SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

[Alchemist21]

@Auro

Last game we played, when someone pushed you you would poke holes in their scumread by asking them questions that would show they didn’t have a solid case. It’s like you wanted them to think through the line of logic themselves to see that they were wrong and to me it would come off as scum you acting like “you can’t catch me because you don’t have a good case.” I’m not really seeing that from you this game as much as you just bluntly shooting down suspicion of you. Why is that?

I would bluntly shoot down your suspicion by denying I'm doing that

I can see why you get that feeling, and you're partly correct - but my tone should be expected to differ when I'm pushing back suspicion from slots I'm strongly townreading, versus when I feel disingenuity and use the push as a springboard to scumhunt the slot pushing me (where the Socratic method is very useful). The sample size here is 2: Vecna and ML. In Vecna's case, I *did* ask him a bunch of question aimed at re-evaluation; but I assign a higher degree of criticality (and information from experience) to his reading me, and townread him. In ML's case, I both strongly townread her, and had much lesser patience to start with, thus leading to a very direct "shooting down" style of defense.

I would bluntly shoot down your suspicion by denying I'm doing that

I can see why you get that feeling, and you're partly correct - but my tone should be expected to differ when I'm pushing back suspicion from slots I'm strongly townreading, versus when I feel disingenuity and use the push as a springboard to scumhunt the slot pushing me (where the Socratic method is very useful). The sample size here is 2: Vecna and ML. In Vecna's case, I *did* ask him a bunch of question aimed at re-evaluation; but I assign a higher degree of criticality (and information from experience) to his reading me, and townread him. In ML's case, I both strongly townread her, and had much lesser patience to start with, thus leading to a very direct "shooting down" style of defense.

I can see that.

[Alchemist21]

Maybe I was wrong to doubt Auro. This is looking pretty Towny from him.

And at this point I started Townreading Auro.

[gobbledygook]

Nero, Jesus christ you’re so thick headed. Someone you think is scum hinted that they will deal with Pisskop. That is why I backed off from pushing Pisskop and went to 5G, someone I had been scumreading the entire Game and made it very clear I suspected.

[Nero Cain]

and again, gobble won't look bad unless oka is scum. That was the

ENTIRE

purpose of my post, to point out why I was scum reading those 3. Hence why it has Nahdia, gobble and Oka reasoning. It feels a bit slippish that you are saying that gobble will look bad b/c I included an oka post. This feels very agenda-driven and you are prob chainsaw defending a buddy or 2.

[davesaz]

Nero why aren't you scumreading me?

im scum reading everyone. I'm p sure that im the only town here. There's also only 3 scum (5 if u count the 2 infected.) I kinda already laid out my thoughts in VOTE: 6046. V stupid q.

lol at the post link fail

[Nero Cain]

what value that adds to the game

[davesaz]

This game feels a lot like there are enough people acting anti-town enough that scum are having an easy time of hiding within the

reasonable

people.

I think a good FL wagon will be revealing.
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

What would an FL wagon reveal, O rational one?

Kinda defeats the purpose to say why.
What do you think about it?

[Alchemist21]

It feels a bit slippish that you are saying that gobble will look bad b/c I included an oka post.

If you are continuing to say this then you are willfully misrepping my argument because I have made it crystal clear what I was saying.

[Alchemist21]

Nero, Jesus christ you’re so thick headed. Someone you think is scum hinted that they will deal with Pisskop. That is why I backed off from pushing Pisskop and went to 5G, someone I had been scumreading the entire Game and made it very clear I suspected.

He’s not thick headed, just scum.

[davesaz]

The whole thing is Alch is saying that gobble will look bad b/c I added in a oka quote. Why does gobble look bad unless oka is scum?

I’m not though. I’m saying you wanted to make Gobble look bad with his posts, and the oka post is in there because you thought it was one of gobble’s posts.

I can see scum trying to shove words into Nero's mouth.
I don't see a reason for town to push this angle.

[gobbledygook]

Nero, Jesus christ you’re so thick headed. Someone you think is scum hinted that they will deal with Pisskop. That is why I backed off from pushing Pisskop and went to 5G, someone I had been scumreading the entire Game and made it very clear I suspected.

He’s not thick headed, just scum.

If this is scum Nero he’s massively improved his scum play in a very short amount of time and I really don’t think that’s the case. I think he’s just town and this is typical tunnel Nero that was yelled at to oblivion by Fonz and Titus when he incorrectly scumread them and wouldn’t let it go

[CheekyTeeky]

This game feels a lot like there are enough people acting anti-town enough that scum are having an easy time of hiding within the

reasonable

people.

