, but I respect them nonetheless.

[Micc]

VOTE: Hoctac

L-1

[Micc]

is that a scum claim then?

[Micc]

I almost never understand what's going on inside Looker's head, but I respect them nonetheless.

It's disheartening that you'd have to point out that you respect the thoughts of others.

Maybe I should have said I have a bunch of respect for your play instead?

My post was not meant to express a lack of personal respect for you or anyone else. It was to express how highly I value your reads despite often having a hard time following what you’re thinking. I’m sorry if my post didn’t come off that way.

[Micc]

Micc was gambiting.

I’m taking this to be you scum claiming, but in the interest of playing to the end...

What exactly is my gambit here?

[Micc]

If this is going to be a 2v2 I’m not really willing to engage in an argument to convince the other side they’re scum.

If umlaut/looker want to engage I’ll be around to respond

[Micc]

Spoiler:

If this is going to be a 2v2 I’m not really willing to engage in an argument to convince the other side they’re scum.

If umlaut/looker want to engage I’ll be around to respond

Is it Hoctac/Auro vs Micc/Firebringer? I was starting to get the impression you and Auro were on the same side.

Why would scum!Hoctac perform a killing action on Micc if Micc is scum.

because scum!Hoctac doesn't know Micc is his Traitor.

Do you feel like scum traitors know the identity of the mafia team in this game?

u took a u-turn when u realized that looker is gonna vote u tomorrow anyways.

How was this determined?

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• I wish Ircher would've put his clarification in-thread. I'm not sure whether failed Disloyal attempts are still trackable. All I currently have is Umlaut's word that that's what the Mod said.
  
• I don't know how I'm supposed to take "You're wrong" as an adequate argument
  
• Auro's trying to bluff me, and, meanwhile, I think Hoctac's starting to actually take his V/LA seriously
  
• I'm going to be personally incapable of lynching Umlaut due to his new avatar

Yes, that is the 2v2 I was referring to.

You should be able to PM Ircher the exact question that Umlaut posted in the thread and get the same answer.

A traitor must know who the group scum are in order to be normal according to the wiki.

[Micc]

I’d like to thank FB for engaging with Auro’s last ditch effort so that I could go to bed, and clidd for laying groundwork for a mechanical solve. The only non-mechanical decision I made this game was to pick out the wrong Neighbor to lynch Day 3. I was pretty surprised for both FB and I to have received a result Night 3 and that might have contributed to me misreading his result initially.

Thanks for moderating Ircher.