I think a good FL wagon will be revealing.
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

What would an FL wagon reveal, O rational one?

Kinda defeats the purpose to say why.
What do you think about it?

How 3D chess of you. I'm kinda calling BS on you getting anything meaningful out of a lurker!FL wagon.

Are you sitting on that wagon just to see what happens or do you have cause to suspect FL already?

[CheekyTeeky]

Gobbles reads town.

[CheekyTeeky]

Nero isn't making the strongest arguments but I like that he's pushing his angles. Alchemist seems town though I'm unmoved by Auro's self-justification of his weird behaviour early game.
Why is this game so quiet...

[gobbledygook]

Nero, Jesus christ you’re so thick headed. Someone you think is scum hinted that they will deal with Pisskop. That is why I backed off from pushing Pisskop and went to 5G, someone I had been scumreading the entire Game and made it very clear I suspected.

He’s not thick headed, just scum.

If this is scum Nero he’s massively improved his scum play in a very short amount of time and I really don’t think that’s the case. I think he’s just town and this is typical tunnel Nero that was yelled at to oblivion by Fonz and Titus when he incorrectly scumread them and wouldn’t let it go

This isn’t a comment that Nero couldn’t, can’t, or doesn’t have the capability to improve I just think that most people cannot change their scum play like that at the drop of a hat

[Alchemist21]

The whole thing is Alch is saying that gobble will look bad b/c I added in a oka quote. Why does gobble look bad unless oka is scum?

I’m not though. I’m saying you wanted to make Gobble look bad with his posts, and the oka post is in there because you thought it was one of gobble’s posts.

I can see scum trying to shove words into Nero's mouth.
I don't see a reason for town to push this angle.

Nero is shoving words into my mouth, not the other way around.

[Alchemist21]

Nero, Jesus christ you’re so thick headed. Someone you think is scum hinted that they will deal with Pisskop. That is why I backed off from pushing Pisskop and went to 5G, someone I had been scumreading the entire Game and made it very clear I suspected.

He’s not thick headed, just scum.

If this is scum Nero he’s massively improved his scum play in a very short amount of time and I really don’t think that’s the case. I think he’s just town and this is typical tunnel Nero that was yelled at to oblivion by Fonz and Titus when he incorrectly scumread them and wouldn’t let it go

He did a pretty good job in the Mini Normal I finished with him recently.

[OkaPoka]

nero find me the case on flavor that im recycling arguments from?

[OkaPoka]

because i really really doubt i can be recylcing arguments when a core element is pisskop confirming he is infected

[Nero Cain]

I think he’s just town and this is typical tunnel Nero that was yelled at to oblivion by Fonz and Titus when he incorrectly scumread them and wouldn’t let it go

You're no better than me and prob even worse considering that you tried to help the scum team in doubles and you lymched not piss yeterday. You have no room to rag on my game. Titus is a poor player in general that pushed a ton of town and was only correct on like 1 or 2 scum reads b/c they voted her. Ditto Fonz

[gobbledygook]

I think he’s just town and this is typical tunnel Nero that was yelled at to oblivion by Fonz and Titus when he incorrectly scumread them and wouldn’t let it go

You're no better than me and prob even worse considering that you tried to help the scum team in doubles and you lymched not piss yeterday. You have no room to rag on my game. Titus is a poor player in general that pushed a ton of town and was only correct on like 1 or 2 scum reads b/c they voted her. Ditto Fonz

It’s not a comment on how good you are Nero. It’s a comment on your playstyle
I’ve never once called you a bad player. You’re a tunneler. I just accept that fact when I see your name on the list and try not to get bothered by it

[Nero Cain]

Nero is shoving words into my mouth, not the other way around.

you're the one that's claiming that 6046 was all about gobble when it wasn't. How is that NOT putting words in my mouth or being a revisionist and putting a spin on my post?

[OkaPoka]

actually the fact that nero can easily verify if i indeed am recyling arguments but isn't doing it, even though he has proclaimed he isn't entire sure about it, and he is kinda just generating his solve from there i think just means its a50/flavor/nero + pisskop/alch or something

[OkaPoka]

like there is town laziness which is more apathetic and going with the flow and then there is purposefully misguided detective work, even if i did recycle arguments, nero could just post that in thread instead idk whatever this is

[OkaPoka]

+nero is missing the point of lynching infected/group scum, like there is a very good reason to lynch confirmed infected right now and he isn't bringing up because i doubt he is town and thought about the primary reason why we would lynch infected, instead he is just saying lynch confirmed scum, when the argument against it clearly is that infected don't infect, only og group scum which is why people weren't lynching piss